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Did you know that there are 21 Spanish-speaking countries? By 2050, nearly one-quarter of the United States population will be Latino. In fact, they are now the largest ethnic minority here, according to the latest statistics.

From our junior high school days, students are taught that Christopher Columbus discovered the "New World" in 1492. Since then, continued Latino immigration to our country has enhanced American culture with Spanish music and art, literature and food, and the virtues of family work.

With today's focus on globalization, Americans are indeed living in a bilingual America. As a result, Spanish has become just as common as the English language in our society.

What about other ethnicities? Do they count too?

What about other ethnicities? Do they count too?

Sure. And when they reach number two they'll count even more! :|

I prefer my culture over that of 3rd world invaders thanks very much.

I prefer my culture over that of 3rd world invaders thanks very much.

Yours it already is.

Let me rephrase: I don't want my culture eventually REPLACED.

Let me rephrase: I don't want my culture eventually REPLACED.

It already has been. Long before you were born.

Southern culture is still alive and well.

jojo, this ridiculous article is a year and a half old. :mad:

There are more Mexican restaurants than burger joints in my town, more soccer fields than baseball, and a dreadful amount of funny looking cars with curb feelers and wire wheels. All of this in less than 10 years is called too much foreign culture too fast.

Those things that the invaders bring with them, disease, violent gangs, etc. are really anti-American culture.

Are they good Americanized Mexican restaurants or do they serve hard-core Mexican delicacies like bowls of maggots and that kind of thing?

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Did you know that there are 21 Spanish-speaking countries? By 2050, nearly one-quarter of the United States population will be Latino. In fact, they are now the largest ethnic minority here, according to the latest statistics.

From our junior high school days, students are taught that Christopher Columbus discovered the "New World" in 1492. Since then, continued Latino immigration to our country has enhanced American culture with Spanish music and art, literature and food, and the virtues of family work.

With today's focus on globalization, Americans are indeed living in a bilingual America. As a result, Spanish has become just as common as the English language in our society.

ROFL

Yes! Please turn us into Mexico!

PS

The poverty of the third world inextricably linked to their stunted, bankrupt cultures.

Southern culture is still alive and well.
Southern culture could not be what it is without Mexico and its influence.
jojo, this ridiculous article is a year and a half old. :mad:
There's not much recently written. :p
There are more Mexican restaurants than burger joints in my town, more soccer fields than baseball, and a dreadful amount of funny looking cars with curb feelers and wire wheels. All of this in less than 10 years is called too much foreign culture too fast.
Anglo cuisine and sports are downright awful. It's not a foreign culture and you know it.
Those things that the invaders bring with them, disease, violent gangs, etc. are really anti-American culture.
True. We have all these things without any help.
Are they good Americanized Mexican restaurants or do they serve hard-core Mexican delicacies like bowls of maggots and that kind of thing?
All the good ones are americanized. Decent plumbing and air conditioning can do wonders for food service.
The poverty of the third world inextricably linked to their stunted, bankrupt cultures.
Ours has it and isn't.

Ours has it and isn't.

Ours has what?

Latino culture need to be extinguished in this country. There is no such thing as a prosperous Latino nation, or a prosperous Latino people. Latino "culture" has failed, as have ALL the Latino peoples.

Ours has what?

Latino culture need to be extinguished in this country. There is no such thing as a prosperous Latino nation, or a prosperous Latino people. Latino "culture" has failed, as have ALL the Latino peoples.

There has been no extinguishment. Try harder.

There has been no extinguishment. Try harder.

Believe me I know. Latino culture is polluting America. I believe it will continue to do so until Latinos outnumber actual Americans and American culture is displaced by failure Latino culture. They will then mismanage our nation as they have mismanaged their own since the dawn of Latino culture itself, and then America will be a dirt poor, worthless backwater - like all other Latino nations. Oh well.

then America will be a dirt poor, worthless backwater


The whole country will be taken over by the red states?

The whole country will be taken over by the red states?

After the red states fall to the brown ones.

Mexico makes Alabama look like Augustan Rome.

You from Alabama Sherm?

..... People arguing against integration of other cultures, of course realize that America itself is a completly mut culture?

..... People arguing against integration of other cultures, of course realize that America itself is a completly mut culture?

That's a nice talking point but it's false. America is an Anglo culture with the barest hint of anything else.

And I'm from New England.

..... People arguing against integration of other cultures, of course realize that America itself is a completly mut culture?

***shshshshshshshsh****

jojo is pissing off the crazy people. don't ruin the thread by throwing reason into it!

***shshshshshshshsh****

jojo is pissing off the crazy people. don't ruin the thread by throwing reason into it!

Indeed. How about the two of you cite hallmarks of American culture which do not have Anglo or Western roots?

America is an Anglo culture with the barest hint of anything else.

Prove it.

Here's your AMERICAN culture:

http://www.greatbasingallery.com/gallery/albums/photos/NA_001.jpg

Everything else was brought in by immigrants.

Indeed. How about the two of you cite hallmarks of American culture which do not have Anglo or Western roots?

Spanish roots are western roots.

Cool pic feenix. :nice:

That's a nice talking point but it's false. America is an Anglo culture with the barest hint of anything else.

And I'm from New England.

Mmk, good to know. I’m nearly entirely English tracing back to the late 1500's in America and I beg to differ. Our culture is heavily integrated everywhere with other society's cultures. America was developed so late that in all honesty developing anything original and specific to our culture (Beyond perhaps inventions by the likes of Franklin and later Edison which I wouldn’t consider Culture) is fairly non-existent. Aspects are heavily Anglo-influenced of course, but that can hardly be counted as Culture.

