Seems a couple of rich liberal do-gooders are trying to pass a law that makes communities accept low income housing . They were on the ,pbs program'Now with Bill Moyers','I think the mans name is Moyers .'

Whats so sickening about these two elities ? They mean our hoods,not theirs ! I bet if a low income pauper even thought about moving in next door to these two hypocrits,[imo] they'd be ran off with elitist lobbyist nazis. Do you really think they live next door to 2 bedroom house with 30 latinos living in it ? Or some hell-raising drugies or drunks ? Maybe a voodoo witch-doctor who likes buildng fires to cook their goats ? Or some toothless tobacco spitting white cracker who just stepped off the turnip truck ? Hel No!!
But this is what they want for the rest of us !

The name of the woman was Blackwell and she is with some group called,' Policylinks .Also some guy name,Pastor, who wrote a book,'Common Uncommon Ground ' I think .

Anyoe know who is allowed to live in her hood ?

If you refer to the area in which you already live as a "hood" you're already in low income housing. Sell your property to the developers.

If you refer to the area in which you already live as a "hood" you're already in low income housing. Sell your property to the developers.


Thats hick 'shorthand' FYI . And I live in the woods and proud of it . :eek7:

So guess you have no opnion except to whine,huh? I hope you get swamped with paupers and they put a neon sign in your yard that advertises drugs,multi-birth pills and chewing tobacco. :nonono:

is generalizing and stereotyping your full time job or just a hobby you enjoy?

you do an awful lot of it so i'm wondering if you get paid for it or if its one of lifes pleasures for you.

i am going to say this though.

i live in a working middle class nieghborhood, and a few years ago some low income/section 8 housing was put in. since then the neighborhood has gone down, there is trash all over the place, the kids of the renters act like complete savages and for awhile there wasnt a day or a weekend that went by you didnt see the cops and an ambulance there. crime has gone up, the convenience store has been robbed more frequently, vandalism has gone up.

the neighborhood has gone to **** and what really bugs me the most is the apathy or the lack of motivation from people to fix the problems.

PM,you may s well accept the fact that you agree with me most of time, even if it's painful . :)

And we have just lost half our equity in a hood where Porta Ricans moved in . While dumb cowardly 'quilty' whites hid in fear. I was the first to welcome them them n-hood . Other wite suckers like me ,followed suit.Next thing we know they are putting a zoo in front yard and two 30 year old 8x10 campers filled with others. Like one of those little cars at the circus where all those clowns unload, you wonder how so many people can fit in them. They slaughter their animals and throw carcases in woods . All animals in small fence. Real estate person was taking pictures to show county,but was cussed and chased off in some foregn lango.

We worked on this place for years, planted,plowed,built with our two hands and money earned the old fashioned way[ we worked for it] ,put up fences,sheds,barns and beatuful landscape. Now our property value is cut in half .

By the way ,none of them work !!!! So tax paying suckers support them.

But at least I have the pleasure of knowing that others will soon be joining us ,if the lis have their way .

We have a law that any knew development must have an element of social housing. Personally I dont agree with it, but it doesnt seem to cause too many problems.

I once lived in a city where instead of grouping all the public housing in one suburb they spread it over all the suburbs. It means there are no "hoods" just nice suburbs with a realistic mix of people.

Guesswho, you bleat about elitists but you are the only one around here that I see acting like an elitist :not:

I live in a village which has a very broad mix, we have one or two criminals a cop (me) and various levels of wealth and employments.

Everyone pitches in OK and we keep the bad ones in line.

I live in a village which has a very broad mix, we have one or two criminals a cop (me) and various levels of wealth and employments.

Everyone pitches in OK and we keep the bad ones in line.

It takes a village :hmm:

:)

It takes a village :hmm:

:)The city I lived in that has public housing evenly distributed has a population close to half a million.

