Yep. It is now official. Rap is a totally establishment uncool art form.

Target has a tv commercial with "Baby's Got Back" as the theme song.

Stick a fork in it.

Hahahaha :lol:

I can't wait for pop culture to realize this. I would love nothing more than to have less rap in the world.

Yep. It is now official. Rap is a totally establishment uncool art form.

Target has a tv commercial with "Baby's Got Back" as the theme song.

Stick a fork in it.

I'll always love hip hop, but I can't wait for it to go out of fashion so that only the really innovative underground sounds remain.

M.

I like rap if its combined with something like techno or pop etc. Remixes are great imo

I'm with Bo. However, with Dylan songs being used on commercials, does that mean that form of music is in the same place?

Wait, so rap is un-cool now?

YES!

More of a reason for me to blair it in my room :nice:

Sir Mix-a-lot just needs some cash - just like the Rolling Stones! :D

Kill Country Music!

Wait, so rap is un-cool now?


The thing is, rap, or as M. calls it, hip-hop was never cool.

Yep. It is now official. Rap is a totally establishment uncool art form.

Target has a tv commercial with "Baby's Got Back" as the theme song.

Stick a fork in it.
You know, I pretty much had the same thought when I saw that commercial. I asked my girlfriend if she thought Sir Mix-A-Lot thought his song about big asses would ever be used to sell back to school supplies.

One of the few clever things I've ever seen on MTV was a bumper showing the evolution of the use of "bling" from the original rappers in the late 80's to a suburban mom saying it to a grandma. Then they put "Bling - 1987-2004 RIP"

There is still great hip-hop out there, you're just not going to hear it on the radio.

Snouter, cool is not something by which your own provincial views of music, fashion, style, entertainment, and every other social concept is defined. In point of fact, being a guy with long hair and aviators defines you as being uncool by today's standards.
Sadly, though, rap is annoyingly popular. At least the white boys were too scared to play it in the neighborhood. There are some nice things about the ghetto.

Kill Country Music!

*points rocket launcher at country music*

I dare say its not even hiphop at all anymore, that mtv crap.

I dare say its not even hiphop at all anymore, that mtv crap.

I agree Oki.

M.

Ahhh... Hip-Hop is a truly enjoyable field... To equate it to Rap is to be wrong. Rap, just like its counterparts in country, pop, rock, etc, is bassicaly a sold-out variant of a genre watered down for the mass's. Hip-Hop wont die, Hopefully rap goes out of style though. The underground scene is much more creative and enjoyable when its tone isnt shifted towards c-rap.

Originally posted my Snouter
The thing is, rap, or as M. calls it, hip-hop was never cool.
I've been saying that since the start. :barf:

Originally posted byÆSiR
Kill Country Music!
I agree in the fullest, but before we shoot it with a rocket launcher allow me to slap it up a bit. The man on the right is country music. Observe.
:slap:
(good thing this emoticon is on a loop, there's no telling how many times I'll slap it before this thread is deleted. hehehe)

There's some really great country music still being made, you just won't hear it on the radio. (seems to be a trend here - good music isn't on the radio, go figure)

Most pop music is uninventive, and it has shifted towards a more rap based style, there is still a lot of horrible rock/indie based pop out there. Pop music will never die, the trick is to ignore it a much as possible. Apparently Common is supposed to be really great rap, so I don't think the genre is dead.

Grime is another new hip-hop fueled genre. Mainly in England though. Its quite underground, but then you get people like Roll-Deep breaking through, sampling all sorts of cheesy crap. Great fun, but weird.

I would love nothing more than to have less rap in the world.

The days without rap and country music are spoken of in the bible.
It's supposed to happen during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth.
Thats really the only reason im in this bag.

"Bling - 1987-2004 RIP"
I couldn't agree more!


I have to admit that I USED TO like Rap/Hip-hop, but over the last few years it has gotten worse and worse. It got huge, over popular, and everyone sold out. Blame Jay-z, Beyonce, Eminem and all their little followers (like 50-cent). I still like good hip-hop (yes I consider it different than rap) although they mix the 2 together too much. I LOVED TLC.. they were great and if the one didn't die I'm sure they'd still be making good music.

I'm also very very happy to see less "riced out" cars buzzing around with ugly paintjobs and stereos that have 10x the wattage that is physically healthy.

I always thought hip hop was the culture (with the 4 temples of dj'ing, rapping, breakdancing, and graffiti) and rap was the musical arm of that. KRS One and all those old school folks were huge on that difference. The media, by incorrectly categorizing the music of rap as the culture of hip hop, has led the public to believe so many wrong things about hip hop. But man you are RIGHT. It's get itself in bad places sometimes....Though I think having the production of Dr Dre, Pharell, and Timbaland back in the spotlight has been good....And the fact that undergroun guys like Little Brother's 9th Wonder are making tracks for Jay-z is even better. Here's to things getting better and never getting worse!

The thing is, rap, or as M. calls it, hip-hop was never cool.