Give me some Cultural Aspects that first came to be in America, that America didn’t merely integrate from other cultures. You’ll find most to be of course European, with strong hints following of Spanish and German. Then Chinese, Irish, and towards the bottom you’d be able to find actual original American culture.

Here's your AMERICAN culture:

http://www.greatbasingallery.com/gallery/albums/photos/NA_001.jpg

Everything else was brought in by immigrants.

The indiginous peoples of this continent were not "Americans". They never identified themselves as American nor did they recognize any such political body until the United States of America was created by the descendants of Englishmen with the ratification of the Constitution.

The indiginous peoples of the Western Hemisphere identified themselves as wholly seperate tribes.

Anglos are the lamest of all white people.

-The Fist

Heh, and Feenix makes that excellent point that I figure could go without saying... But probably needs said, just to remind people.

Mmk, good to know. I’m nearly entirely English tracing back to the late 1500's in America and I beg to differ. Our culture is heavily integrated everywhere with other society's cultures. America was developed so late that in all honesty developing anything original and specific to our culture (Beyond perhaps inventions by the likes of Franklin and later Edison which I wouldn’t consider Culture) is fairly non-existent. Aspects are heavily Anglo-influenced of course, but that can hardly be counted as Culture.

Give me some Cultural Aspects that first came to be in America, that America didn’t merely integrate from other cultures. You’ll find most to be of course European, with strong hints following of Spanish and German. Then Chinese, Irish, and towards the bottom you’d be able to find actual original American culture.

"America is an Anglo culture with the barest hint of anything else."

That is what I said. Now, as I asked earlier,

How about the two of you cite hallmarks of American culture which do not have Anglo roots?

Here's one: the rhythms of Africa combining with those of the American South to create all forms of American popular music. Your turn.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-continents-map.gif

The indiginous peoples of this continent were not "Americans". They never identified themselves as American nor did they recognize any such political body until the United States of America was created by the descendants of Englishmen with the ratification of the Constitution.

The indiginous peoples of the Western Hemisphere identified themselves as wholly seperate tribes.

So go back to England, you dirty immigrant! You're just polluting the Sioux culture!

Your turn.

Ill give you two: Taco's and Ricky Martin.

America is not an anglo nation.

So go back to England, you dirty immigrant! You're just polluting the Sioux culture!

Good argument. I suppose, then, that the English should give England back to the Welsh, and that the Scots should move back to Ulster? The Germans should move, as well, back to the steppes of Central Asia (taking the English with them). This is a very interesting and practical plan you have. Please tell us more.

*yawn*

potyondi

potyondi

Get out. Are you Poty?

Please tell us more.

The Sioux could go back to Mongolia? :shrug:

Good argument. I suppose, then, that the English should give England back to the Welsh, and that the Scots should move back to Ulster? The Germans should move, as well, back to the steppes of Central Asia (taking the English with them). This is a very interesting and practical plan you have. Please tell us more.

*yawn*

Well, since you seem to enjoy its benefits as much as I do (at least in those cases), lets continue to allow peaceful cultural immigration, and attempt to be more accepting of others. It'll happen eventually, and it will only go more quickly if we're friendly about accepting it. Eventually the Spanish will indeed melt themselves in the pot as the Irish and Chinese did. Just be patient and enjoy the benefits, and be glad that America is living out her duty of providing those who want freedom and a better chance at life with the opportunities to make it happen.

The Sioux could go back to Mongolia? :shrug:

Oh **** - I forgot about that. Yes - North America would need to be given back to the wooly mammoths and sabretooth tigers - her rightful owners.

I support having more Germans in the state of California.

Well, since you seem to enjoy its benefits as much as I do (at least in those cases), lets continue to allow peaceful cultural immigration, and attempt to be more accepting of others. It'll happen eventually, and it will only go more quickly if we're friendly about accepting it. Eventually the Spanish will indeed melt themselves in the pot as the Irish and Chinese did. Just be patient and enjoy the benefits, and be glad that America is living out her duty of providing those who want freedom and a better chance at life with the opportunities to make it happen.

I'm not sure where in the Constitution it states that any of that is America's "duty".

I'm not sure where in the Constitution it states that any of that is America's "duty".

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I'm not sure where in the Constitution it says anything about Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Perhaps you could cite the passage?

I'm not sure where in the Constitution it says anything about Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Perhaps you could cite the passage?

It's in the DOI.

I'd like to see your references to the anglo culture in the Constitution. :|

Well, since you seem to enjoy its benefits as much as I do (at least in those cases), lets continue to allow peaceful cultural immigration, and attempt to be more accepting of others. It'll happen eventually, and it will only go more quickly if we're friendly about accepting it. Eventually the Spanish will indeed melt themselves in the pot as the Irish and Chinese did. Just be patient and enjoy the benefits, and be glad that America is living out her duty of providing those who want freedom and a better chance at life with the opportunities to make it happen.

The only people I see that are melting into American culture nowadays are the fine folks from India.

If immigrants from latin countries are melting into our country then why do they need to have signs, books, notices, voting ballots and signs in stores in spanish and english?

It's in the DOI.

I'd like to see your references to the anglo culture in the Constitution. :|

The Declaration of Independence does not define the duties of the American government. And I've never argued it was the "duty" of America to have its cultural roots planted in... wait I don't even know what the **** you're talking about any more. You really don't posess much logic, friend.

