Three Frenchmen have died fighting with insurgents against US-led troops in Iraq, reports say.

The men, all of Arab origin, were killed in the country over recent months as the insurgency has flared.

Two of the men were aged 19 and the third was 24 years old, a French official said.

Authorities estimate that around a dozen Frenchmen of North African or Arab background have travelled to Iraq to join the insurgency.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4023021.stm

maybe they were foreign legonaires? Or maybe they had fake passports. Yea, thats it. American CIA planted fake passports.

You dirty amerikans,always trying to trick us.

I don't see what your point is, there's been at least two Americans that I've known of fighting against us since we invaded Afganistan. It seems you're using this to condemn the french when it is nobody but the individuals who should be held responsible.

It seems you're using this to condemn the french when it is nobody but the individuals who should be held responsible.

And so much for the fighting French spirit.
:hmm:


They do cook a mean snail though, don't they?

And so much for the fighting French spirit.
:hmm:


They do cook a mean snail though, don't they?
seems some just have NO sense of humor

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I've got plenty of sense of humor, I don't see how joking about two french men who have decided to fight against the U.S. is funny.

Arabs or Muslims from quite a few western countries including the US and Britain have fought against US lead forces in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Why are you posting this really? You seem to post at least one or two anti-French posts a month; did a French guy take your parking place once or something? Been dumped by a French girlfriend?

You just need a better sense of humor, Myrddin. :eek:

seems some just have NO sense of humor

Can't agree more ...

Arabs or Muslims from quite a few western countries including the US and Britain have fought against US lead forces in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Why are you posting this really? You seem to post at least one or two anti-French posts a month; did a French guy take your parking place once or something? Been dumped by a French girlfriend?
Oh b.s. Care to back that up please. 1 or 2 a month.
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Oh b.s. Care to back that up please. 1 or 2 a month.
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here
(http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64637&highlight=french)
here (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?p=838955#post838955)

and

here (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65000&highlight=french)

not including this thread.

There are worse offenders than you though, but the posting style of a lot of right wingers is quite similar.

Arabs or Muslims from quite a few western countries including the US and Britain have fought against US lead forces in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Why are you posting this really? You seem to post at least one or two anti-French posts a month; did a French guy take your parking place once or something? Been dumped by a French girlfriend?

Maybe its the French Kissing thing that has Cyllon upset. Not getting any there Cyllon ;) BTW I do appreciate your opinions in a number of areas but Myrddin is correct Cyllon you do have a thing for the French. The only thing I can see in the past that may have caused it is their lack of support for the debacle in Iraq.

Maybe its the French Kissing thing that has Cyllon upset. Not getting any there Cyllon ;) BTW I do appreciate your opinions in a number of areas but Myrddin is correct Cyllon you do have a thing for the French. The only thing I can see in the past that may have caused it is their lack of support for the debacle in Iraq.


That's what's baffling, the reasons for war were fabrications, it was predicted that it would become a giant cluster**** and it has, yet France gets constantly assailed for not going along with us?


Makes you wonder..

That's what's baffling, the reasons for war were fabrications, it was predicted that it would become a giant cluster**** and it has, yet France gets constantly assailed for not going along with us?


Makes you wonder..

France gets assailed for taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes to go against it.

France gets assailed for taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes to go against it.


And you have proof of this?

What about the American corporations involved in this?

Maybe they did the 5 minutes of research it took to see for themselves that the whole case for war was BS, all bribes aside..

And you have proof of this?

What about the American corporations involved in this?

Maybe they did the 5 minutes of research it took to see for themselves that the whole case for war was BS, all bribes aside..

Have you not been paying attention? Russia, France, Germany, and China. Oil for food scandal.

Have you not been paying attention? Russia, France, Germany, and China. Oil for food scandal.
And the populations in these so called bribed countries were pro-war you say?

If these governments hadn't been bribed they would have backed the war and everybody in their countries would have been happy?

And the populations in these so called bribed countries were pro-war you say?

Did I say that?


If these governments hadn't been bribed they would have backed the war and everybody in their countries would have been happy?

The fact that they have been bribed is reason enough to take issue. I need delve into their reasons no deeper than that.

Did I say that?

Then you agree than the unbribed citizens of these countries backed their governments stance on the war.


The fact that they have been bribed is reason enough to take issue. I need delve into their reasons no deeper than that.
They weren't bribed; some companies from their countries are alleged have been involved in underhand dealings, nothing more. I could make similar comments about lobbyists to and supporters of the Bush administration who made profits from the invasion. Was Bush bribed to go to war?

here
(http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64637&highlight=french)
here (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?p=838955#post838955)

and

here (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65000&highlight=french)

not including this thread.

There are worse offenders than you though, but the posting style of a lot of right wingers is quite similar.Since when did china and russia become french colonies?????/

Anothere is about Al-Dura not france. Just because france gets mentioned hardly makes it anti french.

Did it ever ocur to you that france appears in these becasue THEY have a problem? Or is it anti france to point out their coruption.


p.s. The last 2 months would have been far more acureate but even that is questionable.

Maybe its the French Kissing thing that has Cyllon upset. Not getting any there Cyllon ;) BTW I do appreciate your opinions in a number of areas but Myrddin is correct Cyllon you do have a thing for the French. The only thing I can see in the past that may have caused it is their lack of support for the debacle in Iraq.
No I have no desire to kiss men the french way....If you get my drify. :p ;)

I have always disliked the french. I have no problem admitting to it either. The frogs have always been back stabbers.

That's what's baffling, the reasons for war were fabrications, it was predicted that it would become a giant cluster**** and it has, yet France gets constantly assailed for not going along with us?


Makes you wonder..
1 False.Been there proven that. I does not equal all.

2 its hardly that yet. Havent been ther long enough.

3wrong. They got rightfully blasted for blatant violations of their precious u.n. and the clear hypocricy of being bribbed silly.

Then you agree than the unbribed citizens of these countries backed their governments stance on the war.


They weren't bribed; some companies from their countries are alleged have been involved in underhand dealings, nothing more. I could make similar comments about lobbyists to and supporters of the Bush administration who made profits from the invasion. Was Bush bribed to go to war?
Wrong. Through the u.n. It was government santioned via the u.n.

Senator Norm Coleman, Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations,still has his eye on the u.n. oil for food scam that is being hidden as is clear by the press lack of coverage.
Senator Coleman, along with Carl Levin, the ranking Democrat on the subcommittee, has written a letter to Kofi Annan protesting the U.N.'s efforts to block the subcommittee's investigation into that organization's corrupt practices.

As you know, there are allegations of misconduct and mismanagement by the U.N. and/or its agents, including allegations of bribery, conflict of interest and fraud. The recently published report by Charles Duelfer...revealed additional evidence that Benon Sevan, Executive Director of the U.N. Office of the Iraq program, may have received oil allocations from the government of Iraq. Accordingly, these allegations have raised serious questions concerning the management of the U.N. OFF program and the U.N.'s capacity to enforce a similar sanctions regime in the future.

In light of those concerns, we requested your consent to interview key U.N. personnel and review related documents.... In your response of September 29th, you declined to produce the requested documents and U.N. personnel.

We are troubled by your response for a number of reasons...
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/110904_un_off.pdf

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"The extent of the corruption is staggering," Sen. Norm Coleman told me. He is a freshman Republican from Minnesota completing his second year in Washington, and he was talking about the United Nations and its pious secretary general, Kofi Annan. Coleman's comments are not the mere musings of an insignificant rookie senator, but the considered judgment of a committee chairman whose careful investigation reached the hearing stage Monday.

He now is conducting what could be the most explosive congressional investigation in years, probing the UN's fraudulent oil-for-food program in Iraq and Annan's obstruction of the senatorial inquiry.

Coleman said this week's hearings will show that "the scope of the rip-off" at the UN is "substantially more" than the widely reported $10 billion to $11 billion in graft. But more than money is involved. These hearings also should expose the arrogance of the secretary general and his bureaucracy. At the same time that he has refused to honor the Senate committee's request for documents, Annan has inveighed against the Fallujah offensive sanctioned by the new Iraqi government while ignoring the terrorism of insurgents. This is an unprecedented showdown between a branch of the U.S. government and the United Nations.
As the pressure built on Annan, on April 16 he named former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker to conduct an "independent" investigation. This has been construed on Capitol Hill as a ploy to stave off any serious congressional inquiry. Nobody questions Volcker's integrity, but his political skills have always been suspect. His Independent Inquiry Committee, off to a slow start because of inadequate funding, in the absence of subpoena powers looks like a sham.
What's more, Coleman has been joined in rare bipartisan cooperation by the subcommittee's fiercely liberal ranking Democrat, Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan. Coleman sent Levin a draft of a tough letter to Annan, and Levin -- after making a few edits -- signed it. The bipartisan letter demanded access to UN internal audits and key UN personnel. It also accused the Volcker committee of "affirmatively preventing the subcommittee" from investigating the scandal. A major point of dispute is the UN's flat refusal to permit Lloyd's Register, hired by the UN to inspect Iraq's oil-for-food transactions, to provide any documents to the Senate.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...n20041115.shtml


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The amount of bribery skimming is double what they thought.
Officials Double Saddam's Oil-for-Food Theft
Monday, November 15, 2004

Associated press;

WASHINGTON — Saddam Hussein's (search) regime made more than $21.3 billion in illegal revenue by subverting the U.N. Oil-for-Food program and other sanctions — more than double previous estimates, according to congressional investigators.

