"It's endangering our community many of these people are not qualified they don't have experience they are not part of the government as taxpayers we are asking the government. As taxpayers we are asking the government to do their job this not a solution for illegal immigration," said Anibal Olague of the Border Fair Housing organization.

link (http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/5075072/detail.html?rss=elp&psp=news)

I support the Minutemen.

They are doing a job that our country refuses to do.

"It's endangering our community many of these people are not qualified they don't have experience they are not part of the government as taxpayers we are asking the government. As taxpayers we are asking the government to do their job this not a solution for illegal immigration," said Anibal Olague of the Border Fair Housing organization.

link (http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/5075072/detail.html?rss=elp&psp=news)

Is the Neighborhood Watch qualified, Jojo?

Is the Neighborhood Watch qualified, Jojo?

Qualified for what?

Duties of an official Federal Border Patrol agent?

Of course not silly. :|

Qualified for what?

Duties of an official Federal Border Patrol agent?

Of course not silly. :|

They're not doing the Border Patrol job silly. They're lounging around in garden chairs with binocs, walkie-talkie and a cold one. They see people who get their back wet, they radio in. Are you saying that is what the Border Patrol does?

My proposal:

They're not doing the Border Patrol job silly. They're lounging around in garden chairs with binocs, walkie-talkie and a cold one. They see people who get their back wet, they radio in.

I'm glad to see we agree.

Are you saying that is what the Border Patrol does?

Not at all. And it is a good thing. Proper training and official status is quite important when representing the people of the United States, which is what our border patrol does.

Personally, I have no desire to be represented by some unofficial beer chugging, lawn chair sitting, binocular wearing, arm chair patriot looking for attention.

I'm glad to see we agree.



Not at all. And it is a good thing. Proper training and official status is quite important when representing the people of the United States, which is what our border patrol does.

Personally, I have no desire to be represented by some unofficial beer chugging, lawn chair sitting, binocular wearing, arm chair patriot looking for attention.

Again, do you think the Neighborhood Watch should not be doing the job of policemen?

Again, do you think the Neighborhood Watch should not be doing the job of policemen?
Yes. I think the Neighborhood Watch should not do the job of the police.

What's your point?

Yes. I think the Neighborhood Watch should not do the job of the police.

What's your point?

Wait a minute.

I meant to ask, should the Neighborhood Watch program be disbanded?

Anibal Olague of the Border Fair Housing organization.

He sounds like a racist trying to mask himself as a "civil rights" advocate.

Here's the organization he's representing in the article... National Fair Housing Advocate Online (http://www.fairhousing.com/index.cfm?method=page.display&pageid=3603). Not sure if there's a separate entity he's representing in his jihad against the honorable Minuteman project, such as the racist/marxist organization Border Action Network (BAN) (http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6439).

Also of note, I wonder if this is the same Anibal Olague in this article...
Former lawmaker sentenced for kickbacks (http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=%22Anibal+Olague%22&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=www.lmtonline.com/news/archive/061700/pagea9.pdf&w=%22anibal+olague%22&d=AFt8WmFULhr5&icp=1&.intl=us)

Yes. I think the Neighborhood Watch should not do the job of the police.

They're not doing the job of the police. They are the eyes and ears of the neighborhood to help the police be able to do the job we pay them to do. Police cannot be everywhere at everytime to maintain law and order. Unless you want a police state and have an officer stationed at every home.

I meant to ask, should the Neighborhood Watch program be disbanded?
I see no reason why it should.
He sounds like a racist trying to mask himself as a "civil rights" advocate.
Pretty much anyone who has questioned the actions of the MinuteMen or been concerned with the welfare of illegal immigrants could be labelled as such.

It's hard to determine if racism exists sometimes. I read that the MinuteMen have minority members, including some mexican-americans. I don't recall anything like that happening in our history.

They're not doing the job of the police. They are the eyes and ears of the neighborhood to help the police be able to do the job we pay them to do. Police cannot be everywhere at everytime to maintain law and order. Unless you want a police state and have an officer stationed at every home.
So your take on this is that "MinuteMen" are really no different than a Neighorhood Watch program?

So your take on this is that "MinuteMen" are really no different than a Neighorhood Watch program?

Exactly!

I even read in the paper (Houston Chronicle) about 3 months ago that they joined the organization.

It's hard to determine if racism exists sometimes. I read that the MinuteMen have minority members, including some mexican-americans. I don't recall anything like that happening in our history.


That does not surprise me at all. If I were a legal immigrant to the US, had gone through the waiting and filling out the forms, and done everything I was required to do by law, I would be furious at those who illegally jumped the line and now expect me to support them in their criminality.

