View Full Version : Did Republicans engineer the failure to respond to Katrina victims?
Jay GW 09-13-2005, 02:16 PM Republicans, naturally hating any government regulation or welfare, wouldn't want the public to depend on an effective government response that built some kind of trust, would they? Every time they get into power they try to dismantle any social programs and prevent any from starting.
Isn't if funny that Republicans, and White Americans in general, manage to get a 400,000 man army around the world in Iraq to grab oil and do this and do that....but somehow are "hampered" when it comes to rescuing poor people? How interesting.
Seems to me that they would be overjoyed by all the "failures" of the (very conservative Repub) Michael Brown and the rest of the federal agencies and how everyone is ranting "well you just can't trust government to do anything right!!"
Hmmm
hadit 09-13-2005, 03:06 PM Absolutely not. Absurd on its face. The so-called "failure to respond" is a talking point and not reality. The response was faster than the responses to many other disasters, and was hampered by local incompetence. Do we have to point out which party runs Louisiana in general and New Orleans in particular and therefore bears most responsibility for what happened?
caddis 09-13-2005, 03:12 PM Do we have to point out which party runs Louisiana in general and New Orleans in particular and therefore bears most responsibility for what happened?Apparently so :rolleyes:
Not to mention the fact it was a Republican that had to urge those folks to evacuate
CowPunk 09-13-2005, 03:18 PM Paranoia self-destroyah.... :mad:
GROFF200 09-13-2005, 03:18 PM Absolutely not. Absurd on its face. The so-called "failure to respond" is a talking point and not reality. The response was faster than the responses to many other disasters, and was hampered by local incompetence. Do we have to point out which party runs Louisiana in general and New Orleans in particular and therefore bears most responsibility for what happened?
I don't think the Republicans engineered the slow federal response. I think it was slow because our government has varying levels of incompentence.
However, in response to what you said, I would like to point out that Katrina destroyed more than New Orleans.
The Republican Governor of Mississippi asked for Federal assistance from the Republican Federal Government, and many areas of our state are still without power, water, and food.
As a matter of fact, FEMA is a dirty four letter word now. They have done wonderful things like confiscate all fuel deliveries from Hattiesburg on down so that the locals can't move personell or supplies.
At this point, a lot of people in Mississippi are willing to forgive the slow response of FEMA if they would just leave as quickly as possible.
buggy 09-13-2005, 03:19 PM Shouldn't this be under the "Jokes, Riddles, Polls, Weird Stuff & Online Tests" section?
Wait... weren't the people who initially failed to act... Democrats?
Feenix566 09-13-2005, 03:23 PM Well, since Bush used his CIA weather-controlling device to create the hurricane in the first place, and Carl Rove used his mind-control powers to make the residents of New Orleans ignore the calls for evacuation, and Dan Quayle used his potato-powered spaceship to drive Elvis out of the area prior to the disaster, it's plain to see who's behind the slow federal response: Richard Nixon!
hadit 09-13-2005, 03:30 PM Well, since Bush used his CIA weather-controlling device to create the hurricane in the first place, and Carl Rove used his mind-control powers to make the residents of New Orleans ignore the calls for evacuation, and Dan Quayle used his potato-powered spaceship to drive Elvis out of the area prior to the disaster, it's plain to see who's behind the slow federal response: Richard Nixon!
Thanks, that made my entire week!
Mr. Know It All 09-13-2005, 05:00 PM No need to blame the Republicans for this. In my opinion, it was general non partisan governmental incompetence. The same thing would have happened if the Democrats were in charge.
boedicca 09-13-2005, 05:33 PM I think the media engineered the MEME that the Feds were slow to respond.
(un)Funny how they aren't as vocal about the body count coming in much much lower than expected as they were in promoting the myth that at least 10,000 had died.
GROFF200 09-13-2005, 05:49 PM The body count isn't nearly finished yet. So, it's lower than expected so far.
For those of you who don't live in a gulf coast state, most of what you know about the Katrina damage is what you see on the news. I just want to express how completely inadequate television is at conveying just how bad it is.
Anybody who has seen the destruction firsthand, or has to deal with people daily who have lost everything, does not see this as an academic exercise.
Instead, the result is a lot of compassion for the victims, and a lot of anger for our government, local, state, and federal.
ResidentRice 09-13-2005, 06:23 PM Ugh, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they're trying to kill you.
This sounds like some dumbass idea that Ann Coulter would come up with, except switch the word "republican" for "democrat". Yes, this sounds EXACTLY like something she would say.
Betrade 09-13-2005, 08:02 PM The libs are merely using Katrina as an oppurtunity to take a cheap, political propaganda shot at the Republicans, at the expense of thousands of suffering people.
It's no surprise at all, and they'll move on to the next oppurtunity the moment it presents itself.
boedicca 09-13-2005, 08:05 PM In a truly sick way, the Race-Baiting Variety of Libs actually savor this disaster. It gives them ample opportunities for primetime Bush Bashing.
ResidentRice 09-13-2005, 08:11 PM In a truly sick way, the Race-Baiting Variety of Libs actually savor this disaster. It gives them ample opportunities for primetime Bush Bashing.
The libs are merely using Katrina as an oppurtunity to take a cheap, political propaganda shot at the Republicans, at the expense of thousands of suffering people.
It's no surprise at all, and they'll move on to the next oppurtunity the moment it presents itself.
These 2 posts are just promoting and continuing the partisanship of hatred, along the exact same lines as the original topic of this thread.
boedicca 09-13-2005, 08:12 PM ^ Can't handle the truth.
SpabSFW 09-13-2005, 08:16 PM I don't think they "engineered" it with purpose, however I do think their underlying philosophy which you described, did cause the dismal response.
ResidentRice 09-13-2005, 08:20 PM No, I can handle the truth. I see a different truth than you do looking at the exact same facts. I have no doubt in my mind that there were cases and instances of democratic politicians taking advantage of the situation to decry the Bush Admin., but in no way is that indicative of the liberals in general throughout the country. It also doesn't mean that many concerns raised by the liberals aren't valid simply because of who says them.
Your generalizations have faded in their amusement, now they just sound repetitively partisan.
Wonderful argument, btw. "Can't handle the truth." Excellent.
86Dude 09-13-2005, 08:36 PM Those who strongly agreed should be flogged.
ResidentRice 09-13-2005, 08:38 PM Those who strongly agree should be de-brainwashed, because I think that's what causes it.
boedicca 09-13-2005, 08:39 PM No, I can handle the truth. I see a different truth than you do looking at the exact same facts. I have no doubt in my mind that there were cases and instances of democratic politicians taking advantage of the situation to decry the Bush Admin., but in no way is that indicative of the liberals in general throughout the country. It also doesn't mean that many concerns raised by the liberals aren't valid simply because of who says them.
Your generalizations have faded in their amusement, now they just sound repetitively partisan.
Wonderful argument, btw. "Can't handle the truth." Excellent.
^ Proving my point.
ResidentRice 09-13-2005, 09:09 PM ^ also proving my point
Criminal 09-14-2005, 12:28 AM Republicans, naturally hating any government regulation or welfare, wouldn't want the public to depend on an effective government response that built some kind of trust, would they? Every time they get into power they try to dismantle any social programs and prevent any from starting.
Isn't if funny that Republicans, and White Americans in general, manage to get a 400,000 man army around the world in Iraq to grab oil and do this and do that....but somehow are "hampered" when it comes to rescuing poor people? How interesting.
Seems to me that they would be overjoyed by all the "failures" of the (very conservative Repub) Michael Brown and the rest of the federal agencies and how everyone is ranting "well you just can't trust government to do anything right!!"
Hmmm
I think its all about controlling the blacks. Or at least controlling the poor. When the disaster hit, all people who could afford to get out left. And those without money or ability ot get out stayed.
Then when the first responders tried to come in they were stopped.
We had a FEMA director who did not even know that there were people trapped inside the Superdome. These people had no food or water and all he could do is scratch his head and say "help is comming".
"You're doing a heck of a job brownie"
Yea, and so did Himmler!!! :rolleyes:
Java_man 09-14-2005, 12:38 AM In this case ... the feds problem was apathy and incompetence
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it"
Albert Einstein
ResidentRice 09-14-2005, 01:19 AM The only point of "racism," if you could call it that, I see in this disaster is that I seriously doubt if the recovery effort would have taken so long were it to have struck an affluent white community, such as Miami.
Its weird, I don't think the response was slow because they were black, but I feel that the response would have been faster if they were white. Does that make sense?
Feenix566 09-14-2005, 10:27 AM In a truly sick way, the Race-Baiting Variety of Libs actually savor this disaster. It gives them ample opportunities for primetime Bush Bashing.
The libs are merely using Katrina as an oppurtunity to take a cheap, political propaganda shot at the Republicans, at the expense of thousands of suffering people.
It's no surprise at all, and they'll move on to the next oppurtunity the moment it presents itself.
What you don't see is, that you're doing the same thing. True SOME of the libs are making this an opportunity to bash Republicans, as they tend to do with every single headline that comes along. But now you're doing the same thing by accusing ALL libs of sinking to the same level. They're creating partisanship, and you're also creating partisanship by reacting that way. You're both polarizing the nation, and hindering real discussion about what needs to be done to make America better.
Brian 09-14-2005, 11:45 AM Well said Feenix.
No, I do not think for a second it was engineered to do anything. All Katrina did was uncover a level of incompitence we all knew existed in the gov't but many were afraid to admit.
boedicca 09-14-2005, 01:13 PM What you don't see is, that you're doing the same thing. True SOME of the libs are making this an opportunity to bash Republicans, as they tend to do with every single headline that comes along. But now you're doing the same thing by accusing ALL libs of sinking to the same level. They're creating partisanship, and you're also creating partisanship by reacting that way. You're both polarizing the nation, and hindering real discussion about what needs to be done to make America better.
I do believe I limited my remark to the RACE BAITING VARIETY of Libs - ie, the Jesse Jacksons of the world.
They are the ones who have exploited this disaster for political gain.
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