DID YOU happen to catch the ABC News Primetime hit piece on Prussian
Blue, the musical group consisting of two White girls who sing about
White solidarity, White history, and White preservation?

After watching this latest offering of a dying TV network (ABC) it
was clear to me what the hypocrites and slanderers of the media are
after: White is bad; non-White is good.

But apparently it’s okay for a psychotic Black "intellectual" with
graying dreadlocks to get on C-SPAN and tell the world Blacks need
to exterminate Whites in order to survive. Did you catch that?

Here is what C-SPAN’s Web site says about the program:


'Black Media in America -- On the eve of the Million Man March
10th anniversary, activist and radio personality Joe Madison joins a
forum on the image of Blacks in American media. Black writers and
media professionals discuss coverage of race during Hurricane
Katrina. The event takes place at the Howard Univ. Law School in
Washington, DC.'


(By the way, Howard University Law School is a Black school,
explicitly and openly for Blacks, who make up almost all of its
students.) One guest speaker in particular, the African-garbed Dr.
Kamau Kambon said “And the one idea is, how we are going to
exterminate White people because that in my estimation is the only
conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate White people off
the face of the planet to solve the problem.”
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6642 ]

Can you possibly imagine yourself standing in front of national
audience and proclaiming the need for White people to exterminate
Blacks or Mestizos? I believe you'd have a SWAT team paying you a
visit; don't you?
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6638 ]
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6571 ]

Comparing the viciously negative coverage of Prussian Blue -- and
the coverage was so negative that they ended up receiving a number
of emailed death threats sent to their Web site -- to the mild media
reaction to the C-Span hate fest, I can see we need to ask:

Where was Cynthia McFadden on this one? Where was the slavish
purveyor of political correctness who was "horrified" by two
13-year-old girls who sing about White values and White solidarity?
These little girls don't call for extermination, death and chaos --
but Kambon sure does. So where's McFadden? Why were there not any
White public officials standing up and condemning this outrage, this
calling for the extermination of White people? Where were the
Republicans and Democrats, who never miss an opportunity to condemn
even the slightest ripple of White advocacy?

You can be sure many of our White kinsmen were shocked by the
slanted presentation of Prussian Blue on ABC. And that was the whole
point: to instill self-hate and squash even the slightest inkling of
White pride.
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6731 ]
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6724 ]
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6597 ]
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6204 ]

White pride? -- to even consider such a thing is redolent of
lynchings, bloodbaths and death, they say. Better to keep your mouth
shut. Better to continue watching your Black basketball games --
better to keep on listening to gangster rap -- better to keep
watching downloadable pornography produced in Israel -- than to be
concerned with the education, preservation and welfare of your own
people, your own race.

No, do not consider the fact that White people are little more than
10% of the world’s population, that we will be a minority in the
U.S. by the year 2050 as projected by several census findings, that
thousands upon thousands of Mestizos flood across the borders each
day with too little too late being done to stop it.

In April 1998 Dr. William Luther Pierce, who was also mentioned in
the ABC hatefest, said the following in regard to the effect the
media have on our people:


'After we let the control of public policy slip out of the
hands of our people and into the hands of the media bosses, we began
feeling impotent; we began feeling that we no longer had control
over our lives or the lives of our children. And so we just sat back
and became spectators. We let events take their course. We let the
television raise our children and teach them their values....

'What this tells us is that if we really want to regain control
of our lives again, regain control of our society and our
civilization, we must first regain control of our mass media. As
long as the media of news and entertainment remain in the hands of
the people who control them now, most White Americans will continue
to be confused and misled. …' -- "Judicial Insanity and Schoolyard
Massacres"
[ http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6075 ]


Ladies and gentlemen, White apathy is the only reason the media can
get away with this garbage. When you have had enough television
propaganda, when you have had enough "diversity," when you have had
enough browbeating and guilt-tripping, let us know. If my comparison
the media's treatment of Prussian Blue with their treatment of the
anti-White hatefest on C-SPAN leaves you ready to do something
meaningful, we’ll be standing by here at NationalVanguard.org.
[ http://revilo-oliver.com/nvdonations.htm ]

Kind of a repost... Weve already had excessive debates about both as they came up at the same time. Let me save you some time:

Liberals: Obviously if these young white girls are raised to be racist, by parents who support the views of Hitler, that says something about the potential for the eventual deregulation of civil rights, if children can be raised to believe this. The guy on C-Span was some wackjob that no one cares about.

Conservatives: Clearly blacks hold a mentality of violence towards whites as examplified by this mans example. If a man like this can get on primetime and shout down whites and praise blacks without any criticism, then what does that say about the actual mentality of black persons to begin with? Those girls are just singing songs, not preaching genocide.

Sorry, I did not realize you guys had already exhausted this topic. Still I think those little girls got a raw deal.

It's good to see young racially aware singers. Many white people have no role models but thats changing now.

Sorry, I did not realize you guys had already exhausted this topic. Still I think those little girls got a raw deal. maybe you didnt see the pic where they wear hitler shirts.

It's good to see young racially aware singers. Many white people have no role models but thats changing now.
Are you Irish? I must state that most Irish people aren't White Supremacists. These girls role models? Don't make me laugh.

Sorry, I did not realize you guys had already exhausted this topic. Still I think those little girls got a raw deal.
No raw deal, they are talentless young bigots.

I disagree. I heard a song they covered called "gone with the Breeze" about Robert Matthews and it really moved me. I think it was on their website.

Are you Irish? I must state that most Irish people aren't White Supremacists.
Ya I'm Irish. I'd prefer to call myself a white nationalist (like most irish people)! ;)

Most Irish people are not White nationalists. Please do not lie to spread your abhorrent and irrational agenda.

Your racist drivel is not welcome here.

I guess oyu idnt miss the hitler shirts but just dont mind. you honestly dont get the negative reaction to these nazi loving racist children who have been brainwashed by tehir parents to hate everything non-white? pretty pathetic.

I wasn't aware culture in the west could easily be divided into white and black.
Thanks for informing me. I'll go get that swastika tatoo now......

I wasn't aware culture in the west could easily be divided into white and black.
Thanks for informing me. I'll go get that swastika tatoo now......

You know that's right,I don't think about it much but the line of demarcation is fuzzier all the time. Most of the blacks I wait on don't even talk Ebonics and I see more and more people of ambiguous race.
What are they supposed to do? Why are we always whining about how hard the white people have it?

I disagree. I heard a song they covered called "gone with the Breeze" about Robert Matthews and it really moved me. I think it was on their website.You have got to be kidding. They suck! I mean, they have zero talent...period. The recordings I heard were muddled I couldn't even understand the lyrics. There was no harmony either. The only reason these girls got any attention at all is because of the shock value of what they're doing.

Many white people have no role models

:rofl:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day

No raw deal, they are talentless young bigots

Myrddin,

Are you talking about these two young girls ?

Or are you talking about the entire gangsta-rap music scene ?

Myrddin,

Are you talking about these two young girls ?

Or are you talking about the entire gangsta-rap music scene ?
Clearly he meant the gangsta-rap music scene since the discussion was about two young nazi-sympathizing girls and gansta-rap hadn't even mentioned in the thread. Duh.

Ya I'm Irish. I'd prefer to call myself a white nationalist (like most irish people)! ;) :mad:
The vast majority of Irish people are not white nationalists. I am sure some people who were dropped on their heads at birth may have these ideas but most people have more sense than that.
You are displaying a link to a Irish Republican/Nationalist site; you are aware of coarse that the IRA back in the 1930's was opposed to the fascist Blue-Shirts and actually helped some Jewish people in Ireland (I think one of the ex-Lord Mayors of Cork was one). You cannot suggest you are a republican and be a WN at the same time, unless you belong to some new category.

Myrddin,

Are you talking about these two young girls ?

Or are you talking about the entire gangsta-rap music scene ?
I could say that about both, though at least these girls aren't giving themselves insulting labels like "*****".

Clearly he meant the gangsta-rap music scene since the discussion was about two young nazi-sympathizing girls and gansta-rap hadn't even mentioned in the thread. Duh.

Igofast,

Why don't you let myrddin speak for himself (or herself) ?

After all, you have about as much idea what myrddin's opinion is as I do.

I could say that about both, though at least these girls aren't giving themselves insulting labels like "*****".

Myrddin thank you for clarifying that.

Igofast, eat your heart out you Amazing-Kreskin wannabe. Your telepathic abilities leave much to be desired.

I must add though these girls are evoking a connection to a much darker history (in the form of the Nazi's) than black rappers.

I must add though these girls are evoking a connection to a much darker history (in the form of the Nazi's) than black rappers.


I'm not so sure ...

The nazis openly called for the extermination of the Jews.

The gangsta-rappers openly call for the extermination of whites.

I honestly don't see how one group is substantially better than the other.

You are displaying a link to a Irish Republican/Nationalist site; you are aware of coarse that the IRA back in the 1930's was opposed to the fascist Blue-Shirts and actually helped some Jewish people in Ireland (I think one of the ex-Lord Mayors of Cork was one). You cannot suggest you are a republican and be a WN at the same time, unless you belong to some new category.
Whats your point? Now the IRA are a crime empire. Do you think I worship the IRA?

There were a group of Jews that got kicked out of Limerick at the turn of the last century. :nice:

Igofast,

Why don't you let myrddin speak for himself (or herself) ?

After all, you have about as much idea what myrddin's opinion is as I do.

Myrddin thank you for clarifying that.

Igofast, eat your heart out you Amazing-Kreskin wannabe. Your telepathic abilities leave much to be desired.
Dude, I didn't say anything about Myrddin's opinion about rappers, I pointed out that your question was a non-sequitor with the sole purpose of talking **** about a group of people that weren't in the discussion in the first place. It was more than obvious who Myrddin was talking about. It doesn't take a mind reader to comprehend simple rules of communication; my telepathic abilities (of which I have none) had nothing to do with this.

