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ĘSiR
12-03-2004, 10:23 AM
SALT LAKE CITY - A Manti man has a penny for Sanpete County's thoughts. About 8,200 of them, actually.

Grant Petersen withdrew that many copper coins from his bank and delivered them in a bucket to pay an $82 fine he got for driving with a burnt-out headlight.

Court officials are apparently not amused, and have asked Petersen to come back in and offer a more "acceptable" form of payment. They say state policy allows clerks to reject unusual forms of payment, and it's going to waste county resources for someone to count all that change.

Petersen says he doesn't plan on honoring that request. He says money is money, and U.S. law provides that coins are legal tender.

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Unrepresented
12-03-2004, 10:56 AM
Having just had to spend last weekend in traffic school in addition to paying a speeding ticket I will side with anyone who makes an attempt to **** with our DMV.

jojo
12-03-2004, 11:13 AM
Having just had to spend last weekend in traffic school in addition to paying a speeding ticket I will side with anyone who makes an attempt to **** with our DMV.

This doesn't affect work, does it? Just curious.

Monster
12-03-2004, 12:15 PM
The DMV's work? Not likely. Those bastards don't do much/any work that I can discern in the first place.

Unrepresented
12-03-2004, 11:17 PM
This doesn't affect work, does it? Just curious.
Naw, this was on my own time and I got the ticket dismissed through traffic school.

pangefous52
12-03-2004, 11:50 PM
The local video store wouldn't let my brother and I rent a video because we had over $45.00 in late fees. Apparently a group of caucasians (my family) had rented Menace to Society (a movie I watched some years later and still couldn't relate to). My mother was so pissed that she took the late fee money to the store in pennies and sat there while the woman counted it. Needless to say, that was the last time we utilized the services of said store.

OneBrightGator
12-04-2004, 09:49 PM
If you weren't going to rent from them again why did you pay the fee?

Monster
12-04-2004, 10:01 PM
You obviously haven't had much experience with being a royal pain in the ass.

It was worth it. It ended any future harassment from the store, and it pissed them off! :D

Terrapin
12-04-2004, 10:30 PM
I fought the DMV once for my license back..and won :nice:

BadNews88
12-05-2004, 05:31 PM
I fought the DMV once for my license back..and won :nice:

I think that was a SONG, once, wasn't it? :D

eeper69
12-05-2004, 05:34 PM
You obviously haven't had much experience with being a royal pain in the ass.

It was worth it. It ended any future harassment from the store, and it pissed them off! :D :nice:

kiwimac
12-05-2004, 06:38 PM
If the coins are legal tender you can't refuse to accept them in payment of a debt.

Kiwimac

Red_Thunder
12-05-2004, 06:41 PM
Last I heard, pennies were legal tender.

Epicius
12-06-2004, 11:43 AM
You guys are amateurs:-



Cash Cow

In Britain, banks are required to accept any legible check, irrespective of the document's material content.
"On 26 August 1970, A. P. Herbert was presented with a cheque for five pounds (GBP) written on a cow, drawn by the Editor and Chairman of Punch magazine. The cow was a pregnant golden Guernsey called Elba (full name Pettings Regent Alna) which was lead into a bank and cashed..."

[Herbert himself had written cheques on napkins, a brandy bottle, and an egg.]

[Trivia: In another classic case, Albert Haddock attempted thus to pay his taxes: "On the 31st of May the Collector was diverted from his respectable labours by the apparition of a noisy crowd outside his windows. The crowd, Sir Basil, had been attracted by Mr. Haddock, who was leading a large white cow of malevolent aspect. On the back and sides of the cow were clearly stenciled in red ink the following words: 'TO THE LONDON AND LITERARY BANK, Ltd.: Pay the Collector of Taxes, who is no gentleman, or Order, the sum of fifty-seven pounds (and may he rot!). £ 57/l0/0 ALBERT HADDOCK' Mr. Haddock conducted the cow into the Collector's office, tendered it to the Collector in payment of income-tax and demanded a receipt... noting that the Collector could endorse the cow to any third party to whom he owed money, adding that there must be many persons in that position. The Collector then endeavored to endorse the cheque... on the abdomen of the cow. The cow, however, appeared to resent endorsement and adopted a menacing posture. The Collector, abandoning the attempt, declined finally to take the cheque. Mr. Haddock led the cow away and was arrested in Trafalgar Square for causing an obstruction. He has also been summoned by the Board of Inland Revenue for non-payment of income-tax."]


Herbert, Alan Patrick ["APH"] (1890-1971) British humorist, playwright and legal reformer [noted for his contributions to the humorous weekly Punch]

[Sources: London Times, 27 August 1970; zolatimes.com/V5.1/promissory_cow.html]

Fed_Up_With_Politics
12-07-2004, 07:58 PM
If the coins are legal tender you can't refuse to accept them in payment of a debt.

Kiwimac

I like the guy's style but saddly he's likely to be forced to come up with another payment form. While pennies are legal tender, there is apparently no law that a creditor has to actually accept legal tender. :(

From Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp):

That's it. All this means is that the Federal Reserve System must honor U.S. currency and coins, not necessarily anyone else. U.S. currency and coins can be used for making payments, but a debtor does not have to pay in legal tender, nor does a creditor have to accept legal tender. If a shoemaker wants to sell his products for 8000 jelly beans per pair, he's entitled to do so; the buyer cannot demand that he accept the equivalent value in legal tender instead. However, legal tender is the default method of payment assumed in contractual agreements involving payments for goods or services unless otherwise specified. So, for example, if an automobile dealer signs a contract agreeing to sell you a car for $8,000, but when you begin making monthly payments he rejects them and insists he wants to be paid in gold instead, you can go to court and have your debt discharged on the grounds that valid payment was offered and refused.

Unless maybe there is someway to argue that the ticket is a contract, thus legal tender...any legal tender....is the default method of payment. :scratch:

Wedge
12-08-2004, 10:03 PM
i think that they are afraid that if this guy is allowed to pay with pennies then everyone who thinks their ticket is fault is going to do the same.. only logic they would reject it..

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