http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=716&e=11&u=/nm/20040514/ts_nm/iraq_usa_beheading_family_dc

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The father of Nick Berg, the American beheaded in Iraq (news - web sites), directly blamed President Bush (news - web sites) and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday for his son's death.


"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this," Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM two days after a video showing the execution of his son was shown on an Islamist Web site.


In the interview from outside his home in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a seething Michael Berg also said his 26-year-old son, a civilian contractor, probably would have felt positive, even about his executioners, until the last minute.


"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."


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Thats right dad, put your political leanings in front of truth, moron. The truth is that islamic, sub human scum killed your son. The truth is he'd still be alive had he not gone there.

If this happened under a Democratic president ,certain people here would be agreeing with the father,their silence over Bush speaks volumes.

Right-wing talk show host Neil Boortz www.boortz.com has made hate-filled derogatory remarks about this grieving man that are out of the George Wallace school of demagoguery.

Boortz ought to be ashamed of himself.

Originally posted by 86Dude
The truth is he'd still be alive had he not gone there.

The truth ALSO is that he wouldn't have died if Bush hadn't gone there.

Originally posted by prof anarky


The truth ALSO is that he wouldn't have died if Bush hadn't gone there.

Indeed.

At Johnny Cash's funeral,Al Gore said that very shortly before his death Cash told Gore that he was opposed to the impending war in Iraq because it was going to unleash many currents that for many decades his grandchildren were going to have to pay for.

I think we are sadly just starting to see Mr. Cash's prediction come to fact.

Originally posted by Truth Teller
If this happened under a Democratic president ,certain people here would be agreeing with the father,their silence over Bush speaks volumes.

Right-wing talk show host Neil Boortz www.boortz.com has made hate-filled derogatory remarks about this grieving man that are out of the George Wallace school of demagoguery.

Boortz ought to be ashamed of himself.

How retarded. Don't you believe in free speech?

Bergs fathers hate filled derogatory remarks are what is pathetic.
He's upset and angry and has to lash out, just like you TT.

The people who sawed his head off are to blame.

This entire notion of removing the responsibility from those who commited the act to someone who never met the individuals involved is retarded. With this kinda thinking we might as well blame Barbara Bush for bearing her son.

With this kinda thinking we might as well blame Barbara Bush for bearing her son.

They do. Do you remember the pro abortion rally they had a few weeks ago in Wash DC?

One of the signs said "If only Barbara Bush had chosen". There were several signs that made similar vile statements like that.

Originally posted by Powerboss


They do. Do you remember the pro abortion rally they had a few weeks ago in Wash DC?

One of the signs said "If only Barbara Bush had chosen". There were several signs that made similar vile statements like that.
Say...

Now that is certainly a thought. Too bad George H Bush didn't practice birth control. Then none of his half witted sons would have been born.;)

But to get back to to the Berg situation, its pretty sad. I mean that execution was brutal and ugly and I would like to see those hooded cowards hanged by their nuts over an open fire and allowed to roast to death slowly. But it does make sense that this war is being fought only to glorify Bush's image in history and get him reelected.

Originally posted by Criminal
But it does make sense that this war is being fought only to glorify Bush's image in history and get him reelected.

And this is the fundamental difference between those that support the WOT and those that don't.

LOL. Iraq is hurting Bush in the polls.

This guy is making remarks out of grief and he needs to shut up and grieve instead of acting hysterically stupid. For instance:

Berg's father said Thursday his son was someone who simply wanted to "help people, not to hurt anyone." "He was not disrespectful of danger, he just didn't recognize danger in people," Michael Berg said. "The al Qaeda that killed my son didn't know what they were doing. They killed their best friend. Nick was there to build Iraq, not to tear it down." http://www.fox11az.com/news/other/stories/KMSB-20040513-alzarqawi-cnnbp.1bad661b8.html
Does He not grasp teh fact thatal Qaeda is in Iraq to tear it down, not to build it?

Originally posted by caddis
This entire notion of removing the responsibility from those who commited the act to someone who never met the individuals involved is retarded. With this kinda thinking we might as well blame Barbara Bush for bearing her son.

Fascinating logic you have there. About three years ago in my area, an explosion occurred at a chemical plant. A man was killed. A tank exploded which had a very corrosive acid in it. All they found of the man were a few teeth. You could say that he lost a lot more than his head.

Although the man who was killed didn't follow a procedure properly about evacuating the area, it turns out that the company that made the tank took some dangerous shortcuts. You see (like George Bush to Berg) the company had never met the man that was killed.

Well, the entire matter went to Court: one of the few times that a company was charged w/ a criminal offense. The judge found that this company's dangerous practices were so egregious that the company bore some responsibility. The Judge reasoned that although the man might have survived if he had followed the correct evacuation procedure (like Berg going to Iraq or not taking the plane ride home courtesy of the USA), nevertheless the company's actions caused the explosion (like George Bush going to war w/ country that was no threat to us).