Most Irish people are not White nationalists. Please do not lie to spread your abhorrent and irrational agenda.

I wouldn't know because I've only lived here (in Ireland) all my life :rolleyes:

Whats your point? Now the IRA are a crime empire. Do you think I worship the IRA?
I am referring to the Old IRA, not to the quasi-criminal organisation that IRA is now. You worship something far worse, the idea that skin color indicates superiority.


There were a group of Jews that got kicked out of Limerick at the turn of the last century. :nice: True, I am ashamed to say. All because of a mob whipped up by a Jew hating Catholic priest. There are bigots in all types of uniforms, including priest’s vestments.

I'm not so sure ...

The nazis openly called for the extermination of the Jews.

The gangsta-rappers openly call for the extermination of whites.

I honestly don't see how one group is substantially better than the other.
The rappers are not walking around with pictures of Hitler on their clothes. Rappers can be racist, but far-right neo-Nazi's invoke a man and ideology which killed millions of people and reduced a continent to rubble. What they represent is whole other level of hate beyond what rappers represent.

gansta rappers are not per definition racist. in fact, you may be able to find a few who are, and then generalise by saying they all are.

So what if rappers are racist. The blacks (like the whites) have a right to preserve their own race. It dosn't mean they should hate whites but thats another issue.

McKay, if most of the Irish are white nationalist, then I am glad that I have only met those who do not possess absurd and delusional inferiority complexes and seek to remedy them through irrational and ignorant scapegoating.

McKay, if most of the Irish are white nationalist, then I am glad that I have only met those who do not possess absurd and delusional inferiority complexes and seek to remedy them through irrational and ignorant scapegoating.
Inferiority complex? :D I treat everybody equal and with manners, from famous people to the milkman. I don't know why you think I have any sort of complex.

Could you explain where I've been ignorant and scapegoating? Your the ignorant one it seems.

So what if rappers are racist. The blacks (like the whites) have a right to preserve their own race. It dosn't mean they should hate whites but thats another issue.

Problem with your logic, MacKay, is that there are plenty of people who are denying that white people have a right to preserve their own race. But they are encouraging other ethnic groups to do that.

What they're denying is not that white people have a right to preserve their own race, but rather that there's any legitimate threat to the preservation of white people as a race, or that the white nationalist agenda actually has anything genuinely to do with preserving them as such.

The rappers are not walking around with pictures of Hitler on their clothes. Rappers can be racist, but far-right neo-Nazi's invoke a man and ideology which killed millions of people and reduced a continent to rubble. What they represent is whole other level of hate beyond what rappers represent.Rap is hatred unlike anyother, extolling the virtues of specifically raping white b******* and killing white cops. Besides, why not say anything about the Marxist Malcom X who's ideologies killed TEN TIMES the amount of people in our history? Your typical liberal hypocracy in defending the darkies at all costs is more apparent than ever.

What they're denying is not that white people have a right to preserve their own race, but rather that there's any legitimate threat to the preservation of white people as a race, or that the white nationalist agenda actually has anything genuinely to do with preserving them as such.As long as you dictate who has what agenda, who needs to argue??? :)

Rap is hatred unlike anyother, extolling the virtues of specifically raping white b******* and killing white cops.

Now now thumper, we had this discussion: Eddie Murphy is a satirist, making fun of people like you. Please dont take him seriously, as it is more sadly representative of your knowledge about anything then humerous when you do so.

Besides, why not say anything about the Marxist Malcom X who's ideologies killed TEN TIMES the amount of people in our history?

1st--I know you know nothing about Malcolm X, so please dont act like you do.

2nd--Please explain how his 'marxist idealogies' killed ten times the amount of people 'in our history'(whatever history your talking about, and our).

Your typical liberal hypocracy in defending the darkies at all costs is more apparent than ever.

Your lack of knowledge about everything makes your rambling posts impossible to understand.

Now now thumper, we had this discussion: Eddie Murphy is a satirist, making fun of people like you. Please dont take him seriously, as it is more sadly representative of your knowledge about anything then humerous when you do so.Actually try NWA, the group that first brought gangster rap into the mainstream.

1st--I know you know nothing about Malcolm X, so please dont act like you do.

2nd--Please explain how his 'marxist idealogies' killed ten times the amount of people 'in our history'(whatever history your talking about, and our).

Your lack of knowledge about everything makes your rambling posts impossible to understand.Please bring something more to the table besides this. It might have been cute in the beginning, but don't tell me you honestly believe someone like Hitler was the greatest mass murderer of all time.

But assuming you're not playing stupid, I suggest you read the following:

Gulag Archipeligo and maybe a little history on Stalin

The biography of Mao by Jung Chang

And any other book you can get your hands on about communism.

Hey, Thumper, I love NWA. Sucks that your racist worldview has blinded you to the wonders of rap. What about Sage Francis or Ill Bill or Cage or Necro? I mean, damn, they're white, and they still rap about nasty, nasty things. Especially Necro, haha.

And what about violent 'white' music? Ever read any metal or hardcore lyrics? Just listening to Freddy Cricien from Madball yelling for more cocaine right now...

Black artists don't have a monopoly on rap, and rap doesn't have a monopoly on hatred, negativity, violence and terror. ****, at the concerts I go to, a wild fist to the face isn't considered out of line...I've never seen hiphop kids breaking each others bones at shows for fun. [They do it for keeps on the street outside, sometimes with hammers]

McKay: Then would you please explain the grounds for your utterly irrational racist and racialist ideology? I can see no other reason why anyone would adopt such a view except to address their own self-perceived inferiority...

Actually try NWA, the group that first brought gangster rap into the mainstream.



Somebody was watching channel 11 last night...
:p

Hey, Thumper, I love NWA. Sucks that your racist worldview has blinded you to the wonders of rap. What about Sage Francis or Ill Bill or Cage or Necro? I mean, damn, they're white, and they still rap about nasty, nasty things. Especially Necro, haha.

And what about violent 'white' music? Ever read any metal or hardcore lyrics? Just listening to Freddy Cricien from Madball yelling for more cocaine right now...

Black artists don't have a monopoly on rap, and rap doesn't have a monopoly on hatred, negativity, violence and terror. ****, at the concerts I go to, a wild fist to the face isn't considered out of line...I've never seen hiphop kids breaking each others bones at shows for fun. [They do it for keeps on the street outside, sometimes with hammers]I personally couldn't care less if rap stars get rich off writing about gang raping your mother, and how you'll facilitate that by buying their albums, and yet it still escapes you the hypocrisy of denouncing the 'hateful' Prussian Blue group..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/flavorflav.jpg

that makes sense

Actually try NWA, the group that first brought gangster rap into the mainstream.

No. The lyrics you posted were Eddie Murphy. Iv never seen you actually have any knowledge of rappers that rap about killing white people.


Please bring something more to the table besides this. It might have been cute in the beginning, but don't tell me you honestly believe someone like Hitler was the greatest mass murderer of all time.



But assuming you're not playing stupid, I suggest you read the following:

Gulag Archipeligo and maybe a little history on Stalin

The biography of Mao by Jung Chang

And any other book you can get your hands on about communism.

Oh, I know far more about Communism then you, thank you. My question was regarding Malcolm Little. The fact that you cant differentiate between his views and those of Stalin and Marx are pretty telling of your knowledge in this matter.

By the way, regarding your consistent posting of black people acting odd--I could easily begin posting thousands of pictures of white trash rednecks, and ridiculuse looking whites, but lets instead consider this:

http://www.shamanism.co.uk/images/nelson-1.jpg

http://ordoesit.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mlk.jpg

http://www.michaeljordan.pl/nagrody/9.jpg

http://www.carlcoxphoto.com/images/carlcox_1_p.JPG

No. The lyrics you posted were Eddie Murphy. Iv never seen you actually have any knowledge of rappers that rap about killing white people.Granted I don't regularily listen to grown men grab at their balls, grunt, talk about f****** anything on two legs, gangbanging, drug dealing, or just simply killing, here's what a simple google search turns up.

[Chorus:]
**** the police! ****, ****, **** the police!
[**** them mother****ers!]
****, ****, **** the police!
[Get paid back] You're mother****ing right, yo

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/n/nwalyrics/saprizepart2****thepolicepart2lyrics.html


Oh, I know far more about Communism then you, thank you. My question was regarding Malcolm Little. The fact that you cant differentiate between his views and those of Stalin and Marx are pretty telling of your knowledge in this matter. :bowrofl:

The fact that you don't realize that most of your civil rights 'heroes' were communist backed makes this even more tragic, but since I have a sense of humour, let's just say funny.

By the way, regarding your consistent posting of black people acting odd--I could easily begin posting thousands of pictures of white trash rednecks, and ridiculuse looking whites, but lets instead consider this:

http://www.shamanism.co.uk/images/nelson-1.jpg

http://ordoesit.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mlk.jpg

http://www.michaeljordan.pl/nagrody/9.jpg

http://www.carlcoxphoto.com/images/carlcox_1_p.JPGyou have a talent for consistently missing the point, don't you? :|

I personally couldn't care less if rap stars get rich off writing about gang raping your mother, and how you'll facilitate that by buying their albums, and yet it still escapes you the hypocrisy of denouncing the 'hateful' Prussian Blue group..

that makes sense

So, did you completely ignore my post, or just ignore most of it?

I'm currently listening to some white dudes from Boston in a band called Cheech sing about getting violent. I think I might blast some PC Deathsquad later. Or Anal ****.