I agree Riz. The Indians seem to assimilate better for some reason.

That's a nice talking point but it's false. America is an Anglo culture with the barest hint of anything else.

And I'm from New England.

Indeed. How about the two of you cite hallmarks of American culture which do not have Anglo or Western roots?


Which are you seeking again...proof that American culture has non-Anglo influences? Or did you realize your error and expand it to non-Anglo, non-Western influences?

Just checking.

If immigrants from latin countries are melting into our country then why do they need to have signs, books, notices, voting ballots and signs in stores in spanish and english?

English is not required in America.

English is not required in America.

Ad nauseum.

I agree Riz. The Indians seem to assimilate better for some reason.

To be fair...due to the British influence they have a leg up on the Latinos as most of them already read and speak English. An Indian co-worker actually pointed this out to me. Claims that local languages and dialects can be so unique that often English is a common denominator allowing people from different parts of the country to communicate effectively. http://www.indiatravelogue.com/pass/pass7.html

Not that I agree at all with the dual signage for the Spanish speakers. Just trying to offer opinion on why the Indians might seem to assimilate better.

And that is a damn fine point. They also seem very, very eager. I don't know if that is a cultural thing or what.

English is not required in America.

Neither is spanish. Or Italian, chinese, french, german...

Neither is spanish. Or Italian, chinese, french, german...

You are correct. :)

Anglo-centrists should pack up and go back to their homeland.

Homeland? Now there is a word I can't tolerate.

Anglo-centrists should pack up and go back to their homeland.

America, as an Anglo nation, is our homeland. And I don't have drop of English blood in me, btw.

And I don't have drop of English blood in me, btw.

And I'm from New England.

Thats slightly confusing...
:hmm:

Thats slightly confusing...
:hmm:

"New England" is a place, "English blood" denotes English ancestry, which I do not have.

"New England" is a place, "English blood" denotes English ancestry, which I do not have.


Ahhh Sorry. I dropped the mental ball on that one... I was thinking you were claiming some kind of cultural right by being from England.

A spaniard, a frenchman, and a german are sitting around talking about which of their languages sounds best. the spaniard says, take for example butterfly. in spanish, it is mariposa. a beautiful word. the frenchman says in french it is papillion, which is even more beautiful. the german looks up and says "what the hell is wrong with schmetterlink?"

A spaniard, a frenchman, and a german are sitting around talking about which of their languages sounds best. the spaniard says, take for example butterfly. in spanish, it is mariposa. a beautiful word. the frenchman says in french it is papillion, which is even more beautiful. the german looks up and says "what the hell is wrong with schmetterlink?"


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And the 'pleasantness of the sound of a language' is entirely subjective based on the cultural view point of the listener.

I, for one, find German to be a wonderful sounding language ... heck, IMHO, a woman speaking German is inherently sexier than the same woman speaking most any other language. One of my few regrets for my life is that I never learned to speak German well.

Spanish, OTOH, is a mongrel language. Well, Euro-Spanish isn't, but at least Central American Spanish is. Most of the dialects of Spanish that come from the Western Hemisphere are combinations of Spanish and various languages of conquered native peoples. Puerta Rican is a different dialect from Cuban, both of which are different from Mexican, and all three are different from Panamanian. I think they all suck ... and they each belong in their respective 'home' countries (i.e. Puerta Rican in Puerta Rico; Cuban in Cuba, etc).

I prefer my culture over that of 3rd world invaders thanks very much.

3rd world invaders? How much of 'america' was spanish speaking from the get-go, before we manifest destinied the area?

And besides, all of the new world except for brazil, the u.s. canada, and some islands are spanish speaking. If you look at a scope a bit grander than this country you live in, you'd see that spanish is still pervasive.

You said you prefer your OWN culture, as if your culture hasnt been influenced by the hispanic americans around you. I bet you'd have to be very careful not to mix hispanic american culture in with your own. (you make it sound like you honestly have a choice about cultural influence)

3rd world invaders? How much of 'america' was spanish speaking from the get-go, before we manifest destinied the area?


Near zero. It was occupied by various native tribes who had languages of their own and, it wasn't Spanish.

And besides, all of the new world except for brazil, the u.s. canada, and some islands are spanish speaking. If you look at a scope a bit grander than this country you live in, you'd see that spanish is still pervasive.


Is that how you expect to promote 'diversity' by claiming that 'everyone else is doing it, so we must do the same thing'. Doesn't sound very 'diverse' sounds like 'assimilate or die'.

[/QUOTE]You said you prefer your OWN culture, as if your culture hasnt been influenced by the hispanic americans around you. I bet you'd have to be very careful not to mix hispanic american culture in with your own. (you make it sound like you honestly have a choice about cultural influence)
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I want to be able to choose to 'spice up my 'life-lifeless' Anglo based culture, IF I WANT TO'. I don't want Hispanic culture crammed down my throat and I certainly don't want my country to become hostile to me because my culture is getting replaced by 'others'.

Spanish, OTOH, is a mongrel language. Well, Euro-Spanish isn't, but at least Central American Spanish is. Most of the dialects of Spanish that come from the Western Hemisphere are combinations of Spanish and various languages of conquered native peoples. Puerta Rican is a different dialect from Cuban, both of which are different from Mexican, and all three are different from Panamanian. I think they all suck ... and they each belong in their respective 'home' countries (i.e. Puerta Rican in Puerta Rico; Cuban in Cuba, etc).


