Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land.

So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.

So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights.

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"


http://www.mecca.org/~crights/dream.html

:nice:

"Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"


What wasn't this delusional Marxist free to do in my country? He would not have been free in Africa and Middle Eastern countries, for example.

What wasn't this delusional Marxist free to do in my country? He would not have been free in Africa and Middle Eastern countries, for example.
If you are referring to MLK (who was a Christian Minister and not a Marxist. Stop believing the lies that J Edgar Hoover spread about him) he was not free to eat at a white-only resturant or lunch counter. He was not free to ride at the front of a public bus, he could not go to a white movie theater, he could not stay at white motels and hotels, he could not drink at a white drinking fountain, his children could not go to white schools nor could he walk in the company of a white woman.

The world was very much divided in the Jim Crow south and in the north as well. It still remains so. If you don't believe me tell me how many black airline pilots you have seen. How many blacks are in the US Senate, I believe there is one now? Are you going to tell me that blacks are really equal in the US?

If you don't believe me tell me how many black airline pilots you have seen.
This is NOT a valid arguement. How many white rappers have you seen? Perhaps if you showed that an equal number of blacks applied for pilot postions as whites did, and that the whites overwhelmingly outpassed the blacks, you MIGHT have a case. But not yet.

Are you going to tell me that blacks are really equal in the US?

Well then, it's one thing to say "Blacks are not equal to Whites." It's another to say "Here's how to fix it:"

Does mentioning this kinda stuff do any good? Or does it stir up bad feelings from both sides of the issue? It's easy to say "we need to change." It's not easy to actually do it.

The greatest political/social oratory ever.

Thank you for posting it Crim.


I notice Snouter had no response to your excellent awnser [I also think it takes a lot of hubris for someone to say" my country",it's our country dude].

The greatest political/social oratory ever.

You are obviously wrong. But just to clarify where you are coming from, what do you base this opinion on?

I notice Snouter had no response to your excellent awnser [I also think it takes a lot of hubris for someone to say" my country",it's our country dude].

Okay I just noticed criminal's comments and will address them.

If you are referring to MLK (who was a Christian Minister and not a Marxist. Stop believing the lies that J Edgar Hoover spread about him) he was not free to eat at a white-only resturant or lunch counter. He was not free to ride at the front of a public bus, he could not go to a white movie theater, he could not stay at white motels and hotels, he could not drink at a white drinking fountain, his children could not go to white schools nor could he walk in the company of a white woman.

So Micheal King was apparently not free to eating at a lunch counter, sit in a bus, watch a movie, water fountain, hotels? That's what all that rioting and destruction was about? :p

There are many white people who are not free to eat at certain lunch counters in bad neighborhoods, sit in buses travelling in bad neighborhoods, watch a movie in bad neighborhoods, or stay at a hotel in bad neighborhoods, (I don't think there are water fountains around much nowadays except in Central Park maybe and that is know for roving gangs looking to rob, rape and murder from time to time). White men in the company of Black females are frequently assaulted by groups of Blacks.

That is the unfortunate situation in America and around the world. We have to rely on the cops and justice system to keep things somewhat civilized. It would be nice if a leader of some kind would demand a change to this situation, but the slightest commentary is met by the politically correct paranoids with charges of racism.

The world was very much divided in the Jim Crow south and in the north as well. It still remains so. If you don't believe me tell me how many black airline pilots you have seen. How many blacks are in the US Senate, I believe there is one now? Are you going to tell me that blacks are really equal in the US?

Since money talks, businesses naturally do what makes the most money regardless of the race of the people involved in the transactions. Jim Crow laws could not stop the "natural" laws of economic free enterprise. Free enterprise's laws are what businesses in the South conformed to since that made them money. Change was happening naturally.

I would assume there are not many Black pilots becuase they don't have a particular aptitude in that area. There are quite a few Black basketball players and the NBA has even bent the rules over the years to accomodate their style.

"I have a dream," my ass. He had a scheme and Jesse is following up on it.

The world was very much divided in the Jim Crow south and in the north as well. It still remains so. If you don't believe me tell me how many black airline pilots you have seen. How many blacks are in the US Senate, I believe there is one now? Are you going to tell me that blacks are really equal in the US?

You just summed up one of the focal points of the Marxist agenda which still threatens our country to this day. The fullfillment of false equity.

Naturally, things are not equal, so we must treat them unequally ( affirmative action ) to give the false impression that they are in fact, equal.

I enjoy this speech and that alone does not make me anti-white. :|

Why are you such an anti-Black racist Snouter?

Were you raised to be that way?

Why are you such an anti-Black racist Snouter?
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I fail to see how his post is anti-black in any way.

I fail to see how his post is anti-black in any way.

You are one of the few. :(

Real white people love blacks.

Real white people love blacks.

Real people don't give a f*ck about skin color. They neither love nor hate based on the color of skin.

This is something that is beaten into the heads of white people around this country thru 'sensitivity' training or 'cultural awareness' training or sanctions for un-PC thoughts and statements ...

When is someone going to tell the Black community that it is their hatred of whites and blaming of whites that is truly holding them down. They are doing it to themselves; and I refuse to accept blame for their actions.

If you don't mind me saying so you sound a bit hateful tonight NJR.

If you don't mind me saying so you sound a bit hateful tonight NJR.

Hateful ?

No. Try Disgusted. (There is a difference).

Disgusted with the double standard of modern race relations in America.

Hateful ?

No. Try Disgusted. (There is a difference).

Disgusted with the double standard of modern race relations in America.

Agreed. It is disgusting.

I agree that there is a double standard.

So Micheal King was apparently not free to eating at a lunch counter, sit in a bus, watch a movie, water fountain, hotels? That's what all that rioting and destruction was about?

I don't know about your friend "Michael King", but Martin Luther King, as well as every black person in America, had hardly any of the human, constitutional, and civil rights that white people had, at least in many parts of this country.

And Jim Crow, segregation, racism...was MUCH MORE than just not being able to drink, watch a movie, or ride buses...how come you don't mention all of the lynching of people just because they happened to be black (and people who did that were not punished at all in most cases), what about bombing of a church that killed four innocent girls just because they were black? How about the anti-interracial marriage/relationship laws and what was done to the black people who broke these rules? Don't try and play "segregation wasn't a big deal" game, because it is an insult to every human being that went through that. At least 86dude have said that segregation was unconstitutional and that all of the jim crow bs was wrong and should have been removed, even though he hates Dr. King for whatever reasons. What about you? Can you be honest about why you REALLY HATE KING FOR, or else condemn segregation, jim crow and anti-black racism in the same way you condemn anti-white racism?


There are many white people who are not free to eat at certain lunch counters in bad neighborhoods, sit in buses travelling in bad neighborhoods, watch a movie in bad neighborhoods, or stay at a hotel in bad neighborhoods, (I don't think there are water fountains around much nowadays except in Central Park maybe and that is know for roving gangs looking to rob, rape and murder from time to time).

First of all, why would a person do all these things in bad neighborhoods anyways?

Second, there are many white people who live in bad neighborhoods too, yet they do all of the following things, and nobody (unless induvidual criminals) prevent them from doing so.

I have plenty of white friends who lived in poor, mostly black neighbourhoods, and guess what, I haven't heard one story about "black criminals attacking them for nothing", and in fact, they rarely if ever dealt with any kind of racism. Sure there are racists, criminals, a$$holes from every color, and that including black, but can you blame a whole group of people that just share the same skin color with what induvidual bad people do? Or can you blame it on "government laws that supposedly tell black people to discriminate against white people"?

White men in the company of Black females are frequently assaulted by groups of Blacks.

HAHAHAHA. I never heard about anything like that. I'm sure that it may happen sometimes (again, by induvidual racist a$$holes, not the government or state, or a majority of Black people), but I can tell 100 stories that I personaly know, without even going into deep memmories, about black guys who got into sh!t for hooking up with white girls, while I can't think of one case where a white guy who hooked up with a black girl was attacked by black people for that.

