Say, I was wondering...
What if some of the Founders were alive to see this great country today......how far we've come, our good points, our bad points...

What do you think they'd say?
Do you think they'd be satisfied overall?

They would probably all die of haert attacks when they see what a sickening authoritarian police state this has become filled with Sheeple..

I'd like to think that both Madison and Jefferson would be happy. In studying their views of the constitution and philosophies of how many should exist, I imagine that we've acheived many of their goals. Keep in mind that things would probably be different if we suppose that they'd survived the entire time but were silently watching us until now vs. Sudden rebirth with no understanding of the events that occurred between the time of their death and the present. By assuming the latter theory, they would not realize the roles that wars, both civil and external, depressions, and rights movements have made in shaping our current positions. It would be harder for them to appreciate the deviations we've been forced to make to be able to attain the high level of living we currently enjoy. I'd like to think they'd be happy to see that we still haven't lost to the damn Tories.

Some of the other founding fathers may have differing opinions, John Adams can of course lick my scrotum.

Justin

well, I think that economically, they would be happy bunnies. However, they would bbe outraged by the anti-terror legislation.

Depends on what founding fathers. I think that Jefferson would really be heartbroken. He was a believer in democracy and was violently opposed to political controls by elites. I think the existance of Federal Income Taxes, Standing Armies, The domination of the national banks by international firms, the illegal and unconstitutional establishment of a Federal Reserve Bank to print and distribute national curancy, it would cause many of our founding fathers to roll in their graves. I think that the prostitution of the US justice system would really anger those people. Even the Federalists like Washington or Adams would be angered.

Originally posted by Criminal
Depends on what founding fathers. I think that Jefferson would really be heartbroken. He was a believer in democracy and was violently opposed to political controls by elites. I think the existance of Federal Income Taxes, Standing Armies, The domination of the national banks by international firms, the illegal and unconstitutional establishment of a Federal Reserve Bank to print and distribute national curancy, it would cause many of our founding fathers to roll in their graves. I think that the prostitution of the US justice system would really anger those people. Even the Federalists like Washington or Adams would be angered.

I agree. They would probably be knocking on people's doors trying to get the militia organized to take back the country from the politicans. George Washington would be particularly outraged with our foreign policy and would probably be the first to die in an effort to get our country back since there is no doubt the CIA would snuff him out if he tried conventional means to return the country to the Constitution.

Or he may say, "Well this is obviously not America, are you guys sure we got our coordinates correct? Beam us the hell out Scottie this place is a mess, Kirk out." :D

the originals would prob hate it, why? because this country was founded on religous beliefs... where are they now? :(

I think Thomas Jefferson would probably be pissed off that we have a way of confirming he slept with his slaves, he'd also be shocked and apalled at A) the size of the fed govt, B) the size of our military and the fact that we have a standing army C) How industrialized we've become and ofcourse, D) the events of the Civil War and the fact that the Federal Govt declared war on the states... and won.

i think someone that said things like this: "Whether the state may command the political service of all its members to an indefinite extent, or if these be among the rights never wholly ceded to the public power, is a question which I do not find expressly decided in England... Nothing could so completely divest us of that liberty [which the bill of rights has made inviolable, and for the preservation of which our government has been charged] as the establishment of the opinion that the state has a perpetual right to the services of all its members. This to men of certain ways of thinking would be to annihilate the blessing of existence and to contradict the Giver of life, who gave it for happiness and not for wretchedness; and certainly, to such it were better that they had never been born." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1782. ME 4:196, Papers 6:185 (more concerning the eloquence of the language than the content),

would be appahled that someone that speaks like this (ona regular basis) is president: "And so, in my State of the—my State of the Union—or state—my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation—I asked Americans to give 4,000 years—4,000 hours over the next—the rest of your life—of service to America. That's what I asked—4,000 hours." —Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

They'd probably be more appalled with someone who:

gave away our national security secrets for campaign cash,
lifted FBI files and used those files against their political enemies,
committed perjery and obstructed justice,
among other things,
And got away with it.

because this country was founded on religous beliefs... where are they now?

you are kidding right? did we forget the seperation of church and state?

i think the found would be pissed, since they were big on the fact that gov should kkep their snoots outta business, and look at the subdies and taxes we dish out.

Also I think they would be appauled by the fact we have INCOME TAX!!!! John Calhoun even stated that when there the population becomes a population of tax payers vs tax consumers we have a problem and it's time for a revolution

I think that they would all be disappointed, and help us to stage a new revolution, to return the government to what the Constitution is all about. I think the tax and military issues wouldn't bother them so much, but I DO think all the foreign aid, U.N. and terrorists attacks would anger them greatly. I think otherwise, that they would be proud of the country as a whole, because of it being the one 'superpower' to have survived everything thrown at it. I also think that they would be apalled to see the breaches of constitutional rights being 'applauded' in places like CA where they decide who and what kind of gun you may own on a day to day basis (since Jefferson stated that ALL people should own EQUIVALENT weapons to the ones carried by the regular military) and judicial follies like palimony, McDonald's coffee case, O.J. Simpson, and criminals suing (and winning) personal injury cases against the people they are robbing. I think they would be awed by our technological prowess, and the 'standard' of living. I think their sensibilities would be offended by the sheer numbers of the federal budget, and deficit. I think they would like SS but dislike the manner in which it is run. I think they would be disgusted by the U.S. Postal service funding of FOREIGN olympic athletes, while at the same time refusing to fund our own. There are many other issues to be addressed, but it'd take months to type them all.

"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian Doctrine." - George Washington
You might be interested to know that this wasn't a statement given by George Washington himself. It comes from the "Treaty of Tripoli"--specifically, the Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," signed on November 4, 1796, during Washington's last term as President. The Treaty reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson
This quote is also misrepresented and should read:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature."
Thomas Jefferson
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short


THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 1968, vol.2, p.420, quote:
"One of the embarrassing problems for the nineteenth-century champions of the Christian faith was the fact that not one of the first six presidents of the United States was a Christian. They were Deists."

In Deism there is no personal God, only an impersonal "force" or "energy" or "nature's God" or "providence". In Deism, the bible is nothing but literature, and bad literature at that. Jefferson and Paine both called it "a dunghill". Others of our founders used the same language. In Deism, Jesus was nothing more than a nomadic teacher.


My research is Internet-based, and I welcome any correction.