I learned in spanish class this summer, that Spanish is just a modern version of the old latin from 2000 years ago. It's the vernacular of latin that developed in spain, ... same for french, and portugese, rumanian, etc.

Latin American spanish is NOT spanish that is part indigenous dialect and part spanish. The examples you use prove it, natives die 500 years ago, soon after conquistadors come to the islands, and they were slaves, and yet they had SUCH an influence on the language that it still exists today? Odd how you mention the spanish of central america, and then talk about PR and Cuba...

They ARE different accents, they sometimes use different words, but they can all understand each other, You sound like a british person saying that the American accent.. of which there are SEVERAL, and the Australian accent, and the South African accent, and New Zealand accent are totally differnet dialects of english, and have no place in this world other than in their own, respective countries!

Even in the united states we use different words for some of the same things, does that mean that those "dialects" should only be spoken in their own region? Terminology, is terminology.

Spanish is what i spoke as a baby, i find it soothing, and beautiful to hear, and even more beautiful to understand. (i guess that's what a mother tongue is all about though)

How is it that all the world's spanish evolved, and castillian spanish didnt? BTW, you mentioned the beauty of spainish spanish and yet forgot to mention that they adopted and formed their dialects so thoroughly that they are actually their own different languages. Catalonian, and Galatian, and other regional spanish, are actual dialects, people speaking spanish (everyone in the new world collectively) cant understand those w/out some instruction, while everyone in the new world understand each other. (New World spanish are not actual dialects where people from other parts of the world cant understand each other. I know for a fact that someone from columbia can understand someone from buenos aires who can understand someone from ecuador. AND speak to someone who went to college from PR and you'd be able to understand them as well... then again, they can speak english as well, so of course you could understand them!)

i would say the exception is if you happen to be in some backwoods somewhere, but i can say the same for the backwoods of the US and english as well.

i would say the exception is if you happen to be in some backwoods somewhere, but i can say the same for the backwoods of the US and english as well.

Being from some 'backwoods' somewhere ?

Like an undeveloped third world country ? Like Central and South America ?

Near zero. It was occupied by various native tribes who had languages of their own and, it wasn't Spanish.

Is that how you expect to promote 'diversity' by claiming that 'everyone else is doing it, so we must do the same thing'. Doesn't sound very 'diverse' sounds like 'assimilate or die'.

You said you prefer your OWN culture, as if your culture hasnt been influenced by the hispanic americans around you. I bet you'd have to be very careful not to mix hispanic american culture in with your own. (you make it sound like you honestly have a choice about cultural influence)


I want to be able to choose to 'spice up my 'life-lifeless' Anglo based culture, IF I WANT TO'. I don't want Hispanic culture crammed down my throat and I certainly don't want my country to become hostile to me because my culture is getting replaced by 'others'.


Assimilate or die? I was just saying that you make it seem like hispanic culture into america is the only thing, hispanic culture is already here,(in the world) it isnt doing what everyone else is doing. I was just saying, that spanish culture already exists and is pervasive, this thread was about spanish culture, not about spanish culture and america.

And you dont think that ANY of the united states was spanish speaking when we manifest destinied it? Florida, texas, southwest, California..... how much of the U.S. was already spanish speaking? (you said none)

You really think that spanish culture is being crammed down your throat, and that you get to choose how much spanish culture you receive in your life? Psh, the lines are blurry when it comes to culture, that is why i said that i bet you have more "hispanic culture" in your american culture than you even realize. If you want to say that you choose how much hispanic culture you share in fine, but there is still blue in the color green, even if you cant see it.

Being from some 'backwoods' somewhere ?

Like an undeveloped third world country ? Like Central and South America ?


Hello, i was just saying that if ANYONE goes to a backwoods they may not understand what people are saying.. that in america it can happen as well.... see how my example was directly lined to the backwoods of the united states, and their OWN dialect that exists there?

ALL of central and south america is just one huge backwoods?

I learned in spanish class this summer, that Spanish is just a modern version of the old latin from 2000 years ago. It's the vernacular of latin that developed in spain, ... same for french, and portugese, rumanian, etc.

Latin American spanish is NOT spanish that is part indigenous dialect and part spanish. The examples you use prove it, natives die 500 years ago,

Wrong. Modern hispanics are decended more from the indiginous peoples than from the Spanish - that is why most Mexicans look more Amerindian than Spanish. Spaniards are "white", Mexicans, puertoricans etc are not.

Wrong. Modern hispanics are decended more from the indiginous peoples than from the Spanish - that is why most Mexicans look more Amerindian than Spanish. Spaniards are "white", Mexicans, puertoricans etc are not.

I dont understand your post, I'm talking about language, (and you are talking about genetics?) and well, I'm dominican and puertorican, despite what EVERY puertorican says about having a full blood taino grandparent, (and a full blood spainish great grandparent) it isnt possible for it to be true.

BTW, i'm from Connecticut, we're not Mexicans, but i wasnt talking about the genetic make-up of latin americans. We are all varying levels of african, indian, and spanish, varying from region to region, and of course from family to family.

He was saying that he spanish we speak in latin america is more indian than spanish, and that ISNT true. (not talking about the genetic makeup of the speakers, but of the words they are speaking.)

My reply is about language, not genetics

I dont understand your post, I'm talking about language, (and you are talking about genetics?) and well, I'm dominican and puertorican, despite what EVERY puertorican says about having a full blood taino grandparent, (and a full blood spainish great grandparent) it isnt possible for it to be true.