In fact, the girl I'm talking to now (and hopefully will date) is half African-American, and I have yet to be attacked by "black criminals" for that. Hell, I never even been phisically attacked by "blacks" in my life, only by white people, and the only time a black guy was involve (and later appologized to me) was when a white guy (with a failed attempt to rob me) used him as a backup. Sure I've dealt with a$$holes of all colors, but I have yet to experience the "significance of black criminals", espeically since most a$$holes I've met in my life happened to be white as snow. Not to say that I have anything against white people, since a whole lot of my friends and best friends are white, but anti-black racist theories sure as hell are false when it comes to my life.

GanjaFreebird, bypassing the swear filter does not do anything to further your argument; rather, it shows how weak your argument really is by outlining your need to use profanity to make a point.

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment. While I think the true catalysts for civil rights were the Malcolm X's, Black Panthers, et al, and King was more of a white media favorite, being more palatable to middle and upper class whites, he was important, and a great speaker as well. That is one of the great speeches of the 20th century, by any standards available.

I know Snouter likes to troll, but I thought he was a little smarter than the idiocy of his post in this thread. Most people realize that just because a group is oppressed, that doesn't mean they are all lovable innocents who should be able to get away with whatever they please, but that point is lost when moronic posts like Snouter's, Nj's, and Capn Whatever's are posted. Ganja's post is entirely appropriate, considering the puerile gibberish he's adressing. He nor anybody else is under any obligation to treat that garbage as legitimate discussion.

I don't know about your friend "Michael King", but Martin Luther King, as well as every black person in America, had hardly any of the human, constitutional, and civil rights that white people had, at least in many parts of this country.

And Jim Crow, segregation, racism...was MUCH MORE than just not being able to drink, watch a movie, or ride buses...how come you don't mention all of the lynching of people just because they happened to be black (and people who did that were not punished at all in most cases), what about bombing of a church that killed four innocent girls just because they were black? How about the anti-interracial marriage/relationship laws and what was done to the black people who broke these rules? Don't try and play "segregation wasn't a big deal" game, because it is an insult to every human being that went through that. At least 86dude have said that segregation was unconstitutional and that all of the jim crow bs was wrong and should have been removed, even though he hates Dr. King for whatever reasons. What about you? Can you be honest about why you REALLY HATE KING FOR, or else condemn segregation, jim crow and anti-black racism in the same way you condemn anti-white racism?



I agree 100%.

The post was about Dr. King's speech in 1963,Snouter [and Cpt Trips] is [are] showing he[they] know nothing about this crucial point of American history [which is what this thread is about].

So they hijack the thread to promote an anti-Black agenda.




I have plenty of white friends who lived in poor, mostly black neighbourhoods, and guess what, I haven't heard one story about "black criminals attacking them for nothing", and in fact, they rarely if ever dealt with any kind of racism.


I used to live in such a neighborhood and the same is true for me too.


Sure there are racists, criminals, a$$holes from every color, and that including black,


Of course .


but can you blame a whole group of people that just share the same skin color with what induvidual bad people do?


Of course not.




HAHAHAHA. I never heard about anything like that. I'm sure that it may happen sometimes (again, by induvidual racist a$$holes, not the government or state, or a majority of Black people), but I can tell 100 stories that I personaly know, without even going into deep memmories, about black guys who got into sh!t for hooking up with white girls, while I can't think of one case where a white guy who hooked up with a black girl was attacked by black people for that.


The same is true for me too.





Sure I've dealt with a$$holes of all colors,


So have I.

but I have yet to experience the "significance of black criminals", espeically since most a$$holes I've met in my life happened to be white as snow. Not to say that I have anything against white people, since a whole lot of my friends and best friends are white, but anti-black racist theories sure as hell are false when it comes to my life.


The same is true for me too.
GanjaFreebird, bypassing the swear filter does not do anything to further your argument;


It's creative writng ,which makes things more entertaining to read.

rather, it shows how weak your argument really is by outlining your need to use profanity to make a point.

:not:
Sounds like Puartanism to me.

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment. While I think the true catalysts for civil rights were the Malcolm X's, Black Panthers, et al, and King was more of a white media favorite, being more palatable to middle and upper class whites, he was important, and a great speaker as well. That is one of the great speeches of the 20th century, by any standards available.


Agreed.

I know Snouter likes to troll,


He was banned for that once.

but I thought he was a little smarter than the idiocy of his post in this thread.


I have to admit ,so did I.



that point is lost when moronic posts like Snouter's, Nj's, and Capn Whatever's are posted.



Agreed.

Ganja's post is entirely appropriate, considering the puerile gibberish he's adressing. He nor anybody else is under any obligation to treat that garbage as legitimate discussion.

Agreed .:nice:

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment... blah blah blah

What exactly are you trying to get at? You're only repeating what occured in the past. Ahem. Let me reiterate. THE PAST. There are no seperate water fountains or restrooms anymore, anyone can go in any store, and no one can start raping and beating people whenever they want without getting in trouble.

I agree 100%.
So they hijack the thread to promote an anti-Black agenda.
Anti-black agenda? Please, tell me how I am promoting an "anti-black agenda."

By the way, I've had my house in Tampa ransacked THREE times in the past 7 years, all by black criminals. I've had my bike stolen in the past year here at college by a black delinquent (which was later recovered by a black officer, fancy that).

JUST SO YOU KNOW.

So when you spout garbage like "segregation and Jim Crow laws are evil" I simply remember all the stuff I've lost to black criminals.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe segregation is wrong. 100% wrong. People of any color should be free to do what anyone else does. However, with equal rights comes equal responsibility. You can't think "hey I'm free! now I'm gonna go rob some people's houses!" I sure as hell don't think it's fair that a law abiding citizen such as myself should have to undergo the stress of having my home violated and my getting-to-class-bike stolen! But do you see people out there making speeches for me? Proclaiming MY right to live in this country without fear of losing my property? Do you see ME out there, whining for change? Of course not, because if I did, I would be called a racist and be told to sit down and shut up. Yet because we had seperate water fountains - "OH NO! CALL OUT DR. KING! BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS! WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT AT CERTAIN RESTUARANTS! (oh wait, your house got robbed by one of these blacks I'm endorsing? well too bad) MARCH TO WASHINGTON! blah blah"

What exactly are you trying to get at? You're only repeating what occured in the past. Ahem. Let me reiterate. THE PAST.


Dude,this part of DA is about history,not the present.



There are no seperate water fountains or restrooms anymore, anyone can go in any store, and no one can start raping and beating people whenever they want without getting in trouble.


Dude,this is about history,that is what this forum is about,that's what Crim's thread is about.

You are hijacking it.



Anti-black agenda? Please, tell me how I am promoting an "anti-black agenda."


I'm not the only one that sees it.

Look at some of the other posts,I also got a PM agreeing with me [and others] on this.


By the way, I've had my house in Tampa ransacked THREE times in the past 7 years, all by black criminals. I've had my bike stolen in the past year here at college by a black delinquent (which was later recovered by a black officer, fancy that).


So when you spout garbage like "segregation and Jim Crow laws are evil" I simply remember all the stuff I've lost to black criminals.


And I'm sorry about that[a white stole my bike but I don't blame all whites for that].

That does not excuse racism.

Let's say 10% of Blacks commit crimes [and I doubt if it's even that high],that means 90% do not.

You have to see people as individuals.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe segregation is wrong. 100% wrong. People of any color should be free to do what anyone else does. However, with equal rights comes equal responsibility. You can't think "hey I'm free! now I'm gonna go rob some people's houses!" I sure as hell don't think it's fair that a law abiding citizen such as myself should have to undergo the stress of having my home violated and my getting-to-class-bike stolen!


And [b]every person I know who happens to be African-Amercian would say the same thing.



But do you see people out there making speeches for me? Proclaiming MY right to live in this country without fear of losing my property?


I know several people [some happen to be African -Amercian] who are advocates for victim's rights .



Do you see ME out there, whining for change? Of course not, because if I did, I would be called a racist and be told to sit down and shut up. Yet because we had seperate water fountains - "OH NO! CALL OUT DR. KING! BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS! WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT AT CERTAIN RESTUARANTS! (oh wait, your house got robbed by one of these blacks I'm endorsing? well too bad) MARCH TO WASHINGTON! blah blah"

I'm sorry you're hurting.

