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So much for the idea of being past draft age . Now they are recruiting people who re just a step below seniors .

Damn, I have to worry about being drafted until I'm 42? Oh, wait, I don't. :usa:

Damn, I have to worry about being drafted until I'm 42? Oh, wait, I don't. :usa:

This is not good ! 42 is too old to handle war if MIA or POW .

Don't worry folks. It'll take nothing short of nuclear armageddon for them to start drafting the old folks.

Don't worry folks. It'll take nothing short of nuclear armageddon for them to start drafting the old folks.


This is the threat . Guess we'll just sit back and wait and see . :confused: . Better than being in-tolerent .

Don't worry folks. It'll take nothing short of nuclear armageddon for them to start drafting the old folks.
They start a draft, there's gonna be an immediate end to military operations, or someone who promises to end it will be elected. Time for the LP to step up then.

They start a draft, there's gonna be an immediate end to military operations, or someone who promises to end it will be elected. Time for the LP to step up then.


They've already instituted a form of 'backdoor' draft ... veterans who have exited military service are being recallled and active duty personnel are being 'involuntarily' extended. Sooner or later, if things keep up, then the gov't will need more meat forthe meat-grinder and will institute a full-blown draft ... and the first to go will probably be those teenagers who have just turn 18 and 19. The exact same kids who didn't get to vote in the last election. Who's that for fair ? Vote for Bush, send someone else's son to die.

I'll go to war with my own country if I'm ever "drafted."
I'll fight my own wars, not somebody elses.

I'll go to war with my own country if I'm ever "drafted."
I'll fight my own wars, not somebody elses.

Me too.

I'd rather go down in a hail of gunfire on my front lawn than in some desert halfway around the world. Screw that... I have nothing to do with those people. "Drafting" is the removal of ones freedom, and certainly threatens my livelihood more than some bakalakadaka in derkaderkastan.

They've already instituted a form of 'backdoor' draft ... veterans who have exited military service are being recallled and active duty personnel are being 'involuntarily' extended.

Actually that's been part of the aggreement when you sign up for a LOOOOOOOONG time now. Way before Bush's time.

Older people are USUALLY more mature, more intelliegent, and better tempered. I don't see a problem with this. Best of all they are more expendable, eventhough youth is completely wasted on the young.

Older people are USUALLY more mature, more intelliegent, and better tempered. I don't see a problem with this. Best of all they are more expendable, eventhough youth is completely wasted on the young.


heh, you calling me 'expandable ? :eek7:

They've already instituted a form of 'backdoor' draft ... veterans who have exited military service are being recallled and active duty personnel are being 'involuntarily' extended. Sooner or later, if things keep up, then the gov't will need more meat forthe meat-grinder and will institute a full-blown draft ... and the first to go will probably be those teenagers who have just turn 18 and 19. The exact same kids who didn't get to vote in the last election. Who's that for fair ? Vote for Bush, send someone else's son to die.



maybe this is why bush has opened up flood gates for illegals ? Whitey isn't having kids anymore , so we need more for comming armagedden . What a mess we'r in ! :confused:

Sooner or later, if things keep up, then the gov't will need more meat forthe meat-grinder and will institute a full-blown draft ... and the first to go will probably be those teenagers who have just turn 18 and 19. The exact same kids who didn't get to vote in the last election. Who's that for fair ? Vote for Bush, send someone else's son to die.

Incorrect

The most likely to be drafted, if there is a military draft, are 20 year olds, then 21...22...23...24...25, then down to 19, and finally 18.

18 and 19 year olds are actually the least likely to be drafted, in the event of a draft.

"The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20-25 age group are called."

From the selective service website:

http://www.sss.gov/fslottery.htm

my pappy was 62 when he got army orders to report to fort ord in case of mobilization.

my pappy was 62 when he got army orders to report to fort ord in case of mobilization.

What country is fort ord in ?