I think Berg was a naive person and the decisions he made contributed to his own death. I believe that the men who killed him are monsters and I hope they are captured, tried and punished. Still, nothing changes the fact that it was George Bush's actions that created the circumstance for Berg and his killers to come together.

Now it is true that bad things happen even in just wars, things like what happened to Berg. But in this war in Iraq, not even one of the reasons why we entered this war (the ones we articulated before it began) has been confirmed. And we had plenty of people who told us, before the war began, that the reasons for entering this war were bogus. That's why Criminal is correct. It was George Bush's ambition, and the USA's economic fantasy about what such a war would accomplish for our corporate elites (which fortunately is not coming true), that propelled us into this war. George Bush pulled a colossal fraud on us and the world. That is why he does bear some responsibility for Berg's death. But not only his, but hundreds of American soldiers, and multiple thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, and an indeterminate number of people who will someday die from the terrorists that this war created.

It is only blind loyalty to the USA that causes many of you to hold Bush guiltless for anything. But if you could look at this war w/o your loyalty, and if you could look at only from the perspective of truth and justice, you would realize instantly that Bush is a monster of iniquity who deserves to be dragged screaming from the white house and tried before a world criminal court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. And that is simply an unambiguous moral fact.

Originally posted by prof anarky



I think Berg was a naive person and the decisions he made contributed to his own death. I believe that the men who killed him are monsters and I hope they are captured, tried and punished. Still, nothing changes the fact that it was George Bush's actions that created the circumstance for Berg and his killers to come together.

Now it is true that bad things happen even in just wars, things like what happened to Berg. But in this war in Iraq, not even one of the reasons why we entered this war (the ones we articulated before it began) has been confirmed. And we had plenty of people who told us, before the war began, that the reasons for entering this war were bogus. That's why Criminal is correct. It was George Bush's ambition, and the USA's economic fantasy about what such a war would accomplish for our corporate elites (which fortunately is not coming true), that propelled us into this war. George Bush pulled a colossal fraud on us and the world. That is why he does bear some responsibility for Berg's death. But not only his, but hundreds of American soldiers, and multiple thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, and an indeterminate number of people who will someday die from the terrorists that this war created.

It is only blind loyalty to the USA that causes many of you to hold Bush guiltless for anything. But if you could look at this war w/o your loyalty, and if you could look at only from the perspective of truth and justice, you would realize instantly that Bush is a monster of iniquity who deserves to be dragged screaming from the white house and tried before a world criminal court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. And that is simply an unambiguous moral fact.

What he said.

LOL. Talk about perverted logic.

It is a warzone, by nature it is dangerous. Everyone in the world knows this.
That is why the govt told people not to come, they couldn't insure their safety. That is why they offered to fly Mr Berg out of the warzone. He declined the offer.

Rational judgement failed him in every measure despite the numerous warnings.

1) He went there
2) He ignored an offer to leave.

The responsibility lies on the terrorists that cut his head off and nobody else exept for Mr Berg and his refusal to take heed of the mulitple warnings.

Originally posted by Powerboss
LOL. Talk about perverted logic.

It is a warzone, by nature it is dangerous. Everyone in the world knows this.
That is why the govt told people not to come, they couldn't insure their safety. That is why they offered to fly Mr Berg out of the warzone. He declined the offer.

Rational judgement failed him in every measure despite the numerous warnings.

1) He went there
2) He ignored an offer to leave.

The responsibility lies on the terrorists that cut his head off and nobody else exept for Mr Berg and his refusal to take heed of the mulitple warnings.

Everything you said is completely true but totally irrelevant to the larger responsibilities involved.

It is about individual responsibility.

I don't want to be portrayed as cold hearted, I am outraged by his slaughter, but as far as I can see the guys who cut his throat bear about 99.9% of the responsibility and he bears the other .1%.


What are the larger responsibilities involved?

I heard this guy talk. It was all leftist newspeak. Hes just another dupe for the left who is upset his son got killed. Instead of being mad at the real murders, he is using his own son's death to make a political statement. What a pervert.

Originally posted by 86Dude
Thats right dad, put your political leanings in front of truth, moron. The truth is that islamic, sub human scum killed your son. The truth is he'd still be alive had he not gone there.

Sub-human?

M.

Originally posted by contra
I heard this guy talk. It was all leftist newspeak. Hes just another dupe for the left who is upset his son got killed. Instead of being mad at the real murders, he is using his own son's death to make a political statement. What a pervert.

Pervert?
No, he's a greaving father speaking his mind.

Have some respect. Your petty partisan analysis blinds you to the reality of human suffering. Before being a political entity, this man is first and foremost a fellow American who lost his son in a way you better pray does not happen to any of your children.

M.

Originally posted by prof anarky


Fascinating logic you have there. About three years ago in my area, an explosion occurred at a chemical plant. A man was killed. A tank exploded which had a very corrosive acid in it. All they found of the man were a few teeth. You could say that he lost a lot more than his head.

Although the man who was killed didn't follow a procedure properly about evacuating the area, it turns out that the company that made the tank took some dangerous shortcuts. You see (like George Bush to Berg) the company had never met the man that was killed.

