say - that's the etnical cleanzing Israel made against 6 milions palestinians...

I allredy saw examples as terrible things that palestinains did against israelis are remembered as things that israelis did to palestinains.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1775068,00.html

Today this suggestion wasn't accepted, but this is only a a matter of time...

say - that's the etnical cleanzing Israel made against 6 milions palestinians...

I allredy saw examples as terrible things that palestinains did against israelis are remembered as things that israelis did to palestinains.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1775068,00.html

Today this suggestion wasn't accepted, but this is only a a matter of time...


Are you insane or just highly eccentric? I ca'nt quite figure it out....

:confused:

Are you insane or just highly eccentric? I ca'nt quite figure it out....

:confused:

Meet me 20 years from now.
But then you will probably say that I'm insane claiming that in holocast jews were the ones that was murdered. You look like exactly such kind of guy.

Two can play that game, eh, Coral?

History is written by the victors.

In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, if the Israelis win the 'war', they will re-write the history of it to depict themselves as the 'good guys' and the Palestinians as the 'bad guys'.

In truth, neither side is completely blameless and neither is totally at fault.

I haven't check that link, but I doubt that I have to do it in order to realize that's something like sturmfront will post. Studying holocaust is part of the history curriculum in my country and that's probably the case with most countries in Europe. On the other hand I think Israel should be less worried about how the future generations will judge the history of WWII and more worried about how their contemporary actions will be understud in the future. I see too many people pissed today about how Israel made the world a rather unsafe place.

*understood* Damn!

LOL. Holocaust day. Pathetic Jews lobbying for such deserve every ounce of craptacular, karmic fallout that surrounds them.

I haven't check that link, but I doubt that I have to do it in order to realize that's something like sturmfront will post.

Maybe you should read it BEFORE forming an opinion about it's content.
Just a suggection...

I did. It's not like sturmfront, it's even dumber. I am sick of all that "don't upset the visitors" thing. f you don't like the habits of your new country, don't leave the old one. PC bull****, but you are right. This time you should be worried. I have the tendency to think that a murder it's just as terrible as another murder, but still, the holocust is something unique in a macabre way.

ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.

They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.

The draft proposals have been prepared by committees appointed by Blair to tackle extremism.

:eek7: This is how they "tackle" Muslim extremism?

Wow....just wow.

I agree that its a rediculous idea to change that.

In America, we've banned Christmas. Too christian.

Now you're bugged because these clowns want to ditch "Holocaust Day" and have "Genocide Day" instead?

What a bunch of wankers.

PC gets grimmer and crazier by the month.

How in the hell is a Holocaust memorial day "offensive to Muslims"? Muslims didn't have anything to do with the holocaust...are they trying to get Islam associated with the murder of 6 million Jews?! How is this good publicity for anybody, Muslim or Jew (or Tony Blair)?

Are terrorists supposed to say "well I was planning on bombing the train station, but now that they've stopped remembering the holocaust I guess I'll let it slide"?

holocaust day is stupid.

genocide day, even more so.

yes, let's build up an entire industry of death pornography to make us feel better about ourselves.

:rolleyes:

In America, we've banned Christmas.

:rolleyes: Really? I'm glad no one called the Feds on my family last year while we were buying all our decorations, gifts and tree.

:rolleyes: Really? I'm glad no one called the Feds on my family last year while we were buying all our decorations, gifts and tree.

Do they still celebrate Christmas at your schools? Do they have a tree and Christmas decorations?

Any Christmas decorations on the public square? In any public buildings?

If so, that would be rare. And you could get sued, the ACLU guns for that sort of thing.

Strictly verboten in NYS public schools. The classrooms are as sterile and cold as operating rooms. Same with all public buildings. No mention of Christmas is allowed.

Even Macy's department store doesn't mention Christmas any more.

Too bad; it was fun, and I rather miss it.

I live in probably one of the most "liberal" cities in America and yes, there's still a huge Christmas tree in the public square every year. But that doesn't prove anything really. It's a non-issue to me.

As far as "my" school, if you're referring to public schools well they have much worse problems than whather to celebrate Christmas or not. My kids won't be going to public school whether there's a Christmas tree or not. Frankly I could care less what the government choses to 'officially' celebrate. The government is ****ed in the head many different ways, from right and left angles.

One irony that you will probably appreciate is how liberals are going to juggle the new increased sensitity to "Latin culture" in the US with the exclusion of Christian imagery. If there's one thing hispanics aren't going for, it's the non-acknowledgement of Christmas. I agree it's a PC mess, and rather fun to watch.

Well, I guess we can have Genocide Day instead. Very cheery.