What country is fort ord in ?\

california - you know, the golden state :|

Fort ord no longer exists.

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So much for the idea of being past draft age . Now they are recruiting people who re just a step below seniors .


For crying out loud, please learn to post the links not just the site. You do this constantly and it's terribly aggravating.

Here....when you're on the page you decide is a good source for thread topic, go to the address bar in your browser. Should look something like this
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/486772~a07f1c9fead81795b523e50418c55fc8/AddyBarIE.gif

1. Select/highlight ALL of the text in the address bar.
2. Press and hold Ctrl key and 'C' at the same time to copy the highlighted text.
3. Go to DA and start your thread topic.
4. In the text area press Ctrl key and 'V' at the same time to paste your copied text to the thread.
5. Congrats! You will have placed an actual link to an article rather than one to the main site. People can now navigate directly to the article you're referring to without having to hunt for it on their own.

Not positive, but the above should work on a Mac if you replace Ctrl key with Cmd key.

Feel free to find more Newsmax and WND items for us to discuss and you can practice linking the article, not just the site's main page.

They've already instituted a form of 'backdoor' draft ... veterans who have exited military service are being recallled and active duty personnel are being 'involuntarily' extended. Sooner or later, if things keep up, then the gov't will need more meat forthe meat-grinder and will institute a full-blown draft ... and the first to go will probably be those teenagers who have just turn 18 and 19. The exact same kids who didn't get to vote in the last election. Who's that for fair ? Vote for Bush, send someone else's son to die.
I know, and frankly, I dislike that policy. The backdoor draft is stupid. They've served their time, let them live in peace. If they want to join back up, let them. And my position has nothing to do with Bush, the war, or anything else, but my complete and utter respect for those who volunteer to serve this country well, especially the grunts. The officers and idiots in the military, screw them. Let them go back in.

The officers and idiots in the military, screw them. Let them go back in.

Ugh Here we go again with your Anti-Officer diatribe....

Incase you didn't know, Officers (including my dad) can be recalled to Active Duty status up to the age of 62. Most enlistee's cannot be recalled once their 8 year military service obligation is up (The Army has to honor that contract just as much as the enlistee does when he/she signs up).

I dislike most officers. I do know quite a few officers who I really like, but they seem to be a rarity nowadays.

For crying out loud, please learn to post the links not just the site. You do this constantly and it's terribly aggravating.

Here....when you're on the page you decide is a good source for thread topic, go to the address bar in your browser. Should look something like this
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/486772~a07f1c9fead81795b523e50418c55fc8/AddyBarIE.gif

1. Select/highlight ALL of the text in the address bar.
2. Press and hold Ctrl key and 'C' at the same time to copy the highlighted text.
3. Go to DA and start your thread topic.
4. In the text area press Ctrl key and 'V' at the same time to paste your copied text to the thread.
5. Congrats! You will have placed an actual link to an article rather than one to the main site. People can now navigate directly to the article you're referring to without having to hunt for it on their own.

Not positive, but the above should work on a Mac if you replace Ctrl key with Cmd key.

Feel free to find more Newsmax and WND items for us to discuss and you can practice linking the article, not just the site's main page.



Ok, thanks, I'll try this .


Didn't work no address bar found.

I would bet on a regiment of 42 year olds versus a regiment of 24 years olds anyday.

Especially if the 42 years olds are veterans.

I must admit Manstein I dislike officers too. British officers that is, not too fussed about American ones though I wouldn't think they are too different.

For crying out loud, please learn to post the links not just the site. You do this constantly and it's terribly aggravating.

Here....when you're on the page you decide is a good source for thread topic, go to the address bar in your browser. Should look something like this
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/486772~a07f1c9fead81795b523e50418c55fc8/AddyBarIE.gif

1. Select/highlight ALL of the text in the address bar.
2. Press and hold Ctrl key and 'C' at the same time to copy the highlighted text.
3. Go to DA and start your thread topic.
4. In the text area press Ctrl key and 'V' at the same time to paste your copied text to the thread.
5. Congrats! You will have placed an actual link to an article rather than one to the main site. People can now navigate directly to the article you're referring to without having to hunt for it on their own.

