In case anyone is unaware of the meaning of the term "libertarian" (or liberty, for that matter), here are a few of the stances of the LP (whos candidates I'm fond of voting for). Comments in paren's added for clarity.

Abortion is a woman’s choice and does not concern the state. (Jul 2000)

Repeal all laws against homosexuality. (Jul 2000)

Right to complete freedom of expression includes pornography. (Jul 2000)

Redress the wrongs of the U.S. towards the Indians. (Jul 2000)

Allow drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling, and suicide. (Jul 2000)

Strengthen, not reduce, the rights of the accused. (Jul 2000)

Omnibus Crime Bill, including death penalty, has failed. (Nov 2000)

The war on drugs threatens individual liberties. (Jul 2000)

The parties responsible for pollution should be held liable. (Jul 2000)

Keep families free from government intrusion. (Jul 2000) (regarding 'family values' garbage)

No U.S. intervention in the affairs of other countries. (Jul 2000)

Reduce defense spending by half; just defend the US. (Nov 2000)

Eliminate nuclear weapons & bring all U.S. troops home. (Jul 2000)

Support resistance to the draft. (Aug 1981)

Eliminate all restrictions on immigration. (Jul 2000)

Encourage individual freedom without government interference. (Jul 2000) (regarding 'public morality')

Church and state should be completely separate. (Jul 2000)

Eliminate intervention by US abroad. (Jul 2000)

Three Strikes approach is illusory & dangerous. (Nov 2000)

http://www.issues2000.org/Libertarian_Party.htm

Personally, I like most of their platform, but think they need to chill out on a few things, and accept that drastic changes made too fast are both unlikely and dangerous. If there were such a thing as a moderate libertarian party, I'd probably join it.

Personally, I like most of their platform, but think they need to chill out on a few things, and accept that drastic changes made too fast are both unlikely and dangerous. If there were such a thing as a moderate libertarian party, I'd probably join it.

The thing about the LP is: you may not agree with what they say, but at least they're honest. It's the party of principal. Libertarians say what they mean, nomatter how unpopular it may sound at the time. This will always lead to some views that are considered wild, but you can't compromise your ideals and still call yourself the party of principal.

Allow drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling, and suicide. (Jul 2000)

What kind of drugs? crack, cocaine?

All as in All drugs- back to the war on drugs is failing thread

I'm registered :nice:

What kind of drugs? crack, cocaine?

As I understand it, they mean all drugs.

Also, for those who think they may be libertarians, here's a quiz they have http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Just for kicks, I'm here

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=8

I'm registered :nice:

You mean you're a registered Libertarian?

How many card-carrying Libertarians do we have on this board? I'm one. You're two. I think CYLLON is three...

I'm a converted Republican- came on board a few months ago

Betty?

You mean you're a registered Libertarian?

How many card-carrying Libertarians do we have on this board? I'm one. You're two. I think CYLLON is three...

I used to be registered as a Republican, because I thought that was the pragmatic choice. By that I mean that I thought the party could be improved and made better. I was very wrong. I reregistered as an independent a couple years ago because I didn't want to be affiliated with the freaks who populate and run the party these days.

I decided that there's no good reason to join a party, so I'm staying independent from now on. I'd like to see the LP learn a little patience, though. You can't go directly from semi-authoritarian status quoue to Constitutional libertarian society in one step or it would be pandemonium. Hell, the right-wingers would probably start a civil war over it. Gotta set smaller, short term goals and work towards them.

whoa. Maybe not all drugs....Crack cocaine destroys families, and that ain't good.

Thanks 4 the quiz.

I decided that there's no good reason to join a party, so I'm staying independent from now on. I'd like to see the LP learn a little patience, though. You can't go directly from semi-authoritarian status quoue to Constitutional libertarian society in one step or it would be pandemonium. Hell, the right-wingers would probably start a civil war over it. Gotta set smaller, short term goals and work towards them.