Rap is not unique in being offensive, violent or aggressive. Moreover, rap is not a solely "black" style of music. Necro or Sabac is lyrically nastier, more evil and more ****ed up than any black rapper I can think of. In my experience, however, most rap and hiphop kids do not promote racial violence. Their lyrics may promote less than savoury elements of life, but so do a lot of lyrics.

What is it - aside from your own absurd racist views - that makes hiphop lyrics so much worse than, say, goregrind?

What makes bands like Prussian Blue so hatefull in my eyes is that they advocate an ideology which I loathe and detest and which I believe has no place on this world. Moreover, they are apologists for a disgusting regime which imprisoned my grand-father for five years, slit his wrists, and killed every member of his unit but two...

Oh, and they're just tiny kids who've been brainwashed by redneck parents.

[Chorus:]
**** the police! ****, ****, **** the police!
[**** them mother****ers!]
****, ****, **** the police!
[Get paid back] You're mother****ing right, yo

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/n/nwalyrics/saprizepart2****thepolicepart2lyrics.html


Um, so what? How is this advocating racial war?

****, white guys singing about hating cops...

Here in NZ, there's Evil Priest:

Power trippin fools
Two sets of rules
Words can't describe
How much we hate yous
Stupid pig ****o
With your stupid pig friends
Hanging from a rope
Is where the stupid pig ends
Yous pigs scums
We ****ing hate you
Die die die
By my hand
I creep across the land
Killing the man

Then there's Sepultura's rewrite of their old song Antichrist into Anticop, Doom's Police Bastard, Oi Polloi, half the Exploited's damn songs..

Granted I don't regularily listen to grown men grab at their balls, grunt, talk about f****** anything on two legs, gangbanging, drug dealing, or just simply killing, here's what a simple google search turns up.

It would be far to easy for me to refute this with white musicians who are just as, if not more violent. So instead, I'll take the same path as I did earlier:


You are the sunshine of my life
That’s why I’ll always be around,
You are the apple of my eye,
Forever you’ll stay in my heart

I feel like this is the beginning,
Though I’ve loved you for a million years,
And if I thought our love was ending,
I’d find myself drowning in my own tears.

You are the sunshine of my life,
That’s why I’ll always stay around,
You are the apple of my eye,
Forever you’ll stay in my heart,

You must have known that I was lonely,
Because you came to my rescue,
And I know that this must be heaven,
How could so much love be inside of you?

You are the sunshine of my life, yeah,
That’s why I’ll always stay around,
You are the apple of my eye,
Forever you’ll stay in my heart.

(background) love has joined us,
Love has joined us,
Let’s think sweet love.


http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/stevie-wonder/131929.html


I think we can all agree what proof of the terrible blacks are capable of. Surely they are animals.

The fact that you don't realize that most of your civil rights 'heroes' were communist backed makes this even more tragic, but since I have a sense of humour, let's just say funny.

What in gods name are you talking about. Yea, MLK was one hell of a dirty commie. And the fact that you cant draw the simplist line between the views of Malcolm Little and Stalinist views proof you just dont grasp the broad scope of political philosiphy, and how theres more to it then pure capitalism and pure communism.

Hitler was communist backed by Thimple's standards. He had secret treaties with Stalin, and trained his air force and armor units in the Soviet Union. He even divided Poland with his buddy. LOL

I guess the Phora shut down and the dregs need some place to post, or else jack-boot recruited some of the chuckleheaded morons at his place to come over.

So what if rappers are racist. The blacks (like the whites) have a right to preserve their own race. It dosn't mean they should hate whites but thats another issue.

That is exactly the point, Prussian Blue (http://www.prussianblue.net/) sing about White Pride, White History (http://www.white-history.com/), White Culture & White Preservation, this is the alternative...


Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white
people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"; "Kill d'White People";
--Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"*****s in the church say: kill whitey all night long. .
. the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are
soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this
white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . .
Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm
crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill
whitey all night long. . . . a ***** dumping on your white ass; ****
this rap ****, *****, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to
the mother****ing ground"; "Kill Whitey"; --Menace Clan, Da Hood,
1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was
called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Devils fear this brand new ****. . . . I bleed them
next time I see them. . . . I prey on these devils. . . . look what
it has come to; who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing. . . .
filling his body up with lead, yah; cracker in my way; slitting, slit
his throat; watch his body shake; watch his body shake; that's how we
do it in the mother****ing [San Francisco] Bay. . . . Sitting on the
dock of the dirty with my AK"; "Heat-featuring Jet and Spice1"; --
Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.

"These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of
holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad mother****ing daylight; 12
o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night"; "Sweatin Bullets"; --
Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment,
Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"A fight, a fight, a ****** and a white, if the ******
don't win then we all jump in. . . . smoking all [of] America's white
boys"; --"A Fight"; Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music,
Time Warner, USA.

"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all
nightey long. . . .I stabbed a ****ing Jew with a steeple. . . . I
would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the **** of it. . . .
Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that
devil slipping; blow his ****ing brains out"; "**** a Record Deal";
-- Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records,
subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United
Kingdom.

"Now I'm black but black people trip 'cause white people
like me; white people like me I but don't like them. . . . I don't
hate whites, I just gotta death wish for mother****ers that ain't
right"; --"Race War"; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records,
Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while
I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers
hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world;
my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . .
see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical
specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like
mud. . . . I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks"; --"Blood
for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"This will all be over in '99, so, *****s, give devils
the crime; gonna be more devils dying"; --"No Surrender"; Bone Thugs-
N-Harmony, Creepin on ah Come Up, 1994, Ruthless Records, Epic
Records, Sony Music Entertainment, Sony, Japan.

"Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all
dead. . . . my brother is sending me more guns from down South. . . .
pale face. . . . it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing
up our situation. . . . you be ****ing with my turf when you be
****ing with my race; now face your maker and take your last breath;
the time is half-past death. . . . it's the Armageddon. . . . go into
the garage; find that old camouflage. . . . cracker-shooting
nightly"; --"What the ****"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything,
1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"Like my *****s from South Central Los Angeles they
found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad,
with the Essays up, and *****, it's time to rob and mob and break the
white man off something lovely"; --"The Day the *****z Took Over"; Dr
Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in
1993.

"He preys on old white ladies [who] drive the Mercedes
with the windows cracked. . . . you should've heard the bitch
screaming. . . . sticking guns in crackers' mouths. . . . the cops
can't stop it. . . . remember 4-29-92, come on; Florence and Normandy
coming to a corner near you, cracker; we've been through your area,
mass hysteria; led by your mother****ing Menace Clan"; --"Mad *****";
Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records,
Time Warner, USA.

By the way, regarding your consistent posting of black people acting odd--I could easily begin posting thousands of pictures of white trash rednecks, and ridiculuse looking whites, but lets instead consider this:

http://www.shamanism.co.uk/images/nelson-1.jpg

http://ordoesit.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mlk.jpg

http://www.michaeljordan.pl/nagrody/9.jpg

http://www.carlcoxphoto.com/images/carlcox_1_p.JPG

What is this post supposed to say...

You post a picture of a terrorist and a plagarist adulterer?

Great role models.
:nice:

A. You have no idea what rap is, nor do you have any idea how many white groups say things just as vile.

B. The fact that you just mocked those 4 amazing men sickens me. Your racist nature is what will eventually damn mankind. Your need for superiority no matter what, even if it can only be based on skin color, is what drives this world into the sick depths it reaches.

A. You have no idea what rap is, nor do you have any idea how many white groups say things just as vile.

B. The fact that you just mocked those 4 amazing men sickens me. Your racist nature is what will eventually damn mankind. Your need for superiority no matter what, even if it can only be based on skin color, is what drives this world into the sick depths it reaches.

A) I know very well what rap is...I used to be bit of a wigger myself before I realised what a prat I was being.

What do white groups say that are as bad as those anti white racist lyrics above from your idols?

B) I didn't mock 4 amazing men, I told the truth about 2 of them.

Nelson Mandela is a terrorist, while MLK was a plagarist adulterer.

Fact.

Oh and here's the latest line of anti white lyrics from the likes of 50 cent, jay z imortal technique dead prez etc..

U see we all want peace/
but the problem is crackas want a bigger piece/
make it so the *****z cant get a piece/ -dead prez

don't see only god can judge me, 'cause I see things clear
Quick these crackers will give my black ass a hundred years - 50 Cent - Many Men

"I'll be damned if I work for some white cracker." - Camron

"...damn I gotta brag, or these crackers gonna think that I ain't on their ass."- Jay-Z

"...could never be bought, so I don't flip when these crackers wave checks in my face." -Jadakiss

"they kidnapped us and trapped us in cracker psychiatric." - NAS

"Them crackers will give your ass 30 yrs." -T.I.

"Crackers in the mountains got me cuttin my braids..." -Beanie Sigel

I shoot up cracker and stab Mexicans- Bun B

Using me as a scapegoat, well cracker don’t sleep
Far from a goat, more like a black sheep - CUBE

....Im bout to milk these Crackers for all they're milk and Crackers! - Juelz Santana

'CRACKER ASS CRACKER' -Lamar Tate

Now I change my style up, my style up,bodies pile up
just to trouble you, throwin out the W
sent me a subpoena
cause I kill more CRACKAS then Bosnia, Herze - govina
each and every day out a siz-tre Chevrolet
with the heavy A to the mutha****in K
now you treat me like a germ
cause your scared of the su - per sperm
please don't bust til you see, the whites of his eyes
the whites of his skin, the whites of his lies
nappy head ***** with the bone in his nose
ya scared I'ma put this bone in your hoes.
- Ice Cube - Enemy

"i'm the cracka jacka..."-d.o.c.

