http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II

I have little sympathy for the Volksdeutsche who moved into homes of freshly murdered Polish families in the newly annexed Warthegau.

im talking about the innocent people who lived in poland for centuries and werent "nazies"

Er, like the residents of Danzig, the majority of whom elected a Nazi to office in 1933?

you won he "debate". :)

I always do.

i know.

There has been some tension between Poland and Germany over the loss of property and expulsions which took place during WWII, but both governments have agreed that there is a need to move on and that there should be no compensations or lawsuits; such suits would run into many billions of Euros.
Now there was unpleasant things done by both Poles and Germans in the war and its aftermath (in regard to loss of property and expulsion) though the war was of coarse started by the Germans so most blame should lay with them; having said that I agree with the governments that the past is the past and both countries need to look at themselves as partners in Europe and let a new friendship heal the hate of the past.

yeah, ur right. im just saying from experince because the armenians were "expulsed" from their lands to "relieve ethnic tension".

yeah, ur right. im just saying from experince because the armenians were "expulsed" from their lands to "relieve ethnic tension".
The Armenians faced more than expulsion, they suffered genocide.

you tell me. my granda was a genocide orphan.

there was lots of personal suffering by germans who were forced to leave poland after teh war too. they were marched to the border, and lots died of cold and starvation.

it was a ethnic cleansing, basicly. to get rid of germans living outside germany. be it by killing or forced displacment.

it was a ethnic cleansing, basicly. to get rid of germans living outside germany. be it by killing or forced displacment. Poland has little in the way of natural boundaries to mark its borders so in history it's borders have moved quite a bit. This was just another painful readjustment after a horrific war. Poland lost much in the war so I understand why it ejected Germans in anger.

I posted on this very subject before and drew a lot of flack. But I would say that it was totally wrong of the Czechs, for example to force Germans whose existance in that region predates the slavonic Czechs to leave. I would say the same is true about the Prussians who were driven from their homeland, with great savagry may I add. Now its also wrong for the German Nazis to kill so many Poles. And the mass murders in places like Lidice in Bohemia-Moravia (modern Czech Republic) as revenge for the assination of Heydrich (who was a son-of-a-b anyway) was wrong, as was the cruelty shown in the destruction of Warsaw. In war bad things happen and it just so happens that Hitler was the agressor. I myself would prefer seeing that the Czechs and Poles and Russians had focused on punishing the Nazis and not the German people as a whole. But I suppose when you are the winner in a war you get to make the rules, which is why so many Nazis were punished but no members of the NKVD were ever put on trial for such crimes as the mass killing of Polish officers in the Katyn forest.

NKVD were ever put on trial for such crimes as the mass killing of Polish officers in the Katyn forest.

yep, thats why poles and balts pretty much hated the russians for their actions.

yep, thats why poles and balts pretty much hated the russians for their actions.
True, but most of the hatred was directed towards the Kremlin and those in power. Even now, there is little backlash in the west towards Russian people. For the most part, most western nations including the US has been careful not to villanize the people of the former USSR. Where I live, thousands of people have come from the former USSR to live and work. Now after WW 2, by contrast, the German people were made into villians. A few technocrats came to the United States but mostly there was a desire to punish all the people from Germany. It was not until the Berlin Wall and Kennedy telling the people of that city that he was one of them that the Germans really were accepted by the rest of the world.