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Manu
06-25-2001, 11:50 AM
Unlocking the Mystery
Scientists Try to Figure Out
How Pyramids Were Built

June 24 — It's one of the world's greatest mysteries — how did the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids?



It's as vexing as the riddle of the Sphinx. And the truth is, no one really knows.
But amateur Egyptologist Maureen Clemmons has a theory. She thinks the Egyptians may have used kites.

"If you look at the top center of every monument, you see wings," Clemmons said. "I think the Egyptians have been trying to tell us in pictures for 3,000 years that this is how they built the pyramids."


Kites Lift Tons

Her idea? To build a pyramid you harness the desert wind using kites to lift the stones. She got a team of aeronautic engineers form the California Institute of Technology to help her test the theory.

"At the beginning, we were ourselves very critical of her ideas, but then we started to think more about it and we said, 'Why not? Let's try it,'" said Mary Gharid of Caltech.

The engineers worked out the math and designed a system of nylon ropes and pulleys. Each pulley quadruples the amount of weight a single kite can pull.

"So, we're using one kite in 15-mile-per-hour winds to lift up a three-and-a-half ton block," said Caltech student Emilio Castano.

Yesterday, in the Mojave Desert, they put their theory to the test using a nylon kite, three pulleys and an obelisk that weighs nearly four tons.

The wind speed had to be just right. And miraculously, it worked. There was more than enough force to hoist the obelisk. The total airtime? Only twenty-five seconds.


Skeptics Say No Way

But the fact that it can be done doesn't necessarily mean that's how the ancient Egyptians did it.

"There's absolutely no evidence for kites in ancient Egypt," said Professor Carol Redmount of the University of California at Berkeley. "There's no evidence of pulleys as we know them today."

Redmount says the historical evidence points to the "Charlton Heston method," which basically relies on the theory of the muscle of slaves pushing and pulling huge stone blocks to create the pyramids.

But the Caltech group will have none of that.

"All I can remember from history is that Egyptians drank beer for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and as someone who has done field research on drinking beer, I know after I've had two beers and it's really hot, I'm not pushing or pulling anything," Clemmons said. "So, I figured I'd try to think another way."

The team plans to lift a 10-ton obelisk. That is just half the size of just one stone from the ancient pyramids.
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Manu Narayan

74Mav
06-26-2001, 12:38 PM
Have my doubts. Yeah, a kite may actually lift the blocks, but, how the hell do you guide something that weights 40,000 lbs? If it gets going the wrong way, the the force required to overcome the inertia of a 20 ton block of stone would be tremendous.

The Egyptians had far better engineering than we do today. Even with our most sophisticated technology, we still can reproduce the pyramids built centuries ago. We're missing something somewhere...

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Uh, what country is this??

Thutmose
06-26-2001, 03:59 PM
What we have missing is the strong belief in the divinity of our leader.

The leader needs to inspire (and force) the population to undertake great tasks. It also would help if most of our businesses shut down for a good portion of the year as the nile flooded the fields. Maybe the current power situation in CA could help remedy that, but I dont think anything can fix the leader problem.

Nate

Corporate Avenger
06-26-2001, 10:29 PM
Kites?? Haha.. C'mon guys, we know who really built them, just look at the obvious..

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter4/cydonia3.jpg
Pyramids and face on Mars..

http://www.egyptvoyager.com/pics/sat_pyramids.jpg

Pyramids in Egypt

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Corporate Avenger
06-26-2001, 10:55 PM
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter4/cydoniaprn.jpg


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Manu
06-27-2001, 01:51 AM
Yeah, defiantely. I think the slave labor/brute force makes more sense. But I do agree we have something missing.

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Manu Narayan

Manu
06-27-2001, 12:10 PM
CA - Glad im not the only one who thinks so.

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Manu Narayan

74Mav
06-28-2001, 11:02 AM
Devil's Advocate here:

C/A, why would aliens build the pyramids for the ancient Egyptians? Worship centers? I don't know one way or the other how they were built, but, I pretty sure kites had nothing to do with it. I have little problem beleiving an alien technology aided in building or just built the damned things, I just want to know why...

'As big as this universe is, it would be pretty arrogant for mankind to think they are the only intelligent life-form.'

Will Smith after filming Independance Day..

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Uh, what country is this??

Turbostang
06-29-2001, 04:22 AM
There is little doubt that the Egyptians were using an advanced technology to build the pyramids.

One factor is that they have located the Great Pyramid to the exact center of the land masses of the planet to the inch... something that could not be done by blind luck alone. Something that would suggest an orbital survey of the planet. Then when one looks at all of the mathematical and astronomical significances of the pyramids...

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Manu
06-29-2001, 11:51 AM
Well, more sticks in teh mud...using some older form of measurement (I gotta find what kind) the pyramids on earth and the pyramids on Mars are at the same latitude.

From ariel photos they look similar.

Mav - I should revise my earlier statement. I don't believe 100% this is the case, but it is JUST as likely as using massive slave labor, or kites to build them.

Look at the EXACT astronomical relations!

It is an amazing POSSABILITY.

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Manu Narayan

Thutmose
06-29-2001, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Turbostang:
There is little doubt that the Egyptians were using an advanced technology to build the pyramids.



What are you talking about? There are huge doubts about advanced technology! At least there are doubts among the workers who study the pyramids. The Egyptians knew enough mathematics to calculate angles make right angles. They also could look into the sky and see the stars and make their pyramids correspond to Orion's (Osiris') belt. Astronomically there is nothing that is really "out there." Sure, they spent alot of time and it was diffilcult, but there is ntohing advanced about geometry.

As for the center of the world's land mass thing, I do not have an answer. But, one interesting fact is not enough to lead to a claim of advanced technology. Also, if they are accurate to the inch, how in the world was that type of measurement defined? The continents have moved and grown and changed in 5000 years, and no one today has the advanced technology to knwo the exact size of the land that long ago.

As for the technology actually used to build them, it has been demonstrated, not conclusively but convincingly, that less than 20000 men, not necessarily slaves, could perform all of the necessary tasks to build the great pyramid in 20 years.

As for the Cydonia region, I still do not see the big deal. CA's second post showing Avesbury England shows how common it is to see land markings that look similar. And seriously, three objects in a row, with one slightly off the line, is not too difficult of a construction to make. Choose any three nearby points on a grid and the chances are pretty good that they will look like that.

There is more I could say, but it isnt worth my time right now. Plus, I am late for work.

Nate

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