Exactly!

I even read in the paper (Houston Chronicle) about 3 months ago that they joined the organization.

Janus, does the Neighborhood Watch program issue unwarranted death threats to foreigners?

That does not surprise me at all. If I were a legal immigrant to the US, had gone through the waiting and filling out the forms, and done everything I was required to do by law, I would be furious at those who illegally jumped the line and now expect me to support them in their criminality.

What if you pursued this legal method and filed all the right paperwork and did everything right, and still did not get in. Are you capable of an act of desperation?

What if you pursued this legal method and filed all the right paperwork and did everything right, and still did not get in. Are you capable of an act of desperation?

The question is not the motivation of the criminals. The question is the response of the invaded. If I am willing to break the law to get here, I should not be surprised if I am subsequently sent back from whence I came. I would not demand that the country I illegally entered cater to me.

Janus, does the Neighborhood Watch program issue unwarranted death threats to foreigners?


They might. They might say, "GET YOUR ASS OFF MY PROPERTY!" <CHA-CHINK>

When the Campaign was formally launched in 1979, most Americans viewed crime as inevitable and its prevention as the job of the police. Today, more than three out of four Americans believe that they can personally take actions to reduce crime and that their neighborhoods and communities can act to prevent crime. A major force behind this shift to a more positive attitude is the National Citizens' Crime Prevention Campaign.

http://www.weprevent.org/weprevent/weprevent/?pg=14

Sounds like you.

Proper training and official status is quite important when representing the people of the United States,

Like that training the NO cops had? :D

The question is not the motivation of the criminals.
Motive is in fact an element of the law.
The question is the response of the invaded.
This includes all those being victimized. Would you agree?
If I am willing to break the law to get here, I should not be surprised if I am subsequently sent back from whence I came. I would not demand that the country I illegally entered cater to me.
Does breaking that one law make you a criminal worthy of being threatened or shot at by a non-official?

So your take on this is that "MinuteMen" are really no different than a Neighorhood Watch program?

Yes.

BTW, didn't the illegals get the memo that America is a horribly racist nation, deeply rooted institutionalized racism since its foundation (as advocated by some of the hate-America propagandists)? Why would they want to come here? Viva Mexico. Vive Canada.

BTW, didn't the illegals get the memo that America is a horribly racist nation, deeply rooted institutionalized racism since its foundation (as advocated by some of the hate-America propagandists)? Why would they want to come here? Viva Mexico. Vive Canada.

I know legal immigrants who take a pie-in-the-sky view of this country. They actually believe it is the land of the free.

I think some of the racial rhetoric is simple misplaced compassion.

I know legal immigrants who take a pie-in-the-sky view of this country. They actually believe it is the land of the free.

Even free to gangbang rape, eh?

I think some of the racial rhetoric is simple misplaced compassion.

Ehh, reaction to the rape gang-bang of the 18 year old by the mexcats. Remember, racism is a reaction to an action by a significant portion of their population.

Animals! :P

Remember, racism is a reaction to an action by a significant portion of their population.

Animals! :P

Racism and prejudice are still stupid. I try not to judge all white people by the actions of Bill Clinton and his ilk.

Racism and prejudice are still stupid. I try not to judge all white people by the actions of Bill Clinton and his ilk.

Well, when whites get a felony rate from 1 in 17 (6%) to 1 in 3 (like for blacks) or 1 in 5 (like mexcats) I'll quit being prejudice.

Well, when whites get a felony rate from 1 in 17 (6%) to 1 in 3 (like for blacks) or 1 in 5 (like mexcats) I'll quit being prejudice.

Janus, someday you're going to open up and really express the true strength of white america -> compassion.

BTW you're not being prejudice by simply stating recorded facts.

Being prejudice would require more than just that. :|

Activists or vigilantes?

See, Janus quite nicely outlines the problems with the pseudo-border patrol issue at hand.

If the people who were active in it and supporting it were saying things like "We're just watching our borders, our backyards. Those illegal immigrants need to be stopped, and we're going to do everything within our jurisdiction to stop them, seeing as how the federal government is so lax with border security.... This means we're going to set up shop, unarmed, with communication devices as our weapons, coordinate with the border patrol, and simply act as a watchdog group over the border...." who the hell would complain? I mean, hell, it could replace hunting deer as a way of getting out and seeing nature.

BUT...... the thing is, most of these minutemen patrollers refer to Mexicans as "mexicats" and "animals" and other derogatory terms, and have a clear apathy for minorities. So, you have to wonder if this is not an outlet for slightly veiled racism.