"the cracka slapper, the heat packer..."-david banner

dress sloppy but my raps is dapper
watched Rosewood, almost had to smack a cracker - Sean Price

u can thank the crackers for blessin me with a 100 mill for keepin a tight flow (its craaaaaaack )- fat joe

"You're faker than blue eyed crackers nailed to a crucifix" -Immortal Technique

A) I know very well what rap is...I used to be bit of a wigger myself before I realised what a prat I was being.

What do white groups say that are as bad as those anti white racist lyrics above from your idols?

I loath rap music and the cash in's who now make it. Im a fan of hip-hop though. And if you want to know, take a gander at some lyrics posted by Joey. You can find as many examples for whites as blacks.


Nelson Mandela is a terrorist,

.... Mandela has won the two highest civilian medals in the United States. He has won the noble peace prize. He has won over 400 medals, from dozens and dozens of countrys. He holds more honorary positions in the US, and the rest of the world then any other man who has ever lived. He is easily one of, if not the, most respected men of our time.




while MLK was a plagarist adulterer.

And the acadmies made no move to revoke Kings scholarship, as he had greatly improved and elaborated on the works he borrowed from, as all great scholars do. Thomas Jefferson was a heavy plagerizer and adulterer (along with many, many of our founding fathers regarding adultery). I suppose you strongly dislike him as well, and consider his contributions to mankind not.

The popular white band, Dying Fetus.

Dying Fetus--

Song 1
**** these corporations and their ****ing record stores
I don't want my ****ing paycheck feeding money *****s
these ****ers flood the market with their fabricated ****
and laugh as this pathetic ****ing music gets them rich
stay the **** right out of my life
I don't need your ****ing advice
you don't even know what our **** is all about
so don't even try to figure it out
**** your Spice Girls and your ****ing Pearl Jam
it's all a bunch of ****, I say **** it
**** your Dave Matthews and your ****ing REM
you god-damned bitch, ****ing clueless
KILL YOUR MOTHER AND RAPE YOUR DOG

Song 2
Dead, he's dead, that mother ****er's dead,
Don't let me see the ****er's face again,
Mad, as ****, these ****ers gotta die,
It's time to send them back to where they came
****, and ****, spreadin' all their ****,
Without a ****ing thought inside their head,
Kill, and kill, give it to them hard,
See how much they're ****ing when their dead

The white rock band, Cannibal Corpse

Song 1
Lying there cold after a torturous death
Your life ended fast you took your last breath
Dead in a grave, your final place
The maggots infest your disfigured face
Puss through your veins takes the place of
blood
Decay sets in, bones begin to crack
Thrown six feet down left to rot
Brains oozing black down the side of your
broken neck

Song 2 ( I think youll really like this)
Walking down the street, the smell of death in
the air
What a rotting stench
My imagination runs wild at what it could be
Open up the can to discover a dead body

Or what was left of one, pieces in a bag
Blood is everywhere what a retched sight
Cut up really small by a razor sharp knife
Lying in the garbage no one else knows
What I have found, what should I do
Take it to the police or make it into stew
This was an evil committed by the insane
Looking down laughing, I am the same

The sight of death drives me nuts, I must kill,
to control my brain
Swept away by my lust to cause pain,
mutalation is my only want
The evil inside me gives me the strength to kill
at will
My life is the means to cause death in the most
sinister way

I see it in your eyes the fear that keeps me alive
I'll take it away, your life will end today
I'll leave you to rot, what a sick odor
Scream all you want, but you can't stop this
horror

Tasting your life as I drink your blood
Ripping out your insides, chewing on your
spleen
Dead or living flesh is what I crave
I'll kill someone or eat from a grave

Song 3

Walk away, into the dark
Come my way, terror
I am the evil within each soul
I take the spirits of those I kill

Murdered

Decomposition, the body rots
Rotting, rotting body parts
I killed the first
To experiment

I don't want to hurt you
I just want to kill you

Torture, I start to cut
Carving, blood slowly clots
Horrors, mutilations
Homicidal experimentation

I set the dead on fire
to decay in flame
Homicidal desire

More are marked for murder
More victims to capture

Butchered

Bodies hang dead
Drained of all their blood
Pieces sewn on backwards
Necks with no heads
Mutilated, dead

Homicidal desire
more are marked for murder
More victims to butcher

www.songmeanings.net

Rap is hatred unlike anyother, extolling the virtues of specifically raping white b******* and killing white cops.
I know a few things for certain, they swear a lot, only about 5% of them have real musical talent and I change the radio station anytime I am unlucky enough to hear one of their "songs".


Besides, why not say anything about the Marxist Malcom X who's ideologies killed TEN TIMES the amount of people in our history?
Malcom X was a radical, but I am really not sure I would call him a Marxist. Stalinism was the real killer, and the variations that Mao followed and that lunatic in N. Korea follows.


Your typical liberal hypocracy in defending the darkies at all costs is more apparent than ever. I am not defending darkies, I am saying Hitler was responsible for much suffering, and these young white racists are displaying him as a badge of pride.

Oh and here's the latest line of anti white lyrics from the likes of 50 cent, jay z imortal technique dead prez etc..

U see we all want peace/
but the problem is crackas want a bigger piece/
make it so the *****z cant get a piece/ -dead prez

don't see only god can judge me, 'cause I see things clear
Quick these crackers will give my black ass a hundred years - 50 Cent - Many Men

"I'll be damned if I work for some white cracker." - Camron
etc...
etc...
etc...

http://members.at.infoseek.co.jp/ball_park/crackerjack.JPG

And the acadmies made no move to revoke Kings scholarship, as he had greatly improved and elaborated on the works he borrowed from, as all great scholars do. Thomas Jefferson was a heavy plagerizer and adulterer (along with many, many of our founding fathers regarding adultery). I suppose you strongly dislike him as well, and consider his contributions to mankind not.
He also fathered some kids with his black maid.

so whats the point of all this? some people are racist, some rappers are too.
and this girly band definetly is too.
trumpy do you really think that showing black racists is going to make the racism of PB any better? it isnt, ofcourse. the fact that iyou defend it is only showing that you are not bothered by little girls that wear nazi shirts. how can you even complaint about black racism then?

so whats the point of all this? some people are racist, some rappers are too.
and this girly band definetly is too.
trumpy do you really think that showing black racists is going to make the racism of PB any better? it isnt, ofcourse. the fact that iyou defend it is only showing that you are not bothered by little girls that wear nazi shirts. how can you even complaint about black racism then?You're getting half the point, oki. :)

Liberals have a strange habit of fighting for 'women's rights' and then defending Islamic Fundies, their mass immigration, and their drive towards Shari'a law. Likewise, they scream bloody murder about Prussian Blue when you have had gangster rap for over a decade. It's a contradiction from the word go, and the likes of SwiftSloth and JoeyNormal, with the eloquence of drunk swallowing his own puke, confirm this with every post. I wish they would just come out and say that they are mindlessly against the 'white establishment' no matter what the reason.

As I said earlier, I really couldn't care less about the glorification of thug life, and how self-hating surbuban white kids will lap it up. I do care however, when liberals suddenly claim a monopoly on who gets to be offended or not, and say that rap music advocating the killing of white people is okay, but Prussian Blue is not.

Since you probably don't get cable in your mental fantasy world, Thump, you probably missed the decade of outrage & complaints about gangsta rap, including among Dems like Tipper Gore.

Now Prussian Blue is getting the negative attention they equally deserve, & far more because they target kids.

I don't understand a few things here... :confused:

1. How come their nazi, child-abusing parents are not sitting in jail, and how can they still have the legal right to raise them?

2. Even if I couldn't understand any of the words, how can anybody (even people with a worse music taste than Snouter :p ) possibly listen to this sh!t...sounds like 6 years old kids singing wayyyyy out of tune while playing 3 chords very badly without rhythm...their music is almost as offensive as their lyrics, lol...being a pro-musician, I can definately tell everybody here that these girls have absolutely no talent, and I mean NO TALENT!!

3. I'm not a huge Rap fan either, but I don't know any rapper since Public Enemy who I would call racists. Even when they write songs that speaks bad of some white people, they don't talk about ALL whites, they don't want to kick out all white people out of this country, make laws against them, or claim that they are genetically superior to all whites. Also, I have yet to find a Rapper who speaks against interracial relationships. In fact, many rappers date white women too :D

4. Say what you want about Rap, but Ice T, Snoop Dog, N-B.I.G., Tupac and some others ARE very talented with writing words and it's NOT easy to do what they do/did.

5. Nazis that are over the age of 18 should be able to sing and say what they want. However, these girls are younger than my little sister. It doesn't matter what you believe in...how can one not be disguisted that children that young are exposed to so much hate?

6. Who the f#ck even buys their albums, lol?

Since you probably don't get cable in your mental fantasy world, Thump, you probably missed the decade of outrage & complaints about gangsta rap, including among Dems like Tipper Gore.

Oh yeah, and one more question:

Where the f#ck is Tipper Wh0re and her evil organization from the 1980's when it comes to screaming about censoring this (arguably both lyrically and musically offensive) sh!t, or does her censorsh!t only applies to African-Americans and white people with long hair who play music that was invented by African-Americans?
And since minorities like to play the "black card" so much, or so I was told, where are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to point out such a hypocrisy?

Since you probably don't get cable in your mental fantasy world, Thump, you probably missed the decade of outrage & complaints about gangsta rap, including among Dems like Tipper Gore.

Now Prussian Blue is getting the negative attention they equally deserve, & far more because they target kids.how about we just live and let live :)

I don't understand a few things here... :confused:

1. How come their nazi, child-abusing parents are not sitting in jail, and how can they still have the legal right to raise them?

2. Even if I couldn't understand any of the words, how can anybody (even people with a worse music taste than Snouter :p ) possibly listen to this sh!t...sounds like 6 years old kids singing wayyyyy out of tune while playing 3 chords very badly without rhythm...their music is almost as offensive as their lyrics, lol...being a pro-musician, I can definately tell everybody here that these girls have absolutely no talent, and I mean NO TALENT!!

