How does it feel that there will probably be a massive backlash when one of your fundy brothers once again blow themselves up on his way to see his 72 virgins, and a party like the BNP will have no problem being swept to power?

:hi:

What the hell are you on about?

Muslims make things go boom boom = mainstream backlash

ATTN Muslims
Stop blowing **** up.
Thanks! :nice:

They can continue blowing themselves up. Just do it in their own country :)

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. And extremism has its roots in warfare long before this current wave of terrorism.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Shall we judge all of humanity based on the acts of the extreme ends of their social beliefs?

If you want to vent your anger, direct it at the extremes, not the moderates.

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. And extremism has its roots in warfare long before this current wave of terrorism.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Shall we judge all of humanity based on the acts of the extreme ends of their social beliefs?

If you want to vent your anger, direct it at the extremes, not the moderates.I'll direct it at liberals next

Part of the backlash will be a result of the poltically correct governments not racially profiling Muslims. The subversives at the ACLU in New York actually advocate no measures to protect the NYC subways because it may lead to racial profiling. So despite their hypocrisy they realize that since 99.99% of terrorism is committed by Muslims, and common sense dictates that Muslims be profiled.

Someone should sue the ACLU for promoting policy that infringes on the civil rights of law abiding American citizens in their efforts to treat everyone as if they were Muslims.

Part of the backlash will be a result of the poltically correct governments not racially profiling Muslims. The subversives at the ACLU in New York actually advocate no measures to protect the NYC subways because it may lead to racial profiling. So despite their hypocrisy they realize that since 99.99% of terrorism is committed by Muslims, and common sense dictates that Muslims be profiled.

Someone should sue the ACLU for promoting policy that infringes on the civil rights of law abiding American citizens in their efforts to treat everyone as if they were Muslims.




Are you up near Canadian border? Iwas thinking of heading that way . Hows the weather up there in summer?

Did you read about new threats from AlQuida captured elite last week . I guess he sang after awhile .

I hope Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda and the other hollyhood libs are happy when their buddies take over. No more walking around running that femmist trap, because it will get them stoned at the least . No more going outside without tent with hood and then don't even think of looking a man in the eyes, instant death penalty . And their queer friends better find a deep dark closet to hide in ..fast. The most hated of all in islam are the ones pushing for the agenda .

Are you up near Canadian border? Iwas thinking of heading that way . Hows the weather up there in summer?

No, but in the summer, even northern New England does get hot during the day. It gets cooler at night than New York metro area though.

The most hated of all in islam are the ones pushing for the agenda .

That is why liberalism is a mental disorder similar to the self-mutiliation that seems to be common among the kids nowadays.

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. And extremism has its roots in warfare long before this current wave of terrorism.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Shall we judge all of humanity based on the acts of the extreme ends of their social beliefs?

If you want to vent your anger, direct it at the extremes, not the moderates.

:nice:

Part of the backlash will be a result of the poltically correct governments not racially profiling Muslims. The subversives at the ACLU in New York actually advocate no measures to protect the NYC subways because it may lead to racial profiling. So despite their hypocrisy they realize that since 99.99% of terrorism is committed by Muslims, and common sense dictates that Muslims be profiled.

Someone should sue the ACLU for promoting policy that infringes on the civil rights of law abiding American citizens in their efforts to treat everyone as if they were Muslims.

Ill admit that its pretty sad that we have to go to such extremes to keep ourselves safe. I do feel that the NYPD going through peoples bags is intrusive but at the same time I feel better knowing that people are looking out for our safety and I'm in no mood to get blown to pieces by some crazed scumbag.

The ACLU can go **** themselves. Im sure those lawyers dont have to ride the subway to work everyday like us peons.

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. And extremism has its roots in warfare long before this current wave of terrorism. :nice:
Pakistans President has asked for his people to denounce the terrorists.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Shall we judge all of humanity based on the acts of the extreme ends of their social beliefs?

If you want to vent your anger, direct it at the extremes, not the moderates.
well done for that! :nice:

No, but in the summer, even northern New England does get hot during the day. It gets cooler at night than New York metro area though.



That is why liberalism is a mental disorder similar to the self-mutiliation that seems to be common among the kids nowadays.

Snouter, you never cease to offend me. Here's a link to an article that actually explores the idea of conservitsm as pathology. I'd be interested to hear your take on it after you read the article. I'm going to start a new thread though since this is getting off topic.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118237

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith.