Anyoe know who is allowed to live in her hood ?
anyone. We aren't zoned or anything that I know of. My neighbor across the way speaks little english, but he's is a spanish church preacher. Guy next to him is latino also. Both very nice people. We have the "italion stallion" a few houses down, some white trash and some blacks. Good mix. None are bad. One of the black guys are the start of the street (it's a dead end, I'm at the end) has a landscaping business and used to keep his yard full of crap, but the city made him clean it and it looks relly nice now. Nice guy too, always waves :)

I live in a gated community. 24 hour security, (we have a lot of them). No crime, no trash, nice and quiet. Probably will not go that route when me move though, too many restrictions, and rules.

I live in a gated community. 24 hour security, (we have a lot of them). No crime, no trash, nice and quiet. Probably will not go that route when me move though, too many restrictions, and rules.
I hate gated communities, and not just because they're a pain in the ass to deliver packages to.:|

like I said ,not one person in my n-hood complained about them but in fact welcomed them . After they got land cleared came the two old campers and animals and more family members. Then structures were put up from scrap materials right out front . When we said it was against restrictions and they needed to obey,they screamed prejudice and contitutional rights . As soon as property values went down they bought another piece of land and moved campers,bulldogs in. So now we have them in front and back of community.

I see not one of you mentioned the fact they DON'T WORK . The aniaml shed is near road and looks like slums in third world .

And all you here who defend people who come to this nation and live like they are still in third world must either be personally involved or you live like they do. This is why most Americans want control to keep the un-grateful out by closing borders. Most don't come here to join but to takeover and live off resourses.

They have changed my mind about aliens . This is what causes 'prejudice'. It's not prejudice,but self survival and defending your assets . The nes hre have no self respect at all or pride . They prove this when they delibertly live like filthy trash .

Putting all the low cost housing in one place creates ghettos which is something I don't support. I would also say that those who get these houses must have no criminal record or at least have no record within the last 10 years, they must be capable of living in harmony with others which is the basis for a real community anyway.

Putting all the low cost housing in one place creates ghettos which is something I don't support. I would also say that those who get these houses must have no criminal record or at least have no record within the last 10 years, they must be capable of living in harmony with others which is the basis for a real community anyway.




If they came here and tried to live and assimilate, no problem . But they come here and want to lve like they are still in third world slums . Why leave unless to improve your lifestyle ? Why not work and take pride in your home? Why get drunk and raise hel all night when some do have to work to pay taxs that feed you ?

But most of all why move in and do all you can to make enemys by robbing your community of it's values ?

One of long time residents here has cancer and wanted to borrow money on equity to go to famous clinic. But property that just 18 months ago that was worth couple hundred thousand, is now worth less than what they paid for it decades ago . Less than half it's value. So if she dies from lack of resources to fight, than is this because of being robbed by the trash down the road ? Or should her and hubby just suck it up and be 'TOLERANT'?

Homeowners' associations are the devil.

And they are unconstitutional, although they do follow the spirit of the Constitution quite nicely, i.e. white land-owners calling all the shots.

Homeowners' associations are the devil.

And they are unconstitutional, although they do follow the spirit of the Constitution quite nicely, i.e. white land-owners calling all the shots.


White people don't stop minority progress, but liberal socialist do . We don't make you think your a hopeless victim,but socialist do to get your votes . White people are the only people on earth who abolished slavery!! The muslims your so quick to defend stillenslave blacks in Africa. The same black muslims who sold whites the slaves to begin with, along with other black SLAVE MASTERS! So read an weep.

And the constitution is something YOU SHOULD READ, since it's obvious ou know nothing about it what-so-ever .Maybe you sould also read the 'Declaration of Independance too while your at it. Both agree with liberty,justice and right to own property and not be invaded by alians who diminish these rights OR VALUES .

The right to associaton s in there too . If I want to live in community where restrictions are held than I have that right . It's called right to associate . If I "CHOOSE " to give up some of the rights in my private community,I have a right to do so.

The woods is not a community.

