President Shirac interviewed on the BBC.

I saw a report on Fox which stated that France pledged to Powell at the UN that it would support the invasion but then voted against it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4018325.stm

Chirac questions US-led Iraq war

Chirac says Britain's support for the war has brought few dividends
French President Jacques Chirac says he is "not at all sure" the world has become safer with the removal from power of Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein.
In a BBC interview Mr Chirac suggests the situation in Iraq has helped to prompt an increase in terrorism.

The interview for BBC Two's Newsnight on Wednesday comes ahead of President Chirac's visit to Britain this week.

President Chirac also maintains that any intervention in Iraq should have been through the United Nations.


There's no doubt that there has been an increase in terrorism and one of the origins of that has been the situation in Iraq

French President Jacques Chirac

"To a certain extent Saddam Hussein's departure was a positive thing, " Mr Chirac says when asked if the world is safer now as US President George W Bush has repeatedly stated.

"But it also provoked reactions, such as the mobilisation in a number of countries, of men and women of Islam, which has made the world more dangerous," Mr Chirac says.

"There's no doubt that there has been an increase in terrorism and one of the origins of that has been the situation in Iraq.

"I'm not at all sure that one can say that the world is safer," President Chirac says.

He also signals that be believes Britain's support for the US-led war has brought few dividends.

The signs are that he and British Prime Minister Tony Blair will again at best agree to disagree on the Iraq war, says the BBC World Affairs correspondent, Mike Wooldridge.

You can see the interview with President Chirac on Newsnight on BBC Two at 2230 GMT on Wednesday 17 November

Britian gained nothing by helping the US invade Iraq and Blair has had nothing but political grief at home over his unpopular decision and has alienated himself from other European leaders. Of coarse the World is more unsafe, we don't need Chirac to tell us that.

I saw a report on Fox which stated that France pledged to Powell at the UN that it would support the invasion but then voted against it.

Lol...Good ole fox, fair and balanced as e'er ... *snorts*

The world has never been or will be safe. With or without the invasion of Iraq.

Myrddin is right. :|

The world has never been or will be safe. With or without the invasion of Iraq.

yeah .
so the difference is "just" 16k+ deaths ...

Americans don't care as long as you keep lowering their taxes and let them keep their big guns.

Iraq is more dangerous. The rest of the world is no more dangerous than it was before.

Chirac is just angry that we removed his golden goose from power.
France is so deep in the oil for food scandal, i dont know how anyone can take what Chriac says about matters concerning iraq seriously.
It is so bloody obvious why france opposed the invasion of iraq.

"France has usually been governed by prostitutes.".. Mark Twain, being right.

Americans don't care as long as you keep lowering their taxes and let them keep their big guns.

Speak for yourself. :rolleyes:

yeah .
so the difference is "just" 16k+ deaths ...

Why not use the holocaust as an example? Communist Russia?

Victims of terrorism? People who died in 9/11, WTC 93 attack, the attack on Israeli atheletes in the '72 Olympics in Sarajevo, suicide bombings in Isreal?

The world has been unsafe before the war in Iraq, it will continue to be unsafe long after the war in Iraq is over.

The world will eventually become a safe place to live, once we stop acting like *******s and learn from history.

Why not use the holocaust as an example? Communist Russia?

Why would you use it ? :confused:

Speak for yourself. :rolleyes:


and for 59,459,765 americans ...

Lol...Good ole fox, fair and balanced as e'er ... *snorts*

I have just bought satelite TV (after a campaign by the rest of the family) i watch Fox as a counter to the BBC. Interesting how the same news comes out so differently.

I have just bought satelite TV (after a campaign by the rest of the family) i watch Fox as a counter to the BBC. Interesting how the same news comes out so differently.

actually, in this very exemple, sounds more like a case of "Fox Vs The Rest of the World" ...

and for 59,459,765 americans ...

Are we reverting to this retarted **** again? Are you alluding to the people who voted for Bush? :rolleyes:

Probably a good percentage of the peole voted for Bush because Kerry was such a lousy candidate. It would be an entirely different story if the democrats actually put up a decent candidate not to mention the VP candidate was a trial lawyer. As you may or may not realize we had the choice to vote for a douche bag and a turd sandwich. Not too much of a difference there.

Speak for yourself. :rolleyes:

Actually I'm one of the few people I wasn't speaking for. You are that exact type, so it's pretty ironic after two years of whining about how high your taxes are and how people can only take guns out of your cold dead hands that you would exclude yourself from that generalization.

I promise not to shoot any of you precious libs with my gun. Is that good enough. Surely if you're going to take the word of Saddam Hussein and that corrupt little sock puppet Chirac my word would suffice. Do you still want to take any my gun even after I gave you my word I wouldn't hurt you with it?

Iraq is more dangerous. The rest of the world is no more dangerous than it was before.

Chirac is just angry that we removed his golden goose from power.
France is so deep in the oil for food scandal, i dont know how anyone can take what Chriac says about matters concerning iraq seriously.
It is so bloody obvious why france opposed the invasion of iraq.