I like hip hop , but can't see hw it can be compared to rap . I only liked to 2 rap songs to exercise by . MC Hammer..Can't Touch This, and whoever sings...Ice Ice Baby . I liked the beat of these two songs . All other rap is sickening and most of it is filthy cop, white bashing racest , especially for white females .

I like hip hop , but can't see hw it can be compared to rap . I only liked to 2 rap songs to exercise by . MC Hammer..Can't Touch This, and whoever sings...Ice Ice Baby . I liked the beat of these two songs . All other rap is sickening and most of it is filthy cop, white bashing racest , especially for white females .
:eek7:

The fact that you like any rap is a bit of a surprise, but those really are two of the worst rap songs in history.

:eek7:

The fact that you like any rap is a bit of a surprise, but those really are two of the worst rap songs in history.



LOL, Why because I like them ?

No, because they're horrible. :)

No, because they're horrible. :)


You just haven't heard a good cover of either one. I recommend you down load an MP3 of Me First & The Gimme Gimmes doing "Ice Ice Baby". You will become a convert!

I just feel like dancing when I hear certain beats . Of course I'm not that fast anymore,so I kinda do the slow motion version .

You just haven't heard a good cover of either one. I recommend you down load an MP3 of Me First & The Gimme Gimmes doing "Ice Ice Baby". You will become a convert!
As a fan of Me First, I was about 99% sure that whoever did that cover you're speaking of wasn't actually Me First. I have done a search and I have to conclude that I am right. There is a cover of Ice Ice Baby on Limewire that is attributed to Me First, but this is not Me First.

As a fan of Me First, I was about 99% sure that whoever did that cover you're speaking of wasn't actually Me First. I have done a search and I have to conclude that I am right. There is a cover of Ice Ice Baby on Limewire that is attributed to Me First, but this is not Me First.


Then WHO IS IT?

I am completely and utterly crushed and disillusioned.

I've gone and looked over the MF&GG discography and they have indeed never recorded ice ice baby. If you want to email me the version you have, I may be able to tell you who it is....

I've gone and looked over the MF&GG discography and they have indeed never recorded ice ice baby. If you want to email me the version you have, I may be able to tell you who it is....


I'll have to wait until I get home and can send it from my iTumes library.

The reason they never recorded Ice Ice Baby or U Cant Touch This is because:

1. Ice Ice Baby is based on a sample of "Under Pressure" by David Bowie (and Freddie Mercury from Queen).

2. U Cant Touch This is based on a sample of "Superfreak" by Rick James.

The rapping on both of these RAP songs can be considered poor, but the songs upon which they are based are each Classics within the Rock and Funk genres. They may be cheesy, but a lot more talent went into making those songs than goes into a lot of music.

Um, I like Dizzy Rascal.... (http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/63a01.html)

whoever sings...Ice Ice Baby
Ice Ice Baby is sung by Vanilla Ice: the original white rapper-wannabe
Duh!

If the Rap genre isn't dead, i wish somebody would bump it off, and put it out of my misery. :barf:

I dont think rap is dead, at all. If you look at the influence rap music has had on our culture (from fashion to language to advertising), you will notice that rap and hip hop culture in general have had and are having a huge influence.

And the music itself is progressing. I agree a LOT of the rappers themselves aren't the best, but today's production (the beats) are, generally, much more advanced than ever. And thus require much more talent to create.

But let's say rap is dead. What type of music is alive?

Kill Country Music!

word. :|

One of the few clever things I've ever seen on MTV was a bumper showing the evolution of the use of "bling" from the original rappers in the late 80's.

tHE "original rappers" were from the mid/late 70's and hip hop has been dead since the mid 90's ffs

how has rap been dead since the mid 90s? yeah, black sheep, ATCQ, and the native tongues were and always will be the bombest. But some of those dudes are still making songs now. Black sheep is on tour, Q-tip has a new album coming out, and the Pharcyde was on the Gorillaz most recent album. . . .Come on yall, the good stuff's still out there!!!

Sounds like a few people on this thread need to just cool it down a bit. Now who wants an ice-cold glass of

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Hip-hop aint going nowhere.

Sounds like a few people on this thread need to just cool it down a bit. Now who wants an ice-cold glass of

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Hip-hop aint going nowhere.

If by "not going nowhere" you mean "not going to rise from the dead and replace pop dance club acts like 50 Cent, DMX and The Game" then yes you are correct.

what's strange is that Dr. Dre was a founding member of 80s rappers NWA. Did NWA suck?

Dr. Dre was also involved in The Chronic, arguably one of the top 10 90s rap albums.

In addition, Dr. Dre was involved in identifying one of the top rap talents of the 90s, if not of all time, in Snoop Doggy Dogg. Oh yeah, and he made nearly all the beats on Doggystyle, arguably one of the top 10 90s rap albums.

So basically Dr. Dre was the man in the 90s.

Anybody know who produced the majority of songs on 50 cent's last two albums? Or The Game's debut album?

Its almost as if the longer something is around, the more repetitive it seems to people who barely liked it to begin with....wow, what an epiphany.