I don't care what a person agrees to; you can't "forfeit" your property rights by signing a contract any more than I can forfeit my 1st amendment rights and expect a police officer to arrest me for saying something I don't like.

People have the right to do whatever they want with their property; homeowners' associations impede that right. They represent the resurgence of tribal feudalism in the coming capitalist anarchy.

The woods is not a community.


Keep skinning your ignorance,since you have no logical argument.

Seems a couple of rich liberal do-gooders are trying to pass a law that makes communities accept low income housing .

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Whats so sickening about these two elities ? They mean our hoods,not theirs !
Again, the woods is not a neighborhood.
And I live in the woods and proud of it .
See above.

I hope you get swamped with paupers and they put a neon sign in your yard that advertises drugs,multi-birth pills and chewing tobacco.
Because that's been known to happen, right? Illegal aliens move into a rural area, refuse to work, then put up big neon signs advertising illegal drugs, illegal perscription drugs, and chewing tobbacco. It happens all the time around here.


By the way ,none of them work !!!! So tax paying suckers support them.

You know this for a fact? You know they're on welfare or SSI? What did you do, ask them? Was it when you charged up to them, on their property, and informed them that your neighborhood has certain rules?
like I said ,not one person in my n-hood complained about them but in fact welcomed them . After they got land cleared came the two old campers and animals and more family members. Then structures were put up from scrap materials right out front . When we said it was against restrictions and they needed to obey,they screamed prejudice and contitutional rights .
Zoning laws. You people need to contact your county seat and have the zoning laws enforced.
Keep skinning your ignorance,since you have no logical argument.
I will, since your neon sign argument, your the woods is a neighborhood argument, and you they don't work argument are all totally valid. :rolleyes:

It takes a village :hmm:

:)



No Spabby,it takes a family ,a mother and father ,aunts,uncles and grandparents is what it takes, not a bunch of governemnt leaders or communitiy leaders who think they know whats best for our children. And it takes a man and woman ,not two perverts of same sex.

This kind of logic is why our kids are in such trouble. They are propergated like plants by our sociaty . Put in community 'nurseries' to be raised by strangers from time of birth onwards. I don't blame this generaion of parents for beleiving this lie told to them by the promters of corporate greed and perversion,but I will despute it. They make thrillions off the filth and violent entertainment they feed these kids . They convince mothers to medicate thier kids for the socialist teachers and day-care providers. All in the name of commpassion. I hope you wake up to the truth ,because I think your basically a kind person,decieved but kid and eaning well .

Look at where mostof the money goes. To liberal elites in entertainment and hollyhoods.

Again, the woods is not a neighborhood.

See above.

Because that's been known to happen, right? Illegal aliens move into a rural area, refuse to work, then put up big neon signs advertising illegal drugs, illegal perscription drugs, and chewing tobbacco. It happens all the time around here.


You know this for a fact? You know they're on welfare or SSI? What did you do, ask them? Was it when you charged up to them, on their property, and informed them that your neighborhood has certain rules?

Zoning laws. You people need to contact your county seat and have the zoning laws enforced.

I will, since your neon sign argument, your the woods is a neighborhood argument, and you they don't work argument are all totally valid. :rolleyes:


Neon sign was sarcastic kidding,but since your probly one of these people I speak of,I will ignor you. Don't you have a cardboard shed to erect somewhere ? And if these people are living off inheritance,they sure hide it well.

Neon sign was sarcastic kidding,but since your probly one of these people I speak of,I will ignor you. Don't you have a cardboard shed to erect somewhere ? And if these people are living off inheritance,they sure hide it well.
It's probably best if you do ignore me. I can't really compete with your down on the farm education and rural segregation ignorance. It's too bad I haven't traveled throughout my home county as much as you have yours, otherwise I'd know how different people live. It's probably common knowledge that the folks in the holler neighborhood live different than the folks in the farm neighborhood. Them holler folk ain't no good, I tell ya. :mad:

It's probably best if you do ignore me. I can't really compete with your down on the farm education and rural segregation ignorance. It's too bad I haven't traveled throughout my home county as much as you have yours, otherwise I'd know how different people live. It's probably common knowledge that the folks in the holler neighborhood live different than the folks in the farm neighborhood. Them holler folk ain't no good, I tell ya. :mad:

Shut your Puerto Rican ass up!

