View Full Version : Eisenhower forces German prisoners to starve
Criminal 01-17-2005, 05:10 AM http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ike.htm
Never had so many people been put in prison. The size of the Allied captures was unprecedented in all history. The Soviets took prisoner some 3.5 million Europeans, the Americans about 6.1 million, the British about 2.4 million, the Canadians about 300,000, the French around 200,000. Uncounted millions of Japanese entered American captivity in 1945, plus about 640,000 entering Soviet captivity. [Above: A U.S. Army soldier stands guard over thousands of German POWs at Sinzig-Remagen, spring 1945.]
As soon as Germany surrendered on 8 May 1945, the American Military Governor, General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" throughout the huge area that he commanded, making it a crime punishable by death for German civilians to feed prisoners. It was even a death-penalty crime to gather food together in one place to take it to prisoners ... The order was sent in German to the provincial governments, ordering them to distribute it immediately to local governments. Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine ... The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: "... under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot...."
Eisenhower's order was also posted in English, German and Polish on the bulletin board of Military Government Headquarters in Bavaria, signed by the Chief of Staff of the Military Governor of Bavaria. Later it was posted in Polish in Straubing and Regensburg, where there were many Polish guard companies at nearby camps. One US Army officer who read the posted order in May 1945 has written that it was "the intention of Army command regarding the German POW camps in the US Zone from May 1945 through the end of 1947 to exterminate as many POWs as the traffic would bear without international scrutiny."
... The [American] army's policy was to starve [German] prisoners, according to several American soldiers who were there. Martin Brech, retired professor of philosophy at Mercy college in New York, who was a guard at Andernach in 1945, has said that he was told by an officer that "it is our policy that these men not be fed." The 50,000 to 60,000 men in Andernach were starving, living with no shelter in holes in the ground, trying to nourish themselves on grass. When Brech smuggled bread to them through the wire, he was ordered to stop by an officer. Later, Brech sneaked more food to them, was caught, and told by the same officer, "If you do that again, you'll be shot." Brech saw bodies go out of the camp "by the truckload" but he was never told how many there were, where they were buried, or how.
CptTrips 01-29-2005, 03:13 AM Fortunately for us, we weren't there. We didn't get to see the situation how it really was, only how it is presented to us today over 60 years later. I think this is case of "if we allow some of (some) item in, we'll have to start allowing ALL of (some) items in." When imprisoning such massive numbers of POW's, I assume that such strict control was necessary.
My hypothesis:
If all the prisoners got the same amount of food, there'd be less arguing/fighting. If POWs heard that people were smuggling food, and the prisoners near the fences were the ones that got it, there'd be practicaly rioting to get to the fences, which wouldn't be a good thing with such hugh amounts of prisoners. And remember the mindset of the Allied solders and administration at the time.... They've recented learned the Germans killed millions of innocent people: I guess they thought not letting them have the amenity of extra food was a fair "punishment," so to speak.
The mass starvations were done very much on purpose to kill off the Germans. I forget who put an end to it, but it was hoped to wipe out the German race forever. They are still trying to do that today it seems making Germans ashamed of themselves and bringing in immigration, but that goes for every country in Europe. Look into it please, and you'll find out why and how this is able to happen.
How Eisenhower's orders killed Germany's prisoners of war after WW2:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Bacque/Brech2002.html
Criminal 02-10-2005, 10:57 AM The mass starvations were done very much on purpose to kill off the Germans. I forget who put an end to it, but it was hoped to wipe out the German race forever. They are still trying to do that today it seems making Germans ashamed of themselves and bringing in immigration, but that goes for every country in Europe. Look into it please, and you'll find out why and how this is able to happen.
How Eisenhower's orders killed Germany's prisoners of war after WW2:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Bacque/Brech2002.html
Even though I detest National-Socialism and Hitler, I found the treatment of the Germans after the was to be disgraceful. I posted a link sometime before on how East Prussia was completely destroyed and its people forcefully evicted from their homes. The soviet forces who occupied that region used extreme brutality. Women were raped, men murdered, houses demolished. People who think that the allies acted honorably towards the German people are badly mistaken.
Specter88 02-12-2005, 04:46 AM I guess you can't blame him for being angry. Eisenhower was Jewish.
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.eisenhower/Origin.JE/sId./qx/coatofarms_details.htm
Criminal 02-12-2005, 07:40 PM I guess you can't blame him for being angry. Eisenhower was Jewish.
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.eisenhower/Origin.JE/sId./qx/coatofarms_details.htm
Possibly of Jewish ancestory but not entirely. I heard he was actually of German origin. I could be wrong on that one. Surnames are not always proof of one's origin. One of Hitler's most trusted supporters was the Nazi historian and philosopher, Alfred Rosenberg, who had an obviously jewish sounding last name. Rosenberg was in fact an anti-semite who ruthlessly enforced the Nazi racial ideology in occupied Russia.
