Do you believe we are on #30 already? :eek:

So far we have done...

1. Johnny B. Goode
2. Crossroads
3. Sympathy for the Devil
4. All Along the Watchtower
5. Born to be Wild
6. American Woman
7. Paradise City
8. Paranoid
9. Your Original Song #1
10. Day Tripper
11. (Don't Let 'Em) Grind Ya Down
12. Your Original Song #2
13. Hey Joe
14. Mississippi Queen
15. Your Cover Song #1
16. Smoke On The Water
17. Hold Your Head Up
18. Running With The Devil
19. Your Original Song #3 (I am still working on mine )
20. Superstition
21. Cocaine
22.Takin' Care of Business
23.Tomorrow Never Knows
24. Any song from Led Zeppelin II
25. Any song by Pink Floyd
26. Any song by The Who
27. Any Blues Song
28. You Really Got Me
29. Bo Diddley

So now we are doing a song written by Richard Perry, but reinterpreted and immortalized by the Kingsmen called Louie Louie.

Richard Perry's site (http://www.louielouie.net/06-history.htm)

Kingsmen site (http://www.louielouie.org/bandinfo.htm)

er...er... :D
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=278870

I know you wanted me to go first, but I just got done analyzing the structure. :(

4 measures Intro
8 measures Chorus 1
8 measures Verse 1
8 measures Chorus 2
8 measures Verse 2
8 measures Chorus 3
16 measures for the solo (last 4 measures follow the chords - accidental beginning of Verse 3 vocals on second measure before conclusion of this section)
8 measures Verse 3
8 measures Chorus 4
About 5 measures Chorus/ad lib

RedLine, it sounds very big and full, it has an orchestral texture to it. :nice: I can't say I am happy with the drums though. Excellent job and fast!!!

damn..i thought i could get away with it :D my drummer's retarded :eek3:

thanks, man..i fixed them a bit..sorry i jumped, but i've got one floating in my head and wanted to get this out of the way.. :)

Well I got something going; it is a grunge version. I will try to do a vocal track tomorrow I guess. :(

A few seconds of it... (http://deecken.com/jim/SnouterLouieLouie.mp3)

hey..what's up with the kick drum? lol

j/k

that's gonna sound cool, Snouter. i originally tried it alot faster, but couldn't get the vocals to fit/

havent started yet, Im caught up in a vicious battle with a song I was allready doing...

I am trying to verify the controversial lyric situation. This was basing it on lyrics on the net and then changing them to conform to what is actually being sung by Jack Ely. It seems like "we" is used instead of "me" because it flows better, but it is tough to tell.

Chorus:

A-Louie Louie, oh no I said we gotta go
Ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, I said
A-Louie Louie, oh baby I said we gotta go

Verse 1:

A fine little girl was waiting for me
To catch a ship across the sea
We sail that ship about, all alone
We never think how I'll make it home

Chorus:

A-Louie Louie, no, no, no, no I said we gotta go
Oh no, I said
A-Louie Louie, oh baby I said we gotta go

Verse 2:

Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, oh constantly
And on that ship, I dream she's there
I smell the rose ah in her hair.

Chorus:

A-Louie Louie, oh no, I said we gotta go
Ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, I said
A-Louie Louie, oh baby I said we gotta go

Okay, let's give it to 'em, right now!

GUITAR SOLO

Verse 3:

We see...(pause 2 measures then resume - singer jumped in too soon)

We see Jamaica, the moon above
It won't be long, me see me love
To take her in my arms again
I'll tell her I'll never leave again

Chorus:

A-Louie Louie, oh no I said we gotta go
Ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, I said
A-Louie Louie, oh baby I said we gotta go
I said we gotta go now

Let's take it on outa here now

Let's go!

So what's up with doing some acoustic Blues, you are not able to do it, snouter?

Anybody can play "Louie Louie", and it is especially easy to program the chord progression for that, put a lot of guitar effects and jam to it. Any musician I know can do it. The question is, can you pick up a little acoustic guitar, and play/sing some blues like an old Black bluesman?

So what's up with doing some acoustic Blues, you are not able to do it, snouter?

You still think "acoustic blues" is a genre? :p

Anybody can play "Louie Louie"

Are you saying you can do it? That's great. Post your mp3 ASAP.

, and it is especially easy to program the chord progression for that, put a lot of guitar effects and jam to it.

Who programs the chord progression? I don't think anyone does any programming of guitars and bass tracks. What made you think that?

If it is easy to select appropriate effects and jam if you know how, which apparently you don't. :(

Any musician I know can do it.

:bs: In that case, since you consider yourself a musician, you should be able to do it.

The question is, can you pick up a little acoustic guitar, and play/sing some blues like an old Black bluesman?

I can use my Variax to get acoustic tones, but why would I or anyone want to sing like an old Black musician? That is some of the must painful material to listen to; how the British guys salvaged some of it is a miracle. But if you were creative and intelligent, you could easily apply the Delta Blues style (which is just open chord blues in the key of E and A) to the song Louie Louie. If you are unable to do that maybe we can make a remedial "special ed type" Guitar Combat, since you are constantly unable to compete in the songs. :p

You still think "acoustic blues" is a genre?

