All this news about the American Hiroshima and dirty bombs in this weeks news, do you think we should retaliate if they use them on America ?

And if nuclear bombs are so devastating, why are japanese still living in Hiroshima Japan ?

What kind od damage would it leave and how long ?

do you think we should retaliate if they use them on America ?


Hell yeah!

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All this news about the American Hiroshima and dirty bombs in this weeks news, do you think we should retaliate if they use them on America ?

And if nuclear bombs are so devastating, why are japanese still living in Hiroshima Japan ?

What kind od damage would it leave and how long ?
Who would we attack? I mean, think about it. I mean, let's say a guy from Iraq nukes the US. Should we retaliate by nuking Iraq, thus killing all those people we apparently liberated? Or what if he's from Saudi Arabia? Do we nuke Saudi Arabia, even if the Saudis claim to not support him? Who would you nuke in return? It's a terrrorist organization that nuked us. There is no physical location to nuke in return. It's not like the Japanese attacking us. That's a country attacking us, with defined borders and people and locations. A terrorist organization nuking us would result in an organization that may have elements in Iraq, Sudan, South Korea, America, France, Spain, UK, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Greece, Russia, and Germany. Would you nuke all of those countries in retaliation? Who would you nuke in return?

Osama is all over the news with his predictions of this . He says,' allah wans the infidels to be tortured, and he thinks nukes will be the best way for the longest lasting and most gross form of torture . If you see muslems leaving town in droves, know your about to get it . Also if the stocks go down .

Hiroshima-sized weapons are far less destructive than the classes of weapons we use today.

Don't use nukes. Use the MOABS that we have. Just as destructive without the fallout.

Drop one on the capitol city of the country the perp is from. They can police their own country or we can. Doesn't matter to me.

let's use the new Neutron bomb!

It won't destroy the city like their bombs will ours. An eye for an eye and all that.

Hiroshima-sized weapons are far less destructive than the classes of weapons we use today.


Are these the kind of bombs they say al quida has ? Are they dirty bombs ?

No, they're multi-megaton hydrogen weapons. Dirty bombs primarily just spread radiation.

There would be a tremendous impulse to retaliate ... but to who and where ?

Terrorism is not nationalistic ... we may not even know who is responsible or where they are ... we don’t even know where OBL is after over 3 years

If you bombed some area where you think the responsible terrorists are there will be massive civilian casualties and we won't even know if we got the bad guys ... there is a good chance however of triggering a much larger conflict

There is no right answer

No, they're multi-megaton hydrogen weapons. Dirty bombs primarily just spread radiation.


Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ? Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ? Could they build one like they say ?

What chance do all you think we have of being attacked again ?

Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ? Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ? Could they build one like they say ?
The Hiroshiman and Nagasaki bombs were fission. Fusion bombs were created about a decade later (maybe less).

Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ? Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ? Could they build one like they say ?

yes

yes but nukes on steroids ... 100+ times more powerful

yes ... if they had enriched uranium or plutonium ... the larger risk is from the many missing russian nukes or from a crude 'dirty' bomb made from conventional explosives laced with radioactive materials

Then why no profileing and closing up borders ? Are we going to be tolerent to the death ? What is going on and where are the citizens of this country ? Where are the generals and colonels ?

Bangor Maine just had some of the scum today pointing at Air Force pilot . They found the laucher, but not the 3 terrorist demons .

Don't use nukes. Use the MOABS that we have. Just as destructive without the fallout.

Drop one on the capitol city of the country the perp is from. They can police their own country or we can. Doesn't matter to me.


Bearing in mind that the terrorists who bombed London came from the UK does that mean we should nuke London in retaliation?

If an American drops a dirty bomb in New York, will you nuke Washington?

What chance do all you think we have of being attacked again ?

A good one, sorry to say.
But I just saw some israeli security services assestment that the word is starting to take the right path about terror control.

Bearing in mind that the terrorists who bombed London came from the UK does that mean we should nuke London in retaliation?

If an American drops a dirty bomb in New York, will you nuke Washington?
Good point. The answer would be no. I suppose we're doing about all we can with the War on Terror.

Good point. The answer would be no. I suppose we're doing about all we can with the War on Terror.


Thanks, I think so in a practical way, of course there are always dream options, but dreams rarely come true.

www.nukalert.com

Lots of free info on this site . Even free directions on how to build shelter . How to stock it and what to stock it with .

Since tolerence has infected the minds of most people, and they open their stupid arms to radical religians ,they may want to read this . It has info of all kinds on nuclear war and fallout. It can be very scairy but nessasary .