Good hip-hop is still being made, and always will be. Rock has exhausted far more creative potential than hip-hop. Rock is dead as hell.

Good hip-hop is still being made, and always will be. Rock has exhausted far more creative potential than hip-hop. Rock is dead as hell.[/QUOTE]

amen to taht. there are two types of music: good and bad.

The thing is, rap, or as M. calls it, hip-hop was never cool. So true.
And i can agree with the sentiment about killing country. Two types of noise pollution about as pleasant and affecting as a jackhammer.

I dont think rap is dead, at all. If you look at the influence rap music has had on our culture (from fashion to language to advertising), you will notice that rap and hip hop culture in general have had and are having a huge influence. Most definitely. Both huge and horrible! I waited years for fashion to start returning to something that didn't make the wearers look like complete idiots.

And the music itself is progressing. Yes. From terrible to ghastly.

I agree a LOT of the rappers themselves aren't the best,... As human beings or artists.

...but today's production (the beats) are, generally, much more advanced than ever. And thus require much more talent to create. Absolutely!
Pretty soon they may even soar to heights where a gorilla couldn't replicate it.

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Rap (khrap) n. 1. A form of aural and visual pollution created by one or more urban thugs or immitators, dressed as if mentally retarded, affecting repeated gesticulations as if suffering from OCD, yelling extremely bad, very narrowly socially relevant poetry, usually laced with racial epithets, demeaningly misogynistic sexual vulgarity, and threats of violence over the top of pounding, unconventional, virtually random percussion sounds.
Notable for it's often equally obnoxious proponents who foist it on those with no interest whatsoever, or even outright dislike it, by blasting it from also visually and aurally unappealling vehicles outfitted with concert-hall sized stereophonic sound systems intended to be heard at large distances. :P

(rap) v. 2. To strike sharply with the knuckles, as a person exposed to rap(1) might do to another attempting to make her listen to it.

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A good musician won't generally consider anything out of bounds.

<Don't be a hater! pic> Directed at moi?
Everybody's got their likes and... strong dislikes. I like to express mine colorfully. I had fun coming up with that definition, and not far off, i thought. ;)

A good musician won't generally consider anything out of bounds. Generally it's the same with people involved in most creative endeavors.

It's also a view i hold to be bad for most creative endeavors. Things must progress, but new and different for it's own sake can as easily lead to destructive crap as it can advantageous improvement.

For instance, to me some mishapen lump of metal given a grand title by someone "experts" have dubbed "great", sold for half a million $, and slapped on a pedastle in a public square, no matter what great skill, education, or thought was behind it's creation, is still just a blob, and those who buy it, either elitists who do so to be "included" in the elite group, or gullible fools, because they could make something to rival it by modeling their so-called work of art after a glob of playdough a 4 year old had been playing with, and have a noname make it for 20 grand. :rolleyes:

(Pardon the penchant for long sentences.)

A good musician won't generally consider anything out of bounds.


A good muscian wouldn't dream of getting involved in bad music, like rap ! :rolleyes: . Now Hip Hop had it's nice moments and some good songs in the 50s and 60s .

All rap other than maybe two songs total, are nothing but crap ,violence and filth ,imo.

haha....Your rap definition was really funny. Some people would probably get a little offended, but whatever. Crazy how differently people can interpret art!

Maybe my interpretation is just much more broad than most, because I love all kinds of music, from gospel to metal to rap, as long as it's good (like i mentioned before).....

(c)rap

"(c)rap"

wow, that's original!

Anybody know who produced the majority of songs on
50 cent's last two albums? Or The Game's debut album?

It... its wasn't Dr. Dre was it?? :doh:

I bought Public Enemy's greatest hits the other day, and I am liking it a lot. There is an article in it about how they came and saved hip hop when it was dying on its arse, everyone was rapping about money and biatches etc, but they changed that, and that now in 2005 its back to money and biatches, so someone needs to change it. That could happen and revitalise the scene for a while.

Its almost as if the longer something is around, the more repetitive it seems to people who barely liked it to begin with....wow, what an epiphany.

Good hip-hop is still being made, and always will be. Rock has exhausted far more creative potential than hip-hop. Rock is dead as hell.

Thats where post rock comes in. I think. Although I'd agree, there is a lot of crap rock out there. Electronic music is pretty dead too: there has been nothing to compete with the IDM of Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin etc since their heyday of the mid 90s. 65daysofstatic rock though, they are a breath of fresh air for both rock and electronica. They say Warp records is over too. :shrug:

To be honest I think all music seems to be in decline, and has done for ages- perhaps it always has and always will, except for brief moments when something new comes along. Same with most arts I think. I'm sure there is good music being made, its just very hard to find.

A good musician won't generally consider anything out of bounds.

I'd have thought it was the opposite, the best musicians will push the boundaries as far as possible and beyond, and see what happens. Not that there are m/any rap artists who do such a thing.

unconventional, virtually random percussion sounds.

I have to disagree with this part. What is conventional then? And they're really not random, they have some nice rhythms sometimes. The rest of your definition was v. funny though. :)