what do think is the boundaries of insest. i mean we all are technically relatives. so to what extent does the incest reach? is it only in the nuclear family, or a family, or a small tribe?

Simple it's incest if you do anything sexual with a relative. IMO anyways:)

Don't bang your cousin....


...unless she's really really hot...

Don't bang your cousin....


...unless she's really really hot...

damn, beat me to the post ...

there are distant relatives. its rather a cultural/moral question.

3rd cousins or greater would be acceptable, or any relation by marriage.

isnt the biblical norm 7 cousins?

isnt the biblical norm 7 cousins?

If you buy into Genesis it's shorter than that; just who did Cain and Adam fornicate with to begat humanity? Eve? Where did the other women come from? Or after the flood, there must've been some creepy incest happening to repopulate the Earth since all that was left was Noah and his family...

im talking about post-noah peroid.

there must've been some creepy incest happening to repopulate the Earth since all that was left was Noah and his family...

his "family" was a small tribe. the chance of birth defects is miniscule at that point.

If you buy into Genesis it's shorter than that; just who did Cain and Adam fornicate with to begat humanity? Eve? Where did the other women come from? Or after the flood, there must've been some creepy incest happening to repopulate the Earth since all that was left was Noah and his family...

dont forget that they had very little "passive genetic deficiences" that are required in two people to become active in the offspring.

his "family" was a small tribe. the chance of birth defects is miniscule at that point.

Gen. 7:7 "And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood."

Gen. 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

His family, not a "tribe."

Gen. 9:1 "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth."

:shrug: Noah, his wife, their sons and their wives.

At some point this "fruitful" multiplication would have led to close relatives gettin' jiggy.

I only add this in response to the assertion that the bible seems to indicate "7 cousins"...

how many people is his family again?
Gen. 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

i think that is a plenty of "genetic variety" as biologist would call it.

how many people is his family again?
Gen. 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

i think that is a plenty of "genetic variety" as biologist would call it.

Um, Shem, Ham and Japeth were the sons of Noah, giving 4 males all of the same genetic basis.

Gen 9:18-19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread."


Suppose Ham and his wife Sally get busy and have a son "Jebediah" as Shem and his wife Maude have a daughter Amy. You don't see any problems with Jeb, 20 years later, getting it on with Shem's daughter Amy? How many degrees of genetic separation are there between Amy and any other male, including male offspring of other parents?

Have you ever even seen Deliverance? :D

It's ok to screw a mom.
It is not ok to screw your mom.

Gen. 7:7 "And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood."

Gen. 7:13 "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

three wives. dont u tihnk thats enough

Im against it if it involves minors and if it involves having inbreed babies. for the rest I dont care.

you need you would hump your relative?

On an ark with paired off creatures it would be easy to spot a woman in the crowd.

you need you would hump your relative?I dont know. if I love her...but I have to say its really not somthing Id choose. a little too weird.

guys u know what.
i was thinking and then i remembered that in like around 400 AD the armenian church enacted a revised canon about insest. so im thinking was there already an insest canon and the church changed it? can u provide me with the usa(secular) and catholic/orthodox/oriental churches canons about insest?
im kinda intesrested

i guess there is still debate. so this is not a stupid question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_references_to_incest

Incest is sexual activity between close family members. It is a taboo in most societies and a criminal offence and an impediment to marriage in most countries, as well as being opposed by most modern religions. But the exact definition of what is a "close family member" varies widely: some jurisdictions consider only those related by birth, others also those related by adoption or marriage; some prohibit relations only with nuclear family members and ancestors or descendants, while others prohibit relations with aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces, and cousins as well.

According to the interpretation given to it by some anthropologists, it prohibits sexual relations between aunts and nephews but not between uncles and nieces.

In most of the Western world incest generally refers to forbidden sexual relations within the family. However, even here, definitions of family vary. Within the United States, marriage between (first) cousins is illegal in some states, but not in others, and sociologists have classified marriage laws in the United States into two categories. One, used mainly in southern states, in which the definitions of incest are taken from the Bible, and which frowns upon marriage within one's lineage but less so on one's blood relatives, and the other known which frowns more on marriage between blood relatives (such as cousins), but less on one's lineage. Many American states recognize two separate degrees of incest, the more serious degree covering the closest blood relationships such as father-daughter, mother-son and brother-sister, with the less-serious charge being pressed against more distantly-related individuals who engage in sexual intercourse, usually down to and including first cousins. Despite the strong stigma attached to incest, even the more serious charge is generally prosecuted as the least severely-punishable class of felony (in New York state, for example, the maximum penalty is four years in prison), and the less serious charge is usually only a misdemeanor (curiously, many incest laws do not expressly proscribe sexual conduct other than vaginal intercourse - such as oral sex - or, for that matter, any sexual activity between relatives of the same gender, so long as neither party is a minor). This legal position is in stark contrast with that in Australia, where incest is punishable by a maximum of 25 years imprisonment for the more serious form of penetrating a child (even if that child is over 18), and 5 years for the less serious charge of sexual penetration of a (half)brother or (half)sister.

In many areas of the Arab world and southern India, it is estimated that as many as 50% of marriages are between first cousins or even closer relatives (primarily uncle-niece couples). This is considered abnormal in northern India, however historically it has had very few health consequences.

Chinese society probably takes these restrictions the furthest, by banning relations between two individuals with the same surname, as they would theoretically be related. This is true in some communities in India too.

im confused.