3. I'm not a huge Rap fan either, but I don't know any rapper since Public Enemy who I would call racists. Even when they write songs that speaks bad of some white people, they don't talk about ALL whites, they don't want to kick out all white people out of this country, make laws against them, or claim that they are genetically superior to all whites. Also, I have yet to find a Rapper who speaks against interracial relationships. In fact, many rappers date white women too :D

4. Say what you want about Rap, but Ice T, Snoop Dog, N-B.I.G., Tupac and some others ARE very talented with writing words and it's NOT easy to do what they do/did.

5. Nazis that are over the age of 18 should be able to sing and say what they want. However, these girls are younger than my little sister. It doesn't matter what you believe in...how can one not be disguisted that children that young are exposed to so much hate?

6. Who the f#ck even buys their albums, lol?A very fine clusterf*ck you wrote there. You, SwiftSloth, and JoeyNormal should get along great.

how about we just live and let live :)
Since that's NOT April Gaede & Prussian Blue's agenda, that's frankly impossible while they're recruiting children for genocide.

A very fine clusterf*ck you wrote there.

Yeah, you just really proved my arguements to be wrong in a very intellegent, educated essay. :rolleyes:

how about we just live and let live

Fine, leave the kids alone though. If their parents want to spread hate and racism, they can form a band with people over the age of 18 and do it themselves...I think it should be illegal to used little children for that.

Even if we'll take the few racist rappers we got, they are definately over 18, nor do they use their kids to spread their message.

Since that's NOT April Gaede & Prussian Blue's agenda, that's frankly impossible while they're recruiting children for genocide.

:nice:

Teaching children that Hitler was a good guy and using your kids to spread the message, should be treated as child abuse.

Since that's NOT April Gaede & Prussian Blue's agenda, that's frankly impossible while they're recruiting children for genocide.CowPunk, as I've said before, it's a fruitless exercise to debate with someone who prefers to argue with himself.

It gets old watching you beat yourself off claiming victory by equating everything opposed to your dogma with genocide/neo-nazism. In the short time I've been here, this is what I've figured out about you.

opposition to Islamic fundies and their mass migration into Europe = resurrection of the Third Reich

Minutemen trying to secure the border from illegal invaders and Al Qaeda = white supremacy

whites who self-segregate and want nothing to do with your rainbow coalition = genocide of the rest of the earth

keeping Palestinian bombers/terrorists/enemies out of your country via security wall = oppression

At least some of us have the decency to take the time in consider eachother's arguments and arguing the points, instead of knocking down strawmen all day long.

I remember how you pooh-poohed the black activist who called for the extermination of white people around the world and now you want me to take you seriously when you raise a stink about Prussian Blue?

404 intellectual honesty not found

Yeah, you just really proved my arguements to be wrong in a very intellegent, educated essay. :rolleyes:



Fine, leave the kids alone though. If their parents want to spread hate and racism, they can form a band with people over the age of 18 and do it themselves...I think it should be illegal to used little children for that.

Even if we'll take the few racist rappers we got, they are definately over 18, nor do they use their kids to spread their message.



:nice:

Teaching children that Hitler was a good guy and using your kids to spread the message, should be treated as child abuse.Can we have some kind of standardized test before we allow people into the Political Debate forum? :|

Can we have some kind of standardized test before we allow people into the Political Debate forum?

Yeah, it's easier to make personal attacks than prove anything I said to be wrong :rolleyes:
It only shows that people like you don't even know what they talk about.

opposition to Islamic fundies and their mass migration into Europe = resurrection of the Third Reich

I oppose the immigration of radical muslims into Europe and America. I'm 100% against fundemental Islam. Next...

Minutemen trying to secure the border from illegal invaders and Al Qaeda = white supremacy

I'm against illegal immigration and I hope that all members of Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are killed. Next...

whites who self-segregate and want nothing to do with your rainbow coalition = genocide of the rest of the earth

I think that these people are mentally ill (at least in some ways), but I support their right to do so, as long as that's ALL they do. I'm not for forcing people into integration, it's just that I don't want the ones who are pro-segregation to force their values on the rest of us in any way, and I want them to live the rest of us, the non-racists, alone.

keeping Palestinian bombers/terrorists/enemies out of your country via security wall = oppression

I sure as hell couldn't say such a thing :p Palestinian terrorists are the oppressors, lol.

At least some of us have the decency to take the time in consider eachother's arguments and arguing the points, instead of knocking down strawmen all day long.

Uh huh... :rolleyes: ...such as:

Can we have some kind of standardized test before we allow people into the Political Debate forum?

And...

A very fine clusterf*ck you wrote there.

What a decent, intellegent arguement, lol :rolleyes:

I remember how you pooh-poohed the black activist who called for the extermination of white people around the world and now you want me to take you seriously when you raise a stink about Prussian Blue?

He is an ADULT, and he just speaks his own opinion. Yes, he is evil and mentaly sick and I hope somebody takes him to a mental hospital for the rest of his life, however he still doesn't use children to spread his hate and calls for genocide, nor does he create music when he knows he has no talent :p

As soon as his kids (if they are under 18) will start recording songs about commiting genocide against white people...that's when you can compare him.

He is an ADULT, and he just speaks his own opinion. Yes, he is evil and mentaly sick and I hope somebody takes him to a mental hospital for the rest of his life, however he still doesn't use children to spread his hate and calls for genocide, nor does he create music when he knows he has no talent

As soon as his kids (if they are under 18) will start recording songs about commiting genocide against white people...that's when you can compare him.I see... so the crux of this thread is about the lack of musical talent which makes Prussian Blue so deplorable when compared to gangster rappers and the afformentioned black activist. Thanks for wasting my time per usual guys :hi:

CowPunk, as I've said before, it's a fruitless exercise to debate with someone who prefers to argue with himself.

It gets old watching you beat yourself off claiming victory by equating everything opposed to your dogma with genocide/neo-nazism. In the short time I've been here, this is what I've figured out about you.
Since the Gaedes ARE neo-Nazis and DO advocate for genocide, I think that's perfectly appropriate.

opposition to Islamic fundies and their mass migration into Europe = resurrection of the Third Reich
Never said this. It's a violation of Godwin's law.

Minutemen trying to secure the border from illegal invaders and Al Qaeda = white supremacy
Never said that either.

whites who self-segregate and want nothing to do with your rainbow coalition = genocide of the rest of the earth
They don't want to "self-segregate" - they want to expel every non-white from their self-ordained homeland, and foment the Rahowa with the Day of the Rope in case they can't.

keeping Palestinian bombers/terrorists/enemies out of your country via security wall = oppression
I've said exactly the opposite - I support Israel, and the security fence, with the Israeli Supreme Court's alterations, anyhow.

At least some of us have the decency to take the time in consider eachother's arguments and arguing the points, instead of knocking down strawmen all day long.
They're not "strawmen." You're the one who keeps bringing up strawmen like gangsta rap groups from 1990 to distract attention from the disgusting spectacle of two preteen girls promoting Nazism.

I remember how you pooh-poohed the black activist who called for the extermination of white people around the world and now you want me to take you seriously when you raise a stink about Prussian Blue?
I never said anything about the black activist - I don't recall even posting on that thread - and have nothing to say about him other than that he's obviously a psychopath. OTOH, at least he's not trying to recruit children with two cute blond girls singing folk songs.

please post this proof that they wish genocide on the rest of the world

I see... so the crux of this thread is about the lack of musical talent which makes Prussian Blue so deplorable

No, it's not because they don't have talent, it's just another reason to put them down. If they were just little kids singing normal songs, and didn't do it it well, I'd have nothing against them. I appreciate anybody's efforts in music, unless of course it's the kind that spreads real hate.

compared to gangster rappers and the afformentioned black activist. Thanks for wasting my time per usual guys

I see that you ignored all of my points, other than the fact that they suck at music.

please post this proof that they wish genocide on the rest of the world
See their song "Victory Day" with its call for a "holy day" of a "bloody purge" of non-whites "cleansing the land" of racial impurities. RAHOWA!!! :rolleyes:

They don't want to "self-segregate" - they want to expel every non-white from their self-ordained homeland, and foment the Rahowa with the Day of the Rope in case they can't.Perhaps you're getting confused with the 'Reconquista' and the downtrodden 'undocumented migrants' :confused: :rolleyes:

Forgive me if I confused you with JoeyNormal on the black activist thread, as most self-hating white liberals have similar talking points. But I'm almost certain that we had a 10+ page exchange where you kept calling the minutemen neo-nazis. I'll try to find it in a minute.

No, I said that there was racism in the movement, but it's clear that there are also non-racists as well.

See their song "Victory Day" with its call for a "holy day" of a "bloody purge" of non-whites "cleansing the land" of racial impurities. RAHOWA!!! :rolleyes:If gangster rap is allowed, so should this. Fair is fair. :)

See their song "Victory Day" with its call for a "holy day" of a "bloody purge" of non-whites "cleansing the land" of racial impurities. RAHOWA!!!

Wow CowPunk, you actually managed to listen to their whole album without puking just from the music alone? lol. You must be very very musically tolerant to say the least...especially for a pro-musician, lol.



Since the Gaedes ARE neo-Nazis and DO advocate for genocide, I think that's perfectly appropriate.

Their daughters perform in T-shirts with a picture of Hitler, lol.

They don't want to "self-segregate" - they want to expel every non-white from their self-ordained homeland, and foment the Rahowa with the Day of the Rope in case they can't.

Yes. And I have no problem if somebody doesn't want to hang around minorities...however, keep it to yourself and don't spread your mental illness.