Well, the entire matter went to Court: one of the few times that a company was charged w/ a criminal offense. The judge found that this company's dangerous practices were so egregious that the company bore some responsibility. The Judge reasoned that although the man might have survived if he had followed the correct evacuation procedure (like Berg going to Iraq or not taking the plane ride home courtesy of the USA), nevertheless the company's actions caused the explosion (like George Bush going to war w/ country that was no threat to us).

I think Berg was a naive person and the decisions he made contributed to his own death. I believe that the men who killed him are monsters and I hope they are captured, tried and punished. Still, nothing changes the fact that it was George Bush's actions that created the circumstance for Berg and his killers to come together.

Now it is true that bad things happen even in just wars, things like what happened to Berg. But in this war in Iraq, not even one of the reasons why we entered this war (the ones we articulated before it began) has been confirmed. And we had plenty of people who told us, before the war began, that the reasons for entering this war were bogus. That's why Criminal is correct. It was George Bush's ambition, and the USA's economic fantasy about what such a war would accomplish for our corporate elites (which fortunately is not coming true), that propelled us into this war. George Bush pulled a colossal fraud on us and the world. That is why he does bear some responsibility for Berg's death. But not only his, but hundreds of American soldiers, and multiple thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, and an indeterminate number of people who will someday die from the terrorists that this war created.

It is only blind loyalty to the USA that causes many of you to hold Bush guiltless for anything. But if you could look at this war w/o your loyalty, and if you could look at only from the perspective of truth and justice, you would realize instantly that Bush is a monster of iniquity who deserves to be dragged screaming from the white house and tried before a world criminal court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. And that is simply an unambiguous moral fact.

Yeah, what he said.

M.

Originally posted by Malcolm Wright


Pervert?
No, he's a greaving father speaking his mind.



He is using his own son's death to make ridiculous political statements. He is so braineashed by the anti-american bush hating left, he has no words for the terrorists who actually killed his son, now outrage for them, only for Bush. Hes a pervert. If I were related to the man, I would never speak to him again and demand he not go to his son's funeral and shame the family any more.

Originally posted by prof anarky

I think Berg was a naive person and the decisions he made contributed to his own death. I believe that the men who killed him are monsters and I hope they are captured, tried and punished. Still, nothing changes the fact that it was George Bush's actions that created the circumstance for Berg and his killers to come together.

Now it is true that bad things happen even in just wars, things like what happened to Berg. But in this war in Iraq, not even one of the reasons why we entered this war (the ones we articulated before it began) has been confirmed. And we had plenty of people who told us, before the war began, that the reasons for entering this war were bogus. That's why Criminal is correct. It was George Bush's ambition, and the USA's economic fantasy about what such a war would accomplish for our corporate elites (which fortunately is not coming true), that propelled us into this war. George Bush pulled a colossal fraud on us and the world. That is why he does bear some responsibility for Berg's death. But not only his, but hundreds of American soldiers, and multiple thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, and an indeterminate number of people who will someday die from the terrorists that this war created.

Put it better than I could. Thank you Prof Anarchy.

Originally posted by contra
He is using his own son's death to make ridiculous political statements. He is so braineashed by the anti-american bush hating left, he has no words for the terrorists who actually killed his son, now outrage for them, only for Bush. Hes a pervert. If I were related to the man, I would never speak to him again and demand he not go to his son's funeral and shame the family any more.

Your analysis is unlikely. The man was very angry, wasn't he?
If he was speaking from emotion, then this contradicts your position that he was using his son's death towards political ends, and tends to bolster my position that he is expressing rage at the role his own government played in bringing about this situation.

I personally believe that with time, this man will lose some of his anger when he realizes his son's responsability is the greatest factor in his own death. But that doesn't allow us to presume a man we do not know to be pervertedly following a political agenda in his first expressions of rage at the death of his son.

You don't know this man, so it behooves you to give him the benefit of the doubt and consider that his anger is heartfelt. The only reason I can see for you assuming anything else is your deisre to quell an expression that goes against your own political agenda.

I can understand this man's reasoning well. Incredibly vicious people exist on this planet, but the only reason his son came in contact with these particular individuals is because our president decided, against the will of the world, to bomb a nation which this man's son decided he wanted to help rebuild. No bombing, no rebuilding, no son in Iraq, no decapitated son.
Since the guy probably didn't see the point in the bombing in the first place, now that his son is dead, he is furious. Is this too much for you to understand?

M.

Originally posted by Malcolm Wright

Is this too much for you to understand?

M.


For Contra, yes..

I would say it is he who is using his fathers emotional words to spread his radical agenda, and it's disgusting, the tiny bit of respect I held for him is now gone. I wonder how Contra would feel if Bill Clinton started a needless war based on a mountain of lies where his kid has his head sawed off. Somehow I doubt he'd have much of anything nice to say about the president.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
For Contra, yes..