I'm sorry you're hurting.
Exactly my thoughts about people whining about segregation and racism. "I'm sorry you're hurting (but I don't really care to do anything about it)."

You sir, are a hypocrite.

Oberon, are you implying you witnessed White trash raping and beating Blacks or is that idoicy from you merely puerile gibberish functioning as hyperbole? In other words, it sounds like Caca de Toro.

The point I was making is that the reality today and in the past is that in certain areas of the country Whites are in immediate danger of getting attacked and there stuff stolen. I have eyewitness accounts of this going back some 80 years. Sure there were no "Don King" laws that encouraged anti-White behavior, but it is just a fact of life.

As you TT, and GF romanticize about your Marxist heros Micheal King, Malcom X and the Black Panthers, peaceful White people who were just trying to live a quiet life had to plan on moving out of certain suburbs because being close to any city meant that murderous Black Panther inspired rioters were too close.

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment. While I think the true catalysts for civil rights were the Malcolm X's, Black Panthers, et al, and King was more of a white media favorite, being more palatable to middle and upper class whites, he was important, and a great speaker as well. That is one of the great speeches of the 20th century, by any standards available.

I know Snouter likes to troll, but I thought he was a little smarter than the idiocy of his post in this thread. Most people realize that just because a group is oppressed, that doesn't mean they are all lovable innocents who should be able to get away with whatever they please, but that point is lost when moronic posts like Snouter's, Nj's, and Capn Whatever's are posted. Ganja's post is entirely appropriate, considering the puerile gibberish he's adressing. He nor anybody else is under any obligation to treat that garbage as legitimate discussion.

I agree on just about everything. Although I have many problems with Malcolm X and most Black Panthers, I still think that they were a neccessary evil to fight anti-black racism, just like Meir Kahane and anti-semitism/anti-zionism.

GanjaFreebird, bypassing the swear filter does not do anything to further your argument; rather, it shows how weak your argument really is by outlining your need to use profanity to make a point.

Profanity? I don't see any.

It's creative writng ,which makes things more entertaining to read.

Thanks.

The post was about Dr. King's speech in 1963,Snouter [and Cpt Trips] is [are] showing he[they] know nothing about this crucial point of American history [which is what this thread is about].

Oh, they do know about it, don't get them wrong. They just lying by underrating by far the evils of segregation and anti-black racism that used to be in America, while overrating "the sins of black people". They know exactly what's up, they just want America to go back to pre-1964 days in terms of social justice.

What exactly are you trying to get at? You're only repeating what occured in the past. Ahem. Let me reiterate. THE PAST.

To quote Bob Marley, "In this great future you can't forget your past".

There are no seperate water fountains or restrooms anymore, anyone can go in any store, and no one can start raping and beating people whenever they want without getting in trouble.

Your point? Dr. King did a whole lot to make it so, and that's why he's such a great person. I mean, the end of jim crow and segregation and 1964 civil rights act was the right thing after all, correct? Be honest.

By the way, I've had my house in Tampa ransacked THREE times in the past 7 years, all by black criminals.

They were CRIMINALS. It doesn't matter if they were black, white, or purple. And if these criminals had brown-eyes too, would you say "brown-eyed criminals"?

Answer honestly, does the fact that whoever happens to be black matters any more than color of hair or eyes, in your opinion? And if not, why even care what color somebody is at all?


I've had my bike stolen in the past year here at college by a black delinquent (which was later recovered by a black officer, fancy that).

I'm sorry about your personal experiences, but then again, I had many bad experiences with white people...I've been robbed, attacked, backstabbed and much more...many many times by people who happened to be white.

Why shouldn't I be racist against whites? Why wouldn't I support laws that would keep all white people down and take away their rights, just so that I wouldn't have to deal with f#cked up sh!t that is often done to me by people who happen to be white?

And again, does the color of one's skin matter?

So when you spout garbage like "segregation and Jim Crow laws are evil" I simply remember all the stuff I've lost to black criminals.

I've lost stuff to white criminals and a$$holes. Yet, I still don't want anti-white segregation, jim crow, racism or anything. Yes, I hope the bad induviduals get what they should, but why would anybody reasonable put the whole group that just shares the same skin color alltogether and punish them because of that?

Now don't get me wrong, I believe segregation is wrong. 100% wrong. People of any color should be free to do what anyone else does. However, with equal rights comes equal responsibility. You can't think "hey I'm free! now I'm gonna go rob some people's houses!" I sure as hell don't think it's fair that a law abiding citizen such as myself should have to undergo the stress of having my home violated and my getting-to-class-bike stolen!

You're changing your mind every second, so it seems. So if segregation is 100% wrong in your opinion, what's your big problem with Dr. King and the civil rights movement then?

And yes, I don't like criminals of any color, but what does it have to do with a government oppresion of a whole group just because of their skin color?

But do you see people out there making speeches for me? Proclaiming MY right to live in this country without fear of losing my property? Do you see ME out there, whining for change? Of course not, because if I did, I would be called a racist and be told to sit down and shut up. Yet because we had seperate water fountains - "OH NO! CALL OUT DR. KING! BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS! WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT AT CERTAIN RESTUARANTS! (oh wait, your house got robbed by one of these blacks I'm endorsing? well too bad) MARCH TO WASHINGTON! blah blah"

As I said, you changing your view every sentence. I mean, you just said that segregation was 100% wrong...then what's the point of the last few sentences here?

And why would you compare something illegal that a few bad people did to you with OFFICIAL LEGAL government policy of discriminating against people just for their skin color?


And every person I know who happens to be African-Amercian would say the same thing.

Same here.

And I'm sorry about that[a white stole my bike but I don't blame all whites for that].

That does not excuse racism.

Let's say 10% of Blacks commit crimes [and I doubt if it's even that high],that means 90% do not.

You have to see people as individuals.

I agree 100%.


Exactly my thoughts about people whining about segregation and racism. "I'm sorry you're hurting (but I don't really care to do anything about it)."

That's a bunch of horsesh!t. What happened to you was done by a few induvidual criminals that would be put to prison if caught. What was done to African-Americans in the past was LEGAL, OFFICIAL, the govenment made it so, and white people in the south could do ANYTHING to Black people and get (at the very best) little or no punishment.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THAT??

Plus, there is still plenty white-on-black crimes, but it's not considered to be ok anymore, just like the black-on-white crime in your case, and that's the point.

You trying to make it seems that whites suffer now more than blacks used to, and this is BS, and you know it.

You sir, are a hypocrite.

No he's not. He just said true things that you refuse to see because of your own personal hate for blacks.

Oberon, are you implying you witnessed White trash raping and beating Blacks or is that idoicy from you merely puerile gibberish functioning as hyperbole? In other words, it sounds like Caca de Toro.

Snouter, do you deny that (especially) during segregation, there were no cases of white people beating, raping and lynching black people?

By the way, I noticed you still didn't answer my questions. Too bad.

The point I was making is that the reality today and in the past is that in certain areas of the country Whites are in immediate danger of getting attacked and there stuff stolen.

EVERYBODY IS, not just whites. If you really think that all Blacks, Latinos, Jews, Indians are always very safe from attacks and robbery, then you need to check with the doctor really soon.

I have eyewitness accounts of this going back some 80 years. Sure there were no "Don King" laws that encouraged anti-White behavior, but it is just a fact of life.

Sh!t happens to everybody all the time, so what. The point is that anti-white discrimination was never legal, while the same wasn't true to anti-black discrimination, and that's what Dr. King changed, and that's why he's great.

As you TT, and GF romanticize about your Marxist heros Micheal King, Malcom X and the Black Panthers, peaceful White people who were just trying to live a quiet life had to plan on moving out of certain suburbs because being close to any city meant that murderous Black Panther inspired rioters were too close.

I'm not a Black Panthers supporter by any means, but let me ask you a question, do you really think that Black Panthers did all that just for fun, or just because they don't like white people for being white?

Do you really think that if segregation and anti-black discrimination was illegal everywhere (at least after slavery) and people in America would all have equal rights, would people like Black Panthers, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan have much support at all?