They're not "strawmen." You're the one who keeps bringing up strawmen like gangsta rap groups from 1990 to distract attention from the disgusting spectacle of two preteen girls promoting Nazism.


I never said anything about the black activist - I don't recall even posting on that thread - and have nothing to say about him other than that he's obviously a psychopath. OTOH, at least he's not trying to recruit children with two cute blond girls singing folk songs.

Yes, he is a sick monster who speaks for himself and only for himself. Any Black people I've ever known would have punched him in the face for what he said.

Still, unlike PB parents, he doesn't practice child abuse as far as I know, nor spread racist hate propoganda to little kids.

If gangster rap is allowed, so should this. Fair is fair.

Not when the girls are under 18, and obviously experience child abuse by their parents.

I have no problem for the non-talented skinhead punk bands to have the right to sing their "n**er songs", they are adults, and they can say what they want, but LEAVE THE KIDS OUT!!

If gangster rap is allowed, so should this. Fair is fair. :)
Since no one's suggesting that they be censored, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. That hardly means people can't criticize them.

Wow CowPunk, you actually managed to listen to their whole album without puking just from the music alone? lol.
When'd I say that? :)

Their daughters perform in T-shirts with a picture of Hitler, lol.
Hitler smiley faces, actually. :rolleyes:

Yes. And I have no problem if somebody doesn't want to hang around minorities...however, keep it to yourself and don't spread your mental illness.
Of course, you have the right to advocate for that belief if you wish, so long as you don't directly incite violence.

Since no one's suggesting that they be censored, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. That hardly means people can't criticize them.

Yeah, while Tipper Wh0re and her organization with the Christian Right were really trying to censor rappers and non-racist rock musicians, for things that are NOT NEARLY as horrible by all means. What's up with that hypocrisy?

No, I said that there was racism in the movement, but it's clear that there are also non-racists as well.
CowPunk, I can guarantee you that life would be much easier if you would give up the hope of social engineering and a rainbow society on earth.

Louis Farakhan promotes the idea that whites were created in a test tube by a mad scientist thousands of years ago, and that they are a 'demon seed'. Let's say for arguments sake Farakhan and his followers established their own nation somewhere in the South. As a liberal, do you A) immediately contact the ADL and try to get these people in a re-education camp where their thought crimes can be expunged from their heads, and failing that, perform lobotomies, or B) force them to change their immigration laws to satiate the wet dream of a 'diverse' and 'multi-cultural' society at all costs, or C) create a racial quota system where their businesses require 25 percent Native American, 25 Percent Asian, and 25 percent white?

I'm offering the buffet on how to break people into the ideal society you want here.

Now consider the libertarian perspective. You hate me. You don't hire me. You don't want to associate with me. You aren't forced to sell property to me.

You like rap music, I like heavy metal. I don't force you to listen to my sh*t, and neither do you. We are people with mutually exclusive interests and we aren't forced to interact with eachother under the big umbrella of 'diversity'.

In effect, we have our own lives and granted we don't do physical violence to eachother, we have absolutely nothing to do with eachother.

Sure it lacks state-worshipping statism, and the political leverage to control others, but I've always been more of a free spirit :)

Since no one's suggesting that they be censored, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. That hardly means people can't criticize them.sure I guess. I was just saying you lacked intellectual honesty by ignoring gangster rap.

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When'd I say that?

Well, if you actually managed to listen to all of it, even if you had to :barf: after that...I'm sure I wouldn't be afraid to let you listen to my first album (that's when/if I record it) some day, despite the fact that I'm not much of a singer AND influenced by SRV in many ways :)

Whether life would be easier or not is irrelevant - we don't run the state by what's easiest. Life would be a lot simpler if we just summary executed everyone accused of a crime instead of giving them a trial too.

But we don't allow that, and we don't make public policy on the basis of racial discrimination because the intolerant want it that way either.

And your continued references to black racists are simple red herrings: they're no more justified than you are, and they prove nothing about normative beliefs in the black community.

Whether life would be easier or not is irrelevant - we don't run the state by what's easiest. Life would be a lot simpler if we just summary executed everyone accused of a crime instead of giving them a trial too.

But we don't allow that, and we don't run the state on the basis of racial discrimination because the intolerant want it that way.

And your continued references to black racists are simple red herrings: they're no more justified than you are, and they prove nothing about normative beliefs in the black community.The simple essense of what I'm saying is that society works best when it's based on mutual interactions, not statist regulation.

Would you really wanna hire a neo-nazi like me just to prove your 'tolerance'? http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/kekekegay.gif

Louis Farakhan

Piece of sh!t racist a$$hole, :not: .

However, in many ways, his mental illness is somewhat caused by white racism that was so widespread during the time he grew up, and that arguably led him to become just as bad as the racists that discriminated against him. What I do blame him is for the fact that he still hasn't recovered from that hate and change like Malcolm X, and that he spreads hate. Still, he's not nearly as bad as the parents of PB.

The simple essense of what I'm saying is that society works best when it's based on mutual interactions, not statist regulation.
100 years of discrimination, and the grievous harm it caused to the black community proves that to be a lie.

Would you really wanna hire a neo-nazi like me just to prove your 'tolerance'? http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/kekekegay.gif
If I'm not mistaken, you're a non-Nazi racist. And, of course, employers are free to discriminate with regards to POLITICAL, as opposed to religious, beliefs, thanks to your right wing forebears desire to attack Communism.

However, I'd make no issue of hiring Nazis for, say, my road crew IF all their other credentials were solid AND they didn't disrupt the team with their beliefs.

Piece of sh!t racist a$$hole, :not: .

However, in many ways, his mental illness is somewhat caused by white racism that was so widespread during the time he grew up, and that arguably led him to become just as bad as the racists that discriminated against him. What I do blame him is for the fact that he still hasn't recovered from that hate and change like Malcolm X, and that he spreads hate. Still, he's not nearly as bad as the parents of PB.He doesn't really bother me at all. Then again I don't make it my business to regulate the values of others :shrug:

You can stop pretending that CRITICISM of someone's ideology is the same thing as REGULATING it. :rolleyes:

Thumper, optical...why do you cling to some few examples of militant black rappers, when I and others have listed the same or worse from whites?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the mother****ing John Lockjaw of Pitboss2k:

welfare breeder shot in the face
Welare homicide end your race
Government handout
Need to hand out beatings
Steal to buy crack
**** your feelings

Public hangings bringing it back
Social value is what you lack

Fix the system before it gets worse
hang the welfares with the white ones first
Crackhead pig, get outta my way
Ill pull the streetsweeper and you will pay

Oh, man, a white man singing about killing white trash? No! It couldn't be! Only rappers want whites dead!

lets have a festival
To save a bunch of moonies
That no ones ever heard of
And the money they never see

bomb tibet (2x)

Blow up the whole damn country
And build up a huge ski resort
It's a master plan so please help out
Cause dammit I know itll work

Pb2k will lead the way
Let the bombs fall from the sky
Pb2k will lead the way
When all those monks rot up and die
They serve no purpose that chanting sucks
And those monks they don't get hoes
Another protest for the ****ing hippies and
More stickers for their volvos

And he wants to kill monks too!

But what's this? Hate edge? Bats'n'gats? Wot wot wot?

beat down central strahate revenge
beating up drunks till their end
Emo takedown drunkcore murder
Chalkline fell we grow stronger

Militant the only way to go
Golf what we know
bats beating up the ******s
Gats shooting the impure

Bats and gats (3x)
beat and shoot the weak

It gets worse! Nailbomb, in which Johnny LJ and the boys sing about bombing hari krishna shows:

pack it up tightly we're going to a show
Put it by the stage and run for the door
detonation coming to blow up the stage
The death of Ray Cappo and we all say "yeah"

happiness is beating all krshna fags
You are a waste your god is a fake

The old school fell to a fake god
When I look around I see whats wrong
So many kids following the fakes
krshna bloodbath whatever it takes

Krshna bloodbath

Hmmm, Nailbomb...where have I heard this word before? Oh, yes, the Fudge Tunnel and Seps side project:

Shut the **** up, take the pain
You can never understand
I'm the one, you rejected
I'm the one, you won’t forget

While you sleep, I destroy your world

Getting sick of all this
You're no use to me
Your only crime is you're an easy target
Open your brain and I'll destroy it

While you sleep, I destroy your world

Then there was "Zero Tolerance", in which Max and Alex sung about killing racists first.

Now that we're getting old-school, how about some samples from Judge? Bringin' it Down...what a song. Beating nazis and drinkers in the same song!


I see you on the streets
You hide in your packs
You push and push
And no one pushes back
It's time you own up
To the things you say
'Cuz judge is on the move
And we're starting today
Chorus
I'm bringin' it down
This hammer I've got
This ignorance has got to be stopped
You want to discriminate
And show your stupidity
Against people who are equal
To you and me
If you want a great nation
Then we all must be free
And if you won't wise up
Consider Judge your enemy
Chorus
A beer, a joint like a gun at your head
The price that you pay is the blood that you bled
The needle, the track mark, you're scarred for life
You're weak and you're hurt,
And you're gonna lose this fight
Because you drink it and you smoke it
And you say you feel fine
And you snort it and you shoot it
And now it's melted your mind
I'm bringin' it down, this hammer I've got[/b[
This ignorance has got to be stopped
I'm bringin' it down, the hammer's me and you
Stay off the tracks 'cuz Judge is coming through

Hammer to skull, how about it? A white man wrote those lyrics. A New York skinhead, in fact. Sung about the New York crew, which also included the Cro Mags, Agnostic Front and, later, Madball...

