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Criminal
10-24-2005, 06:40 AM
So said the Wasco tribe.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0510230428oct23,1,1803895.story?ctrack=1&cset=true


A bunch of chauvinistic, dog-eating yahoos probably is not how most Americans view Meriwether Lewis, William Clark and their intrepid band of explorers who made an epic journey of discovery across the American West 200 years ago.

That was pretty much the impression, however, that the expedition left on some of the American Indians it encountered from 1804 to 1806 as the party traversed an unmapped frontier from St. Louis to the Pacific Northwest.

Pat Courtney Gold, a master basket weaver from the Wasco tribe in Oregon who helped shape a bicentennial Lewis and Clark exhibition at the Newberry Library in Chicago, pokes gentle fun at the explorers for learning less than they should have from those meetings.

"Suddenly these hairy, smelly people came down the river in their crummy dugout canoes," Gold joked. "They didn't make much of an impression.

"They were pretty beat up and hungry when they got to the Wasco. They didn't realize that we are a matriarchal society, so they spent all the time speaking with our men. They missed out on a whole lot of knowledge because of that."

The American Indian side of Lewis and Clark's heroic undertaking got short shrift in past official histories, but that seems to have changed as scores of anniversary observances are mounted around the country. The Newberry's exhibit, "Lewis and Clark and the Indian Country," runs through Jan. 14.

40 tribes contributed

Robert Archibald, president of the National Lewis and Clark Bicentennial Commission, said the commission sought input from representatives of 40 tribes Lewis and Clark encountered. The elaborate traveling exhibit mounted by Archibald's own museum, the Missouri Historical Society in St. Louis, includes 500 artifacts, "about half Indian, half non-Indian," he said, and was based on input from more than a dozen Native American consultants.

For its exhibit, the Newberry enlisted the help of five Native American advisers, who talk about the Indian view of the expedition in video kiosks set up at the library, 60 W. Walton St.

"This exhibit really is about the Indian country," said Riva Feshbach, the library's exhibits manager. "The Native Americans the expedition encountered already had vast trade and diplomatic networks with other tribes and with other European trade entities, including Britain, through the Hudson's Bay Co., and France, through the French fur traders.

"When Lewis and Clark came through, different tribes reacted in different ways. Some were less interested in the Americans because they already did thriving business with other traders. Those who didn't have prior trade relationships in some cases were more eager to develop a relationship with the American explorers."

Gold's Wasco tribe, for example, was one of the richest because its territory is along the salmon-rich Columbia River. The tribe had been trading with the British, Spanish and Russians long before Lewis and Clark showed up.

Favored dog to salmon

Unfortunately, expedition members hated the taste of salmon, which was the staple of many of the Northwest tribes they met. So they fell back on eating dog meat--something the explorers first tasted when it was offered during an earlier feast with the Sioux along the Missouri River.

ResidentRice
10-24-2005, 07:50 AM
Interesting article!

I gotta say, your threads are some of my favorites. So, I guess this means everyone has to stop making fun of Asians eating dogs, right?

Being a part of that expedition would have to be one of my fantasies. What an incredible journey it must have been, and what an opportunity. Its a really interesting phenomenon though, watching the rewriting of history, the shift in focus more towards the native tribes of indigenous people and away from the eurocentric view. This was exactly the kind of post I needed to see here to get the taste of all of the racial hate that's been going around, kudos.

jojo
10-24-2005, 10:40 AM
Some parts of their journey included an abundance of elk, bison, deer, and antelope.
The also partied with the Mandans, as well as other tribes.

AtariTeenageSuicide
10-24-2005, 02:02 PM
it would have been great to have lived back in the 1800s.

unfortunately, now the us (and the rest of the world) are being ruined by sprawl and overpopulation.

i regard the us is the most georgraphically inspiring country, while norway is the most beautiful.

on a side note...

i am going to cycle from virginia to the great smokey mountains this summer. hopefully ill be able to post some pictures.

Red
10-24-2005, 02:11 PM
i am going to cycle from virginia to the great smokey mountains this summer. hopefully ill be able to post some pictures.
nice! yes, try and post pics. :nice:

Betty
10-24-2005, 02:34 PM
"Suddenly these hairy, smelly people came down the river in their crummy dugout canoes," Gold joked. "They didn't make much of an impression.

"They were pretty beat up and hungry when they got to the Wasco.
Smelling funky is a given in their line of work. You'd be smelly and ignorant of the customs too if you were in their shoes.

Criminal
10-25-2005, 05:31 AM
Interesting article!

I gotta say, your threads are some of my favorites. So, I guess this means everyone has to stop making fun of Asians eating dogs, right?
And lets not forget about asians eating tigers and lions as aphrodesiacs!
;)

Thanks Rice. I am glad you like my stuff.

Myrddin
10-25-2005, 09:48 AM
I think they mostly eat tiger penis for that :|.

Mystlet
10-26-2005, 02:36 AM
I think they mostly eat tiger penis for that :|.
Funny that,
Apparently the penis isn't working for the tiger anymore...how could it work for a man? :hmm:

ResidentRice
10-26-2005, 07:54 AM
Yeah, there's a lot of that crazy stuff.

But I do have to say, there is something to be said for Asian medicines. Every time my stomach hurts, Pepto and Tums and all that other stuff doesn't do crap for me. But I take these rabbit-turd looking little black medicine things, and I swear it fixes me up every time. And ginseng, I know people who will swear by that stuff.

There was one time I had a bad cough for like 3 or 4 months. My family's not big on going to the doctor... but yeah, it started out as a cold but the cold symptoms went away but I was stuck with the cough, one of those hacking phelgmy coughs. Anyway, my mom ended up taking me to a Chinese herbalist, and I mean, this guy looked freaky. His daughter looked all messed up too. But he just felt my pulse, asked my mom some questions, and put together a bunch of roots and herbs and stuff. I thought it was total malarky, but after a week of drinking the tea that he gave me, the cough was gone. That made me a believer.

And crim, I'm just a history nerd at heart. Got anything good on the Vietnam War? That was my "specialty" back in middle school and high school.

Myrddin
10-26-2005, 10:30 AM
Funny that,
Apparently the penis isn't working for the tiger anymore...how could it work for a man? :hmm:Symbolism, Chinese medicine is full of it. If you dry a tiger penis then give it to somebody to consume NOW that person has the sexual power of a tiger. It is not always just the fur tigers are hunted for but also for the "herbal" medicine and bush-meat trades.

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