If you want to blame their popularity on something, blame segregation and anti-black racism and discrimination. What comes around, goes around. If black people did all that to white people all this time, I'm sure as a white person, you would support some kind of defense for your people, right? Or should Black people just "know their place" and take all of this sh!t without any kind of self-defense?

And since you hate Malcolm X and Panthers, you should especially appriciate a peaceful civil rights leader like Dr. King, because without him, the alternatives would be Nation of Islam and Black Panthers, so please stop with this double standarts.

You sir, are a hypocrite.

How?

Look,I was raised with the same racism,sexism and homophobia that almost everyone else is rasied with.

The difference is I choose to be enlightened and choose to fight it.

Bigotry is something insdie each and every one of us thta come out anytime we feel belittled ,that's why it has to be taboo.

That's why we have to fight it,in the world and within ourselfs.

Oberon, are you implying you witnessed White trash raping and beating Blacks or is that idoicy from you merely puerile gibberish functioning as hyperbole? In other words, it sounds like Caca de Toro.

The point I was making is that the reality today and in the past is that in certain areas of the country Whites are in immediate danger of getting attacked and there stuff stolen. I have eyewitness accounts of this going back some 80 years. Sure there were no "Don King" laws that encouraged anti-White behavior, but it is just a fact of life.

As you TT, and GF romanticize about your Marxist heros Micheal King, Malcom X and the Black Panthers, peaceful White people who were just trying to live a quiet life had to plan on moving out of certain suburbs because being close to any city meant that murderous Black Panther inspired rioters were too close.
Hijacking,baiting,racism and trolling.

You know better.

This is too funny. LOL

"A Black Guy stole my bicycle once!" Waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa

" One time these Black Guys said RUDE THINGS one time !!!!! To ME, a GREAT WHITE TWIT !!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA

HOW DARE THEY !!!!!!!


LOL .... Hahahaha

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment. While I think the true catalysts for civil rights were the Malcolm X's, Black Panthers, et al, and King was more of a white media favorite, being more palatable to middle and upper class whites, he was important, and a great speaker as well. That is one of the great speeches of the 20th century, by any standards available.

I know Snouter likes to troll, but I thought he was a little smarter than the idiocy of his post in this thread. Most people realize that just because a group is oppressed, that doesn't mean they are all lovable innocents who should be able to get away with whatever they please, but that point is lost when moronic posts like Snouter's, Nj's, and Capn Whatever's are posted. Ganja's post is entirely appropriate, considering the puerile gibberish he's adressing. He nor anybody else is under any obligation to treat that garbage as legitimate discussion.

Oberon is right.

Snout, you can't compare all people having various problems living in whatever neighborhood with the lack of equal opportunity, equal justice and the state-sponsored second-class citizenship of blacks that existed under Jim Crow.

You can try, rather, but you would just be wrong.

"A Black Guy stole my bicycle once!" Waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa

" One time these Black Guys said RUDE THINGS one time !!!!! To ME, a GREAT WHITE TWIT !!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah, I simply love it when blackie filth robs others of possessions. And yeah, I guess stealing over $1,000 worth of equipment would be considered a "rude thing." So now I'm a "twit" for getting robbed by nigs. Good one.

Must be nice living in a state that allows you to legally blow the head off an intruder in your own home.

How?
Look,I was raised with the same racism,sexism and homophobia that almost everyone else is rasied with.

The difference is I choose to be enlightened and choose to fight it.

Please, explain how you "fight" racism, sexism, and homophobia. And don't answer "by posting on message boards."

I was around when there were separate water fountains and restrooms, only certain stores blacks could shop at, only certain places they could go, unless they were somebody's maid or gardener, and the freedom white trash had to insult, rape, beat, whatever they wanted to , and the law wouldn't lift a finger to stop it going on right in front of them, and would brutalize any black who dared to defend himself from this treatment. While I think the true catalysts for civil rights were the Malcolm X's, Black Panthers, et al, and King was more of a white media favorite, being more palatable to middle and upper class whites, he was important, and a great speaker as well. That is one of the great speeches of the 20th century, by any standards available.


Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

:nice:

M.

CptTrips claims he's not racist and is against segregation.

Now, is that so?

Yeah, I simply love it when blackie filth robs others of possessions.

From some reason, he is only against "blackie filth that robs", but not "whitey filth that robs" or "brownie filth that robs". And if I'm wrong, why does he even find the need of bringing the criminal's skin color, as opposed to his eyes color or hair color? What does a person's race has ANYTHING to do with him being a criminal?

So now I'm a "twit" for getting robbed by nigs.

And by saying the n-word, you still claim not to be a racist?

I've been robbed by white people quite a few times before. Yet, I don't say "I got robbed by crackers" or even bring up their race at all. Also, half of my family was either killed or had their life destroyed by nazis and commies who also happened to be all white, for no other reason than us being Jewish. I still have no racist feelings against white people, and in fact, many, if not most, of my good friends are white, and I love them all. I don't look at a person by the color of his skin. It has just as much significance to me as the color of his hair. And I really do not understand people who see it otherwise, at all. I really believe that racism is a form of mental/psychological illness that comes either naturaly, or in most cases out of ignorance, evil and jealousy

Yeah, I simply love it when blackie filth robs others of possessions. And yeah, I guess stealing over $1,000 worth of equipment would be considered a "rude thing." So now I'm a "twit" for getting robbed by nigs. Good one.

Must be nice living in a state that allows you to legally blow the head off an intruder in your own home.

Mmm, I don't know. Sounds rather offensive, all this.
Are you looking to piss someone off buddy?

M.

From some reason, he is only against "blackie filth that robs", but not "whitey filth that robs" or "brownie filth that robs".
I've been robbed 4 times. All by blacks. Coincidence? Why would I have anything against "white filth" when the only people I've had problems with are blacks?


And by saying the n-word, you still claim not to be a racist?

So name calling now constitutes racism? You called racists a$$holes," so does that make you a racist? (by the way, that's profanity, something you claim not to use). And when did I say all blacks are the "n-word?" I believe I directly applied that word to the blacks that robbed myself and my family.

Here's an analogy of this so called "racism."

Let's say I see a stray cat. I go outside to pet it only to find it has rabies and attacks me. The next week, the same thing happens with a totally different cat. Don't you think I'd wisen up and start being a lot more wary of cats? So let's say a friend invites me to his house, and wants to show me his pet cat. The last two cats I've seen attacked me, so I don't really want to see it. He then tells me I'm prejucided against cats. Am I? Am I being righteously cautious because I don't want to get attacked again? Or am I overreacting, and I should treat every cat the same way? I think not. Look at these sentences: The last two cats (blacks) I've seen (encountered) attacked (robbed) me... He then tells me I'm prejucided (racist) against cats (blacks).

NOW perhaps do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I've been robbed 4 times. All by blacks. Coincidence? Why would I have anything against "white filth" when the only people I've had problems with are blacks?
I was robbed out of $3000 by a group of white dudes who just so happened to have been wealthy and well connected businessmen. So does that mean I hate white people?

I also had a group of white gangsters who worked for city hall come to my house and harass me to a point that I nearly moved out of my town.

I got beaten up by white kids when I was in high school.

So what does that tell you about white people? :hmm:

I've been robbed 4 times. All by blacks.

Ok, so what. They are criminals, but why does the fact that they just happen to have a black skin color matter?

Maybe all of them had brown eyes, or black hair, and if they do, why don't you say brown-eyed criminals instead? Why would a non-racist even care about what race they are, or what do they even look like?

Why would I have anything against "white filth" when the only people I've had problems with are blacks?

Well, you still have yet to answer my question...why wouldn't I have a problem just with "white filth", since a large majority of the people who I had problems with, were white?

Just because you had a few bad experiences with a few induvidual bad people who happened to be black doesen't excuse the racism you have against a whole group of people, whose only crime in general was being born with that skin color.

