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Manu
04-24-2002, 11:06 AM
Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has admitted that mistakes were "quite possibly" made in the administrations in which he served.

Kissinger was responding to demands that he answer accusations relating to alleged crimes in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and South America.

His visit to London has caused controversy among civil rights groups and some left-wing MPs and his arrival was greeted by protesters.

But speaking on Wednesday to the UK's Institute of Directors annual conference at the Royal Albert Hall, he said he did not believe that courts were the right place to determine what had happened in the 1960s and 1970s.

He said: "No-one can say that he served in an administration that did not make mistakes.

"The decisions made in high office are usually 51-49 decisions so it is quite possible that mistakes were made.

"The issue is whether 30 years after the event courts are the appropriate means by which determination is made."

Earlier, a Spanish judge asked U.S. authorities for permission to question Kissinger about "Operation Condor," a concerted plot by former military dictatorships in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay to persecute and eliminate their opponents during the 1970s and 1980s.

On Tuesday, Britain refused Judge Baltasar Garzon's request for permission to question Kissinger while he is in London.

Garzon has said he only wants to question Kissinger as a witness, not a suspect, as part of his investigations into "Operation Condor."

On Monday, British human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell failed in his attempt to have Kissinger arrested in Britain for alleged war crimes under the Geneva Conventions Act.

Tatchell alleged that Kissinger's direction of the Vietnam War of the 1960s and 1970s amounted to a breach of British laws requiring people of all nationalities to observe the Geneva Conventions on the conduct of war.

Kissinger said that international jurisdiction would be undermined if decisions were left to individual judges who were being given information by individual groups.


Protesters greet Kissinger's arrival at the Royal Albert Hall
He added that it would be impossible to recall every one of the thousands of cases he dealt with every day when he was in office.

As he spoke, several hundred protesters staged a demonstration outside the venue.

They banged drums and chanted "war criminal" and "this is what democracy looks like."

A huge puppet depicting Kissinger was erected on the pavement outside the venue by several people calling themselves the Get Kissinger Group.

The group plans to hold a mock trial accusing the 78-year-old of being a war criminal because of his involvement in events in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

Kissinger was former U.S. President Richard Nixon's National Security Advisor from 1969-1973 and secretary of state between 1973-1977.
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Criminal
04-24-2002, 07:07 PM
I have often wondered if Kissinger was really a good guy or a bad guy. I do think he was the brains behind Nixon and Ford. I also heard that Kissinger was the real "deep throat" who blew the cover off of the whole Watergate mess. I think that he did have some honor as a person.

RedLine99
04-24-2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Manu
They banged drums and chanted "war criminal" and "this is what democracy looks like."

What does democracy look like??

I believe we're going to see alot more of this type of activism as the revisionists (leftists just doesn't seem like a proper word to me) realize that in order to regroup and have their voice heard (seeing that no one trusts politicians anyways) they will have to hit the streets. It'll be interesting to me to see how the conservatists respond.

Kissinger must be mortified that he is no longer idolized. But one things for sure, hes a smart bastard. Good guy or bad guy? In the world that he manipulated I'd say for the most part he was respected. However in todays time of self serving semantics, he is the closest thing to evil on the planet.

Corporate Avenger
04-24-2002, 10:11 PM
I'd go a little farther than "mistakes", and I don't see how it is a left or right issue? It is about human rights, something we all are born with. What was it? 200,000 people who died because of Kissinger in Indonesia?

RedLine99
04-24-2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
I'd go a little farther than "mistakes", and I don't see how it is a left or right issue? It is about human rights, something we all are born with. What was it? 200,000 people who died because of Kissinger in Indonesia?

How many died in Cambodia? Like you say, it's not an issue of right versus left, rather an issue of human rights. Why you choose the supplier of the weapon and not the one who pulled the trigger is a bit confusing to me. It's not like these people in these countries were mindless children.

Corporate Avenger
04-24-2002, 10:56 PM
No I agree with what you're saying but we're talking about Kissinger here, I despise the military regime in Indonesia more than you can imagine. It's still hell over there, funny how we pick and choose who we are going to "free" from oppression.

RedLine99
04-24-2002, 11:26 PM
That is true, but I don't think it is so much an issue of "pick and choose". There are many examples I'm sure we could debate, but history is a timeline and I'm more interested in what is yet to be written and what choices will be made. It will take more than one perspective to try and make the right decisions. Even Kissinger admits that his was not the only voice. I wouldn't trade places with a politician for anything...I do kinda like their retirement program though.

ResidentRice
04-25-2002, 07:02 AM
I think that judging Kissinger like this is a definitive example of "hindsight is 20/20" I mean, true, looking back on it now, we realize what had happened and look back upon it as a huge, costly mistake. But I think that to judge not his actions as incorrect but his intentions as evil, which I see these people doing, is wrong. He might have made some different choices, but looking at the political climate he was serving under, and other things taken into consideration, I do not think we should morally judge him.

Manu
04-25-2002, 10:35 AM
An interesting thing though...

Given all fo teh itnerviews with people, when Nixon wanted to use the bomb in Vietnam kissenger was one of the people trying to talk him out of it...

Even Kissenger saw the devastating side affects (humanity wise, but political also) of dropping the bomb...

ResidentRice
04-25-2002, 01:10 PM
See, excellent point. Back at that time period of our society, it was almost considered OK to use the bomb. MacArthur wanted to use the bomb on China during the Korean war, and lost his job cuz of it. Hell, Kruchnev and Kennedy were basically fondling the big, red buttons together. I doubt any half-sober president now would even think about it. I mean, even facing a situation like the end of WWII, I can't imagine most sane presidents using the bomb. Bushy-pooh, on the other hand.... maybe.

I don't think historical discussions should devolve into finger-pointing exercises.

Criminal
04-25-2002, 04:08 PM
I dont think that the US involvement in Southeast Asia was without bad things happening but realistically speaking can we call Kissinger a War Criminal. I think he was one of many people who though that they were doing good. Kissinger was waging a war the only way he could. The purpose of the war was to protect the Republic of South Vietnam. I personally think that the war was bloody and unnecessary, but was it really "criminal"?

Corporate Avenger
04-26-2002, 08:03 PM
Kissinger - War Criminal

http://www.bilderberg.org/kissing.htm

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