Maybe Coral100 can design a line of greeting cards. I confess I'm at a loss; but then, I've never been creative like that.

the chrismas tree is not christian at all.

the chrismas tree is not christian at all.

That argument has been used successfully in one or two cases, but usually it doesn't matter. As far as New York publik skools are concerned, the tree commemorates Christmas, and that is practically a hate crime, same as wearing a Confederate flag t-shirt.

So, Coral100. What festivities do you have planned for Genocide Day? Should be a biggie on your calendar. Parades? Parties? I'm sure you can show us a good time.

holocaust day is stupid.

genocide day, even more so.

yes, let's build up an entire industry of death pornography to make us feel better about ourselves.

:rolleyes:
I don't think that the point of having a holocaust day is about making us to feel better about ourselves. Quite the opposite, its about remembering the fact that man is capable of doing terrible things to our fellow creature. This has nothing to do with money, even if some people could be tempted to make some money from it. Having the holocaust day replaced with genocide day is not an issue for me. I don't think that people who are equating the mass murder of the Chechen or Armenians with the holocaust are doing it to undermine the significance of holocaust, but more likely to underline the importance of every human life and the tragedy of all mass murders. But this article has two problems. First: the holocaust day should not be canceled because muslims feel offended by it. If someone feels offended by a moment when we remember a terrible event in the history of humanity, an event intended to condemn a murder, than he's an ******* and his opinion should not be taken in consideration. The second problem with this article is that such a proposition is designed to "fight" terrorism. I think the author doesn't fully comprehend that there is a fine line between compromise and defeat. Withdrawing from Iraq (or the withdraw from Gaza) could be a political compromise and history shows us that making compromises is a way to shorten a conflict. But changing your lifestyle, your beliefs to please terrorists is not a compromise. That's a DEFEAT! Something that should never be done.

That argument has been used successfully in one or two cases, but usually it doesn't matter. As far as New York publik skools are concerned, the tree commemorates Christmas, and that is practically a hate crime, same as wearing a Confederate flag t-shirt.

So, Coral100. What festivities do you have planned for Genocide Day? Should be a biggie on your calendar. Parades? Parties? I'm sure you can show us a good time.

Looks lke you are under some kind of illusion that I think Holocause day in London to be a good thing...
I don't.
I really see no need for a event as tragic for my people to became a center of some hypocritic european circus.

Looks lke you are under some kind of illusion that I think Holocause day in London to be a good thing...
I don't.
I really see no need for a event as tragic for my people to became a center of some hypocritic european circus. thats a bit dumb, sorry to say. youre completely forgetting that those millions of jews were europeans. why wouldnt we remember our own deaths?

Do you consider your people to be Europeans, Coral100?

I guess not.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1775068,00.html

Today this suggestion wasn't accepted, but this is only a a matter of time...

Hmm... as much as I find the overusing of the Shoah card for sometimes totally unrelated and incomparable matters (such as the expulsion of the Gaza colonists) a tad bit annoying and distasteful, this would be a terribly wrong move imho ... I would like to see those "advisors" named ...

Meet me 20 years from now.
But then you will probably say that I'm insane claiming that in holocast jews were the ones that was murdered. You look like exactly such kind of guy.

Ummm...okay.
First of all, you don't know what I look like. So, you definitely can't draw any informed opinions about me based on what you think I look like.
And, thanks to all the films of mass graves from the end of WWII, we know that something like the holocaust happened.
So, yeah, I think 20 years from now, if I met you, I would say that you are insane. I don't imagine your mental illness improving with time.

Do you consider your people to be Europeans, Coral100?

the Eurovision, and more importantly the UEFA does, so it's fine by me :D

Hmm... as much as I find the overusing of the Shoah card for sometimes totally unrelated and incomparable matters (such as the expulsion of the Gaza colonists) a tad bit annoying and distasteful, this would be a terribly wrong move imho ... I would like to see those "advisors" named ...

Lack of taste is not crime, strudel.
It deserves exactly the amount of emotions that it deserves, and no more.

thats a bit dumb, sorry to say. youre completely forgetting that those millions of jews were europeans. why wouldnt we remember our own deaths?

If you feel this way you have the right to hold every event you like in your place.
But because it is not exacly as you feel, there is a good chance that this will only lead to the fullfilment of the prediction I started the thread with.
You will have a hard time to expalin your children that "genoside day" is not exactly about israelis murdering 6 milions palestinians.

First of all, you don't know what I look like. So, you definitely can't draw any informed opinions about me based on what you think I look like.
.

O, this post of yours:

"Are you insane or just highly eccentric? I ca'nt quite figure it out...."

showed me everything I need to know about you...