And WOOOOOOOOOW, you've been robbed...big f#ckin' deal...everyone has been robbed before, and I doubt that black people have killed and destroyed the lives of half or your family...like nazis and commies (who happen to be white) did to my family. If I followed your logic, I would support a genocide against white people. And yes, I believe that "black criminals" represent the African-American community about as much as nazis, KKK and soviet communists represent White people in general. So, your racism is not justified by any means. Hell, 70-80% of palestinians support terror against Jews, yet I'm still aware that there are many good people among the palestinians, even if they are a minority, and although I'm a proud Zionist, I still wouldn't want anything bad to happen to the good people from the other side (not the terrorists or their supporters), and I hope there's gonna be a real peace one day.

Besides, even assuming for the sake of the arguement that your personal racism against blacks is justified...why do you expect all the rest of us who don't have any problems with blacks in general, to take your side, ignore the scientific and social fact that all people are equal, ignore the fact that African-Americans are as much of Americans as anybody else here and deserve their constitutional rights, forget that skin color don't matter in any kind of social way, forget about the incredible amount of great things done to this country by so many African-Ameircans, and stop supporting social justice and equal civil rights (what Dr. King was fighting for) just because a few idiots who happen to be black robbed you?

I look at induvidual's character and judge him only by that. I can dislike a person who is black a whole lot (example: Louis Farrakhan), or I can admire a person who is black as if he was a God (examples: Dr. King, Jimi Hendrix, Muddy Waters...), just like in personal experiences I've met a few a$$holes who were black, and on the other hand I've met a whole lot of really cool and great peole who were black too. Just like with every other race. Color of one's skin has nothing to do with his/her personality, and anybody who thinks otherwise is mentaly ill (evil or not).

So name calling now constitutes racism?

The n-word is racist on its own, and whoever uses it to actually describe Black people is either a racist or very very ignorant moron who doesn't understand that it is not a good thing to say.

And in your context, it really does sound like racism to me, because you could have used the word "criminals" or whatever to describe these certain people, but you chose to just use their color of skin (something that they can't change) to hold something against them, by using racist words. I'm sorry, call it what you want, but this is racism.

You called racists a$$holes," so does that make you a racist?

YES, I did call all racists a$$holes. I think a racist person AT THE VERY BEST is just a ignorant a$$hole who should know better. That is assuming he's not truely evil or mentaly ill, just an idiot who was probably just raised that way.

And no, unless there is a race of people called "racists", I can't possibly be a racist, by not liking them. And I believe that a racist can actually change his ways (George Wallace as an example), it's something a person choses to be. However, unless you are Michael Jackson, a Black person cannot possibly change that. So your arguement is totaly dumb and has no logic whatsoever.

(by the way, that's profanity, something you claim not to use).

I don't say "bad words" unless I need to. And when I talk about racists, it is only correct to call them "a$$holes", otherwise it would be a denial of the truth, I'm sorry.

And when did I say all blacks are the "n-word?"

It doesn't matter. Even the biggest racists like David Duke claim to have a few "black friends", so therefore they must not think that ALL 100% blacks are n---ers, just 99.99%. Even if you call ONE person a n----er, you got some racism, because otherwise, you wouldn't hold a person's skin color (something he can neither control nor has anythinig to do with the negative things about him) against him. You can call him whatever names, but when you call someone racist names, that's racism and it is unjustified. As much as I can't stand Louis Farrakhan, I still wouldn't call him a n----er, because 1.him being black has absolutely nothing to do with the reason he's a piece of sh!t and 2. it would be an insult to most African-Americans who are decent people and have as much reason to be critisized as white people in general for the crimes of the nazis.

Let's say I see a stray cat. I go outside to pet it only to find it has rabies and attacks me. The next week, the same thing happens with a totally different cat. Don't you think I'd wisen up and start being a lot more wary of cats? So let's say a friend invites me to his house, and wants to show me his pet cat. The last two cats I've seen attacked me, so I don't really want to see it. He then tells me I'm prejucided against cats. Am I? Am I being righteously cautious because I don't want to get attacked again? Or am I overreacting, and I should treat every cat the same way? I think not. Look at these sentences: The last two cats (blacks) I've seen (encountered) attacked (robbed) me... He then tells me I'm prejucided (racist) against cats (blacks).

You have a personal obsession with ALL Blacks, just because 4 of them stole your bike or whatever. What about the rest of Black people who didn't do NOTHING to you? What is excatly their fault here?

NOW perhaps do you understand what I'm trying to say?

No, comparing a group of people to a group of animals is ridiculous the first place, and anybody with half a brain cell knows that.

And you still didn't answer me if I'm justified to be racist against white people and arabs just because of personal experiences. Because according to your logic, I SURE AM.

I was robbed out of $3000 by a group of white dudes who just so happened to have been wealthy and well connected businessmen. So does that mean I hate white people?

I also had a group of white gangsters who worked for city hall come to my house and harass me to a point that I nearly moved out of my town.

I got beaten up by white kids when I was in high school.

So what does that tell you about white people?

LOL, I agree 100%.

I was robbed out of $3000 by a group of white dudes who just so happened to have been wealthy and well connected businessmen. So does that mean I hate white people?
Why would you hate white people? Are you implying I've said I hate black people? I've made no such statements or assumptions.


I also had a group of white gangsters who worked for city hall come to my house and harass me to a point that I nearly moved out of my town.
You mean the IRS? For a tax audit? Come on, if you knew "gansters" that worked for "city hall," chances are you would know their names and could report them if they're doing illegal harassing. In my case, I was robbed without my knowledge.


I got beaten up by white kids when I was in high school.
And?


So what does that tell you about white people?
Not much, considering I don't know any of the situations. If you were throwing rocks at said kids beforehand, I wouldn't be surprised.

Here's the thing. I'm going to be making some generalizations here, so don't be too surprised. From what I've seen where I live, white people generally walk around and dress I guess you could say "normally." The majority of blacks I see walk around with doo rags and baggy clothes generally trying to look "gansta." Now, when I think of "gansta" people (black or white) the term that comes to mind is "dangerous" and/or "criminal." There are few whites who walk around in such a fashion, but those that do, I feel the same thing about them as I do for blacks. To say I'm "racist" is incorrect. To say I'm prejudiced against a certain "look" and "attitude" is correct. If you saw a person wearing a white cape/gown/dress with a white mask (aka: Ku Klux Klan), you would probably think "negative" thoughts about that person, even so much as to say you are "prejudiced" against them. Is it because of the way they dress? Not exactly, it's what that clothing represents. If you think "well people that wear that like to burn crosses in front yards," remember that I'm thinking "people that wear "gansta" clothing rob houses and murder." Obviously not ALL "gansta" wearers do that, as not ALL KKK members burned crosses.

When I see a black person wearing "regular" clothing, I don't think any more of it if I saw a white person. But when I see a group of blacks wearing "gansta" clothing, being enormously loud, staring down women, and blasting profanity every other word, well, to say I shouldn't think different of them is to tell me to ignore logic and reason.

You have a personal obsession with ALL Blacks, just because 4 of them stole your bike or whatever. What about the rest of Black people who didn't do NOTHING to you? What is excatly their fault here?
First of all, I have an obsession with nothing. Secondly, ONE of them stole my bike, and THREE others robbed my house of over $1,000 worth of property. Just to set the facts straight.

Now what about the rest of the blacks that didn't do ANYTHING to me? Well, what about the other cats in the world that didn't do anything to me? I'm still gonna be wary and "keep an eye out" because I don't want to get SCREWED again.

The n-word is racist on its own, and whoever uses it to actually describe Black people is either a racist or very very ignorant moron who doesn't understand that it is not a good thing to say.
Now THAT is an opinion and nothing more. Do NOT pretend that your opinions on a word are fact, and that everyone who says it means it the same way you interpret it.

No, comparing a group of people to a group of animals is ridiculous the first place, and anybody with half a brain cell knows that.
First of all, it's an analogy. I kind of have to dumb down my arguments for people with LESS than half a brain, like yourself. It's a pretty basic concept to understand, but obviously, you lack the intelligence to relate.

LOL, I agree 100%.
rofl he gave some personal experience and you "agree 100%?" :lol:

I've been robbed 4 times. All by blacks. Coincidence? Why would I have anything against "white filth" when the only people I've had problems with are blacks?