I would say it is he who is using his fathers emotional words to spread his radical agenda, and it's disgusting, the tiny bit of respect I held for him is now gone. I wonder how Contra would feel if Bill Clinton started a needless war based on a mountain of lies where his kid has his head sawed off. Somehow I doubt he'd have much of anything nice to say about the president.

Agreed.

M.

Originally posted by Malcolm Wright


Yeah, what he said.

M.

Haha, you're cute when you're informal, especially because it's so rare. :)


Originally posted by Criminal

Put it better than I could. Thank you Prof Anarchy.

:) ((crimmy)) I suspected you would agree as well~

Spab, how do you get these hot looking spab pictures at the bottom of our posts Do you make them yoursef?

Spab, how do you get these hot looking spab pictures at the bottom of our posts Do you make them yoursef?

Originally posted by prof anarky
Spab, how do you get these hot looking spab pictures at the bottom of our posts Do you make them yoursef?

Ah, the signature banners...

I don't know how to make them, but many people do and I'm sure someone would be happy to help you.

I've been very blessed to have friends make mine for me, just to delight me. Jojo made this one and Diavolo has made several I've used.

Once made, you download it to your computer, then move it to a host (I use geocities). I upload to geocities, then click on "open file manager", then I check the box by the file, click on "rename", then name it 'whatever.txt' to make it a text file. Then you click on it to have the pic open on a page, copy the pages address and insert it like this [i mg]www.geocitiesaddy[/img] (remove space before 'i', that was just to show you).

You put it in through "User CP" then "edit profile" into the box next to "signature" and click "submit mod".

I know you probably know most of it, but better too much information than too little I think. :)

"I know you probably know most of it, but better too much information than too little I think."

Actually, I knew almost none of it. I think it is because I can remember when ATMs were a new fangled thing. I've approached learning about computers, programs and the web only from a "must know this" basis. I've become one of those old-fashioned parents I swore I would never be. :)

This thread is LAME. Berg was killed by terrorists, not Bush. HELLO? We need to get the terrorists, not whine about it. Who's side are you all on? :mad:

Originally posted by Powerboss
LOL. Talk about perverted logic.

It is a warzone, by nature it is dangerous. Everyone in the world knows this.
That is why the govt told people not to come, they couldn't insure their safety.

That's true. I think it's also dangerous these days to work in some other countries in the Middle East. My dad took another job in Saudi Arabia a few years ago, (we had lived there already, but that was many years ago when the atmosphere was different) but he came back after a short time because he didn't feel safe. In fact he had some problems leaving, if I remember correctly they held his passport for a few days, (i guess to check him out) and during that time we were worried about him, until he got back.

i'll stop rambling now... carry on. :)

Originally posted by prof anarky


Fascinating logic you have there. About three years ago in my area, an explosion occurred at a chemical plant. A man was killed. A tank exploded which had a very corrosive acid in it. All they found of the man were a few teeth. You could say that he lost a lot more than his head.

Although the man who was killed didn't follow a procedure properly about evacuating the area, it turns out that the company that made the tank took some dangerous shortcuts. You see (like George Bush to Berg) the company had never met the man that was killed.

Well, the entire matter went to Court: one of the few times that a company was charged w/ a criminal offense. The judge found that this company's dangerous practices were so egregious that the company bore some responsibility. The Judge reasoned that although the man might have survived if he had followed the correct evacuation procedure (like Berg going to Iraq or not taking the plane ride home courtesy of the USA), nevertheless the company's actions caused the explosion (like George Bush going to war w/ country that was no threat to us).

I think Berg was a naive person and the decisions he made contributed to his own death. I believe that the men who killed him are monsters and I hope they are captured, tried and punished. Still, nothing changes the fact that it was George Bush's actions that created the circumstance for Berg and his killers to come together.

Now it is true that bad things happen even in just wars, things like what happened to Berg. But in this war in Iraq, not even one of the reasons why we entered this war (the ones we articulated before it began) has been confirmed. And we had plenty of people who told us, before the war began, that the reasons for entering this war were bogus. That's why Criminal is correct. It was George Bush's ambition, and the USA's economic fantasy about what such a war would accomplish for our corporate elites (which fortunately is not coming true), that propelled us into this war. George Bush pulled a colossal fraud on us and the world. That is why he does bear some responsibility for Berg's death. But not only his, but hundreds of American soldiers, and multiple thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, and an indeterminate number of people who will someday die from the terrorists that this war created.

It is only blind loyalty to the USA that causes many of you to hold Bush guiltless for anything. But if you could look at this war w/o your loyalty, and if you could look at only from the perspective of truth and justice, you would realize instantly that Bush is a monster of iniquity who deserves to be dragged screaming from the white house and tried before a world criminal court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. And that is simply an unambiguous moral fact. Problem is, the u.n. fits that idea far better than the u.s. and especially russia, france, and those being payed under the table.

Second, the guy went into a know danger zone, was told to leave and did not, had jewish stamps on his pass port and even the iraqis thought he might be a massad agent.

Talk about sighning your own death warrant.