All I can say is that you know little about the Muslim faith if you can say this. All non-believers are infidels, and all infidels must die. If there are are Muslims who don't believe this, they are reformists, not the mainstream.

:nice:
Pakistans President has asked for his people to denounce the terrorists.

Gosh, I bet it was as sincerely meant as Arafat's several thousand denunciations.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Yes. The difference now is Islamic Revivalists are doing that idiot crap now, not in the 17th century. I certainly don't suffer from the delusion that 'christian' crackpots would love to go back to doing exactly that if given half a chance. Loonies are loonies.

When Quakers and 7th Day Adventists start funding terror cells with billions of dollars, hijacking airliners, sending suicide bombers into subways, then yes, it wouild be smart to crack down on them.

America doesn't have to worry about it as much as Europe does, because the Muslim immigrants here are better integrated into society than they are in Europe. The American muslims are enjoying the classic American immigration success story, getting jobs and opening businesses that pay enough money for them to live the American dream. In Europe, they're not doing as well. They live in ghettos, and the young muslim men are looking for an ideology of rebellion. That's why European muslims are more likely to embrace fundamentalist than their American counterparts.

Oh and Oberon I know you're going to say that muslim immigrants are "stealing American jobs" and that we should all descriminate against them, and anyone who doesn't must hate America. Well before you say that, shut up because I don't care what you think. You're wrong and that's that.

:nice:http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/gtfo2.gif

How does it feel that there will probably be a massive backlash when one of your fundy brothers once again blow themselves up on his way to see his 72 virgins, and a party like the BNP will have no problem being swept to power?

:hi:

If such backlash happens, it feels like a clear victory for said terrorists, and defeat for the UK

If such backlash happens, it feels like a clear victory for said terrorists, and defeat for the UKActually it would be a victory for the BNP, and we might get London back :shrug:


http://www.bnp.org.uk/bnptv/nginterview.wmv

Actually it would be a victory for the BNP, and we might get London back :shrug:


http://www.bnp.org.uk/bnptv/nginterview.wmv

that's the same thing .
Two face of the same coins, both pursuing the same goals, for different ideological reasons ...

Oh and Oberon I know you're going to say that muslim immigrants are "stealing American jobs" and that we should all descriminate against them, and anyone who doesn't must hate America. Well before you say that, shut up because I don't care what you think. You're wrong and that's that.

It's easy to understand why you think what you do. You're a moron. It's not a problem for me.

It's easy to understand why you think what you do. You're a moron. It's not a problem for me.

hey, you're the one that resorted to name-calling.

that's the same thing .
Two face of the same coins, both pursuing the same goals, for different ideological reasons ...One seeks to keep Britain British, and the other wants to turn it into an Islamic state. How in the world is that the same thing?

One seeks to keep Britain British, and the other wants to turn it into an Islamic state. How in the world is that the same thing?

Because neither side is ever going to win. Both sides are trying to create conflict. Once it escalates, the conflict will never end until the two sides learn to live together.

Because neither side is ever going to win. Both sides are trying to create conflict. Once it escalates, the conflict will never end until the two sides learn to live together.
thanks for putting it in more articulate terms that I could have :)

Because neither side is ever going to win. Both sides are trying to create conflict. Once it escalates, the conflict will never end until the two sides learn to live together.Live together in state sponsored multi-culturalism. Happy ever after...

All I can say is that you know little about the Muslim faith if you can say this. All non-believers are infidels, and all infidels must die. If there are are Muslims who don't believe this, they are reformists, not the mainstream.

Actually he knows more about Islam then you do, because he was right on what he said and you BS.

Actually it would be a victory for the BNP, and we might get London back

Thumper do you hate blacks in America?, the BNP is a racist party, you hate Muslims the join a Anti Muslims party not a party that wants blacks killed and out of GB.

How does it feel that there will probably be a massive backlash when one of your fundy brothers once again blow themselves up on his way to see his 72 virgins, and a party like the BNP will have no problem being swept to power?

:hi:

The problem with your theory is that the BNP will never be 'swept into power'. They are and will be regarded (appropriately) as being cut from exactly the same cloth as the violent Muslim extremists.

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The problem with your theory is that the BNP will never be 'swept into power'. They are and will be regarded (appropriately) as being cut from exactly the same cloth as the violent Muslim extremists.When was the last time the BNP blew someone up again?