Yeah,that's right...Agnostic Front, crucified skins: http://spiritribe2.free.fr/Spiritribe2/Photo4/AgnosticFront-26-02-05/AgnosticTattoos/HammerAgnoitat12.jpg

And they hate fascists too. On down the line, from Agnostic Front to their comrades in the DMS crew, Skarhead:

K.A.C. no competition, once again I'm on a mother****in' mission. killing and chilling, that's all we do, hardcore villains from the D.M.S. Crew. Representing the Borough of Queens, do what we have to, know what I mean. So when you see us coming you better watch your back, because the dogs of war are on the attack.

K.A.C. - losing our minds
K.A.C. - Kings at crime

Look out jack, here comes the head crack, busting out hammers from the knapsack. people like talking, but that's all they do. You know they are all in shock when they see our crew. so step back, you best relax. Been doing this for years, ****in' new jacks. We are the *****z, that started this trend, down from the beginning, it will never end.


And Madball, singing about killing traitors to the crew:

You wake up every morning
In this living hell
Not knowing that
[b]You're worst enemy is me
You never know what can happen
Within this cell
Betrayal is what I feel
Revenge is what I seek
No hesitation, no turning back
I gotta do it, I have no choice
Gotta do what I
Gotta do for the crew
Down by law
What you did I can't
Forgive my so called brother
I can't let my feelings
get in the way

Why you turn your back
On the crew
We always had your back
We'd die for you
You ratted on your boy
Something you never do
Now his life is over
And yours is too

Down by law
We made a promise to eachother
A promise that you choose to break
We stuck together no matter what
My brother
You turned you're back
And proved you're fake

Repeat 2nd verse

Down by law
You've left me no choise
The strenght of a gesture
A thought with no voice

Repeat chorus

The clock is ticking
You're time is up
Now's my chance, I gotta move fast
Our memories I put to rest
It's the law we chose to live by
You broke the ****in' rules
You must die
Why

Need some more history? What about Slapshot?

Don't see him but he's out there
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't know when could come from nowhere
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't go mad until he gives the sign
Enforcer Enforcer
Cause he's the one who keeps it all in line
Enforcer Enforcer

Show no mercy - he don't take none
Takes no sides - gives no reasons
Show no weakness - he shows might
Cause when he is out there - be ready to fight

Don't see him but he's out there
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't know when could come from nowhere
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't go mad until he gives the sign
Enforcer Enforcer
Cause he's the one who keeps it all in line
Enforcer Enforcer

Show no mercy - he don't take none
Takes no sides - gives no reasons
Show no weakness - he shows might
Cause when he is out there - be ready to fight

Enforcer Enforcer
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't see him but he's out there
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't know when could come from nowhere
Enforcer Enforcer
Don't go mad until he gives the sign
Enforcer Enforcer
Cause he's the one who keeps it all in line
Enforcer Enforcer
Enforcer Enforcer

Gang-land enforcers? From white men in Boston? And what's this? Might makes right?!

You can take your ideas and throw them out the door
'Cause we don't give a ****, who they're ****in for
We like our ideas and we put them in your head
And if you don't like it, you're gonna wind up dead

It's me, let's be
That's right, let's fight
Might makes right
Might makes right

It's me, let's be
That's right, let's fight
Might makes right
Might makes right

You can take your ideas and throw them out the door
'Cause we don't give a ****, who they're ****in for
We like our ideas and we put them in your head
And if you don't like it, you're gonna wind up dead

It's me, let's be
That's right, let's fight
Might makes right
Might makes right

Slapshot knew what killing for the straight edge meant. Choke used to beat people up with hockey sticks at their shows.

Boston, mass. Is the rippen'ist town
Don't smoke, don't drink, don't **** around
Kill anyone with a beer in their hand
'Cause if you drink you're not a man
Straight-edge, straight-edge in your face
You don't belong in the human race
Sound off 1-2, sound off 3-4
We don't want you 'round here no more
You can get drunk, fall down on the floor
We'll step on you and watch the blood pour
Boston, mass. Is the rippen'ist town (4x)
Fall out!
Yeah!!!

And this concludes my tour of violent and hateful white hardcore. Tune in the same time tomorrow for my tour of the hatred in metal.

Would you really wanna hire a neo-nazi like me just to prove your 'tolerance'?

Well, the thing is, CP is a pro-musician, and since white racists and neo-nazis havn't been great/good musicians since Wagner, it is unlikely that he'll let you in, not even because he's not tolerant to nazis, but because you probably don't have the abillity to play. I don't know ANY good musicians who have racist views, personally. I don't know why it is like that, but it just is. Just look at the skinhead bands, any of them, and PB especially, that's musicians?lol. I bet I got a better chance of being hired by CP then they do, even that I'm no great musician, and my style is inspired by of some guitarists that CP doesn't really like ;) ...but I honestly never met a racist who could even play on my level, that's just the truth.

100 years of discrimination, and the grievous harm it caused to the black community proves that to be a lie.irony of ironies...

Someone who claims to be a non-racist deep down still believes in the White Man's Burden.

This is the sick mind game the liberals have played on the blacks. Convincing them that they can't be full members of society, or human beings, without forced white approval and support. That without this paternalistic relationship, they will wither on the vine.

How empowering!!111
If I'm not mistaken, you're a non-Nazi racist. And, of course, employers are free to discriminate with regards to POLITICAL, as opposed to religious, beliefs, thanks to your right wing forebears desire to attack Communism.

However, I'd make no issue of hiring Nazis for, say, my road crew IF all their other credentials were solid AND they didn't disrupt the team with their beliefs.CowPunk, I'd save you the trouble.

I don't impose myself on others if I feel unwelcome and I expect the same courtesy. Go on, try it. Leading your own life is just great :p

Thumper, optical...why do you cling to some few examples of militant black rappers, when I and others have listed the same or worse from whites?

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And this concludes my tour of violent and hateful white hardcore. Tune in the same time tomorrow for my tour of the hatred in metal.Missing the point once again, I already told you I couldn't care less how anyone chooses to express themselves. It becomes a problem however, when you cry heresy simply because the artist is white.

you: desire to control all that is un-PC

me: not giving a sh*t

irony of ironies...

Someone who claims to be a non-racist deep down still believes in the White Man's Burden.

This is the sick mind game the liberals have played on the blacks. Convincing them that they can't be full members of society, or human beings, without forced white approval and support. That without this paternalistic relationship, they will wither on the vine.

How empowering!!111
How stupid - you can't really be a full member of society if you can't get a job or a college education, or live in a neighborhood with decent SES and public services, which, pre-civil rights legislation, was the status of blacks. That's why only around 20% of blacks today live in poverty.

The "white man's burden" theory was that whites had to supervise & DISCIPLINE blacks for their own good, not provide them with equal rights, so the analogy is bogus.

No, I do not cry heresy when the artist is white. If I did, then why would Judge, Slapshot, Madball and so on reside in my CD collection?

It's not the hatred and violence I object to, it's the racial hatred and advocacy of neo-nazism. Aren't you paying attention?

Well, the thing is, CP is a pro-musician, and since white racists and neo-nazis havn't been great/good musicians since Wagner
Johnny Ramone's an exception that comes to mind. :rolleyes:

No, I do not cry heresy when the artist is white. If I did, then why would Judge, Slapshot, Madball and so on reside in my CD collection?

It's not the hatred and violence I object to, it's the racial hatred and advocacy of neo-nazism. Aren't you paying attention?By all means, give us a list according to JoeyNormal of what is the allowable hatred that can be expressed and what isn't. Please define what offends your delicate sensibilites, and how we should accomodate that. :|

Johnny Ramone's an exception that comes to mind.

I know he was a republican, but I NEVER heard that he was a racist and WN, especially since Joey was Jewish and The Ramones wrote a song critisizing Reagan for going to nazi graves.

Plus, even if he was a racist, which I doubt...hardly a great/good guitarist. I LOVE The Ramones, but they were mediocre musicians AT BEST!!

How stupid - you can't really be a full member of society if you can't get a job or a college education, or live in a neighborhood with decent SES and public services, which, pre-civil rights legislation, was the status of blacks. That's why only around 20% of blacks today live in poverty.

The "white man's burden" theory was that whites had to supervise & DISCIPLINE blacks for their own good, not provide them with equal rights, so the analogy is bogus.And having special privileges like affirmative action and forced integration is such a step up.. :rolleyes:

Blacks have just as much right to own property or set up a business in their community just as anyone else. Which is what they did quite successfully until liberal social engineers convinced them to get addicted to socialism instead and fight 'white oppression' by being utterly dependent on them and these people (the Democrats) have been pimping them for the vote ever since.

Blacks could be educated via Brown University, which was a learning institution founded by blacks. I know you have a hard time believing that anything can be accomplished without whites holding their hand, but I assure you it can happen. The same can be said for black professional sports leagues, doctors, dentists, towns, etc. Of course with this realization, you don't get to feel important through this outreach program as you like to think you were, but ego stroke aside helping someone is always helping.

By all means, give us a list according to JoeyNormal of what is the allowable hatred that can be expressed and what isn't. Please define what offends your delicate sensibilites, and how we should accomodate that. :|

Hold on, but weren't you the one whose delecate sensibilities were offended by NWA?

I know he was a republican, but I NEVER heard that he was a racist and WN, especially since Joey was Jewish and The Ramones wrote a song critisizing Reagan for going to nazi graves.
Johnny hated it, & was well-known to hate blacks & Jews, and especially Joey.

Plus, even if he was a racist, which I doubt...hardly a great/good guitarist. I LOVE The Ramones, but they were mediocre musicians AT BEST!!
Untrue - no one one ever played that style as well as they did, and no one can make a guitar sound like Johnny. Seems easy until you try.

Hold on, but weren't you the one whose delecate sensibilities were offended by NWA?I was pointing out your hypocrisy :doh:

"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the ***** race before the public. Some of these people do not want the ***** to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."