There are people here who disire to see the slow death of us . Most officials beleive they have nukes and will use them within next 90 days . Is this true, I don't know, but is it possible we all know the answer to that .

I personally think the USA should set an example to the rest of the world by eliminating most of our nuclear arsenal.
We have conventional weapons now that can do as much damage as required, without leaving radioactive material behind.
Plus, if the USA ever collapses, as the Soviet Union did, imagine what a liabiility the nuclear stockpile could become.

Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ? Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ? Could they build one like they say ?

The Hiroshima bomb was a nuke, but the nukes we have are MUCH more powerful, they use hiroshima type bombs as detonators ;)

As to building one, if they can get hold of the materials, and have a competitent nuclear physicist it wouldn't be too difficult. Its just getting hold of weapons grade nuclear material that is a mite bit tricky.

hugs

lilnymph

Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ?

Yes, but the Hiroshima blast only produced a yield of maybe 13 kilotons which would be plenty enough to cause 100's of billions of dollars of damage in a major U.S. city not to mention an overnight loss of all civil liberties, 10's of thousands of dead people up to one mile from ground zero and over 50% casualties up to 3 miles out post blast.

Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ?

I don't have the time to fully detail the working of it in laymans terms for you but consider the fact that a thermonuclear device, your hydrogen bomb, is detonated by an atomic weapon like the ones used over Japan and that they produce yields in the megatons. The atomic bomb is just an atomic fuse on one of those things.


Could they build one like they say ?

No way. The propensity of buying or smuggling nuclear material for a dirty bomb is real and far more likely.

I can't imagine how man can be so stupid as to create such a bunch of weapons as nukes, germs and poisons, we did just fine killing each other without them !

I did buy some extra groceries ,water and stuff, just in case, but this is only superficial . Yet if this happens all electric power will be lost and stores closed. People panic and get nuts, so weapons needed too.

I can't imagine how man can be so stupid as to create such a bunch of weapons as nukes, germs and poisons, we did just fine killing each other without them !

I did buy some extra groceries ,water and stuff, just in case, but this is only superficial . Yet if this happens all electric power will be lost and stores closed. People panic and get nuts, so weapons needed too.
If they drop a bomb in the US chances are you'll barely have time to kiss your hiney goodbye.

If an American drops a dirty bomb in New York, will you nuke Washington?

If it's between Washington and my personal family....you bet I would.

Then again...I'm from the south and we aren't too fond of yankees anyway. :p

All this news about the American Hiroshima and dirty bombs in this weeks news, do you think we should retaliate if they use them on America ?

And if nuclear bombs are so devastating, why are japanese still living in Hiroshima Japan ?

What kind od damage would it leave and how long ?
Hiroshima Day (August 6th) is only a week away.

People are still living there because of the size of the bomb that was dropped and that it was 60 years back. Far fewer people were killed than would be now, the nukes the USA has are considerably more powerful.

Who do you intend to nuke, P&M? Who do you think is going to nuke you? In other words, who is "they"?

Was the Hiroshima bombs nukes ? Are hydrogen bombs nuclear ? Could they build one like they say ?
Yes, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were nuclear. Nukes. (Nucular as the "great" George Dubya says).

Hydrogen bombs are also nuclear. Could they build one? Who is "they"? If you mean Al Quaeda, they wouldn't have to. There are scores of "nukes" that have "gone missing" out there.

Someone asked - "do you think we will be attacked again"? I'd say, not a chance. Many people think 9/11 wasn't the kind of attack it's said to be anyway!

I personally think the USA should set an example to the rest of the world by eliminating most of our nuclear arsenal.
We have conventional weapons now that can do as much damage as required, without leaving radioactive material behind.
Plus, if the USA ever collapses, as the Soviet Union did, imagine what a liabiility the nuclear stockpile could become.
Exactly, Groff200! :nice:

Many people think 9/11 wasn't the kind of attack it's said to be anyway!

And what kind of attack was it according to those "many people"?

Also a bit of info to the people building bunkers. The most powerful of the modern nukes, owned by countries like US, UK, France and Russia, can take out NORAD. So good look building something that will protect you, If having a mountain on top of you isn't enough ;)

Hugs

lilnymph

Also a bit of info to the people building bunkers. The most powerful of the modern nukes, owned by countries like US, UK, France and Russia, can take out NORAD. So good look building something that will protect you, If having a mountain on top of you isn't enough ;)

Hugs

lilnymph

You don't build them to survive a direct hit, but rather the after effects. If I were 5 miles from ground zero my chances of surviving the heat blast and subsequent radiation is much higher underground.

Also a bit of info to the people building bunkers. The most powerful of the modern nukes, owned by countries like US, UK, France and Russia, can take out NORAD. So good look building something that will protect you, If having a mountain on top of you isn't enough ;)

Hugs

lilnymph

Yes, but the Hiroshima blast only produced a yield of maybe 13 kilotons which would be plenty enough to cause 100's of billions of dollars of damage in a major U.S. city not to mention an overnight loss of all civil liberties, 10's of thousands of dead people up to one mile from ground zero and over 50% casualties up to 3 miles out post blast.



I don't have the time to fully detail the working of it in laymans terms for you but consider the fact that a thermonuclear device, your hydrogen bomb, is detonated by an atomic weapon like the ones used over Japan and that they produce yields in the megatons. The atomic bomb is just an atomic fuse on one of those things.




No way. The propensity of buying or smuggling nuclear material for a dirty bomb is real and far more likely.


Your wrong about not surviving an attack, not that it will be the best thing to do , but everybody won't be killed from this . And I don't have a shelter ,just a room and a prayer. I do have extra groceries,water and first aid kit, but not much . Of course we don't know where it will it and if diect hit, no amount of preparing will help. But we can all blame the tolerent anti-American self hating whites, blacks and indians for this because they are the ones who let it come to this by being dumb sheep . We can just look in the mirror.

Hydrogen bombs are also nuclear. Could they build one? Who is "they"? If you mean Al Quaeda, they wouldn't have to. There are scores of "nukes" that have "gone missing" out there.


That is factually incorrect. There have been numerous close calls with those trying to buy a few kilograms of stolen nuclear material over the years, but there are definitely no missing nukes.

That is factually incorrect. There have been numerous close calls with those trying to buy a few kilograms of stolen nuclear material over the years, but there are definitely no missing nukes.
Are you sure about that? I know Russian nukes are said to be missing, and I've heard whispers about at least six American ones having 'walked'...

Are you sure about that? I know Russian nukes are said to be missing, and I've heard whispers about at least six American ones having 'walked'...

Looks to me like a good reason to be worried about the posibility of nuclear terror attack against the west.

Are you sure about that? I know Russian nukes are said to be missing, and I've heard whispers about at least six American ones having 'walked'...

Positive. There is no way a nuclear weapon has disappeared from either arsenal. I think you are confusing this with stories you've heard about stolen nuclear fuel.

Are you sure about that? I know Russian nukes are said to be missing, and I've heard whispers about at least six American ones having 'walked'...

It is highly unlikely any american nukes are missing

As far as the russians go ... it depends on who you want to believe ...

Russian Officials Deny Claims Of Missing Nuclear Weapons (http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/lebedsept.asp)

Hell yeah!

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Blow em outta the water son !!!!

And what kind of attack was it according to those "many people"?


According to the ignorant, it was an attack planned by jews and anglo-saxons of course ! :confused: .

just because we are the most intelegent and advanced of all races, we are also the most envied and hated . In the past 6000 years, every once in a while, another race will creat a leader with high iq . Then the rest of the race will come along and destroy him ,so they can go backwards into time . This is a historical fact, proven by thousands of years of history . So if you have a problem with it, tell the third worlders to stop it . Of course what ends u destroying the anglos and jews are their intense desire to be immoral and turn their backs on God . As long as they are good, they are great,properous and powerful , but when they go bad they lose empires and nations . Like we are now .


Another official has spoken out about preperation for attack . I say 50,50 chance . So I at least keep extra supplies . my grown kids don't worry about it like most young people who never went through war . They are in their 30s and early 40s .

According to the ignorant, it was an attack planned by jews and anglo-saxons of course ! :confused: .

just because we are the most intelegent and advanced of all races, we are also the most envied and hated . In the past 6000 years, every once in a while, another race will creat a leader with high iq . Then the rest of the race will come along and destroy him ,so they can go backwards into time . This is a historical fact, proven by thousands of years of history . So if you have a problem with it, tell the third worlders to stop it . Of course what ends u destroying the anglos and jews are their intense desire to be immoral and turn their backs on God . As long as they are good, they are great,properous and powerful , but when they go bad they lose empires and nations . Like we are now .
Did you see that on The Space Channel?


Another official has spoken out about preperation for attack . I say 50,50 chance . So I at least keep extra supplies . my grown kids don't worry about it like most young people who never went through war . They are in their 30s and early 40s .
You'll unfortunately need more than bottled water & canned beans to survive a nuclear holocaust. How do you intend to survive the nuclear winter? What about the radiation polluted air? How will you keep warm? How will you protect yourself from people killing you for your supplies & shelter?
You may survive a hard stretch when supplies are rationed, but you gotta go hard-core to survive the big one.

Did you see that on The Space Channel?



You'll unfortunately need more than bottled water & canned beans to survive a nuclear holocaust. How do you intend to survive the nuclear winter? What about the radiation polluted air? How will you keep warm? How will you protect yourself from people killing you for your supplies & shelter?
You may survive a hard stretch when supplies are rationed, but you gotta go hard-core to survive the big one.


I don't think we can survive an all out nuking . But plenty could survve a few dirty bombs and small nukes if they prepare a little . Also we will have help[ maybe ] from our europien allies, hopefully . What if just enough people were attacked to stop all transportation for awhile ? Food and water would be nice. How about lights ,some candles and maybe lamp oil ?

Don't use nukes. Use the MOABS that we have. Just as destructive without the fallout.

Drop one on the capitol city of the country the perp is from. They can police their own country or we can. Doesn't matter to me.

Yee-haw!


Did you see that on The Space Channel?


Hehe...

Folks, why indulge Who's paranoia? Its not good for her.

M.

I don't think we can survive an all out nuking . But plenty could survve a few dirty bombs and small nukes if they prepare a little . Also we will have help[ maybe ] from our europien allies, hopefully . What if just enough people were attacked to stop all transportation for awhile ? Food and water would be nice. How about lights ,some candles and maybe lamp oil ?
The air would be poisoned from the radiation. This could go on for years. You may not survive without a source for pure air. The fallout would block the sun greenhouse-style, but more severely. This could potentially kill off all plant life. The fallout would land on oceans & rivers & pollute the water. With the polluted air its could be possible it you may not be able to breathe outside.
You would need solid lead walls to keep out the radiation, if it hasn't leeched into your water, air or food supply. This is why it is so devestating, so scary.
I just don't think a couple of candles and bottled water would do it. This isn't a hurricane, its globe-encompassing nuclear radiation.
You may want to read up on the after effects of Hiroshima & Nagasaki to get a closer picture. But do remember these were much smaller bombs compared to today's capabilities.

Yee-haw!



Hehe...

Folks, why indulge Who's paranoia? Its not good for her.

M.




MAlcolm, you'd be one the the first to cry and wish you'd been a little more ready . So don't worry about who, but worry about if, when, where .

The air would be poisoned from the radiation. This could go on for years. You may not survive without a source for pure air. The fallout would block the sun greenhouse-style, but more severely. This could potentially kill off all plant life. The fallout would land on oceans & rivers & pollute the water. With the polluted air its could be possible it you may not be able to breathe outside.
You would need solid lead walls to keep out the radiation, if it hasn't leeched into your water, air or food supply. This is why it is so devestating, so scary.
I just don't think a couple of candles and bottled water would do it. This isn't a hurricane, its globe-encompassing nuclear radiation.
You may want to read up on the after effects of Hiroshima & Nagasaki to get a closer picture. But do remember these were much smaller bombs compared to today's capabilities.


Mabe they don't have the big bombs . I sure hope they don't . I read that they will use suitcase nukes and maybe missel fired war heads with some nke matreial on them . but not the big ones .

Osama said, he wants to kill 4 million Americans and at least 2 million of those he wants to be children .

Well, its probably a good idea to research further into what you think we are up against. That way you will know what you need to be prepared. I'm sure there are many websites with information on protecting yourself/surviving.

MAlcolm, you'd be one the the first to cry and wish you'd been a little more ready .


What makes you say that. You don't know me.
I don't live in a country that is likely to be on the hit list, Who.


So don't worry about who, but worry about if, when, where .

How about I just don't worry, and leave that all up to you: I'm sure you worry enough for both of us.

M.

What makes you say that. You don't know me.
I don't live in a country that is likely to be on the hit list, Who.



How about I just don't worry, and leave that all up to you: I'm sure you worry enough for both of us.

M.


Well then ! Give me your address and I can come stay there until things,' blow over ' here . :P While I'm there I can deprogram you .

Well then ! Give me your address and I can come stay there until things,' blow over ' here . :P While I'm there I can deprogram you .

No offense but I'd rather your type of American stayed in America. Please don't take it personally. I left to get away from people like you.

M.

The air would be poisoned from the radiation. This could go on for years. You may not survive without a source for pure air. The fallout would block the sun greenhouse-style, but more severely. This could potentially kill off all plant life. The fallout would land on oceans & rivers & pollute the water. With the polluted air its could be possible it you may not be able to breathe outside.
You would need solid lead walls to keep out the radiation, if it hasn't leeched into your water, air or food supply. This is why it is so devestating, so scary.
I just don't think a couple of candles and bottled water would do it. This isn't a hurricane, its globe-encompassing nuclear radiation.
You may want to read up on the after effects of Hiroshima & Nagasaki to get a closer picture. But do remember these were much smaller bombs compared to today's capabilities.
Myst, have you read John Wyndham's novel The Chrysalids? It's awesome! Pubbed in 1955, it's about a post-nuclear war world, and the massive damage done to the enviroment and to the knowledge of the surviving humans. A marvellous book...
Another brillaint one is Walter M Miller's Canticle for Leibowitz.

No offense but I'd rather your type of American stayed in America. Please don't take it personally. I left to get away from people like you.

M.


Ok just trying to be helpful . You could invite some sick buddies too , but if you don't want my help.... :nice: now that I found out your an ol man or whatever, thought we could sit and shoot the wind over a couple Ensures .

Ok just trying to be helpful . You could invite some sick buddies too , but if you don't want my help.... :nice: now that I found out your an ol man or whatever, thought we could sit and shoot the wind over a couple Ensures .

What is all this stuff about being old all of a sudden?
Hint: people tend not to take kindly to being 'reprogrammed'... that didn't help your already lost cause with me...

M.

Myst, have you read John Wyndham's novel The Chrysalids? It's awesome! Pubbed in 1955, it's about a post-nuclear war world, and the massive damage done to the enviroment and to the knowledge of the surviving humans. A marvellous book...
Another brillaint one is Walter M Miller's Canticle for Leibowitz.
I read The Chrysalids, gosh, that was many years ago. You induced a flashback! I don't think I've read the other one, I'd have to check it out to be sure.

I read The Chrysalids, gosh, that was many years ago. You induced a flashback! I don't think I've read the other one, I'd have to check it out to be sure.
It's just as brilliant as Chrysalids, (which I am within cooee of finishing, wah!) but it's very different. I even started writing my own post-nuclear-world novel, back in 1983, when a nuclear war seemed likely. Then it didn't - now, wonder... But I have always been a pessimist.

The problem with you city ****ers is that you don't know how to live off the land, kill a deer, catch a fish, rebuild an engine, plow a field. Yesssir after the nuclear holocaust you'll be trying to find cell service and a bottle of avian while the cockroaches and us good ole boys survive.

The problem with you city ****ers is that you don't know how to live off the land, kill a deer, catch a fish, rebuild an engine, plow a field. Yesssir after the nuclear holocaust you'll be trying to find cell service and a bottle of avian while the cockroaches and us good ole boys survive.

"bottle of avian" - er, I think you meant 'Evian'!
:)

"bottle of avian" - er, I think you meant 'Evian'!
:)


What have you done to prepare ? Or are you in America ?

What have you done to prepare ? Or are you in America ?
Ni, I thought you knew, I am in NZ, and I don't believe there is any nuclear threat to NZ, unless Don Brash gets in, in the election and sucks up to Dubya...I worry more about volcanoes (we live in a city with seven dormant ones. Right here in our own suburb there's one.

Ni, I thought you knew, I am in NZ, and I don't believe there is any nuclear threat to NZ, unless Don Brash gets in, in the election and sucks up to Dubya...I worry more about volcanoes (we live in a city with seven dormant ones. Right here in our own suburb there's one.


Volcanos ? I'd take my chances with those against nukes, but guess it's still fire and brimstone if you think about it . Still prefer volcanos to nukes . PS,I need a news link source on those volcanos...just kidding :nice:

Volcanos ? I'd take my chances with those against nukes, but guess it's still fire and brimstone if you think about it . Still prefer volcanos to nukes . PS,I need a news link source on those volcanos...just kidding :nice:
My mother always said Auckland (where we are) have seven volcanoes, and then I learned (from an article in New Scientist) that there are actually ten! In Wellington, earthquakes, here, volcanoes, and so we can't win.)

IMO, you have been scared unnecessarily, about the chance of being nuked by Al Quaeda!

My mother always said Auckland (where we are) have seven volcanoes, and then I learned (from an article in New Scientist) that there are actually ten! In Wellington, earthquakes, here, volcanoes, and so we can't win.)

IMO, you have been scared unnecessarily, about the chance of being nuked by Al Quaeda!


This is one time..I hope your right .

This is one time..I hope your right .
Don' t worry, I am ... :)