[QUOTE=thumper]How does it feel that there will probably be a massive backlash when one of your fundy brothers once again blow themselves up on his way to see his 72 virgins, and a party like the BNP will have no problem being swept to power?

What the hell is your problem dud(ette)?!

TROLL ALERT!!! :trolls:

When was the last time the BNP blew someone up again?

Does Combat 18 ring a bell?

Oh, by the way, I read last week even the loyalists are dumping their connections with the BNP/Combat 18. I'll see if I can find the link again.

Does Combat 18 ring a bell?

Oh, by the way, I read last week even the loyalists are dumping their connections with the BNP/Combat 18. I'll see if I can find the link again.A newslink that proves your point would be nice :)

http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=652003

"The racists have caused a lot of harm to the loyalist cause. The negative publicity they receive doesn't help the UDA's commitment to eradicating criminality within its ranks."

A senior Ulster Political Research Group source said the UDA was set to end all contact with right wing groups, adding: "The leadership realised the negative role these groups play in Ulster and is committed to ending all contact with them.

BNP is not mentioned in that article.

ATTN Predjudice,
Heres a great idea--lets blame a whole culture of people for the mistakes of others....we can be just like Saddam Hussien and O'Sama Bin Ladden! :nice:

The connection to BNP has been established over multiple threads on DA. The BNP would be one of the "neo-nazi" groups this title "UDA to sever links with neo-Nazi groups" refers to.

Last summer when the Protestant parts of Belfast caused the city to be labelled "Racist Capitol of the World", it was because of activities including greatly increased racist attacks related to the relationship between the BNP and the loyalists. Sinn Fein led many anti-racist protests, btw.

Don't worry about it though.. it looks like your guyz still have an alignment with Adair, for whatever that's worth. LOLOL

The connection to BNP has been established over multiple threads on DA. The BNP would be one of the "neo-nazi" groups this title "UDA to sever links with neo-Nazi groups" refers to.

Last summer when the Protestant parts of Belfast caused the city to be labelled "Racist Capitol of the World", it was because of activities including greatly increased racist attacks related to the relationship between the BNP and the loyalists. Sinn Fein led many anti-racist protests, btw.

Don't worry about it though.. it looks like your guyz still have an alignment with Adair, for whatever that's worth. LOLOLYou know what's a racist place right now? South Africa.

Type into google "Boer Genocide" and see what comes up :)

http://www.stopboergenocide.com/index2.html

These buzz words like nazism and racism are only heresy words for those against state-sanctioned Islamicization of the UK.

Do you know who John Tyndall is? He founded the BNP. Here's a picture of him:

http://www.geocities.com/justanaveragejane/tyndall.txt

The one on the left.

From this article:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htm

Formed in 1982 by John Tyndall, one of Britain’s foremost post-war nazis, the BNP spent much of the 1980s in the shadow of the larger National Front. The NF was to split quite dramatically, and, torn by internal conflict, left a space on the far right for the BNP to fill.

In 1985, one of its main activists, Tony Lecomber, was sent to prison for trying to blow up the offices of a rival organisation. He was also caught with hand-grenades. Despite his attempted terrorism, he remains number two in today’s BNP.

During the early 1990s much of its activities were focused on East London, where, in 1993, it secured a council by-election victory in the Tower Hamlets ward of Millwall. The price to pay was a massive rise in racial attacks. In the three months after the election, racial incidents rose by 300%.

At about the same time the BNP spawned the violent Combat 18 as its security force. . C18 later emerged as a nazi terror group, responsible for a letter bomb campaign and a series of murders. C18 thugs, made up of football hooligans and nazi skinheads, protected BNP meetings and minded BNP leaders during party marches

...

meh. I like how they reject turning the UK into a polygot refugee camp :)

I don't think there is anything wrong with setting priorities regarding scarce resources and using those resources primarily for people in your own country (regardless of race and religion) and it certainly makes sense to be cautious in terms of national security in these times.

But that is not what the BNP is interested in.

I don't think there is anything wrong with setting priorities regarding scarce resources and using those resources primarily for people in your own country (regardless of race and religion) and it certainly makes sense to be cautious in terms of national security in these times.

But that is not what the BNP is interested in.I thought they were for the welfare of white people?

If by "welfare of white people" you mean forced repatriation of non-white British nationals, desiring of fascism as a form of government, and promotion of violence against all non-whites, then I suppose you could say that.