Well, the LP does have smaller, short-term goals. But the ultimate goal remains the same.

Right now, there's a national campaign by the LP to get a Libertarian elected mayor in San Diego.

In case anyone is unaware of the meaning of the term "libertarian" (or liberty, for that matter), here are a few of the stances of the LP (whos candidates I'm fond of voting for). Comments in paren's added for clarity.

Abortion is a woman’s choice and does not concern the state. (Jul 2000)

Repeal all laws against homosexuality. (Jul 2000)

Right to complete freedom of expression includes pornography. (Jul 2000)

Redress the wrongs of the U.S. towards the Indians. (Jul 2000)

Allow drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling, and suicide. (Jul 2000)

Strengthen, not reduce, the rights of the accused. (Jul 2000)

Omnibus Crime Bill, including death penalty, has failed. (Nov 2000)

The war on drugs threatens individual liberties. (Jul 2000)

The parties responsible for pollution should be held liable. (Jul 2000)

Keep families free from government intrusion. (Jul 2000) (regarding 'family values' garbage)

No U.S. intervention in the affairs of other countries. (Jul 2000)

Reduce defense spending by half; just defend the US. (Nov 2000)

Eliminate nuclear weapons & bring all U.S. troops home. (Jul 2000)

Support resistance to the draft. (Aug 1981)

Eliminate all restrictions on immigration. (Jul 2000)

Encourage individual freedom without government interference. (Jul 2000) (regarding 'public morality')

Church and state should be completely separate. (Jul 2000)

Eliminate intervention by US abroad. (Jul 2000)

Three Strikes approach is illusory & dangerous. (Nov 2000)

http://www.issues2000.org/Libertarian_Party.htm

Personally, I like most of their platform, but think they need to chill out on a few things, and accept that drastic changes made too fast are both unlikely and dangerous. If there were such a thing as a moderate libertarian party, I'd probably join it.



Thank for the ' warning '! This isn't liberty, it's plain and simple filth and crimminal, imo.

I can't stomach hillery, but I'd vote for that piglet'imo' ,before I would Libertarian .

whoa. Maybe not all drugs....Crack cocaine destroys families, and that ain't good.


This party is out to destroy family, morals any way it can ,imo .

I think it is just a femminist, commy, immoral bunch of nuts sladering the word ,'liberty'.

I think it is just a femminist, commy, immoral bunch of nuts sladering the word ,'liberty'. (emphasis added)

LOL.

I disagree with the Libertarian Party on a lot of economic matters, but how exactly are the "slandering (I assume) the word 'liberty'"? (Which doesn't make sense, but we'll say for the sake of argument that it does). If absolute liberty is as Webster says it is...

1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice

...then how does the LP "slander" liberty? It seems that a government that limits the power of the individual to "do as one pleases" is the one degrading absolute liberty, which is fine (as Libertarians would agree) if it can offer a logical reason why it is doing so--for instance, "No, you can't drive drunk because then you're threatening others' safety."

What is "liberty" to all those politicians who want to use the government to dictate every minute detail of a person's private behavior, from smoking to their sex lives? Sounds like they're the ones "slandering liberty."

Webster wrote a phrase about what kind of America he beleived in . Something to do with ' absolutes',principles, so don't ruin his name too for your agenda .

Webster wrote a phrase about what kind of America he beleived in . Something to do with ' absolutes',principles, so don't ruin his name too for your agenda .

What the hell are you talking about?

This party is out to destroy family, morals any way it can ,imo .



It sounds like that to me too.... :eek3: ..

Some people believe in absolute freedom with out restrictions...The problem is our species is not advanced enough to live with out rules and resrictions.......It would be chaos....

What the hell are you talking about?


I have it written down somewhere, I'll write it out if I find it .

Ive taken this before ... first time i think ive posted it here

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=5

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=3&e=7

Here's mine.... :D

I think most people on this board are left of center...Which is why I'm not on here very much....It's not like I don't value different opinions but I'm more like one of those American loving......God fearing.....Country hicks...

Here's me. I think I might be left wing.

I have it written down somewhere, I'll write it out if I find it .

Why didn't you just use English the first time?

Here's me. I think I might be left wing.

:lol:

perfect score too

I like this test cuz its short and sweet ... they do tweek the questions sometimes though

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Why didn't you just use English the first time?


what do you mean the first time ? :confused:

This party is out to destroy family, morals any way it can ,imo .

I think it is just a femminist, commy, immoral bunch of nuts sladering the word ,'liberty'.

Hahaha. A: It's beyond hilarious that you'd think the Libertarians are "commies". They believe in a completely free market capitalism.

As far as family and morality, those are personal, and they don't think the government should be a Nanny State telling you how to live your life and raise your children and everything else.

Hahaha. A: It's beyond hilarious that you'd think the Libertarians are "commies". They believe in a completely free market capitalism.

As far as family and morality, those are personal, and they don't think the government should be a Nanny State telling you how to live your life and raise your children and everything else.



Wrong ! Any society who exspects to remain free and solveriegn has to have certain moral guidelines . The laws of nature have to have limits to protect man from his selfish instints or he will destroy himself . We had moral absolutes and principles to live by and we became great . We are now in a decline because of immorality and loss of laws and values . Our children are dying from lack of knowledge and their parents are too 'tolerant 'to give a danm . We are not animals, we need laws to govern us .

Who's moral guidlines should we use? Yours? Mine?

Having liberty means that everyone must be provided the freedom to decide their own morals.

Pappy wants a theocracy?

Pappy ... what did you score on the political quiz ?

Here's me. I think I might be left wing.
- Yet an economic centrist.

Heres me :nice:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=5&e=7

How about redressing the wrongs that Indians did when they tried to wipe out the early European settlers?

How about redressing the wrongs the Indians did when they tried to wipe out the Europeans who lived in Virginia?

How about redressing the wrongs the Indians did when they sided with France when France tried to take over America in the mid 1600's and early 1700's?

That quiz has does not have enough questions I got

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=4

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%.

There is a better test here though:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Myrddin1221/chart.gif

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

I am fairly liberal ;).

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/cross.gif

There were a couple of questions I didn't understand, but I got the vast majority of them.

Meh. Libertarian party is lot like Western "individualism", a lot of ado about something that only dubiously exists.

Meh. Libertarian party is lot like Western "individualism", a lot of ado about something that only dubiously exists.

Some of us are individuals, and couldn't be anything else even if we tried.

Unsurprisingly to everyone, I'm sure, I was:

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

But I'm not certain how to print out one of the cute compass graphics everyone seems to be displaying.

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

That graphic doesn't come up, for some reason, just my score.

I thought you were talking about the 1st test ... the second one is more trouble ... you'll have to print-scrn ...paste into a photo editer ... crop ... save ... then post though a host site *phew*

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.08

Same score as before. Weird.

Edit: That's because I incorrectly copied.
My Social side hasn't changed, but my Economic Left/Right is now a a solid -10.0

What's the URL for the first one? I have a rep for left wing zealotry to sustain.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

This one might be surprising in at least part to Boedicca.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=4

That quiz has does not have enough questions I got

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=4

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%.

There is a better test here though:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Myrddin1221/chart.gif

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

I am fairly liberal ;).


On the first one I got exactly the same score as you, on the political compss I'm just a tiny bit deeper into that bottom left corner.

Of the principles list in the opening post or this thread, the only thing I disagree with is abortion. As far as economics, I lean more towards socialism than libertarianism though.

Interesting.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=8&e=9

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=8&e=8

I suspect this quiz is somewhat loaded. I mean, it's off a libertarian website and all, right? Heh.

Let's look at the ones that may have slipped under the radar:

"There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults."

That includes prostitution.

"Replace government welfare with private charity"

They don't mention monetary parity, leaving one assuming.

"Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs"

This means ALL drugs, not just pot or whatever other more tame, less dangerous ones.

The corporate welfare one is also loaded, though too complicated to go into for something so pointless.

I like a lot of stuff the LP stands for. But they are still pretty conservative about a lot of other things. For instance, they are really strongly against Federal Income Taxes. They also oppose National Health Care among other things.

I suspect this quiz is somewhat loaded. I mean, it's off a libertarian website and all, right? Heh.

Let's look at the ones that may have slipped under the radar:

"There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults."

That includes prostitution.

"Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs"

This means ALL drugs, not just pot or whatever other more tame, less dangerous ones.
:nice:

Cool... as I said the LP does have some sensable platforms.

Sex, drugs and rock 'n roll! :D

"There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults."

That includes prostitution.



Free market.

Hah! My Personal Issues Score was 100% and my Economic Issues Score was 0%. I was in the far corner of Liberal.

One other thing about the LP is that they're consistent in their tax views too.

Most people demand lower/fewer taxes, yet simultaneously demand MORE services from their government. It doesn't work that way, folks. If you want a government service, you have to be willing to pay for it. At least the LPs are for lowering taxes AND asking for less from the government.

I suspect this quiz is somewhat loaded. I mean, it's off a libertarian website and all, right? Heh.

Let's look at the ones that may have slipped under the radar:

"There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults."

That includes prostitution.
- They actually directly state that prostitution should be legalized:

Allow drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling, and suicide.

Interesting.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=8&e=9
- You're more libertarian than I am, BC??? :eek7:

- You're more libertarian than I am, BC??? :eek7:

Why is that at all surprising? You're the one that's always defending the government!

And you're the one that wants to eliminate personal freedoms in the name of ideology!

- They actually directly state that prostitution should be legalized:Damn skippy. Victimless crime should always be legal.

And you're the one that wants to eliminate personal freedoms in the name of ideology!

Lie. Although you probably consider killing a baby a 'freedom.'

Lie. Although you probably consider killing a baby a 'freedom.'

Or maybe he dosen't consider abortion "baby killing". :rolleyes:

Or maybe he dosen't consider abortion "baby killing". :rolleyes:

We all know he doesn't, Spaz. No one who supports abortion likes to call it killing. The word "choice" sounds so much better.

But let's not turn yet another thread into an abortion debate.

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95

I used to be far to the right but these recent years have changed my views substancially.

I have always like the libertarian party, atleast you know what they stand for unlike the two major parties. I voted for the libertarian candidate for president last election.

Once again people,
DEBATE THE POSTS. NOT. THE. POSTERS.

If I have to say it again, it will be accompanied by warnings.

Me.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=9

EDIT:
On the second test I got:
Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21

I seemed to me that it was written by a leftist by the way it was worded.

The political description that
fits you best is...

LIBERTARIAN

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and
economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one
that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.
Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose
government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate
diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=7&e=10
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=7&e=4

My results on the other test are posted in the "I think it's about time" thread in politics.

My main issue with the libertarians is the fact that they want to eliminate social security in any form. Charity is too unpredictable IMO and will tend to be less when it's needed the most :hmm: But if I were an American I'd vote either for them or the greens. ...Probably the greens.

No surprises here....

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=10


Here's my compass score:

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

So I'm still a conservative libertarian. I haven't changed much since the last time I took it. But some of those questions are poorly worded.

The compass:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.36

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Very much different than where I would have expected, though still close to the middle...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=6&e=10

I just took the political compass again and found myself further into the lower left corner than ever before:

Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

What kind of drugs? crack, cocaine?

Indeed.

A lot of people use cocaine without ever causing anyone but themselves problems. The majority of the problems users cause other people is from crime committed to get the coke, and that's because of the extremely high prices. The high prices are a reflection of the risk of selling a highly illegal substance. If cocaine weren't illegal, the prices would drop significantly, and you'd see much less crime from it. There are a lot of wealthy coke users, but they don't go around robbing liquer stores to get coke money.