Shut your Puerto Rican ass up!
I will, but only because I have to go build an addition on my cardboard hut right now. I've got family coming illegally tonight. :hmm:

Shut your Puerto Rican ass up!

I'll second this

:nice: !

Even if it drips with sarcasm,but since I'm outnumbered I'll take what I can get .

Drunk, you really ought to think about what you reply. :confused: .

Of course we can live in a community of our choosing . We can also have private clubs and rights to association . But it is dwindling thanks to commys who have invaded while the sheep sleep.

No Spabby,it takes a family ,a mother and father ,aunts,uncles and grandparents is what it takes, not a bunch of governemnt leaders or communitiy leaders who think they know whats best for our children. And it takes a man and woman ,not two perverts of same sex.

This kind of logic is why our kids are in such trouble. They are propergated like plants by our sociaty . Put in community 'nurseries' to be raised by strangers from time of birth onwards. I don't blame this generaion of parents for beleiving this lie told to them by the promters of corporate greed and perversion,but I will despute it. They make thrillions off the filth and violent entertainment they feed these kids . They convince mothers to medicate thier kids for the socialist teachers and day-care providers. All in the name of commpassion. I hope you wake up to the truth ,because I think your basically a kind person,decieved but kid and eaning well .

Look at where mostof the money goes. To liberal elites in entertainment and hollyhoods.

Is there some connotation of the word 'village' of which I have previously been unaware that bought this illiterate attack?

Shut your Puerto Rican ass up!


Also, I guess you think that private organizations, like the NAACP are un-constitutional too ? It's not,but I bet a NAAWP would be fought . I do agree that alot of organizations are illegal under constitutional laws. Like the group,RAZA and the PRIDE and Rainbow groups that are not under law,because they break laws just by being who they are. Plus advancing a group on race is racest and against the lwas ,but yet I hear no complaints from you here. Keeping students out of good schools to meet agendas of race is racest pure and simple.

Is there some connotation of the word 'village' of which I have previously been unaware that bought this illiterate attack?


This was in reply to Spabby. And yes it does fit in with this debate. N-hoods are villages.

Is there some connotation of the word 'village' of which I have previously been unaware that bought this illiterate attack?


the village did'nt raise my kids and they are well adjusted citizens. I had plenty of eduction to fullfil my job as mother and grandmother. They never had to be medicated ,they had me, not the village. They also had a good stepfather and grabdpaw . Of course now grandkids are all teensagers and in high school and colledge,but also well adjusted . Not because the neighbors or county raised them,but because we did.But two of my grandkids are raised by my daughter who always worked and they are the most rebelluos. But they did have m and my other daughter helping them .

the village did'nt raise my kids and they are well adjusted citizens. I had plenty of eduction to fullfil my job as mother and grandmother. They never had to be medicated ,they had me, not the village. They also had a good stepfather and grabdpaw . Of course now grandkids are all teensagers and in high school and colledge,but also well adjusted . Not because the neighbors or county raised them,but because we did.But two of my grandkids are raised by my daughter who always worked and they are the most rebelluos. But they did have m and my other daughter helping them .

The place where i live, which is a village, as mentioned in my previous post has all types of people and functions very well because of it.

What does you post have to do with the subject of neighoubrhood segregation? I dont think for one minute that spab was attacking family values.

The place where i live, which is a village, as mentioned in my previous post has all types of people and functions very well because of it.

What does you post have to do with the subject of neighoubrhood segregation? I dont think for one minute that spab was attacking family values.