If by "welfare of white people" you mean forced repatriation of non-white British nationals, desiring of fascism as a form of government, and promotion of violence against all non-whites, then I suppose you could say that.I heard it was now voluntary :hmm:

And when have they ever propagated violence against non-whites? If anything, I see the ethnic community having animosity towards whites. Bradford and Brixton are uninhabitable.

http://www.answers.com/topic/british-national-party

...The BNP's anti-racist credentials were publicly questioned on July 15 2004, when a BBC documentary sought to expose what it claimed to be 'racist elements' in the party. Documentary-maker Jason Gwynne went undercover and joined the BNP for six months. His secret filming recorded party leader Nick Griffin calling Islam a "wicked, vicious faith"; party member Steve Barkham confessing to assaulting an Asian man in the 2001 Bradford Riots; and party member Stewart Williams stating that he wanted to "blow up" Bradford's mosques with a rocket launcher and council candidate Dave Midgley confessing to pushing dog faeces through the letterbox of an Asian takeaway. In his speech, Griffin stated that "For saying that, I tell you, I will get seven years if I said that outside", apparently referring to the maximum sentence for the criminal offence of incitement to racial hatred. In the aftermath, the party said that Barkham and Midgley (but not Williams) had been expelled...

^ I believe there was a race riot going on at the time? http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/kekekegay.gif

http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=652003

"The racists have caused a lot of harm to the loyalist cause. The negative publicity they receive doesn't help the UDA's commitment to eradicating criminality within its ranks."

A senior Ulster Political Research Group source said the UDA was set to end all contact with right wing groups, adding: "The leadership realised the negative role these groups play in Ulster and is committed to ending all contact with them.



I didn't see any news of beheadings or bombing from this group . All I have to say is to bad they didn't get more power before their nation was infiltrated with the scums that bombing the men,woman and children in their cities . Any black, white or bronze muslem can turn radical with the right iman leading them ,imo and this is backed up with nations all over the world where they invade .

Too bad the sheep in England don't stand up for their people before it's too late .

ATTN Predjudice,
Heres a great idea--lets blame a whole culture of people for the mistakes of others....we can be just like Saddam Hussien and O'Sama Bin Ladden! :nice:


What hypocrits liberals are . On one hand they are for womans rights and queers and killing babies . On the other they defend the 'exstreme ' opposite of this ! :confused: . Muslems condenm all of this .

If anyone is like Hussain, it's terrorist sympathisers . How many muslems do you standing up for 'their' nation, England ?

I heard it was now voluntary :hmm:

And when have they ever propagated violence against non-whites? If anything, I see the ethnic community having animosity towards whites. Bradford and Brixton are uninhabitable.


The whole world is against whites, even traitorous other whites . If the blacks continue to turn on their countrymen and join racest groups, then they will get what they deserve after their enemies are finished with them . There won't be anymore whites to save them or abolish their slavery next time .

What we did in ww11 when we were at war is what we need to do now, before the danm nukes come out !

What hypocrits liberals are . On one hand they are for womans rights and queers and killing babies . On the other they defend the 'exstreme ' opposite of this ! :confused: . Muslems condenm all of this .

If anyone is like Hussain, it's terrorist sympathisers . How many muslems do you standing up for 'their' nation, England ?The only thing liberals want to do is destabilize society.

The whole world is against whites
Just like the whole world is against muslims and blacks?
If the blacks continue to turn on their countrymen and join racest groups
You can't even spell "racist" :p
then they will get what they deserve after their enemies are finished with them . There won't be anymore whites to save them or abolish their slavery next time .
Nor will there be any whites to make them slaves in the first place.

What we did in ww11 when we were at war is what we need to do now
Which is what? Kill people?

On the other they defend the 'exstreme '
Its spelled "Extreme."
opposite of this ! :confused: . Muslems condenm all of this .
Spelled "Muslims". And are you saying every man,women and child of this paticular culture are instantly bad people? Real mature.

If anyone is like Hussain, it's terrorist sympathisers . How many muslems do you standing up for 'their' nation, England ?
If anyone is like Hussien, its people that hate an entire culture, judging on a few of them.

The only thing liberals want to do is destabilize society.


There is a book that describes them perfectly ...Liberalism is a Mental Dis-Order, by,'Micheal Savage . Nomatter how you feel about this man or is rude demur, he tells the truth in this book .