Delta-Blues is, and call it whatever you want but can you play it? I guess not. :(

Are you saying you can do it? That's great. Post your mp3 ASAP.

I could do it, but I don't really have the time to do (good) recordings right now, maybe next weekend or something, I don't even have recording equipment at my house. But it doesn't mean I couldn't play three chords and jam to it all I want ;)

Who programs the chord progression? I don't think anyone does any programming of guitars and bass tracks. What made you think that?

So who plays drums, bass (and I think keyboards) on all of your recordings>? Do you actually play all of these instruments without ANY programing, even the drums? I know I do on all the 3 songs I posted so far, or I used other musicians on some instruments. I do however do guitar, bass, and keyboards by myself usually.

If it is easy to select appropriate effects and jam if you know how, which apparently you don't.

I like to mess around with effects occasionally for fun, but just like Jimi, Eric and SRV, I usually limit myself with a bit of distortion and sometimes wa-wa pedal.

I don't like hiding behind the effects because it covers up the player's lack of ability to play clean, with a lot of soul, energy and make certain sounds and effects naturally without tecnology. It's kind of like make-up, when it makes you look better than you really are, but it still looks fake.

No, I don't care how good or bad I am as a player, but I'm REAL, I don't need modern technology to make me sound good, because that's not what musicianship is about AT ALL.

Just like I hate using keyboards effects, other than maybe hammond organ, it makes me sick, and I'd rather just play normal piano that synthisizer sh!t, and use a REAL drummer (or even play mediocre drums by myself) before I use programmed drums or drum machines or whatever.

In that case, since you consider yourself a musician, you should be able to do it.

I've played this song live before, when I was really really drunk :D .

But when it comes to 1960's bands, I would much rather cover songs by The Animals, Rolling Stones, Kinks and Grateful dead.

I can use my Variax to get acoustic tones,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

No faking BS!! It's like a girl saying "I'm just gonna get fake boobs and look like Pamela Anderson" :rolleyes:

I said earlier, NO TECHNOLOGY, just pure honest musicianship on a REAL acoustic guitar and vocals (you can also play harmonica if you want, I don't care, I would too but I'm not that great on harmonica).

Do you even own an acoustic guitar?

I mean, what kind of a musician are you? I know people who can't even play a chord and yet own an acoustic guitar.

Or are you afraid to go naked without all the effects and computer programs? C'mon Snouter, I thought you were better than most of my "guitar heros"...even Bob Dylan (who is NOT a guitar hero, although not bad at all either) can pick up an acoustic and play some nice old blues or folk just by himself...can't you?

OH NO, Snouter, what went wrong? :p

but why would I or anyone want to sing like an old Black musician?

I don't know Snouter, have you ever asked Eric Clapton, Joe Bonamassa (ever heard his "Blues Deluxe" album?), Peter Green, or Kenny Wayne Shepherd or for the matter of fact any good or great Blues guitarist?

Also Elvis Presley got his first recording deal because he sounded like an old Black musician. Even a redneck like Ted Nugent is always bragging about great Black R&B musicians telling him that he plays guitar like a Black man.

And the question is not why would you want to, but can you? :p
I don't think you got the feeling, the ability or musicianship for anything like that, and the fact that you are running away from that suggests so even more.

Of course it is a whole lot easier to program a 12-bar blues rock on the computer, put on a bunch of guitar effects and weird sounds and jam on it all night and believe that you are actually as good or better than Jimi Hendrix. But it's hardly productive.

That is some of the must painful material to listen to; how the British guys salvaged some of it is a miracle. But if you were creative and intelligent, you could easily apply the Delta Blues style (which is just open chord blues in the key of E and A) to the song Louie Louie.

Delta Blues is NOT always in open chords, and it is done in just about ever key. What do you even know about delta blues?

The British guys often sounded MUCH WORSE than original Bluesmen, that's why the phrase "White boys can't play the blues" was born :D . However, some bands did do it as good or better, and I'm talking about early Stones, Animals, occasionally Yardbirds and Zeppelin. And besides, why would these people even bother listening and admiring/respecting it if it was a horrible music the first place? I wanna know.

I guess I could do "Louie Louie" delta style, but it wouldn't sound right...I was thinking of doing a reggae version of that actually.

But as far as Delta-Blues is concerned, I'd much rather send my recordings of either "Love In Vain", or a "Crossroads" acoustic jam I've recorded.

If you are unable to do that maybe we can make a remedial "special ed type" Guitar Combat, since you are constantly unable to compete in the songs.

Laugh all you want, but are YOU ready to compete with me on my terms that I've listed before? YES or NO?

Oki found my idea to be interesting and if Redline is interested too I'll send my files to him and we can do a "Delta-Blues guitar combat".

HERE (http://deecken.com/jim/lou.mp3) is a special remedial Guitar Combat for Ganja to help give him ideas on how easy it is to incorprorate Delta Blues style for Louie Louie.

I think it is mildly amusing since it is one of the few times I have tried to sing and play at the same time, but should be taken seriously by Ganja in order for him to learn. :jester:

HERE is a special remedial Guitar Combat for Ganja to help give him ideas on how easy it is to incorprorate Delta Blues style for Louie Louie.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! I hope you are only kidding, it wasn't actually your best singing/playing of delta blues, right LOL.