Ironweed 02-16-2005, 09:57 PM Possibly of Jewish ancestory but not entirely.
Nah, not one drop of Jewish blood, at least through the Eisenhower side. His father had been raised as a Mennonite, so for literally hundreds of years his ancestors had married only other Mennonites, first in the states that later became Germany and then in Pennsylvania. (His parents drifted away from the Mennonite sect. I believe his mother actually wound up as a Jehovah's Witness.) For some odd reason this is one the Stormfronties cling to, though they're utterly unable to say exactly who the Jew in his background was, and exactly what blood relation they are to him.
A racist preacher in the 1950s also started claiming that he was a "Swedish Jew," due to a nickname he'd picked up at West Point. A baseless smear, since the guy could ALSO not name where the Jew in his background came from. To say nothing of the fact that Eisenhower was not of any sort of Swedish extraction.
I'm not really sure about his mother's side, though I do know they were farmers in western Virginia, before she moved to Kansas. I heard somewhere or other that there were concerns she may have had some black, not Jewish, ancestry, so who knows?
corruptoloco 02-17-2005, 04:10 AM http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ike.htm
This is a story I simply cannot believe. Maybe in isolated camps but not on a grand scale. My granddad was in an american pow camp after the war and he said most americans were friendly and the food was not much but okay.
Sorry but I choose to believe my granddad.
How Eisenhower's orders killed Germany's prisoners of war after WW2:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Bacque/Brech2002.html
That link surely gives credit to your statements. The site of a known holocaust denier.
corruptoloco 02-17-2005, 04:17 AM I posted a link sometime before on how East Prussia was completely destroyed and its people forcefully evicted from their homes. The soviet forces who occupied that region used extreme brutality. Women were raped, men murdered, houses demolished.
Do you still have this link somewhere?
Criminal 02-17-2005, 06:45 AM Do you still have this link somewhere?
http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58799&highlight=Prussia
http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58801&highlight=Prussia
Chris 02-17-2005, 08:39 AM That link surely gives credit to your statements. The site of a known holocaust denier.
The linked site has an article not written by a 'known holocaust denier' but by a former American guard and professor of philosophy (Martin Brech, mentioned in Criminal's first post). You should respond to the content of things and not dismiss them based simply on where they were hosted.
Lrechna 02-20-2005, 10:57 AM For truth told the Prussians original died all in 1500's The Germans kill all the Prussians and occupi there land and call theyself Prussians.
Chris 02-20-2005, 07:15 PM Incorrect. The old Prussians, a group of Balts, were conquered and converted by the Teutonic knights by the late 13th century and eventually Germanised or Polonised, depending on where they lived. They weren't killed off.
Criminal 02-20-2005, 07:37 PM For truth told the Prussians original died all in 1500's The Germans kill all the Prussians and occupi there land and call theyself Prussians.
Incorrect. The old Prussians, a group of Balts, were conquered and converted by the Teutonic knights by the late 13th century and eventually Germanised or Polonised, depending on where they lived. They weren't killed off.
Both answers are correct. Lrechna is referring to the "Old Prussians" who were a pagan tribe of Baltic speaking people who were kinsmen of the Lithuanians. The Tutonic Knights launched a crusade against the Prussians and conquered the land. The people were not really extermanated as much as they were enslaved. The knights were a religious order who practiced celibacy and took oaths similar to monastic orders. Under their rule, the old language of the Prussians died and the people became Germanized.
The Tutonic knights also fought the Poles and the Lithuanians. After Lithuania accepted the Christian faith, they managed to stop the Tutonic order from conquering their land.
After the Protestant Reformation, the Tutonic Knights abandoned their order and became feudal landowners. They married and formed an aristocracy.
Ironically, the once pagan Lithuanians remained Catholic and the to this day the majority of Lithuanians are of the Catholic faith.
The Prussians continued to practice Luthernism. Under the great King Frederick the Great, Prussia became a strong military power. Later Prussia became the driving force in the defeat of Napoleon. Under Bismark, Germany became a unified state, with the Prussians leading the effort.
While Prussia is most known for its militarism, it should also be noted that this was also the land of great intellectual activity. Immanuel Kant, the great philospher from Konigsberg led a revolution of intellectual activity.
Frederick the Great was a believer in the enlightenment, though he was an enlightened despot in the truest sense of the word. He liberated the serfs in his country and sponsered the arts and sciences.
After 1945, the Soviet Union annexed the northern half of East Prussia and gave the rest to Poland. The regions german inhabitants were forcefully removed. Today Prussia no longer exists and has been deleted from all maps.
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