-- Booker T. Washington, black author of Up From Slavery

And having special privileges like affirmative action and forced integration is such a step up.. :rolleyes:
Neither is a special privilege - both simply ensure equal rights and access. Even with AA, whites still get a highly disproportionate share of jobs, since only a few people get Affirmative Action jobs.

Blacks have just as much right to own property or set up a business in their community just as anyone else. Which is what they did quite successfully until liberal social engineers convinced them to get addicted to socialism instead and fight 'white oppression' by being utterly dependent on them and these people (the Democrats) have been pimping them for the vote ever since.
Inane - most blacks were forced to live in ghettos & all black areas, & could rarely get business loans, which were often decided on purely ethnic grounds.

Blacks could be educated via Brown University, which was a learning institution founded by blacks.
Only a small number of historically black colleges admitted blacks, and they had so little money that they could hardly offer tuition assistance to the disproportionately poor black community. :rolleyes:

I know you have a hard time believing that anything can be accomplished without whites holding their hand, but I assure you it can happen. The same can be said for black professional sports leagues, doctors, dentists, towns, etc. Of course with this realization, you don't get to feel important through this outreach program as you like to think you were, but ego stroke aside helping someone is always helping.
None of that reverses the overwhelming discrimination that UNequal opportunity inflicted on blacks for a moment, and they were genuinely hurt by it.

Nothing justifies discrimination on the basis of skin color, particularly when it's condoned by the state. The point isn't that they can't accomplish anything in the face of racial discimination, but that they shouldn't have to just because of your intolerance.

Does anyone else notice the trends in racists? It may not be true to all racists, but Iv noticed the ones I do know have absolutly no social skills, and get very awkward around all people, not just blacks... Its almost as if they make up for there inability to socialize and interact with humans by claiming themselves into a 'group' by default, and then make themselves cool by saying there better then the other 'group'. Where as I notice non-racists are very social people who have no trouble interact in groups and with people in general.

Neither is a special privilege - both simply ensure equal rights and access. Even with AA, whites still get a highly disproportionate share of jobs, since only a few people get Affirmative Action jobs.You know something else CowPunk? I bet you could *really* make disabled wheelchair bound kids feel just as special if you put them on the basketball team and mechanically lowered the hoop everytime they got the ball, because 'equality' makes everyone happier, right?

Whites own most businesses, ergo they usually have control over who they hire. I suppose you could encourage blacks to become business owners, but where would the fun be if we couldn't play salvation worker to these down trodden folks anymore :(
Inane - most blacks were forced to live in ghettos & all black areas, & could rarely get business loans, which were often decided on purely ethnic grounds.Perhaps nowadays. I was speaking before the welfare state though, which the liberal are so enamored with. Obviously we have to abolish the welfare state to get rid of these ghettoes.

Only a small number of historically black colleges admitted blacks, and they had so little money that they could hardly offer tuition assistance to the disproportionately poor black community. :rolleyes:


None of that reverses the overwhelming discrimination that UNequal opportunity inflicted on blacks for a moment, and they were genuinely hurt by it.We get it, blacks are hurt when whites don't give them full access to white society. They can't make it on their own. They need help. Could you possibly be anymore supportive?

Nothing justifies discrimination on the basis of skin color, particularly when it's condoned by the state. The point isn't that they can't accomplish anything in the face of racial discimination, but that they shouldn't have to just because of your intolerance.Thanks for summing up your statist position so succinctly. The STATE SHALL NOT CONDONE freedom association.

I'm all for the freemarket. If there are GENUINE obstacles someone faces simply because they are black, such as not being allowed to own property or requiring special license to own/run a business, then those should be stricken down. Blacks should have just as much rights as whites to self-determination and self-esteem it brings. Welfare that favors single motherhood, and replaces the man in the house, destroy this chance.

All I see coming from you is how whites should be forced to share the wealth because they are more successful, which is overtly patronizing to blacks, and can make whites resentful.

You know something else CowPunk? I bet you could *really* make disabled wheelchair bound kids feel just as special if you put them on the basketball team and mechanically lowered the hoop everytime they got the ball, because 'equality' makes everyone happier, right?
Didn't we just agree that equality of opportunity isn't the same thing as equality of outcome? Unlike black kids, disabled kids actually aren't able to compete due to their disability - it's not a matter of arbitrary discrimination

I suppose you could encourage blacks to become business owners, but where would the fun be if we couldn't play salvation worker to these down trodden folks anymore :(
Or we can do exactly what we do, which is root out arbitrary racial discrimination.

Perhaps nowadays. I was speaking before the welfare state though, which the liberal are so enamored with. Obviously we have to abolish the welfare state to get rid of these ghettoes.
Or we could just exterminate everyone in them, which would have the same effect as abolishing welfare, which is time-limited workfare these days as well.



We get it, blacks are hurt when whites don't give them full access to white society. They can't make it on their own. They need help. Could you possibly be anymore supportive?
How does NOT discriminating against domeone mean they can't make it on their own??? Do you realize how illogical that is? That implies that white people can't make it on their own, and that's why they require the assistance of racial favoritism.

Thanks for summing up your statist position so succinctly. The STATE SHALL NOT CONDONE freedom association.
Right to reedom of association only applies to social relationships, not economic ones. It's also not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. You can be prevented from associating in business with specific other people by law under appropriate circumstances, for example.

You have a right to control what YOU do, not what other PEOPLE do. You have no right to arbitrarily limit the freedom of others due to your racial prejudice.



I'm all for the freemarket. If there are GENUINE obstacles someone faces simply because they are black, such as not being allowed to own property or requiring special license to own/run a business, then those should be stricken down.
No, racial discrimination in housing, employment, and school admissions must be stricken down as well, and, fortunately, they have been.

Blacks should have just as much rights as whites to self-determination and self-esteem it brings. Welfare that favors single motherhood, and replaces the man in the house, destroy this chance.
False - time-limited workfare does NOT favor single-motherhood, and that's what the Clinton reforms created. In fact, the birth rate of black single mothers is the lowest it's been since 1957 & that to black married couples has dropped by 50% since 1975.

All I see coming from you is how whites should be forced to share the wealth because they are more successful, which is overtly patronizing to blacks, and can make whites resentful.
No, whites shouldn't be able to discriminate in hiring on a racial basis, which isn't the same things as being "forced to share wealth." Workers DO have to exchange labor for payment.

Does anyone else notice the trends in racists? It may not be true to all racists, but Iv noticed the ones I do know have absolutly no social skills, and get very awkward around all people, not just blacks... Its almost as if they make up for there inability to socialize and interact with humans by claiming themselves into a 'group' by default, and then make themselves cool by saying there better then the other 'group'. Where as I notice non-racists are very social people who have no trouble interact in groups and with people in general.
People whose politics are exclusive are usually terrible at forming groups, which is why there's always plenty of drama going on with racist groups like the National Alliance, National Vanguard, Aryan Nations, Church of the Creator, etc.

They hate each other as much as they do outgroups, because that's their nature - to hate.

Not true for people whose politics are inclusive, which is why non-racists always have an advantage.

Didn't we just agree that equality of opportunity isn't the same thing as equality of outcome? Unlike black kids, disabled kids actually aren't able to compete due to their disability - it's not a matter of arbitrary discriminationI haven't agreed with a single thing you've said so far :p
Or we can do exactly what we do, which is root out arbitrary racial discrimination.You should visit my other thread (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83383) about government mandated forced tolerance. Lobotomies so far are winning :nice:

Or we could just exterminate everyone in them, which would have the same effect as abolishing welfare, which is time-limited workfare these days as well.Let's get this straight. Black people would starve to death without the welfare state?

How does NOT discriminating against domeone mean they can't make it on their own??? Do you realize how illogical that is? That implies that white people can't make it on their own, and that's why they require the assistance of racial favoritism. :confused: I can't really make heads or tails of what you just said, but the net result is that before forced integration blacks were largely self-sufficient with their own businesses. Now the exact opposite is true.

Right to reedom of association only applies to social relationships, not economic ones. It's also not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. You can be prevented from associating in business with specific other people by law under appropriate circumstances, for example.

You have a right to control what YOU do, not what other PEOPLE do. You have no right to arbitrarily limit the freedom of others due to your racial prejudice.Yes, this became the case after civil rights. I'm not arguing of what is, but what ought to be.

And yet do you actually consider it a 'right' that someone be hired free from discrimination from the employer? The right to discriminate is inherent in the ownership of anything, whether it is land, a home, a proprietary business, or an automobile. Should we be forced to take others whom we dislike for a ride in our cars? Should we all be forced to have an open-door policy into our homes as well?

Do you really want me over for dinner :eek3:

No, racial discrimination in housing, employment, and school admissions must be stricken down as well, and, fortunately, they have been.Something I like about libertarianism is the idea of not using force. Because force implies a weak argument, and if you cannot convince or persuade me, it is not a good idea.

If whites would rather not have blacks in their neighborhood, whose fault is it?

Perhaps the white folks don't like the loud rap music and the gangbanging. Or maybe they just don't like black people. At the end of the day, it's better to let the two parties work it out amongst themselves whether they want to live with eachother or not.

Otherwise, we get something the like ruins of Detroit, and the mass white flight that has decimated the city, or even Muslim riots in Paris. FORCED TOLERANCE IS AN OXYMORON. If you really want to affect societal change, it must be voluntary. Everything else is just a facade.

False - time-limited workfare does NOT favor single-motherhood, and that's what the Clinton reforms created. In fact, the birth rate of black single mothers is the lowest it's been since 1957 & that to black married couples has dropped by 50% since 1975.I'm not sure about this. It will require research.

No, whites shouldn't be able to discriminate in hiring on a racial basis, which isn't the same things as being "forced to share wealth." Workers DO have to exchange labor for payment.And won't that be the perfect society, where gover