Thanks for the laugh, but if THAT is delta blues, then Robert Johnson, Son House and Blind Willie McTell are something else, because it sure as f#ck doesn't sound anything like them or anybody who played delta blues.

And if that was how they sang and played guitar, believe me, I would be agreeing with you 100% :p But fourtunately that's totaly not the case, and Snouter, I never expected you to actually be better than B.B. King or Bo Diddley as you claim to be, but I definately thought you could play the blues 100 times better than THAT :mad: C'mon, stop being lazy, why don't you do some REAL blues, yeah, I know it's hard and we hate to admit it, but what can we do? Just stop talking sh!t about blues masters and start learning...now get to work and come up with something real.

Delta-Blues obviously doesn't work on Louie louie very well, neither musically nor lyrically, and it more sounds like a british folk song from 1700 the way you try to do it. Nor do Led Zeppelin riffs work well here either, you might wanna think of something else. Also, as I said earlier USE THE ACOUSTIC guitar, not electric with effects to sound like a dobro or whatever. Don't you have an acoustic guitar? Oh yeah, and you might wanna work on the rhythm-lead style when it comes to Delta-Blues, it's much more complicated than that, and also the vocals...you gotta sing with soul and feelings, not just say words. I'm no great singer by any means, but I use all I got, you need to try harder.

I think it is mildly amusing since it is one of the few times I have tried to sing and play at the same time, but should be taken seriously by Ganja in order for him to learn.

I definately believe you about it being one of the few times you sang and played at the same time, and you need to start learning, try harder and stop being a clown. I'm only trying to help you use your abilities the best you can.

I'm no Eric Clapton, but to say that I should learn from that and take it seriously...haha...well, wait 'till you hear what I got :cool:

just post it man.

I hate doing these type of response, and since I don't know what he is responding to in this window, I am not sure what he is talking about, but here goes...

Delta-Blues is, and call it whatever you want but can you play it?

Well Delta Blues is Delta Blues damnit. There is no genre called "Acoustic Blues." :mad:

I could do it,

Okay, but where is the proof? :confused:

.. but I don't really have the time to do (good) recordings right now,

It took me less than 5 minutes to do the Louie Louie Delta style to help you get started. Why don't you have time? :(

maybe next weekend or something, I don't even have recording equipment at my house.

:rofl: You have a computer don't you? :rolleyes: Excuses can only get you so far.

But it doesn't mean I couldn't play three chords and jam to it all I want

That the spirit. Now get an electric guitar or a mic to record your acoustic and get recording. :)

So who plays drums, bass (and I think keyboards) on all of your recordings>?

I play the bass. I use Smart Loops for the drums. They are acid loops that must be physically arranged once I figure out the song structure.

Do you actually play all of these instruments without ANY programing, even the drums?

The drums are acid loops by session drummer Frank Basile.

I know I do on all the 3 songs I posted so far, or I used other musicians on some instruments. I do however do guitar, bass, and keyboards by myself usually.

That is impressive. :rolleyes: Where is your own website to check out the Guitar Combat songs?

I like to mess around with effects occasionally for fun, but just like Jimi, Eric and SRV, I usually limit myself with a bit of distortion and sometimes wa-wa pedal.

:rofl: You need to do some research. Jimi used effects extensively, SRV of course used the Ibanez Tube Screamer and Jimi's old Wah Wah if I am not mistaken.

I don't like hiding behind the effects because it covers up the player's lack of ability to play clean, with a lot of soul, energy and make certain sounds and effects naturally without tecnology.

On the contrary, clean tones are relevent, but effects allow the artist to express much, much more than a clean tone.

It's kind of like make-up, when it makes you look better than you really are, but it still looks fake.

It sounds like you think people are better than you because they use effects. :( I must say your insecurity is justified since it seems I can kick your ass if we were to engage in a Guitar Center Guitarmageddon competition and obviously Guitar Combat competitions since you are too cowardly to participate even after 30 songs.

No, I don't care how good or bad I am as a player, but I'm REAL, I don't need modern technology to make me sound good, because that's not what musicianship is about AT ALL.

You are clueless. Play Paranoid using a clean setting!

Just like I hate using keyboards effects, other than maybe hammond organ, it makes me sick, and I'd rather just play normal piano that synthisizer sh!t, and use a REAL drummer (or even play mediocre drums by myself) before I use programmed drums or drum machines or whatever.

Then you have issues. Some of the coolest, emotional, uplifting tones are created by synths.

I've played this song live before, when I was really really drunk/

That is impressive. :rolleyes:

But when it comes to 1960's bands, I would much rather cover songs by The Animals, Rolling Stones, Kinks and Grateful dead.

The Grateful Dead? :p Where did that come from? I didn't know you liked the Dead. But, you can't even do Louie Louie for us, and you think we believe you can do China Cat for us? :rolleyes: By the way, stop implying Animals did much more than a couple of British traditional folk song based hits. It makes you sound more moronic than usual.

I don't know Snouter, have you ever asked Eric Clapton, Joe Bonamassa (ever heard his "Blues Deluxe" album?), Peter Green, or Kenny Wayne Shepherd or for the matter of fact any good or great Blues guitarist?