Not positive, but the above should work on a Mac if you replace Ctrl key with Cmd key.

Feel free to find more Newsmax and WND items for us to discuss and you can practice linking the article, not just the site's main page.

Ditto,
Samson

I must admit Manstein I dislike officers too. British officers that is, not too fussed about American ones though I wouldn't think they are too different.

Why?

Because they have a college degree, and most enlisted men/women don't?
(BTW The benefits provided to enlisted men, aside from base salary, far outweigh those provided to Officers.) For instance, Officers arent eligible for the Montgomery G.I. Bill (70 Grand for college!), or the College Loan repayment programs. The notion that enlisted men are **** on by Officers, and that Officers live the high life isn't very accurate.

I'm not familiar with British Officers, so I can't comment on them.

I know, and frankly, I dislike that policy. The backdoor draft is stupid. They've served their time, let them live in peace. If they want to join back up, let them. And my position has nothing to do with Bush, the war, or anything else, but my complete and utter respect for those who volunteer to serve this country well, especially the grunts. The officers and idiots in the military, screw them. Let them go back in.


Flaming liberal,

I never knew you had such a profound respect for me. I am a 'grunt'. But a 'grunt' with a brain.

Incase you didn't know, Officers (including my dad) can be recalled to Active Duty status up to the age of 62. Most enlistee's cannot be recalled once their 8 year military service obligation is up (The Army has to honor that contract just as much as the enlistee does when he/she signs up).


So why is that some soldiers who have more than 8 years in service are being involuntarily recalled to service after the end of their contract ?

For instance, Officers arent eligible for the Montgomery G.I. Bill (70 Grand for college!), or the College Loan repayment programs. The notion that enlisted men are **** on by Officers, and that Officers live the high life isn't very accurate.


The GI Bill isn't $70,000 for college. You only get that much under VERY specific circumstances ... and most people don't qualify. $28,000 for college is more likely.

And the notion that officers sh!t on the enlisted is dead on. They always say that 'rank has it privileges' and enlisted have no rank ... but we respond that officers are certainl more 'rank' than the enlisted. The officers are little more than rotten dirty b@stards.

Flaming liberal,

I never knew you had such a profound respect for me. I am a 'grunt'. But a 'grunt' with a brain.
Damn straight I do. What's that saying? "Soldiers get scars while the officers get stars"? And I know you have a brain. Come on, you have to have a brain, because, well, let's face, you have BB.

I dislike most officers. I do know quite a few officers who I really like, but they seem to be a rarity nowadays.

Why do you dislike them?

<-- is an officer

Most come out of the academies thinking they know everything. They go somewhere and try to change everything up, not realizing the the NCOs, who really run the military, know what's best, and they ignore their NCOs. The achieved unit integrity is lost, must be rebuilt, and the dynamics shift. The group must rebuild itself, but by the time that's happened, the guy's been promoted because his NCOs fixed everything, and it starts all over again. The good officers listen to the men, follow their NCOs' advice, and know that the ring on their finger doesn't count for a hill of beans.

Most come out of the academies thinking they know everything. They go somewhere and try to change everything up, not realizing the the NCOs, who really run the military, know what's best, and they ignore their NCOs. The achieved unit integrity is lost, must be rebuilt, and the dynamics shift. The group must rebuild itself, but by the time that's happened, the guy's been promoted because his NCOs fixed everything, and it starts all over again. The good officers listen to the men, follow their NCOs' advice, and know that the ring on their finger doesn't count for a hill of beans.

Do all your officers come from a military college or can you be promoted from the ranks or enter directly from a civilian university?

