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Criminal
02-27-2002, 10:02 PM
This is a timely topic with the approach of Easter.

On Easter Monday, 1916 a group of determined men seized the Post Office and other public buildings in Dublin Ireland. They proclaimed Ireland a Republic and submitted a list of demands. What followed was a weeklong struggle between this group, known as the Irish Republican Brotherhood and the security forces of the British Army and the Royal Irish Constibery. The Irish group were led by Patrick Pearse, a young idealist who sought to seperate the island of Ireland from the Brittish Crown. This occured as Britian was embroiled in WW 1. It occurred at the very same time as the battle of the Somme, at a time when both British and Irish troops were fighting in the trenches of France.

Who were these men and what did they fight for?

They were a united group of men, actually two factions of men brought together to fight for "One Ireland United and Free". One faction, the Irish Brotherhood was led by Patrick Pearse and Joe Clark. They were Irish nationalists who hoped to revive Irish culture. In recent years their activities turned more political and more violent. The other group was a more working class fraction, called the Citizen's Army, led by their charasmatic leader, John Connely.

The aims of both groups was the independence of their homeland from British rule, for the first time since the 13th century. This was a cause long fought. After the protestant reformation in Britian, the Irish peasants retained their Catholicism. To cause a greater rift between Irish Catholics and their Protestent overloards, the British Crown forbade Catholics from owning land. This led to a developement of a class of absentee landowners and impoverished catholic tenent farmers. Catholics could not own land, travel freely or vote.

In the early 19th century, Catholics were emancipated and the irish and british parlements were united. All the same this was a mixed blessing. Irish were still the most impoverished people of the realm. In 1847, a potato blight destroyed ireland's main crop, thousands starved to death. Others left the country never to return.

The indifference shown to the Irish by the british parlement led to a new desire for independence as well as for land and an end to absentee landlordship. The late 19th century saw the birth of the Finean movement. This was marked by acts of terror on both sides.

The first world war saw an oportunity for the Irish to get their long awaited independence. Some such as Sir John Redmond saw cooperation with Britian in its war effort as the key to independence. Others took a different approach.

Before the rebellion, an agent for the Irish rebels, Sir Roger Casement had been actively smuggling arms to Ireland from Germany. Thought most Irish nationalists disliked the notion of collaberation with the Germans, using the slogan "neither king nor kaiser".

Casement arrived off the coast of Irelend in a German Submarine and was seized by the British.

The rebellion did continue until the British forces under Gereral Sir Henry Maxwell gained the upper hand and the Irish realizing that further resistance was useless surrendered.

Following the rebellion, 9 leaders, including Pearse, Connaly and Clark were executed without trial. They were shot and to make sure they were dead a second shot was administered to the head. The executions were ordered personally by General Maxwell.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged in Britian for Treason.

The Rebellion of 1916 was doomed from the beginning. The Rebels had no hope of winning. Even among Irish Catholics their cause was not popular. This was particularly true as so many of their bretheren were fighting in Belgium and France.

All the same it did first raise the awareness of the cause for Irish Republicanism. Though the cause was not a popular one, the execution of the 9 martyrs of 1916 caused widespread sympathy. This was seen by many as the beginning of the Irish Republic which lives on today.

Source:
"Rebels" by Peter De Rosa

IFF
02-28-2002, 04:15 PM
also in 1798 , an irish rebellion happened led by a protestasnt lwyer calle dwolfe tone which failure lead to the Act of Union 1800

but that was a good speech, eamon dev alera (future irish taoiseach and president) avoided execution as he was rescued by an irish millitant

also without the 1916, many irish people feel the war of independence wouldn;'t have happened

thanks for posting this. i think the german ship caught by the british was called the "aud"

alot of irish people fought in world war 1 for training for the irish cause, others fought in world war 1 because they thought if they did england might give them their freedom.

a main problem for the riish was that it was due for easter sunday but was delayed one day which made a majoirity of irish people unprepared for easter monday. the reason why easter monday was chosen was because engush millitary people would be at the horse races in fairy house

i honour thos eirish freedom fighters who died fighting for ntheir vcountry

Criminal
03-02-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by IFF
also in 1798 , an irish rebellion happened led by a protestasnt lwyer calle dwolfe tone which failure lead to the Act of Union 1800

but that was a good speech, eamon dev alera (future irish taoiseach and president) avoided execution as he was rescued by an irish millitant

also without the 1916, many irish people feel the war of independence wouldn;'t have happened

thanks for posting this. i think the german ship caught by the british was called the "aud"

alot of irish people fought in world war 1 for training for the irish cause, others fought in world war 1 because they thought if they did england might give them their freedom.

a main problem for the riish was that it was due for easter sunday but was delayed one day which made a majoirity of irish people unprepared for easter monday. the reason why easter monday was chosen was because engush millitary people would be at the horse races in fairy house

i honour thos eirish freedom fighters who died fighting for ntheir vcountry
Well said. Ireland does indeed have a tragic history. Interestingly enough though, it produced such great people like William Butler Yates, George Bernard Shaw and James Joyce.

IFF
03-02-2002, 01:47 PM
i gotta gree there

the main reason for the easte rebellion in 1916 was ireland being told they had got home rule in 1912 starting from 1914 (that doesn't make sense) but we didn't get it as world war 1 broke out and england din't want to fight in both ireland (ewith the unionists) and in europe

Criminal
03-03-2002, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by IFF
i gotta gree there

the main reason for the easte rebellion in 1916 was ireland being told they had got home rule in 1912 starting from 1914 (that doesn't make sense) but we didn't get it as world war 1 broke out and england din't want to fight in both ireland (ewith the unionists) and in europe
I really wonder why the rebels chose Easter as the time of the rebellion. I find it quite interesting how religion plays such a role in Irish history. Here in the US we hear a great deal of how religious the Irish people are. Could that have something to do with it?

IFF
03-03-2002, 03:36 PM
easter wass chosen because on easter monday, english army personell would be at the horse racing at fairyhouse, co. meath as was and still is the nanual easter monday horse racing venue for the irish grand national

i heard about how close to reliugion abroad irish people are but it's not like that in ireland. it's mainly only something shared by the old people. there's 5 in my house (mommy, daddy, me and my 2 brothers) and only my mother attends mass at all. no one from next door attends mass

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