About what? I did hear that Joe liked Clapton's work with Cream much more than tha lazy ass crap he came out with afterword. He says that in an interview on his website.


I don't think you got the feeling, the ability or musicianship for anything like that, and the fact that you are running away from that suggests so even more.

Let's get it on punk. :p

Of course it is a whole lot easier to program a 12-bar blues rock on the computer, put on a bunch of guitar effects and weird sounds and jam on it all night..

I guess I should be flattered that you think my work is so good that it is computer generated. But again, none of it is computer generated. I play all the instruments and the drums are acid loops by session drummer Frank Basile. Acid loops are wav files of recording of Frank and these must be selected and assembled measure by measure. Also, there might be an exception, but I make a point of doing each and every guitar and bass track from start to finish for the whole song without going back and doing any editing. So I guess you have more reason to feel insecure Ganja. :(

Delta Blues is NOT always in open chords, and it is done in just about ever key. What do you even know about delta blues?

More than you apparently.

I'm no Eric Clapton,

Oh really? :rolleyes: :rofl:

Well Delta Blues is Delta Blues damnit. There is no genre called "Acoustic Blues."

You asked me earlier if you could mess around with other styles within delta blues, and I said it's fine as long as it's still acoustic. What's your problem?

Okay, but where is the proof?

I don't have a recording program on my computer, it's not very good either.

It took me less than 5 minutes to do the Louie Louie Delta style to help you get started. Why don't you have time?

1. No recording program on my computer.
2. I'm talking about doing a decent job here, not a parody of English folk songs, lol. :p

I play the bass. I use Smart Loops for the drums. They are acid loops that must be physically arranged once I figure out the song structure.

You see, I'd rather use a real drummer or no drums at all than loops. Not that I have a "drum looping program" anyways.

That is impressive. Where is your own website to check out the Guitar Combat songs?

I don't have a website with music. My music is on Redline's website.

You need to do some research. Jimi used effects extensively, SRV of course used the Ibanez Tube Screamer and Jimi's old Wah Wah if I am not mistaken.

Jimi hardly used effects, at least not as much as people like Satriani or Vai.

On stage, he would use even less, and SRV would often play 100% clean on stage.

On the contrary, clean tones are relevent, but effects allow the artist to express much, much more than a clean tone.

Sometimes, but it still doesn't add to one's musicianship. Whatever Jimi did worked excellent for him, but most guitarist who over use effects often sound fake and overproduced and in my opinion it often ruins the music.

It sounds like you think people are better than you because they use effects. I must say your insecurity is justified since it seems I can kick your ass if we were to engage in a Guitar Center Guitarmageddon competition and obviously Guitar Combat competitions since you are too cowardly to participate even after 30 songs.

Not to bragg about myself (since I do NOT consider myself a great guitarist), quite a few profesional great musicians, if not famous, have praised my guitar work. What's your resume?

You are clueless. Play Paranoid using a clean setting!

I can play it acoustic if I want to. Then again distortion alone is hardly a lot of effects.

Then you have issues. Some of the coolest, emotional, uplifting tones are created by synths.

I hate electronic music for the most part, it really has no soul, most of it. Plus, no synthisizer player actually has the musicianship like great piano players like T-Monk or Oscar Peterson for instance. I'd rather play like great jazz/blues pianists, as well as some rock and roll players such as Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis.

The Grateful Dead? Where did that come from? I didn't know you liked the Dead.

Sure I do.

But, you can't even do Louie Louie for us, and you think we believe you can do China Cat for us?

I've actually been in a few GD cover bands, and yes I've played with them "China Cat" and every other song you know by them, both on piano and guitar, but I kind of got bored with doing only that, although I still cover a song by them on occasion...next question...

By the way, stop implying Animals did much more than a couple of British traditional folk song based hits. It makes you sound more moronic than usual.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Where do I start...

1. "House Of The Rising Sun" is an old blues song, originally done by Leadbelly I think.

2. "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" is another song written by an old forgotten black bluesman (I think), which was originally done by Jazz/R&B singer Nina Simone.

3. All of their other hits were their originals.

4. Eric Burdon is one of the greatest blues-rock singers ever lived according to most knowledgble music fans and musicians. Can you say the same about your heros?

About what?

Ohhh, so you don't know nothing about their covers of Robert Johnson, often done in original delta style, as well as the fact that their roots are deep in the delta blues, which they often talk about. Hello, where have you been?

I did hear that Joe liked Clapton's work with Cream much more than tha lazy ass crap he came out with afterword. He says that in an interview on his website.

Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy and B.B. King are his favorite and most influential guitarists. I also like Cream more than most Clapton's solo, and he's still the best guitarist today, and Cream's reunion DVD arguably proves that nobody other than Hendrix can even touch him, despite me believing earlier that Beck, Page and SRV were on his level.

Let's get it on punk.

So where's your delta-blues song? I'm sure you can do something better than "Louie Louie" acoustic attempt, right :p

I guess I should be flattered that you think my work is so good that it is computer generated. But again, none of it is computer generated. I play all the instruments and the drums are acid loops by session drummer Frank Basile. Acid loops are wav files of recording of Frank and these must be selected and assembled measure by measure. Also, there might be an exception, but I make a point of doing each and every guitar and bass track from start to finish for the whole song without going back and doing any editing. So I guess you have more reason to feel insecure Ganja.