You people try to pretend your so smart,yet you ust be living in caves . Spabby was speaking of the saying,'It takes a vllage to raise a child '. Same dumb liberal thing that ugly hillery said . Aand I don't care if your parents are too disconnnected to raise you or not . I uess if you have liberal parents you will be raised by the village. Village idiots.

The place where i live, which is a village, as mentioned in my previous post has all types of people and functions very well because of it.

What does you post have to do with the subject of neighoubrhood segregation? I dont think for one minute that spab was attacking family values.


You are trying to make this out to be a race thing ,it's not. It's a social,cultural issue. Do you and your neighbors respect each others property ? Did you pay for it with your own labor or did the governemnt hand it to you ? Do you like passing a slum everytime you leave your driveway ? Then you should move to third world. Do you wear rags ? Are you filthy ? Is your yard full of fecal matter and urine from hundreds of animals in small fenced area ? Animals who are always fighting each other because of cramped spaces .

no one here lived like this until the trash moved in . They could have put all this crap in the back instead of right out front. They did this to delibertly run down values so they can take over n-hood for nothing and turen it into slums,like they did in Miami and Calafornia and other parts of this nation . While white,black and decent6 latino fools sat back and took the robbing of their assets they worked their azzs off for . The whites, latinos and cubans,asians,blacks are getting sick of it . And some are acting out,but some are slow to learn and keep electing liberals who hate property ownership anyway.

You people try to pretend your so smart,yet you ust be living in caves . Spabby was speaking of the saying,'It takes a vllage to raise a child '. Same dumb liberal thing that ugly hillery said . Aand I don't care if your parents are too disconnnected to raise you or not . I uess if you have liberal parents you will be raised by the village. Village idiots.

Never heard of that saying.

What do you mean by 'you people' exactly what sort of person am I? The rest of your post is i am afraid the usual incomprehensible gibberish.

You are trying to make this out to be a race thing ,

Not really, it was your previous comments to DHM which did that.

it's not. It's a social,cultural issue. Do you and your neighbors respect each others property ? Did you pay for it with your own labor or did the governemnt hand it to you ? Do you like passing a slum everytime you leave your driveway ? Then you should move to third world. Do you wear rags ? Are you filthy ? Is your yard full of fecal matter and urine from hundreds of animals in small fenced area ? Animals who are always fighting each other because of cramped spaces .

Ummm no.


no one here lived like this until the trash moved in . They could have put all this crap in the back instead of right out front. They did this to delibertly run down values so they can take over n-hood for nothing and turen it into slums,like they did in Miami and Calafornia and other parts of this nation . While white,black and decent6 latino fools sat back and took the robbing of their assets they worked their azzs off for . The whites, latinos and cubans,asians,blacks are getting sick of it . And some are acting out,but some are slow to learn and keep electing liberals who hate property ownership anyway.

Like i said in my first post, I dont agree with enforcing poor housing in middle class areas. Just pointing out that in my village which is over 1,000 years old it has worked quite well.

I believe that all low-income housing should ONLY be placed in rich & upper middle class areas. That will drive the elites back into the cities and when that happens--presto!--you'll start to see federal and state governments "discover' funds for urban renewal.

I believe that all low-income housing should ONLY be placed in rich & upper middle class areas. That will drive the elites back into the cities and when that happens--presto!--you'll start to see federal and state governments "discover' funds for urban renewal.

Devious ! I like the scheme :D

Who is right that I simply took your 'village' and commented that it reminded me of Hillary's rather infamous statement "It takes a village to raise a child."

Actually I wasn't commenting one way or the other, but I will now.

First, I think it's really cool that you live in a village. :) I suppose my town might be similar, but by town here we mean small rural communities. Is that the same as your village?