BTW, i'm from Connecticut, we're not Mexicans, but i wasnt talking about the genetic make-up of latin americans. We are all varying levels of african, indian, and spanish, varying from region to region, and of course from family to family.

He was saying that he spanish we speak in latin america is more indian than spanish, and that ISNT true. (not talking about the genetic makeup of the speakers, but of the words they are speaking.)

My reply is about language, not genetics

It is a different dialect.

It is a different dialect.

dialect: a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language.

a dialect is ONLY understandable by those from that region who speak that dialect, and that isnt true with spanish. (It is true in Spain, but isnt true in Latin America as a whole.)

By that same token, then a southern accent, and an australian accent, are dialects of english, but they arent b/c it's still all english, it just sounds a little bit different. Jamaican on the other hand is totally a dialect, we cant understand that w/out particular instruction.

I learned in spanish class this summer, that Spanish is just a modern version of the old latin from 2000 years ago. It's the vernacular of latin that developed in spain, ... same for french, and portugese, rumanian, etc.

Latin American spanish is NOT spanish that is part indigenous dialect and part spanish. The examples you use prove it, natives die 500 years ago, soon after conquistadors come to the islands, and they were slaves, and yet they had SUCH an influence on the language that it still exists today? Odd how you mention the spanish of central america, and then talk about PR and Cuba...

They ARE different accents, they sometimes use different words, but they can all understand each other, You sound like a british person saying that the American accent.. of which there are SEVERAL, and the Australian accent, and the South African accent, and New Zealand accent are totally differnet dialects of english, and have no place in this world other than in their own, respective countries!

Even in the united states we use different words for some of the same things, does that mean that those "dialects" should only be spoken in their own region? Terminology, is terminology.

Spanish is what i spoke as a baby, i find it soothing, and beautiful to hear, and even more beautiful to understand. (i guess that's what a mother tongue is all about though)

How is it that all the world's spanish evolved, and castillian spanish didnt? BTW, you mentioned the beauty of spainish spanish and yet forgot to mention that they adopted and formed their dialects so thoroughly that they are actually their own different languages. Catalonian, and Galatian, and other regional spanish, are actual dialects, people speaking spanish (everyone in the new world collectively) cant understand those w/out some instruction, while everyone in the new world understand each other. (New World spanish are not actual dialects where people from other parts of the world cant understand each other. I know for a fact that someone from columbia can understand someone from buenos aires who can understand someone from ecuador. AND speak to someone who went to college from PR and you'd be able to understand them as well... then again, they can speak english as well, so of course you could understand them!)

i would say the exception is if you happen to be in some backwoods somewhere, but i can say the same for the backwoods of the US and english as well.



Since spanish is so great and you love hearing it so much, maybe you could pay an illegal to whisper sweet nothings in your ears , that would be one less lost American job and welfare payment. Who cares what language you love . Most Americans can't stand it . Because it represents a pushy invading culture .

Indians came from another land across the tundras up north. I think it was asia . They later were eskimos who moved south . Mexicans tried to wipe out indians, but failed. They did manage to wipe out the aztecs though and every since Atzlan has been hell hole to live in. like arabs they are nomadic and conquring tribes throughout history . Mostly un-civilized and never have kept up with prospering neighbors . Reason is they don't want to assimilate with educated people, they had rather just war with them or invade and take spoils. Anglo-saxons always knew this and kept them at length , until this last couple generations.

For some reason world leaders want the educated extinquished . Maybe because we are harder to control than the ignorant as history has proven time and again .

Civilized cultures are always invaded in the end ,because they forget that even civilized have to be fighters sometimes to survive .

For some reason world leaders want the educated extinquished . Maybe because we are harder to control than the ignorant as history has proven time and again .


The easiest way to control the masses is thru a combination of Ignorance and Fear.


Hmmmm .... undermine the education system and then introduce a 'terrorist' element to the public consciousness ... no similarities. None. Not at all.

For some reason world leaders want the educated extinquished . Maybe because we are harder to control than the ignorant as history has proven time and again .

It would seem that you are being controlled just fine.

Since spanish is so great and you love hearing it so much, maybe you could pay an illegal to whisper sweet nothings in your ears , that would be one less lost American job and welfare payment. Who cares what language you love . Most Americans can't stand it . Because it represents a pushy invading culture .

Outright dissed on DA, in all my posts, i'd have to say that is the first! (tsk, tsk)

This is offtopic to my post about latin american spanish not being a dialect, but an illegal person is not taking any jobs away from ME. (Do they do the sort of jobs that YOU want to do?)

who cares what language i love? This thread does obviously.
The culture is only pushy and invading if you deny the fact that latin culture has been affecting america for 500 years, before there even WAS america!

Mexicans tried to wipe out indians, but failed. They did manage to wipe out the aztecs though and every since Atzlan has been hell hole to live in.

Mexicans ARE indians, so i dont understand what you are saying.
You actually lived in mexico? I find it hard beleive that you would ever deign to live in someplace so lowly, and actually see for yourself what life is like there. (shrug-just an impression i get)

Pappy&Me, can you try and post with OUT insulting members of the community here for once?

Kraw ... if I said that Pappy&Me reminds me of fruitcake lady (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/fruitcake_lady/) ... would that be a personal attack ?

just askin

ROFL

Yes! Please turn us into Mexico!

PS

The poverty of the third world inextricably linked to their stunted, bankrupt cultures.- LoL, yeah, it's all become clear to me now! It's not the weather, it's not unfair trade or corrupt dictators, doesn't really have anything to do with history - it's because they wear them funny hats, sleep mid-day and eat tacos! :|

dialect: a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language.

a dialect is ONLY understandable by those from that region who speak that dialect- That's not true. A dialect is just a variation of a language. Like american-english or ebonics.

dialect: a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language.