I've been ripped off a few times in my life: except for one instance in which the guy was Morrocan, all the guys were white. Coincidence? Should this make me insult them as whitey filth?
I think you begin to understand why you are being called racist. If you don't, I recommend we all stop trying to hold a reasonable discussion with you.

M.

I've been ripped off a few times in my life: except for one instance in which the guy was Morrocan, all the guys were white. Coincidence? Should this make me insult them as whitey filth?
I think you begin to understand why you are being called racist. If you don't, I recommend we all stop trying to hold a reasonable discussion with you.
OK, how about you stop referring to that (it's not even an argument, it's a fact), and start trying to contradict my real arguments. You're missing the entire point I'm trying to make if you don't read all my posts.

I've been ripped off a few times in my life: except for one instance in which the guy was Morrocan, all the guys were white. Coincidence? Should this make me insult them as whitey filth?
I think you begin to understand why you are being called racist. If you don't, I recommend we all stop trying to hold a reasonable discussion with you.

M.

A Rotarian stole a pink flamingo from my front yard once. Hmmmm ... he looked a lot like Snouter, too ...

A Rotarian stole a pink flamingo from my front yard once. Hmmmm ... he looked a lot like Snouter, too ...
good logic. ignore the good posts

OK, how about you stop referring to that (it's not even an argument, it's a fact), and start trying to contradict my real arguments. You're missing the entire point I'm trying to make if you don't read all my posts.

IF you don't want people to refer to things you write, don't write them.
It is because you called them blackie filth that you are considered racist by me. I have demonstrated why above. It seems you are not trying to deny the validity of my reasoning.

M.

IF you don't want people to refer to things you write, don't write them.
It is because you called them blackie filth that you are considered racist by me. I have demonstrated why above. It seems you are not trying to deny the validity of my reasoning.

First of all, the people that robbed me were black, and they were filth. I see nothing racist about that remark. It's the same thing as someone saying "white trash." So I guess Oberon is racist too. Either way, the argument isn't whether or not I'm a racist. Besides, since people define racism differently, what you consider racist might not be considered racist to me. Since we're not arguing what should be considered racist, I think it's time you find something better to reply to.

First of all, the people that robbed me were black, and they were filth. I see nothing racist about that remark. It's the same thing as someone saying "white trash." So I guess Oberon is racist too. Either way, the argument isn't whether or not I'm a racist. Besides, since people define racism differently, what you consider racist might not be considered racist to me. Since we're not arguing what should be considered racist, I think it's time you find something better to reply to.

I disagree.
I'm black, and when I hear someone say 'blackie filth', I know the blackie isn't merely descriptive. If you had said black filth, there would already be a world of difference. You know very well that if you call someone blackie, he's not likely to appreciate it, and he will certainly consider you racist.

In contrast, 'white trash' is a widely used term to describe a certain lifestyle and culture within White America. I find the term tasteless and do not use it myself, but it is not understood as racist in its usage.

M.

I think Cpttrips is speaking more in terms of group dynamics than on an individual basis.

The simple facts are that blacks, while making up only 12% of the population, make up more than 50% of our prison population, and commit almost 70% of the violent crime in the U.S.

His concerns about being suspicious of blacks, while not being prejudicial or treating them worse, seems fine to me.

Me being labeled a racist in....5....4....3...2......

I disagree.
I'm black, and when I hear someone say 'blackie filth', I know the blackie isn't merely descriptive. If you had said black filth, there would already be a world of difference. You know very well that if you call someone blackie, he's not likely to appreciate it, and he will certainly consider you racist.

In contrast, 'white trash' is a widely used term to describe a certain lifestyle and culture within White America. I find the term tasteless and do not use it myself, but it is not understood as racist in its usage.


OK, now it's my turn to disagree. I do NOT see a difference between "black" and "blackie" with the exception that "blackie" sounds a bit more derogatory. However, I used it in the context of criminals; therefore, it's obvious I'm not calling all blacks "blackies." It's one thing to say something, it's another to take what was said in the wrong way. If I were to say I truely don't see or mean a difference with those two words, well, either take my word for it and play ignorant and pretend I'm still "racist."

I think Cpttrips is speaking more in terms of group dynamics than on an individual basis.

The simple facts are that blacks, while making up only 12% of the population, make up more than 50% of our prison population, and commit almost 70% of the violent crime in the U.S.

His concerns about being suspicious of blacks, while not being prejudicial or treating them worse, seems fine to me.
Thank you. While I don't like statistics, since I believe they can be falsified to some degree, I rely mostly on personal experience.

Like I said before, I do not believe in segregation or racism, yet I DO believe that by being "prejudiced" against certain people, especially when a certain group is associated with criminal acts (aka: 'gansta' clothing, see previous post).

OK, now it's my turn to disagree. I do NOT see a difference between "black" and "blackie" with the exception that "blackie" sounds a bit more derogatory. However, I used it in the context of criminals; therefore, it's obvious I'm not calling all blacks "blackies." It's one thing to say something, it's another to take what was said in the wrong way. If I were to say I truely don't see or mean a difference with those two words, well, either take my word for it and play ignorant and pretend I'm still "racist."


Yes, the context was the criminals who wronged you. Why did you not stick to calling them filthy thieves? "Blackie" was not necessary in your insult unless it somehow added to the dimension of the insult.

Rationalize this any which way you want, I'm just trying to help you understand how you got into this. Its good this is happening on a BB. If you take on board what is being said now, you might avoid yourself some unnecessary real life trouble in the future.

M.

I think Cpttrips is speaking more in terms of group dynamics than on an individual basis.

The simple facts are that blacks, while making up only 12% of the population, make up more than 50% of our prison population, and commit almost 70% of the violent crime in the U.S.

His concerns about being suspicious of blacks, while not being prejudicial or treating them worse, seems fine to me.

Me being labeled a racist in....5....4....3...2......

Dumb argument. Crimes depend on opportunity, and street crime is what is available to street criiminals, whatever their color.

Most really violent crimes, like invading Iraq under falsified pretenses and slaughtering millions for personal gain, is far more violent than random street crime, regardless of whether those reponsible ever see jail time for it. Those responsible for the situation blacks find themselves in the U.S. are more violent and vicious, yet aren't doing jail time, nor are the criminals responsible for the organized crime operations called 'insurance companies' doing time.

Just because somebody isn't getting his own hands dirty doesn't mean they aren't guilty of the same violence, and the kind of gibberish people like Snouter and 'Capn' indulge in are just self fulfilling acts of violence in and of themselves. If street crime were the most lucrative crimes, then the colors of prison inmates would be reversed, but, then if that were the case, those acts would no longer be considered crimes. LOL The ruling class murders people every day, and in larger numbers, just from illegal pollution alone, followed by malnutrition.

You mean the IRS? For a tax audit? Come on, if you knew "gansters" that worked for "city hall," chances are you would know their names and could report them if they're doing illegal harassing. In my case, I was robbed without my knowledge..
They were city building inspectors and I did report this to as many people as I could but nobody gave a ****. My town is run by the mafia and nobody cares. Every election year its the same garbage. This year my alderman came to my house and asked me for my vote. I told him to get the **** out of my home. Like, when this crap all happened I went to him and he wouldn't give me the time of day so why should he get my vote.


And?
Not much, considering I don't know any of the situations. If you were throwing rocks at said kids beforehand, I wouldn't be surprised.
No, I was a short, skinny kid who stuttered and wore glasses. Kids at that age look for easy targets to pick on


Here's the thing. I'm going to be making some generalizations here, so don't be too surprised. From what I've seen where I live, white people generally walk around and dress I guess you could say "normally." The majority of blacks I see walk around with doo rags and baggy clothes generally trying to look "gansta." Now, when I think of "gansta" people (black or white) the term that comes to mind is "dangerous" and/or "criminal." There are few whites who walk around in such a fashion, but those that do, I feel the same thing about them as I do for blacks. To say I'm "racist" is incorrect. To say I'm prejudiced against a certain "look" and "attitude" is correct. If you saw a person wearing a white cape/gown/dress with a white mask (aka: Ku Klux Klan), you would probably think "negative" thoughts about that person, even so much as to say you are "prejudiced" against them. Is it because of the way they dress? Not exactly, it's what that clothing represents. If you think "well people that wear that like to burn crosses in front yards," remember that I'm thinking "people that wear "gansta" clothing rob houses and murder." Obviously not ALL "gansta" wearers do that, as not ALL KKK members burned crosses.

