Why are the people fighting the coallition called insurgents?

This obviously implies the often quoted mantra that they are from other countries. How do we know that, is there any proof?

The fact is that there was a seemless transition between the iraqi resistance to invasion and the fighting the country is currently experiencing. First we were told that the people attacking coalition troops were desparate Saddam supporters or fedayin, now they are 'insurgents'.

Can the average GI tell the difference between a shi-ite from iraq and a Shi-ite from iran or Jordan?

Or is it just a tale we are told to convince us that the iraqi's want us there and it is these nasty outsiders who dont?

If they are outsiders they seem to know iraq awfully well, and the population dont seem to be informing on them very much, in fact they appear to support them....................

This obviously implies the often quoted mantra that they are from other countries. How do we know that, is there any proof?



There is quite a bit of evidence that many of these insurgents are not from Iraq. There is quite a bit of evidence too that this resistance movement is directed by those people.

How does the term insurgents imply they are from other countries?

Wasn't it shown somewhere that 95% are Iraqi's?

And in that case, we are fighting and killing the same people we were supposed to liberate.. :nonono:

The U.S. military's own reports say only around 2%-4% are foreign fighters. Naturally the White House wants to play those numbers up as 'proof' somehow that the resistance is fomented from outside, and all Iraqis love us and our 'mission' to suck their oil wells dry, while privatizing the profits.

Summary: a Look at Insurgents in Fallujah

By The Associated Press
Published November 8, 2004, 1:06 PM CST

_ WHO ARE THEY?: The bulk of the defenders are believed to be Sunni Muslims from the Fallujah area, but they also include an unknown number of militants from other countries, including followers of Jordan terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It's unclear whether al-Zarqawi is still in the city; Sunni clerics insist he never was. His followers have been blamed for deadly bombings and the slayings of foreign hostages.

LINK (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-fallujah-insurgents-glance,1,1601014.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed)
I read a piece in our local newspaper that talked about how they came into the city and brought with them a lot of money to keep the locals happy. I'm sure many are locals and many more are Iraqi's..I'd like to know what number are foreign. But I wouldn't doubt if most of the money came from foreign sources

And in that case, we are fighting and killing the same people we were supposed to liberate.. :nonono:If all of the Iraqi's were living in peace and harmony then we wouldn't be there would we? Point I'm trying to make is we didn't go in there to liberate ALL the Iraq's..just those under the control of SH and the baathists. Those we are fighting now are leftovers from that evil regeme, foreigners who see opportunity, and religious factions that wish to increase their own power

The U.S. military's own reports say only around 2%-4% are foreign fighters. Naturally the White House wants to play those numbers up as 'proof' somehow that the resistance is fomented from outside, and all Iraqis love us and our 'mission' to suck their oil wells dry, while privatizing the profits.

Indeed.

Listening to CBC they quoted a Coallition Authority poll from Iraq prior to the Allawi Govt that said that 80% of Iraqi's viewed the US as Occupiers not liberators. Since that time I am sure that many have decided that the Americans are the enemy. Probably the young, impressionable teens for the most part and disenfranchised. People who simply want their country back. The US occupation is probably making the Saddam days seem even nostalgic for many. Days when the electricity worked there was clean drinking water and jobs. Its going to get worse not better. I hope I am wrong but I really doubt it.

Definition of Insurgent

An Insurgent is a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against a constituted authority. This can include any irregular armed force that rises up against an enforced or established authority, government, or administration. Insurgents conduct sabotage and harassment. Insurgents usually are in opposition to a civil authority or government primarily in the hope of improving their condition.

Political discourse

The term is inherently political and is difficult to use without taking a political position. When used by an authority under threat, insurgent infers an illegitimacy of cause upon those rising up. Whereas those rising up will see the authority itself as being illegitimate. In cases of rebellions, it refers to those who are not part of the decision-making entity that has the ability to make laws. For example, "the congress has the authority to pass laws to stop the insurgency" vs "the police have the power to arrest insurgents". Insurgents do not respect the established authority.

Mass media

In current use an insurgent is distinct from a terrorist as in "under threat from insurgents and terrorists". Insurgent has come into popular use during 2003 through its use by western politicians and mainstream media to describe those in resistance to the coalition in Iraq; As of 2004, the term is used to signify those that are in rebellion against the Iraq interim government. See Iraqi resistance for more on the Iraqi insurgents.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Insurgent

As slackr pointed out, Insurgents has nothing to do with people coming from another country, it just sounds like it does ;) It actually comes from the word insurgere, which means to rise up :)

Here end'th the english lession :)

hugs

lilnymph

Why are the people fighting the coallition called insurgents?

This obviously implies the often quoted mantra that they are from other countries. How do we know that, is there any proof?

The fact is that there was a seemless transition between the iraqi resistance to invasion and the fighting the country is currently experiencing. First we were told that the people attacking coalition troops were desparate Saddam supporters or fedayin, now they are 'insurgents'.

Can the average GI tell the difference between a shi-ite from iraq and a Shi-ite from iran or Jordan?

Or is it just a tale we are told to convince us that the iraqi's want us there and it is these nasty outsiders who dont?

If they are outsiders they seem to know iraq awfully well, and the population dont seem to be informing on them very much, in fact they appear to support them....................

I wish you could talk to my buddy. He said most of the people he killed over there that weren't Baathists were Syrian insurgents paid for with often times counterfeit dollars. As for how they know the difference, I'll have to get back with you on that one.