I believe the term is "Stallion." It might be "mustang." It's some sort of horse name like that.
Anyway, enlisted men go to OCS (Organized Chicken Sh!t, I mean Officers' Candidate School), where they then learn how to become officers. It's different from the Academies. Plus no class ring. They have the sucky position of not being in "the group," because they're not from the Academies, but they also aren't able to fraternize with the grunts because they are now officers. My knowledge of how ROTC works is limited, but my understanding is that you go through a additional courses to become a Reserve Officer at a civilian university.

I'm not in the military, just in case you didn't know. Never have been, nor can I ever be.

I'm really not surprised that anyone might hold a grudge against the officer corps. Like almost every organization, some mid-managers really suck. But. I am a little puzzeled as to why anyone who has never served under an officer in the military would have any feelings about officers one way or the other? :confused:

Equally confusing is the point of this entire thread, which seems to be totally bogus. I can find not a shread of evidence to support the contention that the military has increased the upper limit of age for recruits from 35 to 42 years. Frankly, I cannot imagine many 42 year olds physically qualifying for duty even if this new age limit was true.

I'm really not surprised that anyone might hold a grudge against the officer corps. Like almost every organization, some mid-managers really suck. But. I am a little puzzeled as to why anyone who has never served under an officer in the military would have any feelings about officers one way or the other? :confused:
Lose a friend to an officer's stupidity, only to see him promoted when he should be placed in the stockade.

Some officers are cool as hell and some are dicks. Imagine that- just like evey other segment of society.

And OCS (or any prior-enlisted) officers tend to be way cooler than academy officers. You can just smell which officers come from the academy and which ones have actually expierenced real life before the military.

So why is that some soldiers who have more than 8 years in service are being involuntarily recalled to service after the end of their contract ?

I believe you are referring to Stop-loss. As you and I know, the Army isn't meeting it's recruiting goals, and a long war is still being fought as we speak. Some soldiers need to continue to stay deployed after their 8 year MSO runs out. I don't know of any soldiers who have been "recalled" from civilian status after their 8 year MSO has run out.

And the notion that officers sh!t on the enlisted is dead on. They always say that 'rank has it privileges' and enlisted have no rank ... but we respond that officers are certainl more 'rank' than the enlisted. The officers are little more than rotten dirty b@stards.

LOL

People like you make me wonder if going into the Army as an Officer is even worth it. Why try and lead men who have no respect for me just because I'm an Officer? No matter what I do, I'll have a negative Stigma because of my rank.

Damn straight I do. What's that saying? "Soldiers get scars while the officers get stars"? And I know you have a brain.

I think that is a blatant insult and slap in the face of all the Officers who have ever died serving this country.

Most come out of the academies thinking they know everything.

Incorrect, most do not come from the Academies. However you are correct that the ones that do come from places like West Point and Annapolis are generally considered more pompous and arrogant than other Officers. (Even OCS'ers and ROTC Officers view the Academy Officers as Pompous)

Anyway, enlisted men go to OCS (Organized Chicken Sh!t, I mean Officers' Candidate School), where they then learn how to become officers.

You do realize that there are NCO's with 10+ years under their belt, who goes into OCS to become Officers. I just want to get this straight....When the Omniscient NCO goes into OCS after 10 years of service as enlisted...does he then become Chicken ****?

How about Officers who recieved a battlefield Commission (Like Colonel Bob Howard, 1 medal of honor, reccomended for the medal 3 times)? All Chicken **** huh?

I just find this odd because I've seen you rail against people on this board for judging all minorities as uneducated, and stereotyping others. Yet your bias against Officers and blatant stereotyping here is very appearent. I guess we all have our demons....

My knowledge of how ROTC works is limited, but my understanding is that you go through a additional courses to become a Reserve Officer at a civilian university.

Yes that is basically how it works...You recieve your commission when you graduate.

Lose a friend to an officer's stupidity, only to see him promoted when he should be placed in the stockade.

Details....

Do all your officers come from a military college or can you be promoted from the ranks or enter directly from a civilian university?

It all depends. Some officers come from a military college like West Point or the Naval Academy, not all though. Marine officers generally will go through our OCS (http://www.ocs.usmc.mil/). There are also programs in place for enlisted to become officers like the marine enlisted comissioning program. We can also be commissioned as warrant officers, which doesn't require any college degree.

Personally I have no desire to be an officer. I'm no good at brown nosing or writing silly policies. I prefer to actually accomplish things.

There are some officers that are worth their weight in gold, and there are others who are idiots that do nothing but hinder the mission (I'm currently working for one:mad: ). The officers that are worth their weight are the ones who take the time to listen to the NCO's(that's me) and can learn from our experience and judgement. There's nothing worse than an officer who gets a big head and doesn't listen to us, but in the end, they always get what's coming to them.

Manstein I understand where you're coming from (an officer's house), but you should remember that many, many officers and enlisted men never see actual warfare or even come close to it. So in that scenario officers become just more middle-management bastards who do nothing but push papers all day and wouldn't dream of dirtying their soft little hands. meanwhile they get paid twice as much as enlisted men (who work twice as hard) and also have complete and utter control over every facet of their lives, including the authority to put enlisted dudes in jail for "disrespect" (I myself did two weeks in restriction for 'lying to an officer').

So its very understandable that some enlisted folks hate officers, even if it is a broad generalization and a little rash.

Organized Chicken **** is not an insult to those who attend, but the institution itself. It's not a mockery of the men. Keep that straight.
And I respect any man who dies serving this country for a cause he belives in, doesn't matter if it's in the military or not.
Most of my bias comes from talking to my enlisted friends (when they're home), and hearing them complain about this and that, and picking up what they really mean.

Details....
Wrote up some transfer papers because he didn't like the dude and filed a false report. He was promoted for something or another. He lied about it all. Never did sort it out (my friend was more of a family friend of sorts) got shipped out to South Korea. That's how I met him. He came back stateside eventually, and this guy I know who's retired Army Intel was his friend, and that's how I met him. Got the story from Army Intel dude.
I should have given more details. It sounds more like my best friend died for another officer's stupidity, and he was promoted for that stupidity.

Why?

Because they have a college degree, and most enlisted men/women don't?
(BTW The benefits provided to enlisted men, aside from base salary, far outweigh those provided to Officers.) For instance, Officers arent eligible for the Montgomery G.I. Bill (70 Grand for college!), or the College Loan repayment programs. The notion that enlisted men are **** on by Officers, and that Officers live the high life isn't very accurate.

Not all officers have degrees, I could have gone for a commission and decided not to.

They are taught they are better than the men yet they dont behave better.

Officers get away with things for which the men face harsh punishments for minor offences.

Instead of setting an example many take a back seat. They are generally speaking incredibly arrogant people.

There are some good officer, I met maybe one or two but they were ex-rankers.

I left the military 20 years ago so my bitterness have lost it's edge. But still I like to catch them drink driving. :p


I'm not familiar with British Officers, so I can't comment on them.

That is what the are like!

Equally confusing is the point of this entire thread, which seems to be totally bogus. I can find not a shread of evidence to support the contention that the military has increased the upper limit of age for recruits from 35 to 42 years. Frankly, I cannot imagine many 42 year olds physically qualifying for duty even if this new age limit was true.

I would. Better than many 20 year olds in fact I did a fitness test recently and beat most of the young people there.

Whether that is because I am fit and they are not is a moot point.

42 is not decrepit you know.

Not all officers have degrees, I could have gone for a commission and decided not to.



In the US they have to have degrees (except for warrant officers, but you have to be an E7 or above to become one and they barely make the same money as a pimply-faced 23 year-old Lt. JG)





I would. Better than many 20 year olds in fact I did a fitness test recently and beat most of the young people there.

Whether that is because I am fit and they are not is a moot point.

42 is not decrepit you know.

This is true. My brother's in his mid-thirties and he can run circles around me, even though I'm in pretty decent shape. That dude is fit.

In the US they have to have degrees (except for warrant officers, but you have to be an E7 or above to become one and they barely make the same money as a pimply-faced 23 year-old Lt. JG)

I cant believe all US officer have degrees, maybe degrees are easy to come by?

In the British army warrant officers can earn more than most junior officers.

It depends what trade you are as well. A Sergeant technician can earn more than an officer in the infantry (affectionately known as 'bullet stoppers').

I only ever intending going in for 6 years, to go for officer would have required a longer commitment.

I cant believe all US officer have degrees, maybe degrees are easy to come by?



All U.S Officers are required to have a College degree (or 90 credit hours if they are going into OCS while being prior enlisted).

There are many NCO's who bust their ass while on Active Duty to get those 90 credit hours (night school and other things), so they can gain entry into OCS and recieve a commission.

yup. If we're talking about military commissioned officers, you gotta have a degree.

As far as degrees being easy to obtain, if you don't care what kind of degree or from which institution you get it, then sure it can be easy (and I'm sure that's the case for at least a few officers).

I'm hoping to go back in as a medical officer after I finish my four-year (and go to med school obviously). Go sew the legs back on some Iraqi orphans and stuff the guts back into a few hapless grunts to do my part 'n all.

yup. If we're talking about military commissioned officers, you gotta have a degree.
Except warrant officers.

There should be no discrimination against applicants based on age. There should of course be discrimination based on performance on intelligence testing and performance on physical fitness testing.

*cough* no direct link +1 *cough*
Wow I actually think I can agree with Snouter!!
and I'm somewhat surprised H2G2fan hasn't made any H2G2 related joke yet ... 42, ffs ... :|

All U.S Officers are required to have a College degree (or 90 credit hours if they are going into OCS while being prior enlisted).

There are many NCO's who bust their ass while on Active Duty to get those 90 credit hours (night school and other things), so they can gain entry into OCS and recieve a commission.

Really? that is interesting.

The Police here went through a stage of wanting graduates, I went into the military whilst my mate got a degree. My service counts towards my pension so I retire before him and I am a higher rank.

yup. If we're talking about military commissioned officers, you gotta have a degree.

As far as degrees being easy to obtain, if you don't care what kind of degree or from which institution you get it, then sure it can be easy (and I'm sure that's the case for at least a few officers).

I'm hoping to go back in as a medical officer after I finish my four-year (and go to med school obviously). Go sew the legs back on some Iraqi orphans and stuff the guts back into a few hapless grunts to do my part 'n all.

Good for you, a worthwhile career.

Most kids these days go into secondary eduaction, when I left school i didnt and that was the accepted norm. maybe that is the difference.

Personally I dont rate degrees that much. Mind you that is probably because I dont have one :)

Except warrant officers.

Warrant officers hold warrants, not commissions.

Most kids these days go into secondary eduaction, when I left school i didnt and that was the accepted norm. maybe that is the difference.

Personally I dont rate degrees that much. Mind you that is probably because I dont have one :) .

I have two, and am working on a third degree, and I don't highly rate their intrinsic value. In fact, it is probably because I can compare what I had to learn to receive the degrees, with the jobs, work assignments and missions that required me to have these degrees that I have this perspective.

Nothing bests the School of Hard Knocks.

But while this might better qualify 42 year olds for military service, I still cannot imagine that many would be physically prepared. Not so much that today's military requirtes long marches carrying heavy rucksacs (actually their are plenty of volunteers for these missions), but the long 18+hour days, 7 days/week, destroy the mental effectiveness of most people over the age of 40. Unless..............

