What do you think about social darwinism?

Do you think it is evil?

What effect did/does social darwinism has on the US/World?

The economic system and the Mental Health facilities here in the States are the agents of Social Darwinism. Yes,it's evil.

aren't you german?

the economy does not differ from the german one
i think its more social system that hardly exists
takled about it with a friend today he sayd that in states a reformed healthcare system for example is not wanted because people believe in the american dream

if you want to be sucessful and work you will be
if you arent its your own fault

do you think he is rigth?

i mean that americans actually still believe in this

social darwinism is not good or evil. it is amoral.

socialism, on the other hand, is evil. because it mandates that the guys with the guns (the government) take wealth away from those who earned it, just because they earned it, and give it to those who didn't, just because they didn't.

what do you say to
equal opportunities for everybody

(quoting feenix)

aren't you german?

We've been in America for 200 years. We were a colony here-it sort of died out,but my family is a throwback.So I was referring to America.

the economy does not differ from the german one
i think its more social system that hardly exists
takled about it with a friend today he sayd that in states a reformed healthcare system for example is not wanted because people believe in the american dream

the AMA certainly don't want it.The American Public are scared of the cost.
The Doctors don't want anyone else looking over their shoulder,they've already got a bunch of controls from the insurance companies and lawyers and accountants...

if you want to be sucessful and work you will be
if you arent its your own fault

do you think he is rigth?

It's an oversimplification-there are a lot of people who don't necessarily expect to be at the top who are really being shortchanged because of the ambition of greedy and determined people.
You shouldnt be penalized because you're not willing to sell your soul to the devil...

i mean that americans actually still believe in this

Declining expectations led us here.We spend a lot of money-we're all living beyond our means-people try to keep their chins up and hope something good will come and make things right.

[QUOTE=fat mike]We've been in America for 200 years. We were a colony here-it sort of died out,but my family is a throwback.So I was referring to America.


I actually are german, and i'm livin in germany frankfurt
i did spent the last year in fort hood, tx

what do you say to
equal opportunities for everybody

(quoting feenix)

equality of opportunity does not mean equality of results.

just a question of topic
how powerful are the greens in the US

[QUOTE=fat mike]We've been in America for 200 years. We were a colony here-it sort of died out,but my family is a throwback.So I was referring to America.


I actually are german, and i'm livin in germany frankfurt
i did spent the last year in fort hood, tx

Meine gnaedige Bruder,get ready to correct some bad German because I'm not all that educated... but welcome to DA.
Ft Hood's like an hour away from me...
The colonies were in New Braunfels and Fredericksburg-my family is from the latter-there was another in Livingston i think but a lot of the people died...

just a question of topic
how powerful are the greens in the US

Th eDemocrats andRepublicans have a postive monopoly [oligarchy?]
If the greens saw 10% it'd be a good day for them. Ralph Nader is
a do good lawyer heading their ticket-he fought the automobile manufacturers
a few decades back-i don't hear anyone here ever rag on him,which is surprising-I guess the right don't consider him any kind of a threat..

Meine gnaedige Bruder,get ready to correct some bad German because I'm not all that educated... but welcome to DA.
Ft Hood's like an hour away from me...
The colonies were in New Braunfels and Fredericksburg-my family is from the latter-there was another in Livingston i think but a lot of the people died...

vielen dank
you on the other hand are going to have correct some english

im still in highschool and i did my junior year temple

it was a private catholic school
though one for a german
germans are almost all lutheran or atheists

Th eDemocrats andRepublicans have a postive monopoly [oligarchy?]
If the greens saw 10% it'd be a good day for them. Ralph Nader is
a do good lawyer heading their ticket-he fought the automobile manufacturers
a few decades back-i don't hear anyone here ever rag on him,which is surprising-I guess the right don't consider him any kind of a threat..

rule by a few rich and powerful

how close is the ideology of american greens and the europeans
i know there is another green party
their embleme feature a sunflower on an greenbackground i dont know if you ever saw it, but they are pretty close with the europeans

vielen dank
you on the other hand are going to have correct some english

im still in highschool and i did my junior year temple

it was a private catholic school
though one for a german
germans are almost all lutheran or atheists

My Mother is Amsich on one side and Lutheran on the other.
Now she's decided we're somehow Jewish. I love her,you can't understand
women no matter what anyway.Maybe she's right-I have my doubts but she turned to be right about some strange things before...
My english isnt great-in Texas we all talk like hicks and the Germans have their messed up grammar and to top it off I work with blacks and Latinos
so I doubt I'll be much of role model for you-I just roll with the punches,
I'm a little old to teach...

i belong to the lutheran church but i think im gonna leave it when i am 18
i belong to a church but i never go to gottesdienst (dont know the word, mass is just used for catholics?) thats just not rigth
i am no atheist but i cant find a church that i totaly agree with
i guess i am a little young to decide that its a long process to define your believes

i belong to the lutheran church but i think im gonna leave it when i am 18
i belong to a church but i never go to gottesdienst (dont know the word, mass is just used for catholics?) thats just not rigth
i am no atheist but i cant find a church that i totaly agree with
i guess i am a little young to decide that its a long process to define your believes

Literally it would be "God's service"-we say "service" or "chapel service" or even "church service".
Unless you're really into religion it'd be good just to sample some things
instead of diving into a bunch of theology.2 churches can beklng to the same denomination and be totally different.
But listen to your heart-theology too often is a bunch of long words hairsplitting
some philosophical concept for political or racial reasons-it can be really sickening sometimes...
If you just think about God and pray on a regular basis it means a lot....

I think its evil because its against the very nature of Christianity and of Humanistic philosophy. As a Christian humanist I find social darwinism opposed to everything I support.

Yet it seems to be the prevalant philosophy of the Bush administration.