"France has usually been governed by prostitutes.".. Mark Twain, being right.

The anti-American left will stand behind anyone - no matter how corrupt or murderous they might be - so long as they oppose America.

The same can be said for the "patriotic". Look at the puppet dictators our government has installed and supported in South America.

The anti-American left will stand behind anyone - no matter how corrupt or murderous they might be - so long as they oppose America.

It is a shame that so many typify the left as being anti-American. Subjugating the needs of the majority to serve the selfish needs of a few is your basic right wing platform. How can you say we oppose America on the one hand and claim that we are the Eastern liberal establishment at the same time?

It is a shame that so many typify the left as being anti-American. Subjugating the needs of the majority to serve the selfish needs of a few is your basic right wing platform.

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The anti-American left will stand behind anyone - no matter how corrupt or murderous they might be - so long as they oppose America.

Or as long as they _regardless of their reasons_ are correct ...

Spab, I love you back :D

Are we reverting to this retarted **** again? Are you alluding to the people who voted for Bush? :rolleyes:

Probably a good percentage of the peole voted for Bush because Kerry was such a lousy candidate.


I'll give you that if by lousy candidate you mean "too likely to change his mind now and them and not be consistant", aka flip floping, a factor certainly existing as demonstrated by those studies that have been posted on thses boards(though I still don't see how being consitantly wrong and proud of it is a quality ...)
Nevertheless, as also shown by the same studies , A lot of Bush's electorate has voted for him because he supposedly represents "strong american values", in a way "what america is about" , ie less "big gvt" and strong "social" values, one of the most prominent being the right to bear arms ...

hey, I value my right to wear sleeveless shirts!

The same can be said for the "patriotic". Look at the puppet dictators our government has installed and supported in South America.

And it was done to fight the spread of communism. Whether or not you agree with the tactics used during the Cold War, the fact is, it was done for ideological reasons, not to line the pockets of corrupt officials. C'mon, Spab, how can you trash corporations for corruption at any given opportunity while letting UN and the all the players in the Oil for Food scandal off lightly?

It is a shame that so many typify the left as being anti-American. Subjugating the needs of the majority to serve the selfish needs of a few is your basic right wing platform. How can you say we oppose America on the one hand and claim that we are the Eastern liberal establishment at the same time?

Perhaps I should have said "those on the left who're anti-American", as that's what I meant. That being said, leftist ideology often runs contrary to the principles on which this country was founded, so simply being on the far-left makes one anti-American to a degree...in my eyes, anyway.

Actually the Demoncrats are the ones who push for the rights of the few over the rights of the many. Dems would have:
Gay marriage - Opposed by most Americans
Partial Birth Abortions - Opposed by most Americans
Allow Immigrants and Felons to Vote - What do you think?
Gun Rights - Most states allow conceal carry and most congressman who voted for the Assault Gun Ban lost their jobs shortly there after. But Dems keep trying to take them.

It is a shame that so many typify the left as being anti-American. Subjugating the needs of the majority to serve the selfish needs of a few is your basic right wing platform. How can you say we oppose America on the one hand and claim that we are the Eastern liberal establishment at the same time?

Actually the Demoncrats are the ones who push for the rights of the few over the rights of the many. Dems would have:
Gay marriage - Opposed by most Americans
Partial Birth Abortions - Opposed by most Americans
Allow Immigrants and Felons to Vote - What do you think?
Gun Rights - Most states allow conceal carry and most congressman who voted for the Assault Gun Ban lost their jobs shortly there after. But Dems keep trying to take them.

You sound as as though the time of liberal ascendancy was an aberration. Americans tired of Hoover and his extremist free market money religion put liberals on both sides of the of the aisle for a good half century. The common welfare of the American people is more served by liberalism. Though it ended up self destructing under President Carter. The democrats certainly need to rethink some of this stuff, but while we're toying hard with these social questions, not that they're insignificant, the republicans are out spending a lot of money threatening our civil liberties and putting the resources of the federal government in the hands of greedy short sighted people.

* Actually the Demoncrats...
- Go away :l

* Gay marriage - Opposed by most Americans
- Unless they want to force everyone to marry people of the same sex, this is not prioritizing the rights of the few over the rights of the many. Democracy is not a dictatorship of the many.

* Partial Birth Abortions - Opposed by most Americans
- Same as above

* Allow Immigrants and Felons to Vote - What do you think?
- If they are legal citizens and pay enough attention to politics - of course they should vote.

* Gun Rights - Most states allow conceal carry and most congressman who voted for the Assault Gun Ban lost their jobs shortly there after. But Dems keep trying to take them.
- Not in to the issue, and don't want to be. I don't think I'll ever understand the average american's kinky relationship with guns :P

It is not like Cirac had gain some cridibility in my eyes...
So - he said...

It is not like Cirac had gain some cridibility in my eyes...
So - he said...

Good point! :nice: Who gives a rat's ass what he said anyways :confused: