Did anyone else hear the latest report. A female skelleton found in East Africa was found to have DNA common to all human beings. For this reason she is being called Eve. It goes back to what I said all along. We are all Africans by origin. There is only one race among humans and that is the Human Race. Any thoughts on this?

I haven't read the article, got a link somewhere?

But speaking on the idea that she is 'eve' I hope they make the point that since the fossil record is SO washed thin, that in actuallity there were probably thousands of 'eves' that helped populate the human race...

It has long since been traced that there are current six distinct genetic lines of humans, all of which trace their origins to African origins...

So yes, I am a pretty firm believer in that we all were African at one point.

Another point to be made, that we are all just the HUMAN race is that genetical similarity between people of the same 'color' is actually LESS prevalant than genetic similarity between people with different color and same physical attributes. This is a great case/point for the fact that there are not real biologicial 'distinctions' between the 'various races' of humanity.

This isn't that new. There's long been a belief that African origins have been extremely likely. This was supported not only by the fossil record but also by tracking the mitochodrial evolution of different races in different parts of the world.

It's nice to see that not only was Jesus black but so were Adam and Eve.

Justin

Originally posted by Manu
I haven't read the article, got a link somewhere?


I believe Newsweek also had a story on this.The Real Eve (http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/realeve.html)

I saw a special (I believe on TLC) about Jesus possibly having Egyptian like features. This is supported by stories in the Bible. When the bad guys were going around killing first born sons, Jesus was taken away to Egypt to hide. If he were a little white boy, he would have been found. Seeing as he was not found and killed, this supports beliefs that Jesus was dark in skin color.

u never thought jesus, peace be upon him, was white did u?

Well, I'm one of the few that believed he was of the ethnicity from where he was 'born'. Sorry, but people 2000 years ago in that area were not caucasion.

Were Greeks and Romans Caucasoids? Were Israelites Caucasiods? The middle east was crawling with all three groups and many more light skinned tribes more than 2000 years ago (except for the 10 Israelite tribes that dispersed north and west). That is why Judas had to point Jesus out to the Roman troops with a kiss. They probably would have easily found him if he was a black dude amongst those white Romans that controlled the land at the time. Herod was not looking for Jesus in Egypt, he actually had all boys 2 years and under slaughtered who lived in Jerusalem. I wonder what TLC meant by Egyptian features. The artifacts, statues, and drawings there have characteristic of all so-called races.

Originally posted by Snouter
Were Greeks and Romans Caucasoids? Were Israelites Caucasiods? The middle east was crawling with all three groups and many more light skinned tribes more than 2000 years ago (except for the 10 Israelite tribes that dispersed north and west). That is why Judas had to point Jesus out to the Roman troops with a kiss. They probably would have easily found him if he was a black dude amongst those white Romans that controlled the land at the time. Herod was not looking for Jesus in Egypt, he actually had all boys 2 years and under slaughtered who lived in Jerusalem. I wonder what TLC meant by Egyptian features. The artifacts, statues, and drawings there have characteristic of all so-called races.


Agreed. Look folks, let's be clear about this...Jesus was a Jew. He looked much like many of the Jews you'd find in Israel today, and that's what the special said.

BTW, the show on Jesus was on the Discovery Channel over Easter weekend, and last night on the Discovery Channel there also was a show called the Real Eve that followed the expansion of the human species from its beginnings in Africa to where we are today, and how all of us are connected - genetically.

See links below...

http://dsc.discovery.com/tuneins/jesus.html


http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/realeve.html

Originally posted by eanax



Agreed. Look folks, let's be clear about this...Jesus was a Jew. He looked much like many of the Jews you'd find in Israel today, and that's what the special said.


lol! yea...all those jews from poland,russia and the US

Originally posted by Kareem


lol! yea...all those jews from poland,russia and the US

Yes, well obviously all muslims are grimy butt-wiping-with-the-bare-hand, towel on the head wearing arabic peoples too, huh...NOT. How about being a little more racist, hmmm...?

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn


Yes, well obviously all muslims are grimy butt-wiping-with-the-bare-hand, towel on the head wearing arabic peoples too, huh...NOT. How about being a little more racist, hmmm...?

wasalam alaikum

lol, i didnt mean it to be racist, i just wanted to point out that those jewish ppl in "israel" are from countries were skin is white mostly...so, Jesus, peace and blesses of Allah be upon him, was born in a region were ppl have darker skin...he dont got blond hair and blue eyes...they make it seem like hes from sweden

Jesus was probably dark skinned, but not black. Certainly wasnt white. isnt the skin tone for folks in that region refered to as "olive skinned"?
I dunno. who cares.

I guess this just proves that were all african americans in this country.
now where are my reparations?

Originally posted by Kareem
lol! yea...all those jews from poland,russia and the US

:stupid:

Hmm. You are truly showing your ignorance - and proudly I must say. I'd expect no less from a self-righteous convert.

Gee, you say there were no Jews in the land of Israel/Palestine? What about the city of Jerusalem. It HAS been around for 3,000 years - founded by King David as the capital of the Kingdom of Israel. Around the year 1003-1004 B.C.E. *See Samuel 2:5, 4-12.

And don't forget, either, that Islam and Christianity are BOTH Abrahamic religions. Do your research…

I don't think it's "The Real Eve". It's just the oldest female find to share a few common combinations of mitochondrial DNA with the rest of our present world. I'm sure if they found more specimens from that era, those women would also have similar mitochondrial matches.

This labeling of this particular find being "THE REAL EVE" is grossly misleading.

It probably isn't the 'real eve'.

But on the other hand, people in that area about 2000 years ago did not have features like many caucasions. They had darker skin (think egyptian perma-tan), broad noses, bigger brow bones, etc. I haven't heard any evidence that jesus was black, but it is not probably that he had features as in paintings of him. (Paintings that are based off a piece done several years AFTER his death)

i saw a show on one of them history, discovery, learning channels and they were taking skulls found in artifacts from 2000 years ago in ancient israel and showing the different features each ethnic skull had. They shows a jewish skull from the time, and ones from the other ethnicities that were in the area at the time, they even took a skull model and put clay over the bones to recreate muscles, and then shapes of features and everything. They added wrinkles for sun damage and other such minor things, and they made a face of what a 33 year old Jewish Nazarean would look like in the year 0 B.C.E. The show wasnt about saying Jesus was black or white, but that the clues in the area could show us what native ppl from that place and time could look like.

And Red, the other women in the area would have to have the same mother's, grandmother's, great-grandmother's and etc. (female line) to have the same mitochondrial DNA. [It is possible to see which female actually died out and didnt pass her mitochondrial dna onto us.] It doesnt seem very practical to me that we can trace part of our mitochondrial dna back so many thousands of years ago, but it is true. The real application though is in finding out how old civilations are based on the mutations in the mitochondrial DNA. Like that show on TLC used dna analysis to prove that while we thought one civilization came about at such and such a time, it was actually a lot older than we suspected,and actually older than some other tribe of peoples. --for example.
I also read in an article they they used mitochondrial DNA analysis to show that ppl in latin america have native american mothers and spaniard fathers, only proving the sort of thing we learn in history.

/me rubs goatee- EEEEeeeeennnnnteresting.

Thanks, turtle.:D

i dont think egyptians were totally black 2000 years ago. Egypt had been a famous and strong country that relied on trade and it's ports for many things, those are the kinds of factors that could keep Egyptians from being pure black. And north africans and such arent exactley what we would consider a black african either, not that it's easy to tell under all that sun protecting material, but arent they more what we would call middle eastern looking? And egypt is even closer to the middle east than north africa. None of the egyptians I know look black is what i mean. They either look like me (i'm a medium toned curly haired hispanic) or they look kinda mid eastern, to me.

I've got a nose like a black man.

i actually have a book about this "the afircan origin of civilization"....the eygptians were Black...all the pharoahs......all of em! it also talks about how christianty developed from ealier eygptian religion

i wonder if cleopatra was black, and how come egyptians arent black now? =)

actually she was of macedonian descent i just found out.

when it comes to america today, anyone with darker than white skin is pretty much associated with being black.
but when it comes to jesus, suddenly there are different classes of skin color and what they mean! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by turtle_o
i wonder if cleopatra was black, and how come egyptians arent black now? =)

Anwar Sadat wasn't black!?!? Call CNN!!!

the egyptians i have met and gone to school with, and worked with and etc.... do not look black to me.
-they just look middle eastern, or even hispanic with that curly hair that some of them have.

(and me a hispanic girl has been mistaken for egyptian too.)