And you can't play/sing an acoustic blues song after all that? :confused:

If anyone is reading this, please do not let the ravings of Ganja prevent you from participating. This is a friendly forum to learn and experiment and improve your skills.

In fact, I am going to do the lead for Louie Louie using a synth effect on the PODxt because it is going to drive Ganja into a comatose state. :)

If anyone is reading this, please do not let the ravings of Ganja prevent you from participating. This is a friendly forum to learn and experiment and improve your skills.

LOL...that's why I'm challenging you to actually do something more difficult than just the most simple Classic Rock songs (although great songs, even "Louie Louie", no doubt about it), but anybody can play "Louie Louie", not eveybody can play/sing delta-blues, obviously not you Snouter :p

In fact, I am going to do the lead for Louie Louie using a synth effect on the PODxt because it is going to drive Ganja into a comatose state.

Wrong again, it's just not gonna sound all that great, nor would it show to us how skilled you are as a musician. Hell, you're not even skilled enough to piss me off :p

Why don't you at least try to play a nice clean solo, you know, kind of like the guitarist from Kingsmen, he ain't no Eric Clapton, but he does do a nice little solo, you can't even do that, can you?

Obviously you are not able to sing while playing the acoustic, since you refuse to do an acoustic blues song...I mean what do you do during your concerts? Do you sing one song without playing and then play another song without singing?

I'm trying to help you use whatever talent you got the best you can, challenge you to do something harder, you know.

Richard Perry

Richard Perry's site

LOL, it's Richard Berry. Of course you have heard the original version too, right? :p

Damnit. Here we go again...And good catch with the typo, do you want me to list all your typos of which there are many? :rolleyes:

LOL...that's why I'm challenging you to actually do something more difficult than just the most simple Classic Rock songs (although great songs, even "Louie Louie", no doubt about it), but anybody can play "Louie Louie", not eveybody can play/sing delta-blues, obviously not you Snouter.

:rofl: You are so full of :bs: Delta Blues is not difficult. It is simply doing some very easy riffs, usually just a hammer on and pull off on the second part of the third beat in each measure. This is in either E or A, but usually E because that offers more freedom to riff. Louie Louie of course is in A. I gave you a demonstration to help you and it took all of 5 minutes. :p It would have been even easier in E though. :(

Wrong again, it's just not gonna sound all that great, nor would it show to us how skilled you are as a musician. Hell, you're not even skilled enough to piss me off

You thought that my rhythm and bass were so good they were computer generated. I can obviously can kick your ass all the way home. :p

Why don't you at least try to play a nice clean solo, you know, kind of like the guitarist from Kingsmen, he ain't no Eric Clapton, but he does do a nice little solo, you can't even do that, can you?

I could play it clean, but that would be boring and not progressive.

The question is why can't you do any song of the 30 Guitar Combats that are far more difficult to do than ridiculously simple Delta Blues?

Obviously you are not able to sing while playing the acoustic, since you refuse to do an acoustic blues song...I mean what do you do during your concerts? Do you sing one song without playing and then play another song without singing?

Check out my WEBSITE (http://deecken.com/jim/). I am only standing in front of a mic during karaoke! :p But that is technically not a concert. :( At open mic nights, I just play guitar. Are you even old enough to know what an open mic night is? :p

Now stop wasting bandwidth and either post an mp3 of your version or shut up and accept that your ass got kicked for the 30th time! :D

You are so full of Delta Blues is not difficult. It is simply doing some very easy riffs, usually just a hammer on and pull off on the second part of the third beat in each measure.

ARe you kidding me...obviously you know NOTHING about Delta Blues. I think that the only "Delta-Blues" you know is whatever Allman Brothers and Cream covered by Robert Johnson and Blind Willie McTell. You know nothing about the music of the origina blues masters, and don't pretend otherwise. If not, then how many delta-blues albums have you ever owned, and what are they?

I gave you a demonstration to help you and it took all of 5 minutes.

Yeah, and not only it sucked really really bad, but it wasn't even Delta Blues at all. More like a poor, badly performed English folk song from the 1700's. I believe even you can do A WHOLE LOT better than that in fact. C'mon, that's not Blues, can't you do something better than that in Delta Blues style since it's so incredibly easy?

You thought that my rhythm and bass were so good they were computer generated. I can obviously can kick your ass all the way home.

Actually, I think that computer generated is NOT good and doesn't have soul, but your playing is actually very good for a non-profesional, occasionally excellent, to give the devil his due. And not trying to bragg about myself, but if I were you I wouldn't be SO SURE about kickin' my ass on guitar...when Johnny Winter's cousin saw me playing live he came to me in the middle of my set just to tell me that he haven't heard anybody play Muddy Waters songs like that since his cousin, his question was "where the f#ck did you learn to play like that, like my cousin"...I asked "who's your cousin", lol, although by his looks I was already guessing the right answer. He is also a pro-sax player and have played with both Johnny and Edgar.

I could play it clean, but that would be boring and not progressive.

Ohhh, just say you can't do it, let's be honest :p Also, since you don't even have an acoustic guitar, I find it VERY HARD to believe that you can play clean as good as you say you can.