"This is like an onion — we just keep uncovering more layers and more layers," said Sen. Norm Coleman (search), R-Minn., whose Senate Committee on Government Affairs received the new information at a hearing on Monday.

New figures on Iraq's alleged surcharges, kickbacks — and oil-smuggling dating back to 1991 — are based on troves of new documents obtained by the committee's investigative panel, Coleman told reporters before the hearing. The documents illustrate how Iraqi officials, foreign companies and sometimes politicians allegedly contrived to allow the Iraqi government vast illicit gains.

The findings also reflect a growing understanding by investigators of the intricate schemes Saddam used to buy support abroad for a move to lift U.N. sanctions.
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/colum...t/?id=110005904

In the spirit of shooting the messenger, Mr. Annan has complained often in recent months about criticism of Oil for Food, denouncing it as a "campaign" that has "hurt the U.N." Monday's Oil for Food hearing evoked from Mr. Annan's spokesman, Fred Eckhard, the comment that Mr. Annan feels he has been "misjudged by certain media" and that Mr. Annan is "not being obstructionist" in his refusal to cooperate with congressional investigators. We are given to understand that Mr. Annan would help if he could, but his job entails so many over-riding responsibilities.

OK, except that when it comes to Oil for Food, Mr. Annan has labored hard in recent months to disavow his own large role and responsibilities. From both Mr. Annan and the entourage of U.N. speechwriters and spokesman who report to him have come a long series of disclaimers and protests, eye-catching less for what they tell us than for what they leave out.

Just last week, we had Mr. Annan's director of communications, Edward Mortimer, asserting in a letter to The Wall Street Journal that Mr. Annan was "not involved" in designing Oil for Food. Technically, it may be correct that Mr. Annan did not actually seal the original deal. But Mr. Annan's own official U.N. biography states that before becoming secretary-general, he "led the first United Nations team negotiating with Iraq on the sale of oil to fund purchases of humanitarian aid"--and that implies a certain familiarity with the origins of Oil for Food.
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Probe: Oil-for-Food Money Went to Palestinian Bombers' Families
Wednesday, November 17, 2004

WASHINGTON — Money from the United Nations Oil-for-Food program helped pay the families of Palestinian homicide bombers, the House Committee on International

Relations is expected to reveal Wednesday during a hearing on corruption in the Iraqi relief program.

Investigators working for Illinois Republican Rep. Henry Hyde, chairman of the panel, are expected to say they have traced funds from former Iraqi President Saddam

Hussein's kickback scheme through a Jordanian bank and into the hands of families of bombers who attacked Israeli citizens.

It has long been established that Saddam paid bounties of $15,000 to $25,000 to the Palestinian families of the murderers. Hyde's committee will reveal at the hearing that

some of the reward money was deposited from illegal profits Saddam made by demanding 10 percent kickbacks on all the contracts of companies that did business with the

U.N.'s Oil-for-Food program.

Those funds were then deposited with other Iraqi money, such as Jordanian Oil-for-Food oil payments, into the Central Bank of Iraq account in the Rafidain Bank in

Amman, Jordan. The funds were then transferred to another account in the bank controlled by Iraq's ambassador to Jordan Sabah Yaseen . It was from Yaseen's account

that Saddam's officials would cut and hand out checks to the homicide bombers' families, Hyde's investigators are expected to say.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune...s/s_273762.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138759,00.html
And this news is getting the same reception i germany and europe as it is hear. No one wants to talk about their complacency.

http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blo...gy_to_the_.html

It's evident that Cy meant this thread to be a vicious slur on the French. And once he was rightly face-slapped for it, he tried to save face and pass it off as a joke.

Nothing could be more transparent.

It's evident that Cy meant this thread to be a vicious slur on the French. And once he was rightly face-slapped for it, he tried to save face and pass it off as a joke.

Nothing could be more transparent.
Yea...right. Anything not nice about the frog is a slur.

{now thats a shot**.

[QUOTE=CYLLON]Three Frenchmen have died fighting with insurgents against US-led troops in Iraq, reports say.

The men, all of Arab origin, were killed in the country over recent months as the insurgency has flared.

Two of the men were aged 19 and the third was 24 years old, a French official said.

Authorities estimate that around a dozen Frenchmen of North African or Arab background have travelled to Iraq to join the insurgency.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4023021.stm

Evens out with the French kicking the shht out of the Ivory Coast airforce, I suppose.

You called them frogs. That says it all.

i have before many times. Your point?

p.s. Man you are easy

Your point?

You asked....you are a common bigot.