Second, I agree with who that traditional families who pay attention to children they bring into the world are probably the best way to raise children, but I disagree with who that a married man and woman isn't necessarily any better in some situations. A single mother who works, but puts her child first is better for the child imho than a married couple in which both parents put their careers and themselves before their children. That's how you get little boys building bombs in their garage unbeknownst to their parent's in that $500,000 house (ref. Columbine).

As far as whether it takes a village, I think the American society of the 40s 50s and 60s in which people moved around less and knew their neighbors and watched out for each other's children was far preferable to the greedy grasping mememe mobile money-oriented society we have now.

I don't think one NEEDS a village to raise kids, but I think it's much nicer that way and passes along a culture of social conscience.

Who is right that I simply took your 'village' and commented that it reminded me of Hillary's rather infamous statement "It takes a village to raise a child."

Actually I wasn't commenting one way or the other, but I will now.

First, I think it's really cool that you live in a village. :) I suppose my town might be similar, but by town here we mean small rural communities. Is that the same as your village?

A village is smaller than a town. A village typically has a church, a shop and a small school. There is also a hamlet, which is just a few houses, and yes it's rural. :)

Second, I agree with who that traditional families who pay attention to children they bring into the world are probably the best way to raise children, but I disagree with who that a married man and woman isn't necessarily any better in some situations. A single mother who works, but puts her child first is better for the child imho than a married couple in which both parents put their careers and themselves before their children. That's how you get little boys building bombs in their garage unbeknownst to their parent's in that $500,000 house (ref. Columbine).

As far as whether it takes a village, I think the American society of the 40s 50s and 60s in which people moved around less and knew their neighbors and watched out for each other's children was far preferable to the greedy grasping mememe mobile money-oriented society we have now.

I don't think one NEEDS a village to raise kids, but I think it's much nicer that way and passes along a culture of social conscience.

Most criminals i meet are from houses where the parents dont give a ****. Whether they are married or not, seems to make little difference.

Thx dogberry, I was curious. :)

Who is right that I simply took your 'village' and commented that it reminded me of Hillary's rather infamous statement "It takes a village to raise a child."

Actually I wasn't commenting one way or the other, but I will now.

First, I think it's really cool that you live in a village. :) I suppose my town might be similar, but by town here we mean small rural communities. Is that the same as your village?

Second, I agree with who that traditional families who pay attention to children they bring into the world are probably the best way to raise children, but I disagree with who that a married man and woman isn't necessarily any better in some situations. A single mother who works, but puts her child first is better for the child imho than a married couple in which both parents put their careers and themselves before their children. That's how you get little boys building bombs in their garage unbeknownst to their parent's in that $500,000 house (ref. Columbine).

As far as whether it takes a village, I think the American society of the 40s 50s and 60s in which people moved around less and knew their neighbors and watched out for each other's children was far preferable to the greedy grasping mememe mobile money-oriented society we have now.

I don't think one NEEDS a village to raise kids, but I think it's much nicer that way and passes along a culture of social conscience.


I mis-understood your reply,Spabby. And this is the conservative caring Spabby that i know and care for. So we agree again. :)

And your right that if two parents care more for finaces than for kids, kid is better off with single mom who has to work. It's not the parents fault now-a-days that they both have to work, it's what the greedy of this nation did to them.

It is getting very bad now for working people. I hear US Postal Ser. is no making employees work over-time for nothing, don't know if true, but not surprised if it is. Also gov wants to put meters on well water .We already pay for pump and electric to run them. They will add several hundred dollars to property tax if you cover well. We don't cover ours. Just plant around it. Of course all this un-constitutional.

We often do agree in many ways, wholet :cool:

I had faith in you on this issue. I knew what you meant. I think both of us also share the trait of being vastly misunderstood on a regular basis. :)

We often do agree in many ways, wholet :cool:

I had faith in you on this issue. I knew what you meant. I think both of us also share the trait of being vastly misunderstood on a regular basis. :)


You got that right! :confused:

Sometimes if you half way dissagree with some,your all the phobics and bigots conbined .In my case that is. :nice: