Are any DA users actually enthusiastic about voting for Bush or Kerry? If so, why?

I'll be holding my nose when voting for Bush.

Both of them are not qualified to do the job.

Not being an american I cant vote but up here there are a couple of principles that guide my vote.

1. I will vote for the candidate I believe will deal with the primary problem in the case that would be debt and deficit. In this case neither candidate dealing with the issue.

2. If I have the opportunity to vote any government out I will. The longer any party stays in power the more they can screw up if I change them every time they often spend the time fixing the mistakes of the previous administration and dont have time to make too many blunders of their own. So I generally do not vote for the incumbent unless he fits #1 or #3. This would mean I would vote for Kerry.

3. I am a fiscally conservative and socially liberal individual so if I cant find a candidate that fits that profile I would vote for the one I consider more honorable. In this case I would have to choose Kerry as Bush has lost a great deal of credibility in this arena while Kerry at least is unproven either way so I would at this point give him the benefit of the doubt.

So I guess I would vote for Kerry but I really would prefer John McCain over either. A Kerry/McCain ticket would make me happy but very doubtfull we would ever see it. Too bad a coallition like that would be very good at this point in time. I think I would rather see it as a McCain/ Kerry ticket though.

I agree with a lot of what Cherry posted although I am not as socially liberal as to support the Democrat ideology that the government can take care of everyone. Or even should try.

Kerry's flip flops and Bush's credibility loss are both turnoffs for me.

I too would have preferred John McCain over either of them. DD gets my vote.

The "primary" problem is NOT the debt and deficit!

It is terrorism.

That is why I'm voting Bush.

How is your life impacted by terrorism?

The only person on this discussion board who was directly affected by terrorism was me (as far as I know) and I am not voting for Bush.

Do you realize how much 9/11 took out of our economy?
It affected far more people, and jobs, than I think you realize.

I understand how close you were there, and you are correct in that sense, but it did affect our economy in a big way.

McCain is a Republican (Most of the time). He will not be running with Kerry. He has no desire to run with a Democrat or be a VP.
He stated it flat out on a local show here yesterday.
He supports Bush abd co-chairs his re-election campaign here in AZ.

Originally posted by Powerboss
Do you realize how much 9/11 took out of our economy?
It affected far more people, and jobs, than I think you realize.

I understand how close you were there, and you are correct in that sense, but it did affect our economy in a big way.


How so? I'm not trying to be contrary, I would honestly like to hear your view on how it hindered the economy. I actually thought that wars usually help the economy from a historical perspective, at least in the short-term, but if you have facts I'd like to hear them. I honestly could not say one way or another.

I'll have to go do some research as it's been quite a while since I read it.

Don't quote me for certain but my memory tells me that they "the experts" estimated that 9/11 cost us somewhere around a trillion dollars out of our economy and slowed, possibly reversed, our economic recovery.

I'll see what I can find.

Just did a google search. Interesting.

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/aug02/homeland.asp

Ill look for more.

I wouldn't vote for Kerry in a million years. But I don't like Bush either and I can't vote for him in good conscience. So I don't know what I'll do, either vote third party or not at all. :(

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:-MB4M7bn-EwJ:www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31617.pdf+economic+costs+effects+of+9/11&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Damn. Lots of info out there. I'd bet it's well over a trillion dollars.

Do some google searches. "economic financial costs of 9/11" is what I used.

I'm voting for Bush because I hate Kerry. Not voting for Bush is a vote for Kerry.

Originally posted by Cherry
Not being an american I cant vote but up here there are a couple of principles that guide my vote.

1. I will vote for the candidate I believe will deal with the primary problem in the case that would be debt and deficit. In this case neither candidate dealing with the issue.

2. If I have the opportunity to vote any government out I will. The longer any party stays in power the more they can screw up if I change them every time they often spend the time fixing the mistakes of the previous administration and dont have time to make too many blunders of their own. So I generally do not vote for the incumbent unless he fits #1 or #3. This would mean I would vote for Kerry.

3. I am a fiscally conservative and socially liberal individual so if I cant find a candidate that fits that profile I would vote for the one I consider more honorable. In this case I would have to choose Kerry as Bush has lost a great deal of credibility in this arena while Kerry at least is unproven either way so I would at this point give him the benefit of the doubt.

So I guess I would vote for Kerry but I really would prefer John McCain over either. A Kerry/McCain ticket would make me happy but very doubtfull we would ever see it. Too bad a coallition like that would be very good at this point in time. I think I would rather see it as a McCain/ Kerry ticket though.



I don't think any 'real' AMERICAN would give a dam what you think, but sure alot of commys would .

Writting the name of a country so far greater than your own without capitalizing the first letter only proves your hate and dishonor and of course jealousy for it. granny

I'm curious, Granny.

Do you agree with or disagree with what cherry posted?

I'm a 'real' american and I thought her post had lots of merit.

Originally posted by Powerboss
Do you realize how much 9/11 took out of our economy?
It affected far more people, and jobs, than I think you realize.

I understand how close you were there, and you are correct in that sense, but it did affect our economy in a big way.

McCain is a Republican (Most of the time). He will not be running with Kerry. He has no desire to run with a Democrat or be a VP.
He stated it flat out on a local show here yesterday.
He supports Bush abd co-chairs his re-election campaign here in AZ.
So then, if Bush wants to improve our economy, why does he not:

1. Make a serious effort to impede illegal immigration?

2. Stop giving visas to Islamic countries and put a permanent end to the "visa express" system?

3. Create an imperative for law enforcement agencies in the U.S. to round up all suspicious visitors from Islamic countries and revoke their visas? There's no law that states foreigners are entitled to visas.

Originally posted by SimoneAsLily
I'm curious, Granny.

Do you agree with or disagree with what cherry posted?

I'm a 'real' american and I thought her post had lots of merit.


First off, cherrys not a ' her '. And second I don't really give a hoot what you think. granny

I want Howard Dean back!

.So then, if Bush wants to improve our economy, why does he not:

1. Make a serious effort to impede illegal immigration?

2. Stop giving visas to Islamic countries and put a permanent end to the "visa express" system?

3. Create an imperative for law enforcement agencies in the U.S. to round up all suspicious visitors from Islamic countries and revoke their visas? There's no law that states foreigners are entitled to visas.

He should be doing all of the above and he has been lacking in this area. He recently announced some serious steps in Arizona which is a step in the right direction.


I am a firm believer that we can now only be economically secure unless our borders are protected and immigration in all forms is radically changed.

don't think any 'real' AMERICAN would give a dam what you think, but sure alot of commys would .

anyone who is still worried about commies must be a fool to start with. And as to the US being Greater than Canada.....I dont think you have ever been there have you or spent much time there. Its a lovely country filled with people who actually like the USA. they have been our best neighbors and greatest friends. ( they are independent of thought enough to disagree with us on Iraq tho) Just ask all those folks who were stranded there on 9-11 how they were treated.

Lets see what else , a national medical system that works, very little crime, a budget surplus, declining debt, a free society that recognizes the value of multiculturalism. Sounds pretty great to me.

The choice of candidates for presidency sucks this year. I wouldn't vote at all.

Writting the name of a country so far greater than your own without capitalizing the first letter only proves your hate and dishonor and of course jealousy for it. granny

Greater than my own...Yeah right perhaps in military power but thats about it. Who is the largest supplier to the US of energy? What country has the largest supply of fresh water in the world? What country is running a budget surplus and paying off its debt? Who is the second largest foriegn owner of US property? CANADA

Your country is mired in debt and if it dosent deal with it it will decend into second world status in a decade. You are so great you are building walls around your country both real and economic. between last year and this year your trade deficit will exceed 1 trillion dollars. By july your debt will exceed 7 trillion dollars and without new legislation will run out of money. Get your act together and quit trying to impose your will on the world through military might you cant afford.

I wouldn't vote for Kerry ever, period. He might just be the worst Presidential candidate the Dems have ever put up there, period. His Presidency would be a disaster and I think that's putting it kindly.

Of course, that would probably eliminate Hillary Clinton becoming President, but that's the only good thing that can come of it.

However, since I vote in Texas, I'll probably choose to vote absentee for either the Libertarian party candidate or the Constitution party candidate just as a protest over campaign finance reform, the Medicare bill, immigration amnesty and a couple of other things Bush done that really anger me.

If I was in a state that mattered though, I'd probably vote Bush, just because of how bad a nominee Kerry actually is.

Originally posted by Diverlady


anyone who is still worried about commies must be a fool to start with. And as to the US being Greater than Canada.....I dont think you have ever been there have you or spent much time there. Its a lovely country filled with people who actually like the USA. they have been our best neighbors and greatest friends. ( they are independent of thought enough to disagree with us on Iraq tho) Just ask all those folks who were stranded there on 9-11 how they were treated.

Lets see what else , a national medical system that works, very little crime, a budget surplus, declining debt, a free society that recognizes the value of multiculturalism. Sounds pretty great to me.



Guess you either have very short memeory or were vacationing in foregn country witout electric when our American school children were scaired silly by your 'loving 'attitudes. About this tme last year I think it was. Think it was elementary school soccer players te canadian cowards attacked . You people seem to really stand behind your terrorist palistinian friends,imo. Good thing since they seem to be already ruling your country from the clergy.

Also I see enough of you people when you come to vacation in Florida when I use to go to Panama City Beach. Canadians yelling at our kids and Mexicans yelling at our adults and praising Bin Laden . granny

About this tme last year I think it was. Think it was elementary school soccer players te canadian cowards attacked

Never heard about this inciedent can you post a link. In any case it seems soccer in general in europe and North America seems to have a certain following that come to the games not to watch the game but to fight its stupid I hope if this happened they now in Prison trying not to be thought of as "cute".



Also I see enough of you people when you come to vacation in Florida when I use to go to Panama City Beach

Yup you probably would and they would be most probably from Ontario or Quebec. Its close, its warm, its familiar to them. A huge amount own property and invest in south florida. I thinik Canada is just about the biggest foriegn property owner in Florida and #2 in Forgien ownership in the States.

We do have our "Ugly Canadians" and most of them probably would be most likely to vote Reform Party. ( they changed their name and took over the ailing Progessive Conservative and dropped the Progressive part to Conservative party)

Canadians yelling at our kids and Mexicans yelling at our adults and praising Bin Laden

Now I doubt you have seen many Canadians "Praising Bin Laden" Our perspective on him up here is we see him as the worlds #1 most wanted Criminal in the World and we dearly would love it if the some Police force were to arrest the SOB.

You know there is a big difference between the police and Army and their roles and its on this that I think the US has it confused I'll think about it and maybe post a thread)

Other than that I invite you to come to Canada. And I dont mean Toronto. The west, Quebec, the Maritimes what ever is closest. The Maritime is incredible. Head for Cape Breton Island and go to a house party. Never hear better Kitchen Jams anywhere.

Originally posted by Sam Spade
I wouldn't vote for Kerry ever, period. He might just be the worst Presidential candidate the Dems have ever put up there, period. His Presidency would be a disaster and I think that's putting it kindly.

Of course, that would probably eliminate Hillary Clinton becoming President, but that's the only good thing that can come of it.

However, since I vote in Texas, I'll probably choose to vote absentee for either the Libertarian party candidate or the Constitution party candidate just as a protest over campaign finance reform, the Medicare bill, immigration amnesty and a couple of other things Bush done that really anger me.

If I was in a state that mattered though, I'd probably vote Bush, just because of how bad a nominee Kerry actually is.

J.P!! :D :cool:

Fancy seeing you here! :) I hope you stick around and post! :)

<3
cindy

I really hate it when your right cherry picker, but canada does own alot of our land and also has rights here we don't. The EPA alows you to come here and open toxic plants and shuts down the ones nationls owns . Also we can't own land in canada . Not that most would want to. But we may be begging for water soon, since some of your and other foreigners plants here use so much of it .

But I would'nt celebrate the fall of this country too quick if I were you, because you too will have to deal with the un-educated radical barbarians that are taking it over .You may miss us anglo-saxons and American blacks and our conservative ways of old . Note I don't use the term," African Americans ", because imo, there no such thing .

I won't go digging up some year old news, but how you convienatly forgot this is interesting. granny

Thanks, Cindy. I'll try to get around here more often.

Wonder of all wonders, I was first attracted to post on a political thread.

Some things never change. :D

See ya around...

Also we can't own land in canada

I guess you dont know much about Canada at all as I dont know where you got that impression as its not true. You can own land here you just gotta pay for it.

Also any company operating in the US is subject to its law. Got it wrong there too.

Originally posted by Diverlady


I guess you dont know much about Canada at all as I dont know where you got that impression as its not true. You can own land here you just gotta pay for it.

Also any company operating in the US is subject to its law. Got it wrong there too.



Seems I don't have to know much to know more than you. your the one who needs some info on your country, but guess your so busy with mine you have'nt the time.

There was a big dispute about one of your ethonol companys a year or so ago . Think maybe in Ca. and your country threatened law suit because EPA was trying to get you to obey toxic waste laws . Canada said they are not under USA laws or somethig to this effect . Of course alot of citizens and companys were upset to say the least. And from what I was told you can't buy or own in canada unless you live there for years first or have alot of money to deposit and become a citizen. This was several years ago, so may be wrong on this one. granny

The issue you are refering to was one in which the company was a Canadian company located in canada not in the US therefore the US laws did not apply to them in Canada.

As to property ownership its no problem at all I have property in Canada and am a US citizen. Depending on your tax status you may well want to consult a Canadian Accountant as to the tax implications and incorporation but other wise put your money on the table and take home the prize. Its interesting though many US citizens are literally afraid to buy any real property in a Foriegn country as they feel insecure about it.

BTW it has always been the case on property in Canada you may want to rexamine many of your preconceptions you hold regarding the country. I did and found it to be a great place.