You have to be insane to want the destruction of your own culture and values if they have given you protection, security and chance to prosper . To be the only nation or tribe on earth who condenm and insult your military when it's at war and stand behind your enemies . Defending your soldiers and protesting your government is one thing, but to actually hate your protectors and call them killers is evil . They will destroy this great country . Their mentally sick idea of multiculturalism, and diversty is insane . They hate everything this nation was founded on and everything it stands for .

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So answer the question, do you hate blacks in America?.

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. .yeah, extremists. That's all. Nothing to do with the actual teachings of the religion.

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."
9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."
61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "

Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. And extremism has its roots in warfare long before this current wave of terrorism.

Shall we judge all Christians by those who burned the witches and hunted for werewolves during the 17th Century? Or how about the ones who bomb abortion clinics? Shall we judge all Catholics by the Spanish Inquisitors or the child abusing priests?

Shall we judge all of humanity based on the acts of the extreme ends of their social beliefs?

If you want to vent your anger, direct it at the extremes, not the moderates.

Certainly I agree with this. As a modern, moderate werewolf, I'm pleased to say that we are no longer indescriminately hunted and shot with silver bullets thanks to a more tolerant society that recognizes that profiling people with excessive hair growth, fangs, long nails, etc., is not necessarily a "profile" for a werewolf.

Carnivorously,
Samson

Actually he knows more about Islam then you do, because he was right on what he said and you BS.


Ah, I see. And *you're* going to give us an accurate picture of the religion, right?
I suggest that everyone take a close look at the post above with the direct quotes and decide for themselves. Also, check Lewis, probably the greatest (impartial) scholar of the Muslim religion today for his views.
Muslims trying to say that it's a religion of peace are lying. Period.

Nothing to do with the actual teachings of the religion.

You had to change and mix parts of The Holy Quran to prove your point.



2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.


2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.



You see when you have the whole verses it makes sense.


2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

You took it out of context.


2:217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.



I can go on, when you have the whole verse and not the changed or mixed up verses to prove your point, none of them are bad.

So answer the question, do you hate blacks in America?.What does hate have to do with wanting your own country? :confused:

Right here in America there was news about a christian family who were found dead [butchered] in their home after condenming islam . They had be-freinded some local muslems who had pretended to convert to chrisianity. But because it would be 'in-tolerent and profiling ' they never questioned the muslem freinds. And of course the liberal newsnever let it get out after they found out it was muslem suspects . This was several months ago . Already it seems to have started here yet you won't hear about it unless it's in your town . These muslem 'friends' were known to be involved with this web site .

Maybe this is just coincidence.

What is really interesting to me is how/why the entire conflict between Muslims and Jews (as well as christians) originated.

I was going to post a thread on it, but I was advised by someone that it might be misunderstood and not be a good idea.

You had to change and mix parts of The Holy Quran to prove your point.











You see when you have the whole verses it makes sense.



You took it out of context.




I can go on, when you have the whole verse and not the changed or mixed up verses to prove your point, none of them are bad.



I hope you don't think you made a good argument here . :confused: . The verse says, not to fight in mosque, nothing about everywhere else.

The qurans own words speak against your claims . Also mohammad started out eaceful ,until he got famous, then he got more violent with every year . He was aslo 'VERY' rich and lived in luxuary . Do you know this ?

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Jesus christ....wtf is this? Can someone remind me again why thumper wasn't banned long ago?

Better yet, I just reminded myself why I haven't been on the board for a week, and I've already had my fill again.

See you in another couple weeks DA. :rolleyes:

Something I would like to point out is that Eric Rudolph, a practiced CHRISTIAN, bombed an abortion clinic, killing innoccent people.
So, shall we assume that all Christians are like that? Should we think all Christians like to bomb people? Bottom line is, it has nothing to do with religion or culture. We should be against these individual PEOPLE, not entire religions and cultures.

Jesus christ....wtf is this? Can someone remind me again why thumper wasn't banned long ago?

Better yet, I just reminded myself why I haven't been on the board for a week, and I've already had my fill again.

See you in another couple weeks DA. :rolleyes:


Good riddence ! :nice:

Now now, no need to be rude, Pappy&Me.

Something I would like to point out is that Eric Rudolph, a practiced CHRISTIAN, bombed an abortion clinic, killing innoccent people.
So, shall we assume that all Christians are like that? Should we think all Christians like to bomb people? Bottom line is, it has nothing to do with religion or culture. We should be against these individual PEOPLE, not entire religions and cultures.

I agree with your bottom line, but Eric Rudolph was a member of a white supremacist hate group that called itself 'Christian Indentity' It is not a Christian group, it is a white supremacy/hate group. It doesn't mean he was a Christian. Like I said on another thread on this topic, hate/racism are completely antithetical to Christianity, so if he really was a member of a hate/race group, than he was not practicing Christianity.

I agree with your bottom line, but Eric Rudolph was a member of a white supremacist hate group that called itself 'Christian Indentity' It is not a Christian group, it is a white supremacy/hate group. It doesn't mean he was a Christian. Like I said on another thread on this topic, hate/racism are completely antithetical to Christianity, so if he really was a member of a hate/race group, than he was not practicing Christianity.

Exactly my point. So, if we shouldn't hold it against all Christians for Eric Rudolph's actions, we shouldn't hold it against all Muslims for the actions of terrorists :nice:


And I'm glad we agree. :D

For future reference, Pakis don't want to be call Pakis. Call them "British" instead, because it makes them feel good to be included in something civilized. :)

For future reference, Pakis don't want to be call Pakis. Call them "British" instead, because it makes them feel good to be included in something civilized. :)

For future reference, its not a good idea to be racist. Its rude and childish.

Right here in America there was news about a christian family who were found dead [butchered] in their home after condenming islam . They had be-freinded some local muslems who had pretended to convert to chrisianity. But because it would be 'in-tolerent and profiling ' they never questioned the muslem freinds. And of course the liberal newsnever let it get out after they found out it was muslem suspects . This was several months ago . Already it seems to have started here yet you won't hear about it unless it's in your town . These muslem 'friends' were known to be involved with this web site .

Maybe this is just coincidence.

Can you give a link to this news article?.

What is really interesting to me is how/why the entire conflict between Muslims and Jews (as well as christians) originated.

The Muslims treated the Jews and Christians well, untill about the 1890s, the Christians have always hated the Jews because they say that they killed Jesus PBUH.



I hope you don't think you made a good argument here . . The verse says, not to fight in mosque, nothing about everywhere else.

The qurans own words speak against your claims . Also mohammad started out eaceful ,until he got famous, then he got more violent with every year . He was aslo 'VERY' rich and lived in luxuary . Do you know this ?

He did exactly what i said, he changed and mix the verses to prove his point, he could not find a single verses were it does say kill innocent people.

Can you prove he got rich?, no, were as i can prove he was not a wealthy Prophet SAW.

Exactly my point. So, if we shouldn't hold it against all Christians for Eric Rudolph's actions, we shouldn't hold it against all Muslims for the actions of terrorists :nice:


And I'm glad we agree. :D

There was a case here in Israel, when two young muslims murdered a taxi driver and explained this that they decided to be more religious.
As much as it is true that all muslims should not be blamed for this, part of muslims for sure are teaching their religion to their young people in a way that makes them killers in the name of religion. And that is something that should not be ignored.

What is really interesting to me is how/why the entire conflict between Muslims and Jews (as well as christians) originated.

I was going to post a thread on it, but I was advised by someone that it might be misunderstood and not be a good idea.

It could be an interested subject, when I do think that that the conflict between cristians and jews has more deep roots.

It could be an interested subject, when I do think that that the conflict between cristians and jews has more deep roots.

Most christians think the jews are Gods chosen people who are blinded to the truth, but forgiven . That is , all the christian churches i ever went to . Alot of catholics think differently ,I hear, like the anti-semic,imo, Mel Gibson . I think Mels just another cult member ,who needs to take the beam out of his eye, before the splinter out of everyone elses .

I've never had a problem with Jewish people :shrug:

Jesus christ....wtf is this? Can someone remind me again why thumper wasn't banned long ago?

Better yet, I just reminded myself why I haven't been on the board for a week, and I've already had my fill again.

See you in another couple weeks DA. :rolleyes:

Agreed ... This thread is pretty pathetic ... :nonono:

What is really interesting to me is how/why the entire conflict between Muslims and Jews (as well as christians) originated.

I was going to post a thread on it, but I was advised by someone that it might be misunderstood and not be a good idea.

You should ... I was considering one similar along the "Sons of Abraham" line ... but others here , like yourself , are much more knowledgeable about this than I

Something I would like to point out is that Eric Rudolph, a practiced CHRISTIAN, bombed an abortion clinic, killing innoccent people.
So, shall we assume that all Christians are like that? Should we think all Christians like to bomb people? Bottom line is, it has nothing to do with religion or culture. We should be against these individual PEOPLE, not entire religions and cultures.
Big deal. Abortion supporters are murderers anyway. Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night, but abortion is murder. I see no problem with a murderer murdering murderers.

Secondly, that is one example. There have been several threads started here about Islamic terrorists and their recent activities in the past few days. You'll need quite a few more recent stories to contrast and compare.

Furthermore, there is no current Christian equivalent to a Jihad happening anywhere in the world. Not that I'm aware of, anyway. If so, post something about it.

Muslims are savages and, for the most part, need to be exterminated to come remotely close to some sort of peace with them. They should be barred from even visiting any western nation, let alone being allowed to immigrate to them.
Now now, no need to be rude, Pappy&Me.
I agree. Stop correcting her spelling in a childish attempt at superiority. You've spelled "opinion" wrong several times in the last few days and no one has corrected you. (You spelled it "oppinion.") Pay the same courtesy to the other posters.

Big deal. Abortion supporters are murderers anyway. Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night, but abortion is murder. I see no problem with a murderer murdering murderers.
So you think its alright for people to die because they think differently than you?



Muslims are savages and, for the most part, need to be exterminated to come remotely close to some sort of peace with them. They should be barred from even visiting any western nation, let alone being allowed to immigrate to them.
This is going to sound like I'm trying to be mean, but I'm honestly a very stupid kid and really am wondering....isin't that what Hitler's opinion was, only Jews instead of Muslims?

But what I'm wondering is how YOU can sleep at night, knowing that there are thousands of Muslim men, women and children out there, all of which you think should die.

It could be an interested subject, when I do think that that the conflict between cristians and jews has more deep roots.

Thanks coral, and Java... just in case there was any confusion, I wasn't saying a conflict between jews and christians. I meant between Muslims and Jews/Christians.


The Muslims treated the Jews and Christians well, untill about the 1890s, the Christians have always hated the Jews because they say that they killed Jesus PBUH.

That is not at all what I was going to post about... And Christians do not hate Jews. Jesus was a Jew.... most practicing Christians feel a kinship with Jews, because of what the Bible says about Israel, and because our Old Testament is the Jewish Bible.

So you think its alright for people to die because they think differently than you?
When the difference in thought includes kill all the infidels (which is the entire west), yes. Damned right I do.

This is going to sound like I'm trying to be mean, but I'm honestly a very stupid kid and really am wondering....isin't that what Hitler's opinion was, only Jews instead of Muslims?
I think Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews. I support ejecting and barring them from the west, with killing as a last resort.

But what I'm wondering is how YOU can sleep at night, knowing that there are thousands of Muslim men, women and children out there, all of which you think should die.
I sleep just fine.

It's a good think Hitler and political correctness were not around before the 1630's, otherwise Connecticut farmers would still be terrorized by the Pequots. :p

There are probably tiny groups or sects of moderate Muslims, but not many, who could qualify as political refugees, but the bulk of them are not moderates, nor di dthey come here for 'freedom'. They are just here to steal jobs from Americans and keep wages for real citizens at half of what they would be if wages had kept up with inflation since the early 1970's. This goes for 99% of the other 'immigrants' here, so, no, we don't need them, and they should be sent home with all the others. All they do is contribute to higher prices, more fuel consumption, increased sprawl, deplete the fresh water supply, and cause grossly inflated housing prices and trade deficits from importing crap.

The U.S. desperately needs a 20% drop in population now, with a further 20%-30% drop for the next 50 years. We were on track for this in the 1960's, but criminals needing cheap easily cheated labor started getting the 'government' to look the other way on their organized crime activities in the late 1970's and every administration since then has tried to outdo each other in bringing in illegals.

When the difference in thought includes kill all the infidels (which is the entire west), yes. Damned right I do.

I think Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews. I support ejecting and barring them from the west, with killing as a last resort.

- Ponycar's a white nationalist??? :confused: Didn't see that coming.

There are probably tiny groups or sects of moderate Muslims, but not many, who could qualify as political refugees, but the bulk of them are not moderates, nor di dthey come here for 'freedom'. They are just here to steal jobs from Americans and keep wages for real citizens at half of what they would be if wages had kept up with inflation since the early 1970's. This goes for 99% of the other 'immigrants' here, so, no, we don't need them, and they should be sent home with all the others. All they do is contribute to higher prices, more fuel consumption, increased sprawl, deplete the fresh water supply, and cause grossly inflated housing prices and trade deficits from importing crap.

The U.S. desperately needs a 20% drop in population now, with a further 20%-30% drop for the next 50 years. We were on track for this in the 1960's, but criminals needing cheap easily cheated labor started getting the 'government' to look the other way on their organized crime activities in the late 1970's and every administration since then has tried to outdo each other in bringing in illegals.



Right ! And theres more to it than meets the eyeball too.

- Ponycar's a white nationalist??? :confused: Didn't see that coming.
Not really. If you don't agree with me you'll pigeon hole me into that category. If you're a true WN I'd be pretty liberal to you and considered an egalitarian. I prefer isolationist, or even realist though. :)

At this point who can be choosey ? The enemy of my enemy is my friend . Looks like all the rest of Americans has pulled a sleeping beauty,'or ugly' .

When the difference in thought includes kill all the infidels (which is the entire west), yes. Damned right I do.
Unless you've met and spoken to the entire west, this is an empty accusation.


I think Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews. I support ejecting and barring them from the west, with killing as a last resort.
Gotcha :nice:


I sleep just fine.
I'd think that someone thinks abortions is baby killing would be against killing babies out of the womb as well.

[QUOTE=Stage Monster]Extremism is to blame, not the Muslim faith. [QUOTE]

Actually, I'm convinced that Islam is to blame. Without that goddamned religion there would be no Islamic extremism.

I'm also convincd that all Muslims secretly agree with and enjoy all the carnage that is done in their religions name. The proof is in the fact that no one speaks out against the extreemism and there are always 50+ fools sitting around listening to power mad sheiks.

Actually, I'm convinced that Islam is to blame. Without that goddamned religion there would be no Islamic extremism.

I'm also convincd that all Muslims secretly agree with and enjoy all the carnage that is done in their religions name. The proof is in the fact that no one speaks out against the extreemism and there are always 50+ fools sitting around listening to power mad sheiks.

If we really want to go deeper, to what the real problem is... I think (and I know all the nonbelievers here will dismiss this) the real problem is people being misled by forces that are clearly not of God, but of the enemy, if you know what I mean.

As it says in Ephesians 6:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
And notice how some people want to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Hmm, I wonder why it's the Jews and Israel that's the target. (/sarcasm) More people should read the Bible, the answers are all there.

If we really want to go deeper, to what the real problem is... I think (and I know all the nonbelievers here will dismiss this) the real problem is people being misled by forces that are clearly not of God, but of the enemy, if you know what I mean.

As it says in Ephesians 6:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
And notice how some people want to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Hmm, I wonder why it's the Jews and Israel that's the target. (/sarcasm) More people should read the Bible, the answers are all there.

There are also some anwers in the Necronomicon and in Shamanism and alchemy. I think all mass religion needs to open up and learn from each other.

Your talking about things not from God. Not to change this to a religious argument, but the Bible says "I am in all things and through all things", this tells me that God is not some guy on a throne, but he is the Necronomicon, or any other heinously blasphemous thing on this earth.

Your looking for all the answers in a single book, but I can gaurantee there are things you will never find about religion when you exclude "evil" or supposedly evil things.

So are you stong enough to know your enemy?

Actually forget this post and carry on.

Unless you've met and spoken to the entire west, this is an empty accusation.
I think you meant Muslims, not the entire west. Anyway, we'll use your version of the argument. Unless you've met every Muslim you cannot say the majority don't want to kill the western infidels.


I'd think that someone thinks abortions is baby killing would be against killing babies out of the womb as well.
Actually, I'm pro abortion. I simply recognize it for what it is; murder of the innocent. I've stated this many times here.

Don't bother, she's 13.

I think a certain someone here has already demonstrated that age is irrelevant when it comes to post quality (or rather, lack thereof).

I think a certain someone here has already demonstrated that age is irrelevant when it comes to post quality (or rather, lack thereof). :eek3:

That is not at all what I was going to post about... And Christians do not hate Jews. Jesus was a Jew.... most practicing Christians feel a kinship with Jews, because of what the Bible says about Israel, and because our Old Testament is the Jewish Bible.

OK then, sorry.

Don't bother, she's 13.

Exactly. I'm only 13, so I am incapable of thought, emotion, and apparently my own opinions. But you, I assume that you're atleast in your mid-twenties, you seem like you never grew out of the 13-year-old stage, did you? ;)