When I see a black person wearing "regular" clothing, I don't think any more of it if I saw a white person. But when I see a group of blacks wearing "gansta" clothing, being enormously loud, staring down women, and blasting profanity every other word, well, to say I shouldn't think different of them is to tell me to ignore logic and reason.
OK. I see your point.

And I'm sorry that **** had to happen to you man. Really, bullies come in all colors and shapes. Not not all of them are "gangstas". Some thugs dress in fine cloaths and carry briefcases. As Don Henly puts it "Respectable little murders are made and they get more respectable every day,"

No, I was a short, skinny kid who stuttered and wore glasses. Kids at that age look for easy targets to pick on
I can relate to that. However, that sort of thing dies off with age and maturity. By highschool, most of the bullies had "grown up." Unfortunately, with criminals and such nowadays, it's a totally different story. It's not a matter of maturing for them, it's simply a lack of morals and a 100% wrong mindset. And there's not much we can do against that.

OK. I see your point.

And I'm sorry that **** had to happen to you man. Really, bullies come in all colors and shapes. Not not all of them are "gangstas". Some thugs dress in fine cloaths and carry briefcases. As Don Henly puts it "Respectable little murders are made and they get more respectable every day,"
Well at least you can now see where I'm coming from. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not "racist," since I believe that's just about as bad as being a criminal. But for people to tell me NOT to discriminate is to tell me to walk around with "FREE MONEY - APPLY WITHIN" written on my back pocket. If I'm at an ATM and there's a black guy standing behind me looking suspicious, there's no way in hell anyone could tell me "well you can't worry about him because if you do, you're racist." Racists believe other races are inferior and shouldn't be allowed the same rights as themselves: that is DEFINITELY not what I believe, and for people like Oberon and Ganja and TT to start shouting "racist!" like Joseph McCarthy shouting "Communist!" simply because they have differing opinions is simply absurb, ignorant, and downright idiotic.

The simple facts are that blacks, while making up only 12% of the population, make up more than 50% of our prison population, and commit almost 70% of the violent crime in the U.S.

False. They might commit almost 70% of reported violent crime.

Nothing personal Manstein, but simple facts are nothing more than simple facts. How they're presented makes all the difference in what people hear in any given message.

A Rotarian stole a pink flamingo from my front yard once. Hmmmm ... he looked a lot like Snouter, too ...


I hate it when that happens :(

False. They might commit almost 70% of reported violent crime.


I hope your not implying that people report crime more often when a black person commits it. Whereas if a white guy commits it, they sweep it under the rug.

I hope your not implying that people report crime more often when a black person commits it. Whereas if a white guy commits it, they sweep it under the rug.
Although I don't think jojo is implying that, I do agree that a lot of people scream "unfair" when statisics like these are released. I've heard many times "It's because it's the white man who makes these statistics" and that is total garbage. If every black proponent says "all whites lie" and every white proponent says "all blacks lie," then who the heck are we supposed to believe?

I hope your not implying that people report crime more often when a black person commits it. Whereas if a white guy commits it, they sweep it under the rug.

No, that would be a strange thing to propose.
However one would expect people to report criminals a black somewhat more often when the actual ethnicity of the criminal is actually vague or unknown.
Since the face given to street crime in America is overwhelmingly black, people expect such a criminal to be black and will probably 'see black' when in doubt.

There is probably also a remnant from the days of "the Big Black Bad man came and beat my wife" style lies to cover up white on white crime. I'm not saying this is a terribly significant component in terms of sheer numbers, but it is a component nonetheless.

M.

I hope your not implying that people report crime more often when a black person commits it. Whereas if a white guy commits it, they sweep it under the rug.
Those are your words, not mine.

Although I don't think jojo is implying that, I do agree that a lot of people scream "unfair" when statisics like these are released. I've heard many times "It's because it's the white man who makes these statistics" and that is total garbage. If every black proponent says "all whites lie" and every white proponent says "all blacks lie," then who the heck are we supposed to believe?
Facts are facts. How they are presented makes all the difference in any given case.

Isn't it true that the only way we will progress as a people is to learn to accept that which is unfair in our lives and to forgive those who have done us wrong?

Who doesn't know that skin color truly doesn't matter?

I cannot take steps for you, I can only take steps for myself. What other way is there to look at it?

Isn't it true that the only way we will progress as a people is to learn to accept that which is unfair in our lives
Not in the very least. I refuse to accept criminalism as an "acceptable unfair aspect" of my life. To embrace criminals would be to endorse them; the world population would become criminal. Is that a world you would want to live in?

It is a world that I am living in and a world that I am ok with living in.

Please, explain how you "fight" racism, sexism, and homophobia. And don't answer "by posting on message boards."

I fight it by not using racist language,by seeing people as individuals,by judging them strictly by the content of their character and not at all by the color of their skin.

And that's only for starters.



From some reason, he is only against "blackie filth that robs", but not "whitey filth that robs" or "brownie filth that robs". And if I'm wrong, why does he even find the need of bringing the criminal's skin color, as opposed to his eyes color or hair color? What does a person's race has ANYTHING to do with him being a criminal?


If he would call them "crooks","jerks","as$holes" or anything like that ,it would not be racist,by bringing race in it ,it's obvious racism.


And by saying the n-word, you still claim not to be a racist?


Agreed.



I've been robbed 4 times. All by blacks. Coincidence?




Maybe it is.

Are you implying crime is genetic?


Why would I have anything against "white filth" when the only people I've had problems with are blacks?


Have you ever had a good expereicne with a black person?




So name calling now constitutes racism?


It has historically.

The issue is not the words ,it's what the words mean.

The words are used to degrade people for no reason other than the color of their skin,is that fair?



You called racists a$$holes," so does that make you a racist?


No,that is judging a mindset one chooses to have,not a race.




And when did I say all blacks are the "n-word?" I believe I directly applied that word to the blacks that robbed myself and my family.


It does not matter ,you should judge them strictly by what they do,not what they look like.








I got beaten up by white kids when I was in high school.


So did I.

I also got harassed by them as well [daily taunts of "retard" becasue I had a nervous system disorder that gave me a speech impediment and "white trash" because I came from poverty].

And you know what?The same kids who would degrade me that way were the same one who would use the "n" wrod and other racial slurs.


So what does that tell you about white people? :hmm:



Indeed.


Ok, so what. They are criminals, but why does the fact that they just happen to have a black skin color matter?


It's as insignificant as the color of one's hair or the color of one's eyes.



Why would a non-racist even care about what race they are, or what do they even look like?


Agreed.



Just because you had a few bad experiences with a few induvidual bad people who happened to be black doesen't excuse the racism you have against a whole group of people, whose only crime in general was being born with that skin color.


Agreed.



And in your context, it really does sound like racism to me, because you could have used the word "criminals" or whatever to describe these certain people, but you chose to just use their color of skin (something that they can't change) to hold something against them, by using racist words. I'm sorry, call it what you want, but this is racism.


Agreed.


YES, I did call all racists a$$holes. I think a racist person AT THE VERY BEST is just a ignorant a$$hole who should know better. That is assuming he's not truely evil or mentaly ill, just an idiot who was probably just raised that way.


I think racism/bigotry is a form of mental illness and one of the things that can create mental illness is trauma.


Why would you hate white people? Are you implying I've said I hate black people? I've made no such statements or assumptions.



Dude,your language insinuates that.

I think most people would agree.





Now THAT is an opinion and nothing more.


It is an opinion the overwhelming majority of society would agree with ,and for good reason.


IF you don't want people to refer to things you write, don't write them.
It is because you called them blackie filth that you are considered racist by me. I have demonstrated why above. It seems you are not trying to deny the validity of my reasoning.

M.

