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dorag 11-24-2004, 11:04 PM was joan d'arc a bisexual. some historians claim so.
read this:
Klinefelter syndrome
A genetic condition in which a male has extra X chromosomes, thereby causing the development of female secondary sex characteristics. It is widely believed that Joan of Ark was a "Klinefelter male."
Shelter 11-24-2004, 11:05 PM Source? And how is this political discussion? Should be in Histry forum.
h2g2Fan 11-24-2004, 11:07 PM "assertive woman" = "bisexual"
eeper69 11-24-2004, 11:14 PM garden variety bigot
dorag 11-24-2004, 11:33 PM 1. im not a bigot, this is an interesting historical thing.
2. can an admin transfer this to the history section please.
RedLine99 11-24-2004, 11:47 PM did she live long enough to even develop anything resembling sexuality?
dorag 11-24-2004, 11:53 PM Klinefelter's syndrome is a condition caused by a chromosomal abnormality in males (specifically, a nondisjunction); sufferers have a pair of X sex chromosomes instead of just one. The XXY chromosome arrangement is a common genetic abnormality, occurring as frequently as 1 in 1,000 male births, but the symptoms that may result from having the extra chromosome are less common. Because of this extra chromosome, individuals with the abnormality are usually referred to as "XXY Males" rather than as "suffering from Klinefelter's syndrome."
In mammals with more than one X chromosome, the genes on all but one X chromosome are barred from being expressed. This happens in XXY males as well as XX females. A few genes, however, have corresponding genes on the Y chromosome and are not barred. These triploid genes in XXY males may be responsible for the symptoms of Klinefelter's syndrome.
In adults, the syndrome is characterised by gynecomastia (enlarged breasts), a rounded body type with abnormal body proportions, sparse facial and body hair, small testes, and an inability to produce sperm. Most XXY males have some degree of language impairment as well. The syndrome is associated with an increased risk of breast cancer, pulmonary disease, varicose veins, and osteoporosis.
The condition was identified in 1942 by Dr. Harry Klinefelter in Boston. The cause was not found until the 1950s; the condition is incurable, but its symptoms can be treated in a number of ways, including testosterone treatment and other therapies.
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It was this last issue which was most cruelly utilized by her accusers: many eyewitnesses confirm that she was being subjected to attempted rape at the hands of the five English soldiers who served as her guards, for which reason she clung to the safety provided by the "laces and points" on her male clothing which allowed the pants and tunic to be securely fastened together. For this, she was accused of the sin of cross-dressing, although the Summa Theologica and other medieval theological works specifically grant an exemption in such cases of necessity.
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An example of a mutation in a gene responsible for hormone receptors is androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), also called testicular feminization. The receptor deficiency leads to the development of the internal genitalia of a male and the external genitalia of a female in an individual who is genotypically XY. Thus, people with androgen insensitivity syndrome look like females and self-identify as female, even though they have a Y chromosome. Since they are generally not aware of their condition until puberty, when they fail to menstruate, they see themselves and are experienced by others as female. Thus, their gender identity matches external sexual phenotype, but not genotype. Although this syndrome is relatively uncommon (about 1 in 4000 births), there are some well-known examples of individuals thought or known to have had AIS (e.g., Joan of Arc and Wallis Simpson, the woman for whom King Edward of England gave up his throne).
--------------------------------------------------A condition that could have been AIS was mentioned in the Talmud (400 BC). A speculation has been made that Joan of Arc (1412) might have had AIS. The same suggestion has been made with regard to Queen Elizabeth I, the 'Virgin Queen' (1533 - 1603).
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dorag 11-24-2004, 11:55 PM did she live long enough to even develop anything resembling sexuality?
yep.
January 6, 1412 - May 30, 1431)
Shelter 11-25-2004, 02:44 AM I see nothing to suggest she has anything resembling it, just a line that she was speculated to have it. I have no reason to believe anyones speculation, and find it hard to believe they could say anything like that with anything resembling certainty seeing as how she died 574 years ago and all
dorag 11-25-2004, 07:27 PM many modern people and historians who read the accusation and her behavior testemony from parents and relatives have overwheliming evidence to support her "transgenderness". she didnt mestruate for example, "she" was actually a more of a male from the sex organs (primary sexual characteristics) but had womenly secondary sexual characteristics. there even a entire book written by some1 proposing this theory about her sexual orientation.
Shelter 11-25-2004, 11:51 PM The fact she didnt menstrate means absolutely nothing more than one of several things. Her diet was wrong, she was underweight, she was just a very late puberty reacher, she did too much physical activity, and so on and so forth. There is a miriad of reasons why she could have not had a period, and is conclusive of nothiing. I am sure someone took the time to right a book about the possibility, as there is someone to take the time to write a book on any half baked theory, yet as I was saying, a bunch of half baked theories, are nothing more than guesses, as there is no way to say yes it is true for certain and are thus unfounded hearsay
general_motors 11-26-2004, 12:16 AM But in "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" Joan of Arc was hot!! She couldn't possibly be that much of a babe and still have a love truncheon swinging between her legs!!! :D:D
Criminal 11-26-2004, 10:27 AM was joan d'arc a bisexual. some historians claim so.
read this:
Klinefelter syndrome
A genetic condition in which a male has extra X chromosomes, thereby causing the development of female secondary sex characteristics. It is widely believed that Joan of Ark was a "Klinefelter male."
She may have been a lesbian in her orientation. But most biographers agree that she was a peasant girl, most probibly a virgin who may have been schizophrenic. In spite of her imballances she proved to be an effective military leader.
Dogberry 11-26-2004, 11:01 AM So she was a freak?
Good job we burned her/him/it. :D
dorag 11-26-2004, 11:05 AM ok, so you turn this around into saying that i advocate transgender bashing. :mad: .
dorag 11-26-2004, 11:07 AM The fact she didnt menstrate means absolutely nothing more than one of several things. Her diet was wrong, she was underweight, she was just a very late puberty reacher, she did too much physical activity, and so on and so forth. There is a miriad of reasons why she could have not had a period, and is conclusive of nothiing. I am sure someone took the time to right a book about the possibility, as there is someone to take the time to write a book on any half baked theory, yet as I was saying, a bunch of half baked theories, are nothing more than guesses, as there is no way to say yes it is true for certain and are thus unfounded hearsay
yeah, the guards who raped her? yeah...they didnt cause they were terrified that she had balls.
dorag 11-26-2004, 11:08 AM But in "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" Joan of Arc was hot!! She couldn't possibly be that much of a babe and still have a love truncheon swinging between her legs!!! :D:D
holywood lalaland. :nonono:
dorag 11-26-2004, 11:10 AM She may have been a lesbian in her orientation. But most biographers agree that she was a peasant girl, most probibly a virgin who may have been schizophrenic. In spite of her imballances she proved to be an effective military leader.
she was more of a morale booster. she didnt actually plan any milliatary tactics. she didnt kill enemy troops. yet she was indeed a very good leader in terms of encouragment and morale.
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