True.

a dialect is ONLY understandable by those from that region who speak that dialect, and that isnt true with spanish. (It is true in Spain, but isnt true in Latin America as a whole.)



???

Why is it that you have the actual definition of "dialect" in front of you, and then you add this fantasy definition to it? The Spanish dialects spoken by Central and South Americans fits the definition of dialect, period. They may not fit the definition you just invented out of thin air, but I don't think your Imaginary Dictionary is relevant here.

http://bowland-files.lancs.ac.uk/monkey/ihe/linguistics/corpus4/4gloss.htm

The term "dialect" is more difficult to define, in comparison to "national variety", since dialects cannot be readily distinguished from languages on solely empirical grounds. However, "dialect" is most commonly used to mean sub-national linguistic variation which is geographically motivated. Therefore, Australian English might not be considered to be a dialect of English, while Scottish English can be regarded this way, as Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom. A smaller subset of Scottish English - such as that which is spoken in Glasgow, would almost certainly be termed a dialect.

It seems we are all a bit wrong about this. (Latin American spanish would NOT be a dialect of Iberian spanish, but the spanish of Sevilla would be.)
-I still disagree that latin american spanish is a lot indian, is it anymore indian than say american english?

In a couple hundred years, we'll all be speaking Spanglish anyway. That doesn't bother me one bit. Spanish is a beautiful language, and I love tacos.

Hearing Mexican-style-Spanish is as annoying as hearing a cricket in the house. What is strange is that Mexican-style news reporters have horrible accents when they speak in English and then they over exaggerate the strange pronounciation of their name. But the non-Mexican-style news reporters speak properly, but also over exaggerate Mexican-style-Spanish names.

I love tacos.

everyone loves tacos!!, even those who hate that hispanic culture is apart of american culture, (they can say that tacos are from CA and CA is a part of the US.) ;)

btw, i find it quite interesting that on channel 7 news, Carolina whatever-her-name gets her names pronounced, "Care-oh-leeena" not "Care-oh-line-uh."

carolina just sounds so pretty in spanish, and so blah in english. (cah-ro-leen-uh)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/jcorioso/kidsmex.jpg

In a couple hundred years, we'll all be speaking Spanglish anyway. That doesn't bother me one bit. Spanish is a beautiful language, and I love tacos.

That's the beauty of the American culture. We absorb other cultures and languages and produce something unique to ourselves.

That's the beauty of the American culture. We absorb other cultures and languages and produce something unique to ourselves.

ALL cultures absorb and change. No such thing as a pure culture, and THAT is the beauty of it, it's always changing, and that dynamic evolution keeps us awesome and human.

That's the beauty of the American culture. We absorb other cultures and languages and produce something unique to ourselves.

:nice:

To deny this is to deny creation.

In a couple hundred years, we'll all be speaking Spanglish anyway. That doesn't bother me one bit. Spanish is a beautiful language, and I love tacos.

You have to be kidding me, Spanish is a merde language. It is the worst sounding of all the romance languages by far.

romance is good

The Amish spice up American culture.

To summarize this waste of bandwidth:

1. Give up, eventually we'll all speak Spanish anyway.
2. The U.S. was founded by 3rd world invaders.
3. Diversity is beautiful.
4. Pappy needs her meds.
5. Senseless argument about dialect.
6. Tacos taste good.

The Amish spice up American culture.

True.

Few people recognize how sensual these folks really are.

First they make the wooden bedroom furniture. Then they use it. :|

To summarize this waste of bandwidth:

1. Give up, eventually we'll all speak Spanish anyway.
2. The U.S. was founded by 3rd world invaders.
3. Diversity is beautiful.
4. Pappy needs her meds.
5. Senseless argument about dialect.
6. Tacos taste good.

Jenn points to number 5, i think that one was all me.... :D

You have to be kidding me, Spanish is a merde language. It is the worst sounding of all the romance languages by far.

did you just use a spanish word?
oh no you said merde not mierda, wow you are right, one does sound prettier than the other one. :rolleyes: hehe

Well, if it comes down to brass tacks, I'd rather take French over Spanish any day.

True.

Few people recognize how sensual these folks really are.

First they make the wooden bedroom furniture. Then they use it. :|

They can churn butter like the dickens!

Ill take Italian over Latino anyday. Of course, I'm biased! :D

Party like it's 1699?

It would seem that you are being controlled just fine.


Is this an insult ?? :eek7:

Mexicans ARE indians, so i dont understand what you are saying.
You actually lived in mexico? I find it hard beleive that you would ever deign to live in someplace so lowly, and actually see for yourself what life is like there. (shrug-just an impression i get)


Go study your history, then you can come back and apologize . Too many errors for me to even reply .

I heard some Spanish invaders on Lou Dobb's Show tonight spicing things up by attacking the Minuteman and calling Americans names.

To summarize this waste of bandwidth:

1. Give up, eventually we'll all speak Spanish anyway.
2. The U.S. was founded by 3rd world invaders.
3. Diversity is beautiful.
4. Pappy needs her meds.
5. Senseless argument about dialect.
6. Tacos taste good.


I'm about to pour myself some ,'meds ' right now . And I'm "me ' not Pappy . you can call me Who,Granny,or, Me . :nice:

Jenn points to number 5, i think that one was all me.... :D


Heres another insult . :eek7:

I heard some Spanish invaders on Lou Dobb's Show tonight spicing things up by attacking the Minuteman and calling Americans names.