I agree.
First of all, the people that robbed me were black, and they were filth. I see nothing racist about that remark. It's the same thing as someone saying "white trash."


See above,I find that term offensive too.


I disagree.
I'm black, and when I hear someone say 'blackie filth', I know the blackie isn't merely descriptive. If you had said black filth, there would already be a world of difference. You know very well that if you call someone blackie, he's not likely to appreciate it, and he will certainly consider you racist.


Agreed.


In contrast, 'white trash' is a widely used term to describe a certain lifestyle and culture within White America. I find the term tasteless and do not use it myself, but it is not understood as racist in its usage.

M.
I somewhat disagree.

As I previously said,I was called that as a child becasue I grew up in an impoverished household.

It was a term used to dergade me for no good reason ,and the people who called me that were the same people who used racial slurs too.

The fact is ,we shouldn't degrade people.


OK, now it's my turn to disagree. I do NOT see a difference between "black" and "blackie" with the exception that "blackie" sounds a bit more derogatory.


That's a major difference.


However, I used it in the context of criminals; therefore, it's obvious I'm not calling all blacks "blackies."


:bs: you did nothing to specify that,even if true ,you are still bringing up their race,not what they did.






No, I was a short, skinny kid who stuttered and wore glasses. Kids at that age look for easy targets to pick on


Me too,I didn't wear glasses then but the rest was true.

Plus they used my defective nervous system and family's finances [or lack of] to harass me with too.


And I'm sorry that **** had to happen to you man. Really, bullies come in all colors and shapes. Not not all of them are "gangstas". Some thugs dress in fine cloaths and carry briefcases. As Don Henly puts it "Respectable little murders are made and they get more respectable every day,"


Agreed.






and for people like Oberon and Ganja and TT to start shouting "racist!" like Joseph McCarthy shouting "Communist!" simply because they have differing opinions is simply absurb, ignorant, and downright idiotic.

:bs:

I fight it by not using racist language,by seeing people as individuals,by judging them strictly by the content of their character and not at all by the color of their skin.

That's not fighting anything. That's simply non-participation. So because I'm not in Iraq, I'm fighting the war on terror? No....


If he would call them "crooks","jerks","as$holes" or anything like that ,it would not be racist,by bringing race in it ,it's obvious racism.

It's not necessarily a matter of race; I was simply being specific. If I said I was attacked by a bunch of brown dogs, am I being prejudiced against all brown dogs by referring to the color of their coat? Of course not, I'm being specific.

Are you implying crime is genetic?

No, but perhaps a certain lifestyle is more predisposed to certain behavior than others. I don't dress "gansta" or idolize rappers that sing about killing cops; I also am not a criminal. Do I really need to explain the other side?

Have you ever had a good expereicne with a black person?

In middle school, I had a fellow classmate who was black. We became friends, went to birthday parties, etc, then he moved at the end of the year. And last year, I had a professor who was black, who was a nice guy. Other than that, there are no outstanding people/events that stand out in my mind.


CptTrips:So name calling now constitutes racism?
TT:It has historically.
CptTrips: You called racists a$$holes," so does that make you a racist?
TT:No,that is judging a mindset one chooses to have,not a race.

OK, so if name calling = racism (which you agree), and you call a racist a name, therefore, you would be a racist, not due to race, but to the fact that name-calling is equivalent to racism.


It does not matter ,you should judge them strictly by what they do,not what they look like.

Like I said, if a black and a white guy are standing behind me at an ATM, and the black guy is dressed "gangsta" and the white guy is dressed "normally," and I keep "more of an eye on" the black guy, am I being racist? No, I've analyzed the situation and determined the most possible threat comes from the black guy. That doesn't make me racist.


Dude,your language insinuates that.

I think most people would agree.

False generalization.


It is an opinion the overwhelming majority of society would agree with ,and for good reason.
False generalization.


That's a major difference.

:bs: you did nothing to specify that,even if true ,you are still bringing up their race,not what they did.

Again, opinion, and I disagree.

It is because you called them blackie filth that you are considered racist by me.

Racist: 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

I am NOT racist.

Racist: 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

I am NOT racist.

Haha!

You are also a selective quoter of the dictionary, it would seem :)

M.

Haha!

You are also a selective quoter of the dictionary, it would seem :)

M.
Nothing wrong with that either.

No, but perhaps a certain lifestyle is more predisposed to certain behavior than others. I don't dress "gansta" or idolize rappers that sing about killing cops; I also am not a criminal. Do I really need to explain the other side?

Ok, so you gonna put down Black people in general by taking into the account some kids in poor neighbourhoods? I mean, c'mon, it's not like most Black people just go around with their pants bellow their asses, listening to rap, sing about killing cops and commit crime. Hell, unless you only take into the account black kids in the ghettos, you may find that most African-Americans are not exactly "Rap fans". And what's wrong with Rap anyways? I'm not saying you have to like it, but what's wrong with other people liking it?

And for the matter of fact, as someone who had good friends in ghettos (black and white), I can assure you that not everybody who dresses "gansta", listens to rap (and it's not excatly my favorite music either), and EVEN "smokes blunts"...are criminals or even bad people. Not even close. It's no less then a stereotype than all Jews being greedy. Are there greedy people who are Jewish? I'm sure. Are there criminals among Afriocan-Americans? Sure, why not. Every race has these people. The point is, race never matters...if anything you can blame crime on class (and in my experience, young white people in the ghetto did much more crimes than blacks), poverty, whatever. It's still not right to discriminate against people just because of their class, but at least if you won't bring race in, you won't be a racist.

In middle school, I had a fellow classmate who was black. We became friends, went to birthday parties, etc, then he moved at the end of the year. And last year, I had a professor who was black, who was a nice guy. Other than that, there are no outstanding people/events that stand out in my mind.

Ok, so that explains. You just don't like Black people really, because you only met two of them that you liked. That is not the case with me or nearly anybody else. And I know people who are African-American, that are among the most cool and amazing people I've ever met...people who I care about more than some white people that I don't know who claim to always "have problems with blacks" and want to "preserve the white race". So why wouldn't I stand against racsim and segregation?

I say forget it,he's hopeless.

I say forget it,he's hopeless.

True, I mean, lol..."A Black guy stole my bike...WAAAAAAAAAA...somebody dial nine-whine-whine to get the waaaaaaaambulance...it means integration doesn't worth it...segregation may be wrong, but the hell with civil rights...I'm not racist at all, I think racism is bad, but...these evil black people (or n---ers), they all dress gansta, listen to rap, kill cops, steal, smoke crack...get them away from me...I mean, there maybe one or two among them who are good people, but that's it...so somebody help me, I'M SCARED OF THIS BLACK GUY BEHIND ME AT THE STORE, HE'S ABOUT TO ROB ME, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA".

He really does proves that racism is a mental problem usually. I mean, he really does believe he is not a racist, he was told racism is wrong and logically he understands why, but deep inside he has fear and paranoia of Black people maybe because of several bad experiences, and while logically he knows that segregation is morally wrong, he still wants to be segregated from Blacks, and his claim that he met only 2 "good black people" in his life implies that he was obviously trying to avoid anybody who happened African-Americans as much as possible, otherwise it is impossible to understand that. A person who is not a racist at all would not look at a person's color AT ALL, not more than his hair or eye color at least. And a person, who is not a racist at all and lived in America at least for a few years, would without any kind of doubt end up meeting WAY MORE than "two good black people", otherwise it is technically impossible, socially speaking.

Ok, so you gonna put down Black people in general by taking into the account some kids in poor neighbourhoods?
Florida State University campus is not a "poor neighbourhood." And I'm not putting down black people in general. Those that commit crime and/or are predisposed to it. Geez can't you read?

I mean, c'mon, it's not like most Black people just go around with their pants bellow their asses, listening to rap,
Congrats, you just described 90% of the population of black students in Tallahassee.

Ok, so that explains. You just don't like Black people really, because you only met two of them that you liked.
Ok, wow, now you're pulling stuff outta your @ss. That isn't even remotely a reason regarding anything; I simply answered a question before about what "good experiences" I've had with blacks. If you're making crap up now, chances are, you've been doing it this whole time.