The military has begun issuing "supplements" that would enhance these 40+ year ols performance? Perhaps not a far-fetched conjecture, considering the perscriptions now available.
Samson

The military has begun issuing "supplements" that would enhance these 40+ year ols performance? Perhaps not a far-fetched conjecture, considering the perscriptions now available.


The only 'supplements' that the army really allows are the basic three drugs for America ... Alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. And you're right, without these three drugs, the US Army simply wouldn't be able to function the same way.

Ask the air force pilots about military issued or allowed drugs ? First of war there was something about a pilot being court marshelled for shooting wrong targets . I forgot, but it ended with pilots having too many hours in flight and something about drugs .

Anyway aren't most Americans on some form of meds or another ? I know that the media and advertisers are always pushing some new miracle drug for the drug co.s . That is when they aren't pushing perversion and down with America and whitey .

Idol mind is devils workshop . Nothing more idol than drug induced brain .

Warrant officers hold warrants, not commissions.
Technicly yes, but they're still officers as much as any captain. Usually more respected.

Also, don't forget the LDO program. LDO's are commissioned and do not have degrees.

But while this might better qualify 42 year olds for military service, I still cannot imagine that many would be physically prepared. Not so much that today's military requirtes long marches carrying heavy rucksacs (actually their are plenty of volunteers for these missions), but the long 18+hour days, 7 days/week, destroy the mental effectiveness of most people over the age of 40. Unless..............

The military has begun issuing "supplements" that would enhance these 40+ year ols performance? Perhaps not a far-fetched conjecture, considering the perscriptions now available.
Samson

I disagree, I think that older men are able to handle longer hours better than younger ones. You need less sleep as you get older.


Technicly yes, but they're still officers as much as any captain. Usually more respected.

Also, don't forget the LDO program. LDO's are commissioned and do not have degrees.

You dont salute warrant officers in the US do you?

In the UK forces warrant officers hold warrants whereas commissioned officer hold a commissions from the Queen.

Commission is from the old days when the rich were given a commission to raise a regiment or company (at their own expense) on behalf of the monarch.

I disagree, I think that older men are able to handle longer hours better than younger ones. You need less sleep as you get older.




You dont salute warrant officers in the US do you?

In the UK forces warrant officers hold warrants whereas commissioned officer hold a commissions from the Queen.

Commission is from the old days when the rich were given a commission to raise a regiment or company (at their own expense) on behalf of the monarch.


It's not that you 'need'less sleep, it's just that you 'get' less sleep . And it could make a heck of a soldier out of you, because it makes you meaner .

You dont salute warrant officers in the US do you?
Of course we do! They're officers. They rate the same honors as any officer. In the Marines they carry the same Mameluke sword as well.
You mean to tell me that in the UK you don't?

I get a feeling I'm being ignored on my own thread !

It's not that you 'need'less sleep, it's just that you 'get' less sleep . And it could make a heck of a soldier out of you, because it makes you meaner .

LOL Yes I suppose that is true.

Of course we do! They're officers. They rate the same honors as any officer. In the Marines they carry the same Mameluke sword as well.
You mean to tell me that in the UK you don't?

No warrant officers dont carry a commission so they are not saluted. You do stand to attention when they speak to you though.

In a regiment the Regimental Sgt Major has a direct line to the Colonel in charge. Very few of the commissioned officers will cross an RSM.

It is a complicated system which has developed over hundreds of years.

Here is a little chart which explains it all:

General

Faster than a speeding bullet.
More powerful than a locomotive.
Leaps tall buildings in a single bound.
Walks on water.
Lunches with God, but must pick up tab.

Colonel

Almost as fast as a speeding bullet.
More powerful than a shunting engine on a steep incline.
Leaps short buildings with a single bound.
Walks on water if sea is calm.
Talks to God.

Lieutenant-Colonel

Faster than an energetically thrown rock.
Almost as powerful as a speeding bullet.
Leaps short buildings with a running start in favourable winds.
Walks on water of indoor swimming pools if lifeguard is present.
May be granted audience with God if special request is approved at least three working days in advance.