This is nothing compared to what the La Raza and Mencha has planned for our nation .

Party like it's 1699?


Not that far advanced .

Heres another insult . :eek7:- I think she would have used a capital M if she meant you :p

I also think people calling you "Me" would be confusing, though I'm not yet sure if I'm for or against that :D

http://bowland-files.lancs.ac.uk/monkey/ihe/linguistics/corpus4/4gloss.htm

The term "dialect" is more difficult to define, in comparison to "national variety", since dialects cannot be readily distinguished from languages on solely empirical grounds. However, "dialect" is most commonly used to mean sub-national linguistic variation which is geographically motivated. Therefore, Australian English might not be considered to be a dialect of English, while Scottish English can be regarded this way, as Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom. A smaller subset of Scottish English - such as that which is spoken in Glasgow, would almost certainly be termed a dialect.

It seems we are all a bit wrong about this. (Latin American spanish would NOT be a dialect of Iberian spanish, but the spanish of Sevilla would be.)
-I still disagree that latin american spanish is a lot indian, is it anymore indian than say american english?- Yeah, we were all wrong. American english is not a dialect, ebonics is.

As for indian(as in native american) influence of mid american spanish, I know for certain that some words are taken from Nahuatl, e.g. "tequila", "coyote" and "guacamole" (more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl)) Some, but not all, of those words are used in North American english as well, but I really don't know anything about native North Americans.

I'm still curious about one thing ...

Why do people think that American culture NEEDS to be spiced up ? Is 'more' always better ? And what about 'too many cooks spoiling the broth'; that is, too many sources of input ruining the end result ?

I'll have a bowl of jumbolya ,with cup of won ton soup,and one taco . Desert, give me your best french pastry . Then call an ambulance, just in case it's not severe indegestion .

We need to include all these languages . That way when we call welfare office, we can listen to 20 languages instead of just two . Then we can take it out on others in cars and call it road rage . if you really want adrenilin rush, travel alot on interstate. Play dodge the auto parts and recaps flying at you as the trucks pass you or ride your bumper doing 90 mph and your car won't go but 89mph.

Why are people who speak spanish so rude and loud in stores? Its annoying.

Why are people who speak spanish so rude and loud in stores? Its annoying.


Crossing desert inhaling sand has strange effect on vocal cords ? The grit irritates the vocal cords and it makes it sweel and then the ears are full of dirt and sand from long bathless jouney so they can't hear good . The fast talking is nessasary because of all the sylables they use . Otherwise it would take 5 minutes to order tacos and burritos .

- I think she would have used a capital M if she meant you :p
I also think people calling you "Me" would be confusing, though I'm not yet sure if I'm for or against that :D

last i knew 'me' was still the reflexive pronoun one used to refer to her own self, i really didnt know it could be a proper noun until yesterday.
I've only insulted you once, and i felt bad for it afterwards.

last i knew 'me' was still the reflexive pronoun one used to refer to her own self, i really didnt know it could be a proper noun until yesterday.
I've only insulted you once, and i felt bad for it afterwards.



lets see....I Don't know who you insulted, wether it was Me or me or maybe we don't know if it was I Don't Know . i Don't Know could be the one or it could be Me . :confused: .

Why are people who speak spanish so rude and loud in stores? Its annoying.

If you have ever had a cricket in your house at night, that's what I meant. Crickets are small, yet loud and extremely annoying.

Here's your AMERICAN culture:

http://www.greatbasingallery.com/gallery/albums/photos/NA_001.jpg

Everything else was brought in by immigrants.

His Tomahawk (is that a tomahawk on his shield?) was French. Everything that made the amerindian cool was European-derived.

I saw Spanglish a month ago. In it, the main mexcat woman was always crying while living in Mexico. She moved to Texas first but she heard Cali had more Mexicans so she moved there. But, don't these people make her cry? And more of them will make her sadder.

Doesn't she realized (well, the author really) that the people make the country. Why, if Anglos were in charge of Mexico, it would be rocking.

Well, since you seem to enjoy its benefits as much as I do (at least in those cases), lets continue to allow peaceful cultural immigration, and attempt to be more accepting of others. It'll happen eventually, and it will only go more quickly if we're friendly about accepting it. Eventually the Spanish will indeed melt themselves in the pot as the Irish and Chinese did. Just be patient and enjoy the benefits, and be glad that America is living out her duty of providing those who want freedom and a better chance at life with the opportunities to make it happen.

FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. The National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Even studies claiming some modest overall gain for the economy from immigration ($1 to $10 billion a year) have found that it is outweighed by the fiscal cost ($15 to $20 billion a year) to native taxpayers."

According to the DOJ, 1 in 5 male mexcats are in the criminal justice system (non-misdemeanors), opposed to 1 in 17 whites. Although they are not as criminally inclined as the black male (1 in 3).

His Tomahawk (is that a tomahawk on his shield?) was French. Everything that made the amerindian cool was European-derived.

Alright, so there is no authentic American culture. I'm glad you agree with me :nice:

Everything that made the amerindian cool was European-derived.
Opinion.
Why, if Anglos were in charge of Mexico, it would be rocking.
What makes you think anglos aren't in charge of Mexico?

Feenix, although the forces of satan (Al Sharpton, etc.) are trying to remove various monuments around the country, Philadelphia still must have some stuff left proving that America inherited British culture. Certainly despite efforts of satan inspired evildoers like the illegal invaders, the ACLU, etc., the underlying culture remains of British origin.