'Social Darwinism' isn't even related to real Darwinism. It was a fabrication for propoganda purposes dreamed up by an economist on the J. P. Morgan payroll. There were lots of this sort of drek in the editorial pages and newpapers and even schoolbooks of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and even before. How many people know Horation Alger, paid to create all those silly stories about 'hard work and success' died in abject poverty?

Yes. Americans as a majority believe in Social Darwinism. The fact that the U.S. is HUGE with a tremendous amount of resources to waste has kept many Americans from seeing the overall trends and patterns behind such thinking and how it's going to affect them and their children in the long run. Of course as time goes by and more and more assets find their way into the top 10% (something like 95% of all American assets now), things are starting to fray a little and the damage is becoming more obvious. Things could change, but I don't see Americans developing a social conscience equal to Europe's anytime in the near future.

Do I think it's 'evil' by spirituality or even humanitarian standards? Yes.

Social Darwinism was originally created and supported by the uber-wealthy to explain why they had gotten so ridiculously rich, instead of claiming that they got it off standing on the backs of cheap labor and ruthless business tactics all intertwined with incredible intellect and great work-ethics.

Its just another set of labels, though I think the idea of it has evolved greatly from what it started out as.

You should attend some of the churches I've been to-the pastors almost never preach that stuff but you always have a few in the membership-of course this is Texas...

It's both true and a little scary that we always have to say "but of course this is Texas." :o

I think its evil because its against the very nature of Christianity and of Humanistic philosophy. As a Christian humanist I find social darwinism opposed to everything I support.

Yet it seems to be the prevalant philosophy of the Bush administration.


That's why governments and kings and Pat Robertson have rewritten the bible to suit themselves, and why the 'Founding Fathers' also did so. Only the rich can go to heaven, you know, ... Jesus hates poor people and those who can't function as disposable tooling, and cardboard shacks have been zoned out of America.

That's why governments and kings and Pat Robertson have rewritten the bible to suit themselves, and why the 'Founding Fathers' also did so. Only the rich can go to heaven, you know, ... Jesus hates poor people and those who can't function as disposable tooling, and cardboard shacks have been zoned out of America.


I'm sure you're aware of the heavy Calvinist influences in colonial America, right? Their ideas of predestination actually flow quite well with capitalism. The fact that they felt that the predestined were often exposed to the world as those who had the most worldly possessions in this life being blessed by god and thus showing their status plays right in with it, and form the basis of American capitalism.

Quite so actually and idea lingers to this day, depressingly.

I'm sure you're aware of the heavy Calvinist influences in colonial America, right? Their ideas of predestination actually flow quite well with capitalism.

I'm aware of all kinds of frauds going under various names of 'religion' and ideology. They didn't practice what they preached back in 'The Good Old Days' any more than do now. Same old game, different day. They basically boil down to justifying the rich being pretty much parasites living off the work of others paid less than they're worth, and the poor deserve to be robbed, exploited, and left to starve when their 'productiveness' is at an end. Laisse faire 'capitalism' couldn't exist without abject poverty, so when it is absent it has to be created, either by law, 'culture', or by importing it. America imported it, and later made sure there was always a pool of starving, desperate people afterwards.

wow, that's the most serious rant I've heard you go on in recent memory....

just reread your copy of the "communist manifesto"? so did I a few months ago, hehe

That's why governments and kings and Pat Robertson have rewritten the bible to suit themselves, and why the 'Founding Fathers' also did so. Only the rich can go to heaven, you know, ... Jesus hates poor people and those who can't function as disposable tooling, and cardboard shacks have been zoned out of America.

When i came to the US the first time i was just so amazed how many people believe and even go to the services. There are many dominations that believe in literally interpretation of the bible.
How can they ever believe in social darwinism.
Or even believe in bush?

When i came to the US the first time i was just so amazed how many people believe and even go to the services. There are many dominations that believe in literally interpretation of the bible.
How can they ever believe in social darwinism.
Or even believe in bush?

We have an expression in English-"cherry picking"-to piece through
literature without regard to context to find an argument supporting your
personal convictions-in other words they twist the meanings to suit them...

If there is an expert on Calvinism here, please tell me how Jesus's statement about how hard it is for a rich person to get into heaven fits in with the idea that ever expanding wealth is a sign of God's approval. Cherry-picking? I think somebody used correction fluid on their Bibles.

To be fair most of the denominations are characterized by an over emphasis on something or another and materialism has got the American Church as a whole in its grip not just the
Presbyterians...

Well, I'm not calvinist, but AS I UNDERSTAND IT (massive disclaimer) its not so much wealth, but that God will reveal to the world who are the chosen ones and who are not by bestowing the chosen ones with blessings. A good crop, harvest, strong healthy children, solid family life were all seen as blessings. As was what usually results from those things, added material wealth.

I'm not a Marxist, but Marx was only pointing the obvious, and he quoted many historical sources and people who came a long before him as well, so he wasn't making his analysis of laissez faire up. Many people give Marx credit for his analysis, and don't refute it, because they can't. They just don't accept his 'solution', or his 'inevitability' of where history will go.

The Lord promised to care for His people through good times and bad-He never promised there wouldnt be bad times-as a matter of fact He's always consistently said there would...

Yes. Americans as a majority believe in Social Darwinism. The fact that the U.S. is HUGE with a tremendous amount of resources to waste has kept many Americans from seeing the overall trends and patterns behind such thinking and how it's going to affect them and their children in the long run. Of course as time goes by and more and more assets find their way into the top 10% (something like 95% of all American assets now), things are starting to fray a little and the damage is becoming more obvious. Things could change, but I don't see Americans developing a social conscience equal to Europe's anytime in the near future.

Do I think it's 'evil' by spirituality or even humanitarian standards? Yes.

america will never change