Major

Can fire a speeding bullet with tolerable accuracy.
Loses tug-of-war against anything mechanical.
Makes impressively high marks when trying to leap tall buildings.
Swims well.
Is occasionally addressed by God, in passing.

Captain

Can sometimes handle firearm without shooting self.
Is run over by trains.
Barely clears outhouse.
Dog paddles.
Mumbles to self.

Lieutenant

Is dangerous to self and comrades if armed and unsupervised.
Recognizes trains two out of three times.
Runs into tall buildings.
Can stay afloat if properly instructed in the use of life jacket and water wings.
Talks to walls.

2nd Lieutenant

Can be trusted with either gun or ammunition but never both.
Must have train ticket pinned to jacket and mittens tied to sleeves.
Falls over doorsteps while trying to enter tall buildings.
Plays in Mud puddles.
Studders.

Officer Cadet

Under no circumstances to be issued with gun or ammunition, and must even be closely supervised when handling sharp pieces of paper - staples are right out.
Says: "Look at choo choo!"
Not allowed inside buildings of any size.
Makes good boat anchor.
Mere existence makes God shudder.

Sergeant-Major

Catches hyper sonic armour peircing fin stabilized discarding sabot depleted uranium long rod penetrators in his teeth and eats them.
Kicks bullet trains off their tracks.
Uproots tall buildings and walk under them.
Freezes water with a single glance; parts it with trifling gesture.

He Is God.

Wow, it's a bit hard for me to fathom not saluting warrant officers. It's just ingrained into me after the last 9 years of doing it. Around here you'll get a stern talking to for not saluting a Lieutenant, but you'll be torn to bits if you don't salute a warrant officer. Kind of backwards...

General

Faster than a speeding bullet.
More powerful than a locomotive.
Leaps tall buildings in a single bound.
Walks on water.
Lunches with God, but must pick up tab.

Colonel

Almost as fast as a speeding bullet.
More powerful than a shunting engine on a steep incline.
Leaps short buildings with a single bound.
Walks on water if sea is calm.
Talks to God.

Lieutenant-Colonel

Faster than an energetically thrown rock.
Almost as powerful as a speeding bullet.
Leaps short buildings with a running start in favourable winds.
Walks on water of indoor swimming pools if lifeguard is present.
May be granted audience with God if special request is approved at least three working days in advance.

Major

Can fire a speeding bullet with tolerable accuracy.
Loses tug-of-war against anything mechanical.
Makes impressively high marks when trying to leap tall buildings.
Swims well.
Is occasionally addressed by God, in passing.

Captain

Can sometimes handle firearm without shooting self.
Is run over by trains.
Barely clears outhouse.
Dog paddles.
Mumbles to self.

Lieutenant

Is dangerous to self and comrades if armed and unsupervised.
Recognizes trains two out of three times.
Runs into tall buildings.
Can stay afloat if properly instructed in the use of life jacket and water wings.
Talks to walls.

2nd Lieutenant

Can be trusted with either gun or ammunition but never both.
Must have train ticket pinned to jacket and mittens tied to sleeves.
Falls over doorsteps while trying to enter tall buildings.
Plays in Mud puddles.
Studders.

Officer Cadet

Under no circumstances to be issued with gun or ammunition, and must even be closely supervised when handling sharp pieces of paper - staples are right out.
Says: "Look at choo choo!"
Not allowed inside buildings of any size.
Makes good boat anchor.
Mere existence makes God shudder.

Sergeant-Major

Catches hyper sonic armour peircing fin stabilized discarding sabot depleted uranium long rod penetrators in his teeth and eats them.
Kicks bullet trains off their tracks.
Uproots tall buildings and walk under them.
Freezes water with a single glance; parts it with trifling gesture.

He Is God. :roflmao:I love it!