Opinion.

What makes you think anglos aren't in charge of Mexico?

Politically, there has been only 2 Anglos (Fox - father is Irish, Mother born in Spain and another chap) in charge of Mexico.

Also, your definition of Anglo and mine may be different. Mine is the ethnicity of people from roughly north of France east to Ukraine. Spain, Italy, Portugal and the other Mediterranean states need not apply.

Opinion.

What makes you think anglos aren't in charge of Mexico?

Name three things that made him cool to you.

The horse he rode, the tomahawk he threw, the blanket he wove (from European yarn btw), the rifle he shot, etc. all came from the European. Any thing that he did come up with (the bow), we have already mostly discarded.

What happen was the fertility of the American soil. It was absent of earthworms and the Indians never could have a large agricultural revolution. What little ag they had was fruit trees, corn that could only grow with fish heads in the hole (before you planted the seeds) or chit. The Europeans brought over the earthworms that made America one of the fertiliest places on Earth. The Ice Age killed the previous earthworms in the northern climes of North America, Europe and Northern Asia. Earthworms were brought north from sourthern Europe (Italy during the Rome Era was more fertile than the rest of Europe combined because of earthworms). This is why Northern European peoples were in the caves when Egypt, China and India was civilized.

Amazing thing, the earthworms. :nice:

You also forget that they didnt have the sort of animals on this continent that could be domesticated. (cow? no, horse? no, domesticating deer? to what purpose?) I think maybe alpacas and turkeys are the only new world animals we domesticated/farm.

AND of course, there has to be a need for any sort of change to occur, if they didnt need to farm and domesticate animals the way other parts of the world did, then it wouldnt happen, and it didnt.
-domesticate huge bison and moose? why, when you can find them when you need them, no need to keep them. (it also goes against their belief that things on this earth arent inherently THEIRS to OWN.)

I dont understand your earthworm thing, because southern united states didnt have an ice age induced worm problem, and yet they still didnt find it necessary to have the agricultural/domestication revolution. Didnt southern america have native american cultures that we put in the same category as all other native american cultures?

If they could survive with what they had, and developed in a different way, doesnt make them any less than us, just different. [wow, for a hispanic, i'm sounding like i'm all spaniard right now]

If the choice was cause a necessary change or die out, like it always is for organisms on this earth, then they would've died out (naturally, persecution doesnt count) but they didnt, cuz what they were doing was working.

Janus and Turtle both make good points, but I think the conclusion we can reach is that necessity is the mother of invention (or however that saying goes).

If people obviously see the options are "innovate or die", innovation seems to appear out of nowhere. Maybe that's why new technology gets developed during wartime?

I still like tacos.

I don't know that the hell you guys are talking about, now. I thought this thread was about tacos.

I'm sorry, but as my sig says; there are no pink tacos avaliable at this point. Lesser tacos may be avaliable elsewhere.

You also forget that they didnt have the sort of animals on this continent that could be domesticated. (cow? no, horse? no, domesticating deer? to what purpose?) I think maybe alpacas and turkeys are the only new world animals we domesticated/farm.

The six thousand pound auroch, basically a buffalo, is the ancestor of all cattle on Earth. The Chinese and Chinese have domesticated the bird, the cormorant, to fish. The Indians (India) have domesticated the elephant.

http://images.google.com/images?q=auroch&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

AND of course, there has to be a need for any sort of change to occur, if they didnt need to farm and domesticate animals the way other parts of the world did, then it wouldnt happen, and it didnt.
-domesticate huge bison and moose? why, when you can find them when you need them, no need to keep them. (it also goes against their belief that things on this earth arent inherently THEIRS to OWN.)

You seem to have a romantic idea of the Indians' lifestyle; just look outside the teepee's door and let loose an arrow. :hmm: How do you like your deer turds? With spiders or salamanders?

Mariames
When traveling south, the Mariames followed the western shoreline of Copano Bay. When an offshore breeze was blowing, hunters spread out, drove deer into the bay, and kept them there until they drowned and were beached. (Oooo, how frightening for the deer this must have been. )

The Indians also hunted rats and mice though rabbits are not mentioned. They killed and ate snakes and pulverized the bones for food. They collected land snails and ate them. They combed the prickly pear thickets for various insects, in egg and larva form, for food. Other faunal foods, especially in the Guadalupe River area, included frogs, lizards, salamanders, and spiders. The Mariames occasionally ate earth, wood, and deer droppings. (How wonderful it must have been living off the bounty of Mother Earth. You want any deer **** with that spider. )

Got it from here:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook...w/CC/bmcah.html



I dont understand your earthworm thing, because southern united states didnt have an ice age induced worm problem, and yet they still didnt find it necessary to have the agricultural/domestication revolution. Didnt southern america have native american cultures that we put in the same category as all other native american cultures?

Most of the area the Ice Age didn't get is desert (the swath from southern Texas to southern California; I've seen a map of what geological and planetology scientists thinks is the extent of the ice flows); not very conducive to growing crops as the above link shows. Now Mexico was very fertile long ago; I've read where the population figures was 40 million. A lot of vegetation that modern man consumes comes from Mexico but very few came from North America (except for Mexico).

If they could survive with what they had, and developed in a different way, doesnt make them any less than us, just different. [wow, for a hispanic, i'm sounding like i'm all spaniard right now]

If every person is spending their time hunting for food, nobody is coming up with mathematics, ship building, etc.