[i]American forces tried to help Nick Berg leave Iraq – and he refused. FBI spokesperson Kelly Shannon told reporters that Bureau agents offered to fly him home on April 10 – the day before he vanished – but Berg turned them down, saying he preferred to travel alone into Kuwait. This certainly fits the picture everyone has painted of Berg: an adventurer, a loner who used his own resources to travel and better the Third World. (Berg had made previous trips to Kenya and Ghana, alone.) Even his brother, David, has admitted this possibility. “Recalling his brother's independent personality, David Berg said such a refusal would not surprise his family,” one account has it.

Nick Berg may have never been in U.S. military custody. According to Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman Dan Senor, it was the Iraqi police and not U.S. military personnel who detained Berg. They ar allied with the military but are distinct entities. While Michael Berg has produced an e-mail saying that the military had his son in custody, it would appear this is a clerical error. Infante, a professional journalist with a world-class news agency, remembers Nick Berg telling him the Iraqi police detained and questioned him, not U.S. forces.


Who ever detained Nick Berg was simply trying to keep Iraq safe from the people who beheaded him. Although Berg believed Iraqi police suspected him of being an Israeli spy, he also told UPI reporter Hugo Infante that their questioning focused on Iran, a known sponsor of the “indigenous” Iraqi uprising. And others being questioned were frequently violent and dangerous. Berg quoted Arlo Guthrie to describe his cellmates as “father-stabbers and mother-rapers.” In other words, Iraqi police detained and questioned anyone who might plausibly be connected to further destabilizing Iraq – and succeeded in corralling many of the worst cases. If police had sufficient manpower and resources, they might have also caught al-Zarqawi and his four murderous cohorts. What Iraq needs is more of the police action Michael Berg decries, not less.

As for his dad, a signatory to International ANSWER’s March 20th “Call to Action.” http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/m20/index.html
This creed was endorsed by a slew of ultra-leftist groups such as the National Lawyers Guild and the Korea Truth Commission (which claims America started the Korean War**http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/m20/endorsers.html

They have trimed their endorsement list but not before the full list was already out on the net.

MARCH 20, 2004


GLOBAL DAY OF ACTION
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Bring the troops home now!


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Money for jobs, education, healthcare and housing - Not war!
Stop the attacks on civil rights and civil liberties!
Madison Square Park (Madison Ave. & 23rd St.) in New York City, Dolores Park in San Francisco, Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles, Michigan & Pearson in Chicago, and in cities across the U.S.