If they acted and talked like the neighborhood watch program people do, no one would give 2 poops. The PROBLEM is, some are talking of arming themselves, and most are throwing around racist accusations. You know, motivation for why people are taking the actions must be taken into account.

See, Janus quite nicely outlines the problems with the pseudo-border patrol issue at hand.

If the people who were active in it and supporting it were saying things like "We're just watching our borders, our backyards. Those illegal immigrants need to be stopped, and we're going to do everything within our jurisdiction to stop them, seeing as how the federal government is so lax with border security.... This means we're going to set up shop, unarmed, with communication devices as our weapons, coordinate with the border patrol, and simply act as a watchdog group over the border...." who the hell would complain? I mean, hell, it could replace hunting deer as a way of getting out and seeing nature.

BUT...... the thing is, most of these minutemen patrollers refer to Mexicans as "mexicats" and "animals" and other derogatory terms, and have a clear apathy for minorities. So, you have to wonder if this is not an outlet for slightly veiled racism.

If they acted and talked like the neighborhood watch program people do, no one would give 2 poops. The PROBLEM is, some are talking of arming themselves, and most are throwing around racist accusations. You know, motivation for why people are taking the actions must be taken into account.

I haven't heard any proof that the majority of minutemen call Mexicans names.That doesn't change the fact that what they're doing is a good thing.

The people who they're reporting to the Border patrol have no business in this country, and need to be rounded up and sent back home. Accusing the minutemen merely takes the focus off of the criminals and puts it on those who are trying to stop them.

"It's endangering our community many of these people are not qualified they don't have experience they are not part of the government as taxpayers we are asking the government.
This fool has it backwards. The government derives it's power and duties from the people. If the government fails in those then I see nothing wrong with "the people" stepping in to complete the task.

Janus, does the Neighborhood Watch program issue unwarranted death threats to foreigners? I'm sure individuals do...I would if they stepped into my house uninvited



What if you pursued this legal method and filed all the right paperwork and did everything right, and still did not get in. Are you capable of an act of desperation?I don't doubt a small fraction of illegal aliens fit this discription but I doubt it is a significant number

Motive is in fact an element of the law. your above mentioned motive doesn't define the reasons for illegal immigration

Does breaking that one law make you a criminal worthy of being threatened or shot at by a non-official?how many have been shot?

Janus, someday you're going to open up and really express the true strength of white america -> compassion.


Compassion.

When are you going to be compassionate about those Americans who lives have been destroyed by illegal invasion ?

The victims of tens of thousands of violent crimes. The Border communities whose property and homes have been overrun. The hospitals that have had to close leaving millions of Americans without medical care. The millions more Americans who have lost job oppurtunities to illegals because the company found it more profitable to illegally hire illegal immigrants.

When are you going to show these Americans your compassion ?

Oh, wait, I forgot. Americans are evil, racist, facist, wannabe-world-conquerors and are undeserving of any compassion ... after, they've had it so good for so long, they need a little hardship. Don't they, jo-jo ? In the war on America, the left wing liberals cry out for "No Quarter !" to the beseiged American poor and middle class.

The people who they're reporting to the Border patrol have no business in this country, and need to be rounded up and sent back home. Accusing the minutemen merely takes the focus off of the criminals and puts it on those who are trying to stop them.
The MinuteMen are acting on behalf of the american people. That makes it the business of all those who don't agree with their position.
Compassion.

When are you going to be compassionate about those Americans who lives have been destroyed by illegal invasion ?

I'll do my best right now, if you'll allow it.

The victims of tens of thousands of violent crimes.
What "tens of thousands"? I recall many reported incidents in the news paper, but not "tens of thousands". Are all these people really victims of violent crimes at the hand of illegal immigrants? That would certainly make every illegal immigrant a criminal. Sounds pretty convenient.
The Border communities whose property and homes have been overrun.
You never wonder why are there people in those very same communities protesting against the presence of the MinuteMen?
The hospitals that have had to close leaving millions of Americans without medical care.
Millions of americans aren't even insured. Grant amnesty and get the illegals out of the shadows and deal with it. We can move on.
The millions more Americans who have lost job oppurtunities to illegals because the company found it more profitable to illegally hire illegal immigrants.
Corporations are required by law to hire legal residents. An american who can't outperform an illegal immigrant doesn't deserve the job. That is an act of compassion on shareholders and employees of the american company
When are you going to show these Americans your compassion ?
Today. :) We should do it right. Complete immigration reform. We should ease tension with the Mexican government. Send the untrained vigilantes home now, right this minute - before things get worse.
Oh, wait, I forgot. Americans are evil, racist, facist, wannabe-world-conquerors and are undeserving of any compassion ... after, they've had it so good for so long, they need a little hardship. Don't they, jo-jo ? In the war on America, the left wing liberals cry out for "No Quarter !" to the beseiged American poor and middle class.
Your words, your war. Not everyone shares these views.

Despite the anti-American, ACLU directed "rally" against the Minutemen, pro-American activism is picking up. For example, although called "a controversial group" by the left wing press, the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control of Danbury had a meeting the other day and are trying to expand to other cities. What is interesting is that when hate-filled, racist protesters try to prevent the free assembly of American citizens, the press never calls the barbaric anarchists "controversial." If you don't believe they are barbaric, take a look at the many confrontations the racist invaders and their liberal anarchist advocates have with American citizens on the various videos available on the net.

That would certainly make every illegal immigrant a criminal. Sounds pretty convenient.


What exactly is the definition of a criminal? Is it not someone who has broken the law, such as ILLEGAL immigrants?

What exactly is the definition of a criminal? Is it not someone who has broken the law, such as ILLEGAL immigrants?

There are degrees to this thing-a person who fails to get a document from the government shouldn't be held to the same standard as one who harms another person,like a rapist or a murderer. The problem is we really need to sort them out.

Despite the anti-American, ACLU directed "rally" against the Minutemen, pro-American activism is picking up. For example, although called "a controversial group" by the left wing press, the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control of Danbury had a meeting the other day and are trying to expand to other cities. What is interesting is that when hate-filled, racist protesters try to prevent the free assembly of American citizens, the press never calls the barbaric anarchists "controversial." If you don't believe they are barbaric, take a look at the many confrontations the racist invaders and their liberal anarchist advocates have with American citizens on the various videos available on the net.

Unlike the wreckless vigilante "MinuteMen", the "barbaric anarchists" aren't the ones issuing death threats to foreign women and children.

What exactly is the definition of a criminal? Is it not someone who has broken the law, such as ILLEGAL immigrants?
Are you prosecuting them as one of your own? Have they broken the laws of our country? Exactly what gives you that right?

Congress has established a means of enforcing borders. The dangerous actions of the unprofessional, gaggle of geese MinuteMen are not an official part of our countries immigration policy.

I don't like them and you don't get my vote.

Are you prosecuting them as one of your own?


:confused: They're not Americans, are they?


Have they broken the laws of our country?


Yes, yes, and yes. Wait a minute, let me check again. Yes, there it is, another resounding YES! They have broken the laws of our country, because they have crossed the border illegally (that means they broke the law). If I can prosecute an American citizen for coming onto my property (trespassing), I can certainly report an alien for coming into the country ILLEGALLY.


Exactly what gives you that right?


As an American citizen, I have the right to report people to the authorities who have crossed our border illegally. This is the same right I have to report someone who has illegally parked in a handicapped parking space.


Congress has established a means of enforcing borders. The dangerous actions of the unprofessional, gaggle of geese MinuteMen are not an official part of our countries immigration policy.

I don't like them and you don't get my vote.

They don't have to be a part of official immigration policy. They are American citizens doing what the federal government refuses to do, enforce immigration law.

They don't have to be a part of official immigration policy. They are American citizens doing what the federal government refuses to do, enforce immigration law.

They are wreckless,lawn chair sitting, beer drinking leftist savages that do not have the moral or legal authority to abuse foreigners or represent the american people.

I know legal immigrants who take a pie-in-the-sky view of this country. They actually believe it is the land of the free.

I think some of the racial rhetoric is simple misplaced compassion.



Yea free shelter, food, medical and and legal service for free lifetime benefits of checks from tax paying Americans .

I wonder how many mexicans you give your home, money and risk your familys health to support ? I bet not a one !

We get the tab for all of this just so a few white bussiness owning traitors can have cheap labor . Anyone who hires these un-qualified labors should go to jail for treason ,imo.

This is alot bigger than just open bordors . Theres some reason our leaders are supporting it too . And if any of you think hillery will stop it, are fooled . She will come up with ' solution ' that will be even worse in long run . Watch and see .

Our hope is not longer safe with our gov . Only hope we have is citizens like the Minutemen taking back whats left of our country . And it won't be easy with so many like jojo inside now .

Janus, someday you're going to open up and really express the true strength of white america -> compassion.

BTW you're not being prejudice by simply stating recorded facts.

Being prejudice would require more than just that. :|



False flattery will get you nowhere ! :rolleyes:

My proposal:

Best use of Photoshop ever.

You had fun with that , didn't you?? :p

I haven't heard any proof that the majority of minutemen call Mexicans names.That doesn't change the fact that what they're doing is a good thing.

The people who they're reporting to the Border patrol have no business in this country, and need to be rounded up and sent back home. Accusing the minutemen merely takes the focus off of the criminals and puts it on those who are trying to stop them.


Do you not realize how much profit a race card can bring these days ? :confused:

Racist use the race card for all kinds of benefits . If you want to commit a crime and get away with it, just SCRAEM RACISM ! Just look at the dough the crimminals and their protectors make of it . ACLA and liberals are swimming in luxuary and bucks thanks to race cards . And any poor working natural American who pays the taxes should keep quite like a nice little sucker and pay up while they ADD INSULT TO INJURY . :eek7:

They are wreckless,lawn chair sitting, beer drinking leftist savages that do not have the moral or legal authority to abuse foreigners or represent the american people.wow....that's quite a judgement




leftists? doing something big daddy gubment won't do?

Best use of Photoshop ever.

You had fun with that , didn't you?? :pgets my vote too :nice:

Yea free shelter, food, medical and and legal service for free lifetime benefits of checks from tax paying Americans .

I wonder how many mexicans you give your home, money and risk your familys health to support ? I bet not a one !

Did you pay to be an american citizen?

Do you think others should pay for citizenship?

We get the tab for all of this just so a few white bussiness owning traitors can have cheap labor . Anyone who hires these un-qualified labors should go to jail for treason ,imo.
You pay taxes at a given rate regardless of how it is spent. There is no tab. You have a vote, use it. The charge of treason requires more than what you think.

This is alot bigger than just open bordors . Theres some reason our leaders are supporting it too . And if any of you think hillery will stop it, are fooled . She will come up with ' solution ' that will be even worse in long run . Watch and see .

Hillary doesn't get my vote.

Our hope is not longer safe with our gov . Only hope we have is citizens like the Minutemen taking back whats left of our country . And it won't be easy with so many like jojo inside now .

MinuteMen can't take back what they don't own.

Jojo why would you want this nation to become the same kind of place people are committing crimes to get away from ?

We are running out of resources for the people already here . How many more of world citizens should we accept ? Or should we just accept mexicans and tell the others to stay out ?

our water is becomming more polluted everyday . Our medical personel is dwiddling because of low wage or people who don't pay . Our economy is at all time low because of crooked bussiness and cheap labor from mexico who end up costing tax payers because of their large families from breeding carelessly . Deseases are epidemic from third world carriers . Demand for gas for autos and natural for heating is scarce and prices have doubled .

So why do you think we needmore people here o use more resources ? If my sister moved in with you and you were nice to her, if she then wanted to move in rest of family would you like it ?

Maybe Your really foolish enough to think that mexico will soon Be in control of America and the way it looks WITH OUR COMPLACENT CITIZENRY , it may be possible , but is this the kind of country you want to be ' AGAIN'?

They are wreckless,lawn chair sitting, beer drinking leftist savages that do not have the moral or legal authority to abuse foreigners or represent the american people.

They have the authority to report people who violate the laws of this country by crossing the border illegally. That's all they're doing. Do you have a problem with lawn chairs?

They have the authority to report people who violate the laws of this country by crossing the border illegally. That's all they're doing. Do you have a problem with lawn chairs?



I think Jojo is only interested in ' his ' country , " mexico " and their laws .

I think Jojo is only interested in ' his ' country , " mexico " and their laws .
His country, Mexico? The mexican asian? :P

How about a compromise then?

An even exchange of Mexicans looking to work here and we'll permanently send to Mexico the racist (ethnist) La Raza-MeCHa hate-America types.

:shrug:

(Just brainstorming here)

They're making a lot more noise than any neighborhood watch group,I think Jojo's right,there's a potential for some unsavory hijinks,the Law has checks and balances-these guys : who knows?

His country, Mexico? The mexican asian? :P

Yea, it's like the African American . :confused:

Yea, it's like the African American .

Even the ones who've never been to Africa, but claim to be 'African'.

They're making a lot more noise than any neighborhood watch group,I think Jojo's right,there's a potential for some unsavory hijinks,the Law has checks and balances-these guys : who knows?

If they start breaking laws, then we need to deal with them. Otherwise, they're doing what the law won't do, protect our borders.

If they start breaking laws, then we need to deal with them. Otherwise, they're doing what the law won't do, protect our borders.

They need to be watched.You're right they've done nothing really bad so far-it's the potential...