If you feel this way you have the right to hold every event you like in your place.
But because it is not exacly as you feel, there is a good chance that this will only lead to the fullfilment of the prediction I started the thread with.
You will have a hard time to expalin your children that "genoside day" is not exactly about israelis murdering 6 milions palestinians.
they dont have to change it into genocide day for me.
its a remebrance of teh holocaust. if they want a genocide day, let them pick another date.
and do you think that a holocaust day is the only reminder that people get about this history? you have no idea. most of europe suffered under on of the greatest tirannies, only 60 years ago. the massmurder of jewish people is the biggest tragedy europe has ever experienced. its completely inbedded in our upbringing and culture. dont oyu know how our resident DA nazi apologists allways complaint about how we get an overkill of this, all the time? how can you even suggest that we europeans will simply forget about it? holocaust denial is still a serious offence here. just because a lot of us dont agree with israeli gouv. policies, doesnt meanthat we hate jews or marigalise the holocaust in any way, not now, and not in 60 years.

say - that's the etnical cleanzing Israel made against 6 milions palestinians...

I allredy saw examples as terrible things that palestinains did against israelis are remembered as things that israelis did to palestinains.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1775068,00.html

Today this suggestion wasn't accepted, but this is only a a matter of time...This reminds me how Muslims in Britain prompted the 'ditching' of Christmas holidays in public school because, guess what, they also found that offensive. :rolleyes:

But once again, we must trust our liberal social engineers who know what is best for society, and if that means slowly becoming an Islamic state, so be it :nice:

Lack of taste is not crime, strudel.
Sometimes it is... people watching reality TV and listening to MTV R&B should be put into taste-reeducation camps ...J/K :-p
Well, you have to admit their comparison was very distateful, wrong even, many Israelis and Jews living worldwide were of that opinion too ...

Well, you have to admit their comparison was very distateful, wrong even, ...

Sure, what's here not to agree - very distastefull and complitely wrong.
But.. what I allready said.
I would be much more worried if they would get violent, but they didn't, just as I thougt.

dont oyu know how our resident DA nazi apologists allways complaint about how we get an overkill of this, all the time? how can you even suggest that we europeans will simply forget about it? holocaust denial is still a serious offence here.

I think that they have a point here.
I do think that europeans are tired of feeling guilty and obligated, and that their hostile and not just attitude to Israel is connected to this.

I think that they have a point here.
I do think that europeans are tired of feeling guilty and obligated, and that their hostile and not just attitude to Israel is connected to this. so you think less is better, and complaint about how we will all forget it in 60 years?
you lost me.

from todays dutch news paper:
dutch railways are starting a big poster campain about their history in driving jewish people in the war , to auswitz. sort of a late appology.
the posters will say things like: " 60 years ago trains to auswitz ran through this station" and "then it was the jews, who will it be next time? "

so you think less is better, and complaint about how we will all forget it in 60 years?
you lost me.

from todays dutch news paper:
dutch railways are starting a big poster campain about their history in driving jewish people in the war , to auswitz. sort of a late appology.
the posters will say things like: " 60 years ago trains to auswitz ran through this station" and "then it was the jews, who will it be next time? "white folks :shrug:

Sure, what's here not to agree - very distastefull and complitely wrong.
Indeed, completely wrong because it belittles the reality of the holocaust by trying to put it on par with the expulsion of squatters, who will, iirc, receive compensations ...

I would be much more worried if they would get violent, but they didn't, just as I thougt.
well, splashing acid on people isn't that nice ... :/

Indeed, completely wrong because it belittles the reality of the holocaust by trying to put it on par with the expulsion of squatters, who will, iirc, receive compensations ...

well, splashing acid on people isn't that nice ... :/


I think your hate for settlers makes you to concentrate on this, and to take this two things out of proportions.

As I said - some bad taste is not such a terrible thing, and there was one place with few hours with violent ressistence, done by young people from out side the settlements, and no serious harm was done.
This wasn't really an acid, since all of those policemen was at home after few hours.
So not nice, as you said, but not much more then that.
The big majority of the settlers didn't show nothing like violence, just as I though, something I see you find hard to accept.

so you think less is better, and complaint about how we will all forget it in 60 years?
you lost me.
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I don't recall compalining that you forget...

I"m worried that in few decades the holocaust would be remembered as a event when israelis did something very bad to palestinians.

I can see the sights.
Just like you atributed palestinain treat to trow jews to see to israelis, like Neo-zeland Herald expalined that palestinain children are woried from israelis bobytrapping toys, (if you didn't know, a nice PALESTINIAN custom before the era of suicide bombers) and so on.
So what they thought to do with the holocaust day looked only logical to me, and the outcame kind of clear.

dutch railways are starting a big poster campain about their history in driving jewish people in the war , to auswitz. sort of a late appology.
the posters will say things like: " 60 years ago trains to auswitz ran through this station" and "then it was the jews, who will it be next time? "

Aha, and compensate it by inventing some new reason to accuse Israel.

Aha, and compensate it by inventing some new reason to accuse Israel.what do you mean?
:confused: I"m worried that in few decades the holocaust would be remembered as a event when israelis did something very bad to palestinians. I think you were beeing sarcastic, at least I hope you were. the whole idea is rediculous, since the palestinians havent suffered any genocide to begin with. if these groups feel insulted by a holocaust remembrance, so what. then we should simply throw them in jail for beeing a bunch of nazis. thats my opinion. its very disrespectfull.

and to get back to this discussion, then ofcourse will NEVER get that done, turning it into a genocide day because they feel insulted by attention for the massmurder of 6 million people. screw them.

what do you mean?
:confused: I think you were beeing sarcastic,
.

Not at all. I think that my concern about this is very realistic.
Just as israelis are suddenly accused in planting toys with expolives inside.
I said this in the bedinning of this thread.

what do you mean?
.

You really don't know?

I think that the represed bad feelings towards jews, partly because of being tired with the whole holocaust business, are sublimated into the existing attitude towards Israel.
My DA expirience kind of made me to come to this conclusion.

youre so easy with accusing people of beeing racists. you cant even concider that poeple critisize israel because of its policies, and not because they are jews.
I dont know anybody that has repressed bad feelings against jews, or feels that the holocuast is an annoying thing to remember. you read too much of that crap about how all europeans are antisemites. I really have to try hard to not be very annoyed by all this anti europe talk. again, you have no idea. I thought you visited amsterdam once, but I guess you didnt pay a lot of attention there, if youre thinking that its really even an issue, anitsemitism, in dutch society. facism, thats an issue, the people who were antisemites. and the destruction that that brought us, the deaths and misery.

I dont know what to say. I find it pretty sad.

youre so easy with accusing people of beeing racists. you cant even concider that poeple critisize israel because of its policies, and not because they are jews.
I dont know anybody that has repressed bad feelings against jews, or feels that the holocuast is an annoying thing to remember. you read too much of that crap about how all europeans are antisemites. I really have to try hard to not be very annoyed by all this anti europe talk. again, you have no idea. I thought you visited amsterdam once, but I guess you didnt pay a lot of attention there, if youre thinking that its really even an issue, anitsemitism, in dutch society. facism, thats an issue, the people who were antisemites. and the destruction that that brought us, the deaths and misery.

I dont know what to say. I find it pretty sad.

I didn't got to this concution from reading.
And yes, I was in Amsterdam, Anna Frank museum and all.
But I do think that as much as saying something critical about JEWS is not accepted, to the same exstand the resentment toward Israel is growing.
I did came to the conclution that, as sad as it is, that the WN's have a point here.

/anybody can be critisized, poeple dont make any disctinctions between jews and non-jews, most people dont even know which people are jewish or see teh difference. lots of jewish people have dutch names and dont look any different then others here.
even the nazis had a hell of a time determining which people were jewish and which not.
and allso, jewish people that liv here dont live in israel, and have littl to do with taht country. a big part of them dont even WANT to live in israel, and we have jewish organisations that actively oppose the israeli policies.
the only reason anitisemitism is an issue now in uerope , is because of the resentment of our arab/middle eastern immigrants. all those incidents you read about, and mostly done by them.
just like your gouv, you keep on mixing up antisemitism and opposition to your gouv.s policies.
these white nationals are teh only ones that are sick of hearing about the holocuast, becasue it is, in their minds, an attack to their movement, nationalism. the rest of us dont feel connected with this kind of nationalism or the nazis, but dispise them. why on earth should anybody feel like that then? anti germanism is a far bigger issue here. I think that just about everybody in holland, and in most surrounding countries who suffered under the nazis, has reservations against germans, still.
your view is simply distorted on this matter. you, who are so contious about the way others are attacking your country though information, should be able to see that the opposite is happening as well, in yoru country.

I think your hate for settlers makes you to concentrate on this, and to take this two things out of proportions.


small correction: I do not hate settlers : they are victims of the supidity and illegality of the policy of their goverments...
Out of proportions ?
You're usually the one defending the memory of the holocaust, and rightfully so : strange that when it is vilified and trifled with by some Israeli, you become suddenly far more mellow ...