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A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism) Coalition
Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition
Arab Muslim American Federation
Free Palestine Alliance
Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
Muslim Student Association of the U.S. and Canada
National Lawyers Guild
Ramsey Clark, former U.S. attorney general
New York City Labor Against the War
IFCO/Pastors for Peace
Free Palestine Alliance - U.S.
Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF
Nicaragua Network
Bayan - USA/International
Korea Truth Commission
International Action Center
Muslim Student Association of the U.S./Canada
Kensington Welfare Rights Union
Mexico Solidarity Network
Middle East Children's Alliance
Deir Yassin Society of New York
Palestine Aid Society
Palestine Solidarity Committee
New Jersey Solidarity - Activists for the Liberation of Palestine
Arab-American Forum
Islamic Political Party of America (IPPA)
Americans for a Palestinian State
Americans for Justice in Palestine-Israel
American Muslim Voice, Fremont, CA
CAIR California, Anaheim, CA
Canadian Palestinian Foundation, Montreal, Canada
Filipino Workers Association
A.N.S.W.E.R. Youth & Student National Coalition
Chicago Coalition Against War & Racism
Alaskans for Peace and Justice
Ann Arbor Coalition Against the War
Baltimore Coalition to End War & Terrorism
Bay Area United Against War
City Wide Coalition, Baltimore
Coalition Against War & Injustice, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Committee for Peace and Justice in the Middle East, Prescott, Arizona
Communities for Peace, Eureka, CA
Community for Peace, Winston-Salem, NC
Flagstaff Activist Network
Forum Against Militarism and War, Heidelberg, Germany
Greater Lansing Network Against War & Injustice (GLNAWI)
Louisville Committee for Peace in the Middle East
Michigan Emergency Coalition Against War And Injustice (M.E.C.A.W.I.)
Neighbors for Peace and Justice - Northeast Los Angeles
Orange County Peace and Justice Coalition
People for Peace and Justice of Utah
Pikes Peak Justice and Peace Commission
Riverside Area Peace and Justice Action
U.S. Citizens Against War, Florence, Italy
St Pete for Peace
Stop War World Action, Japan, Tokyo
Toronto Coalition to Stop the War
TriCity Action for Peace
Turnwind, Tucson, AZ
Tucson Peace Action Coalition
Wage Peace, Jacksonville, FL
Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists' Social Justice Committee
Franciscan Sisters and Cojourners of the Justice & Peace Network,
Rochester, MN
Peace & Justice Center of Sonoma County, Santa Rosa, CA
Peace Fresno, CA
Maui Peace Action, Pukalani, HI
Mendocino Coast Peace and Justice Center, Ft. Bragg, CA
Waterville Area Bridges for Peace & Justice, Madison, ME
African American Holiday Association, Washington, DC
Peace Center of Nevada County, CA
Baylor Students for Social Justice, Baylor University
Central New Jersey Coalition for Peace & Justice, Highlands
South Bay Mobilization, San Jose, CA
Progressive Club of Healdsburg High School, Sebastopol, CA
College Voice, College of Staten Island, New York
National Federation of Students Self-Government Associations
(ZENGAKUREN), Tokyo, Japan
Progressive Political Students, Elmhurst, IL
Students for Peace, West Aurora High School
New York City Public Library Guild, Local 1930, District Counsel 37,
AFSCME (American Federation of State, County and
Municipal Employees)
Branch 214 of the National Association of Letter Carriers
RSU (Elected Union Council) University of Florence; CGIL, University
Union, Florence, Italy
Labor Rights Association, Taipei, China
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal, Qc. Canada.
Paz y Justicia en Medio Oriente, Cordoba, Argentina
Global Network for the Prevention of Torture (GNPT), Dhaka, Bangladesh
Movement for Democratic Socialism, Osaka, Japan
Network to Oppose War and Racism, Ottawa, Canada
Women's International League for Peace & Freedom - Fresno, CA
Philadelphia Committee to Free the Five, PA
Metro-DC Gray Panthers, Washington, DC
Connecticut Sierra Club
Asians for Jericho/Mumia, Los Angeles, CA
California Prison Focus
Charlotte Fellowship of Reconciliation
Episcopal Peace Fellowship, Clearwater, FL
National Coalition to Free the Angola Three
Cuba Education Tours
Dallas County Green Party
Foundations for our Nu Alkebulan/Afrikan Millennium (FONAMI)
LaBOR aRT & MuRAL PRoJECT
Los Angeles Greens
DuPage County Green Party, Lombard, IL
Green Party of Dallas County, Dallas, TX
Minority eXperience Network
Movement in Motion Arts Collective
National Lawyers Guild - Los Angeles Chapter
Philadelphia Committee to Free the Five
SALAAM Theatre - South Asian League of Artists in AMerica
South Asian American Voting Youth
South Asians for Collective Action
Korean-American Web Daily, Los Angeles, CA
Centro CSO: Community Service Organization, Los Angeles, CA
No War on Cuba, Washington, DC
Movement in Motion, Bronx, NY
Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism (QUIT!), San Francisco, CA
LAGAI-- Queer Insurrection, San Francisco, CA
Coalition to Prevent the Erosion of Human Rights, Las Vegas, NV
Women in the One World, Valencia, Spain
Inicjatywa Stop Wojnie, Warsaw, Poland
Iniciativa Mexicana contra la Guerra No en Nuestro Nombre, Mexico
Global #12288, Peace Campaign, Kamogawa, Japan
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Frank Cimino, Retired USAF, Vietnam Veteran, Hampton, VA
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Michel Chossudovsky, Director, Centre for Research on Globalisation
(CRG); Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa
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John A. Monteverde, Veterans for Peace*, Albuquerque, NM
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New Ways Ministry*
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Marguerite Pastirchak, American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)*
Jonathan Nack, Northern California Committees of Correspondence for
Democracy and Socialism*
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for Justice in Palestine*, Los Angeles
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National Lawyers Guild Chapter*
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Alliance*
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Lawyers Guild, American Constitution Society-UDC Chapter*, Phi Alpha
Delta UDC Chapter*, Jewish Law Society*
Women's Law Society*, OUTLAW*
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Albuquerque Center for Peace & Justice*
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Joan F. Crist, Northwest Indiana Against War*

Originally posted by Bush Booster
Who's side are you all on? :mad:
[off topic and mean] certainly not on the side of the gramatically impared native speakers (or maybe you try to emulate the litterary skills of your president[/off topic and mean]

anyway :
That is why the govt told people not to come, they couldn't insure their safety.
This could actually be blamed on Bush, since security and Police is the duty of the occupying power .

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Nebraska Coalition for Peace*
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Los Angeles, CA
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Ogaki, Japan
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Dhaka, Bangladesh
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Albuquerque, NM
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Rebel Fagin, Progressive Club of Healdsburg High School, Sebastopol, CA
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Dan Goodwin, Defenders of the Planet, Crystal Bay, NV
Carlos Montes, Centro CSO: Community Service Organization,
Los Angeles, CA
David Wilcox, DuPage County Green Party, Lombard, IL
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Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha, the Roots International*,
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Minjok-Tongshin, Korean-American Web Daily, Los Angeles, CA
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Bonnie Rosendale, Episcopal Peace Fellowship, Clearwater, FL
Daniel Bell, Coalition to Prevent the Erosion of Human Rights, Las Vegas
Tim McNiven, Priest, Washington State Church of Rock-N-Roll,
Bellingham, WA
Joseth Moore, Student, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Democratic
Socialists of America*, Nebraska Peace Coalition of Lincoln*
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International Union, Local 1-36*
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Santa Rosa, CA
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Craft Workers Local #3 Oakland*
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Local 715*
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(SEIU) 817*
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Blair Phillips, Canadian Auto Worker, CAW&TCA-Local 99 (GM of Canada
Unit)*, St. Catharines
Meg Brizzolara, Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 790*,
San Rafael, CA
HilmaTowell, United Auto Workers (UAW)*, Waterford, MI
Donna Phillips, Canadian Auto Worker, CAW & TCA - Local # 199 (GM of
Canada Unit)*, St. Catharines
Claudia Pesenti, Chicago Teachers Union*
Minnie Bruce Pratt, National Writers Union*, New Jersey
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Fred Jakobcic, American Federation of State County and Municipal
Employees(AFSCME)*, Marquette, MI
Renee L. Bowser, United Food & Commercial Workers*,
Washington, DC
Eugene H. Craig, Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Local 715*, San Jose, CA
Genevieve Cora Fraser, National Writers Union & Dramatist Guild, Inc.*
Jeremy Rossen, Service Employees International Union (SEIU)*,
Santa Rosa, CA
David Kiefer II, International Union of Operating Engineers*
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Michael Phillips, Teamsters*, The Woodlands, TX
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Judith Ackerman, United Federation of Teachers*, New York City
Theresa McNerney, United Teachers of Los Angeles*
Robert Whitehead, SCTA/ California Teachers Assoc. / NEA*
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John Maxfield Hague, American Society of Mechanical Engineers*,
Buffalo, NY
Dan Rice, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)*,
Woodinville, WA
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G.E. Stinson, Coded Source, Culver City, CA
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Systems*
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Troy Hill, Student, Clark University
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts

Michael Berg has openly admited he and his son were very much on different sides of the war question. “He was a Bush supporter,” Berg says of his son. “He looked at (the war) as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it.” His father has a different view: “I don't think this administration is committed to democracy.”

He is being very political about it himself.There is a bit more than greif here.

The World Socialist Website http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/berg-m14.shtml
has seriously insinuated that the Bush administration itself murdered Nicholas Berg to deflect attention from the now famouse prison photos:

Anyone who believes it is unthinkable or outrageous to suggest that the American government would sanction having one of its citizens murdered to shore up its fortunes is underestimating the political situation. The Bush administration and elements of the American military hierarchy, media and corporate establishment are indictable war criminals…To them, the life of 26-year-old Nick Berg would have meant nothing.



Indymedia, a website full of anti-American activists from around the world used to plan their “antiwar” rallies, also acts as an “alternate news source” and message board. Those who post on Indymedia represent the activist core of the Left. A participant on their NYC board asserted, “I'm sure it's a CIA operation.” Another chimed in, “i’m quite sure the killing of nick berg was an cia action.” [sic.]http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/93085/index.php

Pravda printed an opinion piece this weekend entitled, “Could N. Berg’s Execution be Fake?” by Pater Havlasa, editor of the website eBigBang.com. Among his musings, he lies that “N. Berg disappeared when in U.S. custody.” (False! He disappeared four days later, and one day after Americans offered him a one-way ticket back to the City of Brotherly Love.) He also produces this tender observation: “A human head contains 1.5 gallons of blood yet the freshly decapitated head shown in the video is leaking none.” (Does he know Elvis’ middle name is misspelled at Graceland, too?) http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html

I saw the video and its poor quality on my comp.But I thought I saw blood flowing out in a pool.Am I WRONG?


Not to defend contra but ,she has a valid point that grief cant cover totally.

Cyllon,

I don't believe anyone doubtts that this young man bears considerable responsibility for his own death, that he acted naively. But responsibility isn't always something owned by one person alone.

I don't see how his father's political affiliations are important. Often people disagree w/ things that don't effect them immediately but do later on. That doesn't mean that when they talk about the personal effect later on that they were wrong when they spoke against it beforehand or that they are being biased. If anything, it might mean that were right and then, tragically, had their assessment confirmed personally.

Ideas are either right or wrong, or reasonable or not reasonable, regardless of a person's motives.

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Indeed.

At Johnny Cash's funeral,Al Gore said that very shortly before his death Cash told Gore that he was opposed to the impending war in Iraq because it was going to unleash many currents that for many decades his grandchildren were going to have to pay for.

I think we are sadly just starting to see Mr. Cash's prediction come to fact. Johnny Cash? I'm a fan and all, but not exactly the person whose opinions on world international policies I'd be quoting.


Originally posted by caddis With this kinda thinking we might as well blame Barbara Bush for bearing her son. Take it a step farther, if he'd used birth control, Nic wouldn't have been born, then he wouldn't have been murdered. Yeah, that's the ticket! :rolleyes:


Originally posted by CYLLON
[i]Berg's father said Thursday his son was someone who simply wanted to help people, not to hurt anyone. He was not disrespectful of danger, he just didn't recognize danger in people,Then maybe he himself is to blame, for raising his son to believe all that bs about tolerating everyone and a global villige and all that pc crap instead of teaching him to understand that there are people out there who will cut your head off for no good reason.
This is the epitome of the problem with so many people today. They fail to recognize that not everyone in the world is a nice person. They want to teach children not to judge anyone. They want to be tolerant of everyone's beliefs. They think all problems can be solved by communication. They believe that violence is never an appropriate response. They beleive no one should ever have their feelings hurt, and if someone does wrong to you, its because they are victims of some kind, and just need some love and understanding. Unfortunately, that's simply not the reality of the world. The truth is that there are people out there who will kill you just because. The trth is you can't reason with everyone. The truth is violence is a reality. The truth is sometimes you have to kill them before they kill you. The truth is evryone should not only judge, but should be prepared to be judged. The truth is there are consequences for behavior. Sadly, the truth is that the consequence for this mans poor choices was a horrible death.

So, if we really want to pursue this game of blaming everyone but those responsible, why not blame anyone who expounds leftist ideals? Why not blame his father for not buying into all the pc crap, instead of preparing his son for the real world? Why not blame Hillary Clinton for her "global village" bs? Where does it stop?

Originally posted by SpabSFW


What he [prof anarky] said.

It goes for me too.

Originally posted by Malcolm Wright


Your analysis is unlikely. The man was very angry, wasn't he?


You don't know this man, so it behooves you to give him the benefit of the doubt and consider that his anger is heartfelt. The only reason I can see for you assuming anything else is your deisre to quell an expression that goes against your own political agenda.



Right on Malcolm . :nice:
Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



For Contra, yes..

I would say it is he who is using his fathers emotional words to spread his radical agenda, and it's disgusting, the tiny bit of respect I held for him is now gone. I wonder how Contra would feel if Bill Clinton started a needless war based on a mountain of lies where his kid has his head sawed off. Somehow I doubt he'd have much of anything nice to say about the president.

Excellent post CA.:nice:

Originally posted by 86Dude
Thats right dad, put your political leanings in front of truth, moron. The truth is that islamic, sub human scum killed your son. The truth is he'd still be alive had he not gone there.


Originally posted by Powerboss


How retarded. Don't you believe in free speech?

Bergs fathers hate filled derogatory remarks are what is pathetic.
He's upset and angry and has to lash out, just like you TT.



Originally posted by CYLLON
This guy is making remarks out of grief and he needs to shut up and grieve instead of acting hysterically stupid.



Originally posted by contra
I heard this guy talk. It was all leftist newspeak. Hes just another dupe for the left who is upset his son got killed. Instead of being mad at the real murders, he is using his own son's death to make a political statement. What a pervert.


Originally posted by contra


He is using his own son's death to make ridiculous political statements. He is so braineashed by the anti-american bush hating left, he has no words for the terrorists who actually killed his son, now outrage for them, only for Bush. Hes a pervert. If I were related to the man, I would never speak to him again and demand he not go to his son's funeral and shame the family any more.

I see that Neil Boortz isn't the only graduate of the George Wallace School of Demagoguery.

Originally posted by jwreck
Johnny Cash? I'm a fan and all, but not exactly the person whose opinions on world international policies I'd be quoting.



I quote whoever makes a valid point,I think his point on this issue is valid.

Originally posted by jwreck
Johnny Cash? I'm a fan and all, but not exactly the person whose opinions on world international policies I'd be quoting.


Take it a step farther, if he'd used birth control, Nic wouldn't have been born, then he wouldn't have been murdered. Yeah, that's the ticket! :rolleyes:


Then maybe he himself is to blame, for raising his son to believe all that bs about tolerating everyone and a global villige and all that pc crap instead of teaching him to understand that there are people out there who will cut your head off for no good reason.
This is the epitome of the problem with so many people today. They fail to recognize that not everyone in the world is a nice person. They want to teach children not to judge anyone. They want to be tolerant of everyone's beliefs. They think all problems can be solved by communication. They believe that violence is never an appropriate response. They beleive no one should ever have their feelings hurt, and if someone does wrong to you, its because they are victims of some kind, and just need some love and understanding. Unfortunately, that's simply not the reality of the world. The truth is that there are people out there who will kill you just because. The trth is you can't reason with everyone. The truth is violence is a reality. The truth is sometimes you have to kill them before they kill you. The truth is evryone should not only judge, but should be prepared to be judged. The truth is there are consequences for behavior. Sadly, the truth is that the consequence for this mans poor choices was a horrible death.

So, if we really want to pursue this game of blaming everyone but those responsible, why not blame anyone who expounds leftist ideals? Why not blame his father for not buying into all the pc crap, instead of preparing his son for the real world? Why not blame Hillary Clinton for her "global village" bs? Where does it stop?

True dat

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger

I would say it is he who is using his fathers emotional words to spread his radical agenda, and it's disgusting, the tiny bit of respect I held for him is now gone.

Does this also include the media that has broadcast and repeated the fathers words?