The question is why can't you do any song of the 30 Guitar Combats that are far more difficult to do than ridiculously simple Delta Blues?

Again, I have no recording equipment or computer program, nor the time to go to some of my friend's houses to record.

But let's see:

Johnny B. Goode
Crossroads
All Along the Watchtower
Cocaine
Takin' Care of Business

I do them every or nearly every show I play, lol.


"Sympathy for the Devil" I used to do with one of my ex-bands.

Born to be Wild
American Woman
Day Tripper
Hey Joe
Smoke On The Water
Superstition
Tomorrow Never Knows
You Really Got Me
Bo Diddley
Louie Louie

I've played them all before, still do on occasions.

The rest I never played live, but I do know how to play them, I don't neccesary like them all a lot, but I can play them, as can any decent musician. It is NOT harder than Delta-Blues.

Check out my WEBSITE. I am only standing in front of a mic during karaoke! But that is technically not a concert. At open mic nights, I just play guitar. Are you even old enough to know what an open mic night is?

LOL, I started with open mics, and graduated from them very very quickly :cool:

Usually I never do them anymore, unless I'm getting really drunk at the bar and have a lot of friends around me who pressure me into getting up on the stage. In fact, I rarely play free shows these days, and most of the times I don't play for under $200 a night. However I do play as long as they want me too, even sometimes for 4-5 hours, and I haven't yet disapointed nobody with my show, besides this one dude once who wanted to hear INXS and Depeche Mode songs, which I refused to do and everybody else in the audience told him to just shuttup. :p

Now stop wasting bandwidth and either post an mp3 of your version or shut up and accept that your ass got kick for the 30th time!

I already e-mailed Redline about that, and if he gives me the permision to send him the files, I will do so as soon as possible. Where is your delta-blues song?

heres mine:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=322740
Ive really tried to do a delta blues version. not sure if it sounds anything like it though.

oki, did you sample a vocal on your keyboard and use other high tech equipment. Damnit :mad: ;) Instead of Delta, it was more like the waters of the Mississippi near Wisconson; pretty cool. I enjoyed it. :nice:

Hey Ganja, don't even think for a minute that anyone here is naive enough to think you somehow "win" because nobody is avoiding your "challenge." Granted you helped inspire me to start Guitar Combat as an initial challenge to you which you repeated failed to meet (30 times I think), this forum is for friendly exchange of musical ideas. You will not be allowed to convert it into your usually infantile, ignorant and belligerent idiocy found on the other forums. Just because you failed 30 times to meet the challenge everyone agreed upon doesn't mean we change the rules for you. But in the future we will select a Delta Blues song and participants will do it anyway they want. Music is about freedom, experimenting, and learning new things; not being stuck, stangnant in some idiotic, infantile phase like you.

oki and RedLine and any other potential participants, I hope to have my mp3 complete by tonight. 'Dem vocals ain't easy. But I did a quick guitar lead using a synth effect. :cool:

I tried to do it acoustic but this came out. no idea what happened :(

oki..does the original file sound like that? if not, try re-uploading it..mine did that weird thing once too.

http://deecken.com/jim/LouieLouie.jpg (http://www.deecken.com/jim)

The link forces you to check out a slightly better organized website. I am still going to get rid of the banners, but they are so fun to do I had to do another. :cool:

There is one drum track, one bass track, one guitar track, and two vocal tracks. During the solo with the syth effect an acoustic guitar track is added and continues until the end. A lead guitar track is added on the final verse.

oki, do you have another version?

oki..does the original file sound like that? if not, try re-uploading it..mine did that weird thing once too. nah I was kidding... its supposed to suck like that. :)
oki, do you have another version? no. well I can see why this one doesnt qualify.. :( okay Ill try a better one in teh coming days. one with actual guitar parts.

snouter, cool guitar effect on the lead, in yours. and for the rest, it just rocks, well done. good to hear you sing again.

redline, yours is great too. I kind of like the drums, actually.

Thanks oki, I used a synth effect on the PODxt Live modelled after a Moog for the lead. :cool:

great guitar work, as usual, Snouter :nice: it has a sort of Van Halen feel to it..well, up to the solo..sorry, oki :p i also like the neat switch before the verse, nice original effect! :nice:

redline, yours is great too. I kind of like the drums, actually.

thanks,oki :D the drums are on version 3.0... :p

Thanks RedLine. :) I guess a heavier solo would fit better, but I guess I was thinking of Emerson, Lake and Palmer's From The Beginning and Lucky Man style of acoustic guitar in the background contrasting with the synthesizer in the foreground during those 16 measures of lead space.

Good job Snouter, the real Louie Louie version was very nice:nice:

It would be even better without the synth effect and there was little too much distortion on the guitar for this song, but I still enjoyed it, and I think you played lead guitar very good, and it did rock. Other things you might wanna consider is turning the vocals WAY up and without the echo either...I used to do the same thing (just like in that my original song "Force To Be Your Angel" that I posted for earlier guitar combat), but it works much better without it :)

why would I or anyone want to sing like an old Black musician? OMG! Sorry Snouter, but it sounds as if you are trying to build a church without an altar. :bowrofl:

G! Sorry Snouter, but it sounds as if you are trying to build a church without an altar.

LOL, I agree, and the funny thing is that he worships the same people that admire old blues at least as much as I do. How can one admire Led Zeppelin and Joe Bonamassa without appreciating and respecting old blues, is beyond me. It's basically like admiring Aerosmith without giving The Rolling Stones any credit, or being a Ricky Nelson fan while not giving Elvis Presley credit. I wonder how many music history books has Snouter ever read :p

Hey Snouter, I'm still waiting on your acoustic blues song...don't worry, as long as you really do your best, I'll praise you for the effort, even if you "ain't got the blues", you just gotta try, and if you believe that "Louie Louie" (which you did well) is a harder song to play, I'm sure that won't be a huge problem for you, right?

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=322740

my second version, this time with actual guitars.:)

Cool Version oki. Much better than the previous version. The overall composition was very consolidated sounding. :nice:

Where is Ganja's version? :mad: Go ahead and post a version Ganja or I am going to do a roadtrip down to the College of William and Mary and beat a version of Louie Louie out of you. :mad:

Where is Ganja's version? Go ahead and post a version Ganja

I was very busy playing concerts lately, nor do I have recording equipment on my compter as I said 100 times before. I would have to go over one of my friend's house, and he doesn't really always have time either, so I can't use every chance I get to record random songs for guitar combats, but rather stuff that I really have to record.

However if you post you delta-blues song in my guitar combat, I would consider doing some arrangements and recording Louie Louie even if it's really out of my way. Snouter, if I had recording programs at home like you do, I would have every one of the 30 songs posted here.

And where is your version, I know you don't have any excuses (besides not having an acoustic guitar) not to do it, do you :p ?

or I am going to do a roadtrip down to the College of William and Mary and beat a version of Louie Louie out of you.

You are more than wecolme to come down to Virginia and see me play anytime. I rarely play inside the college or even in Williamsburg, but I do play gigs every week within an hour or two away usually. If you do come to my show, I will have no problem playing "Louie Louie" or any other song you want.

By the way, as far as the next guitar combat is concerned...how about we do "Hard To Handle", I'm sure you don't like the original version (assuming you even know who wrote it or ever heard it at all :p ) but it was covered by The Black Crows and by Grateful Dead, and since you like the Dead so much, I thought it could be a good idea. I already have an acoustic version of that. Or maybe another original song? Or "any instrumental jam" possibly? Let me know if you're interested.

You play gigs with an acoustic guitar? :confused: Any song I want, eh? :p I can't even get you to do a repeating three chord thing like Louie Louie, but have some of the better known Nazz songs ready. :rolleyes:

Honestly, unless you really impressed me, I would probably be tempted to smash your acoustic guitar over your head, fling you into the crowd and then plug in an electric electric and crank it up and kick out the jams. :p

By the way, as far as the next guitar combat is concerned...how about we do "Hard To Handle."

That will be taken under consideration for future reference. But speaking of three chord, well actually four chord (G-D-Am7 and G-D-C), songs, Ultimate-Guitar.com is considering doing Knockin' On Heaven's Door. I will probably do that and try to make something interesting out of that boring song. Hopefully RedLine and oki will do a version and post it up at UG. I don't think it is finalized though.

I could definetly mess that one up completely. :)

You play gigs with an acoustic guitar?

Of course I do. As it is now, it's only me singing and playing acoustic (including most of the lead guitar), and another guy playing acoustic guitar. However, I do bring my electric guitar too, and sometimes when I wanna show off or go crazy, I play a set with my electric, however the show is still acoustic, and I always play with clean sound, without ANY effects, unless I play with a drummer and bass player.

REAL guitarists know how to play acoustic gutiar, snouter, because that shows how good you REALLY are. :p

Any song I want, eh? I can't even get you to do a repeating three chord thing like Louie Louie, but have some of the better known Nazz songs ready.

Just because I'm not able to record music on my computer doesn't mean that I can't play it all live, lol.

I've played classical (piano), Jazz (older and newer), Blues (all kinds, not just 12-bar blues-rock :p ), Folk, Bluegrass, Reggae, Funk, R&B, Jam-band music..."Louie Louie" is really easy, lol...I've been in Grateful Dead & Phish cover bands...and even that got me bored after a couple of months.

As for Nazz, I haven't heard them in a while...how about 13th Floor Elevators, who used to be one of my favorite bands actually.

Honestly, unless you really impressed me,

Hmmm...despite being only 21 years old and being very new to the music business...I've already impressed Elvis' relatives and best friends, quite a few great and/or famous musicains, most people who come see me play or heard my demo cds, and obviously the owners of the places where I play since they wouldn't be paying me a couple of hundreds $ for every night if they didn't like what I do that much. :p So, I am hardly worried about not impressing you, unless of course you really are the guitar hero that sometimes you indicate you are, being better than King, Diddley, Berry and Hendrix, then it's a different story, after all how would I (or anybody else) impress somebody who actually is better than Hendrix, or even the other guitar heros???? :jester:

I would probably be tempted to smash your acoustic guitar over your head,

LOL, I'm sure you would...just when you start thinking you're greater than blues masters and even Hendrix...you see that you aren't even able to play the blues like this non-famous Jewish kid...if I were you I'd be mad too :p

fling you into the crowd

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, I do have fans (and people that admire me as a musician), some even got into fights over my CD's before, lol...and especially if they have a couple of drinks...before you try anything negative like that at my show, I would suggest making an appointment at the hospital in advance...emergency room too :p

and then plug in an electric electric and crank it up and kick out the jams.

If you can't even compete with me on acoustic (and you still refuse recording an acoustic blues, why?), what chance do you have on electric? :p

And since you are planning to take over my gig, I can assume that you know enough song to play VERY WELL live for over 3 hours, right, that means all kinds of music too, since that what makes the crowd generally like you, and you got all the shomanship abilities that can make the show interesting, right? Well, if so, why can't you even record a little f#ckin' blues song using just vocals and guitar, since that what you would be doing for 3 hours if you were to play my gig. :confused:

That will be taken under consideration for future reference.

Since you like Grateful Dead you should do a version inspired by their cover, most people will probably use Black Crows version, and I already have one recorded which is mostly inspired by the original, and yes, acoustic too.

But speaking of three chord, well actually four chord (G-D-Am7 and G-D-C), songs, Ultimate-Guitar.com is considering doing Knockin' On Heaven's Door. I will probably do that and try to make something interesting out of that boring song. Hopefully RedLine and oki will do a version and post it up at UG. I don't think it is finalized though.

Great song, I often do it live, and people usually love it.

oki and RedLine, and anyone else interested, there is a Knockin' On Heaven's Door song competition being setup at Ultimate Guitar. The deadline is the end of the month. I think they need a link posted at the following thread. Then when everyone's is in, they will set up a new thread with voting.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279249

So we will have to do a different song for the next Guitar Combat.

Louie Louie is one of my all-time favorites. (like anyone gives a ****)
I love the old stuff - I know the old stuff.
And Freebird, yeah, the acoustic was so important, and still is.
CSNY, Yes, Pink Floyd, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, on and on and on....A lot of classics wouldn't be classics without the acoustic.

I hope you - Freebird and Snouter - get together one day. You're only slapping hands for the helluvit. I think you 2 would really have a great time together and like each other.
(like anyone gives a **** what I think :p )
Still - there is the word from the Eremite, whether you listen or not.

oki and RedLine, and anyone else interested, there is a Knockin' On Heaven's Door song competition being setup at Ultimate Guitar. The deadline is the end of the month. I think they need a link posted at the following thread. Then when everyone's is in, they will set up a new thread with voting.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279249

So we will have to do a different song for the next Guitar Combat.Ill do it.

So we will have to do a different song for the next Guitar Combat.

Some possible suggestions:

1. "Hard To Handle"- Otis Redding's great song, covered by Black Crows and Grateful Dead.

2. Original song with political/social messages. I got AT LEAST 2 of them, and I'm sure Snouter could write a funny song about politically-correct-anracho-marxists and insane-filthy-islamo-facist-liberal-illegal-invaders, or something like that :p I think it could be very very fun for everybody.

3. Non-political original song.

4. Any live jam, to any chord progression.

What do you think?

...the acoustic was so important, and still is.

Acoustic is great. Not only do many rock songs sound great with an acoustic track incorporated in, some of my favorite guitar geniuses play acoustics as their primary instrument like Adrian Legg, Monte Montgomery, even Al Di Meola, Larry Coryell, and John McLaughlin and other masters play them for certain material.

In my version of Knockin' On Heaven's Door, I am using an acoustic 12 string, an electric 12 string, and a hollow bodied 6 string electric for the guitar tracks. I do them all by changing the models on my Variax guitar and the amp configurations on my PODxt to match each specific guitar appropriately. :cool:

Ganja, your suggestions have been taken under consideration, but will probably be rejected. As stated many times, the exercise known as Guitar Combat is for new recordings of important songs relevent in developing a good background in guitar oriented music, and that are good enough to be recognizable if played at an open mic night or other public venue. The fact that you are not cooperating and not doing new recordings has preventing you from learning the most basic fundamentals of digital recording that most musicians know in this day and age.

but will probably be rejected.

:confused:

What makes you think that everybody, besides you, will absolutely reject these ideas? It sure didn't happen during my last Blues guitar combat :p

As stated many times, the exercise known as Guitar Combat is for new recordings of important songs relevent in developing a good background in guitar oriented music, and that are good enough to be recognizable if played at an open mic night or other public venue.

"Hard To Handle" is in my experience the best song to play at open mic, because everybody loves it, and at least whenever I've played it, I get the whole crowd singing the chorus to that.

It's also not very hard to play, although could be hard to sing (and since I'm not much of a singer myself, I'm not being unfair to anybody either), and it could be interesting to hear different versions, since it has been covered a lot.

What's the problem with it? Or are you just afraid you can't do it?


Also, what's wrong with original songs guitar combat?

Feel free to knock my knockin' song. I posted the link to the UG competition and apparently I am the first to get a version up there.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279249

http://deecken.com/jim/KOHD.jpg (http://www.deecken.com/jim)

Feel free to knock my knockin' song. I posted the link to the UG competition and apparently I am the first to get a version up there.

:nice: Very nicel!!

Interesting version, your vocals got better, and a nice guitar solo overall.

Are you ready for another "Original Song" guitar combat, or "Hard To Handle"?