President George W. Bush skipped this year's show in favor of a summit at his Texas ranch with Mexican President Vicente Fox. Vice President Dick Cheney took Bush's place, appearing along with two New Yorkers considered possible contenders in the 2008 presidential race - Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton and Republican former Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Clinton took a good-natured jab at Giuliani's old comb-over and his new emphasize-the-bald hairstyles, noting that "in Washington the cover-up is always worse than the truth."

She also claimed she had "heard Rudy has been asking if he can head the Republican vice-presidential search committee."

Cheney, who headed the vice-presidential search team that resulted in his own selection, picked up the theme later as he pretended to be responding to press questions submitted on index cards. One dealt with whether Cheney had any plans to step down from the GOP ticket.

"No, I don't," he said, "and Rudy, you need to do a better job of disguising your handwriting."

Neither Clinton nor Giuliani did anything to quell speculation about their possible aspirations for the White House.

For those who insist on looking into the future, Clinton offered this: "Let me say to all of you, my name is Hillary Clinton, and the state of our union is strong."


http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usgrid083700082mar08,0,5122280.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

Hillary is not a New Yorker. Shes a carpet bagger. If Giuliani runs, he might get my vote.

So it's Hitlery or Mussolini on the Hudson? No thanks to either, especially that authoritarian nutcase Giuliani!!

Actually, he did a good job of running NYC. Cleaned it up pretty good.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
So it's Hitlery or Mussolini on the Hudson? No thanks to either, especially that authoritarian nutcase Giuliani!!

What are you basing your opinions of Giuliani on?
He was a dedicated, hard working mayor who only did what was best for NYC and its people. And because of his hard work and dedication, NYC is a far better place to live now that it was during the Lindsey-Koch-Dinkins years.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
So it's Hitlery or Mussolini on the Hudson? No thanks to either, especially that authoritarian nutcase Giuliani!! considering you live 3,000 miles away you sure seem to think you know a lot about Rudy and NYC :nice:

Rudy really cleaned up that ****hole after Dinkens f'ed it all up.

I would not support Guliani for Prez. He is WAAAY too liberal for me.

But if it was a choice between an honorable man in Guliani and the Screeching harpy from hell, I would be forced to vote Rudy!

Originally posted by 302Riz


What are you basing your opinions of Giuliani on?


I suppose I should ask you what you base comparing Hillary Clinton with Adolf Hitler on?

I've followed the draconian career of Giuliani for quite some time, so he "cleaned up NYC", at what expense? At the constitutional rights of mostly the minority citizens, that's who. And the bastard announced his break-up with his wife on television! What a stand up guy!:rolleyes:

His crazed backing of all the police murders in NYC was reason enough to hate the guy.



He was a dedicated, hard working mayor who only did what was best for NYC and its people. And because of his hard work and dedication, NYC is a far better place to live now that it was during the Lindsey-Koch-Dinkins years.


Oh yea, trampling on the rights of the people is doing whats "best" for them, sure..

The guy is a nutcase, I don't understand why attacking the homeless and street vendors makes someone so great..





Originally posted by Red
considering you live 3,000 miles away you sure seem to think you know a lot about Rudy and NYC :nice:


Oh ok, I guess unless you live somewhere you aren't supposed to know anything about the place. I guess all history is bunk using your illogic since none of the historians lived everywhere, all of the time..:rolleyes:

I don't see any shortage of disparaging comments leveled at California by conservatives who have never set foot here. Where is your outrage!?!



Rudy really cleaned up that ****hole after Dinkens f'ed it all up.


Define "cleaned up"..

Howabout dramatically reduced crime and got rid of the bums for starters?

I suppose you would've preferred that the criminals and bums were "free" to do as they please. Just like you preferred Saddam in power, free to do as he pleased.


Your arguments are a great example of how silly and ridiculous extreme liberalism really is.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



I suppose I should ask you what you base comparing Hillary Clinton with Adolf Hitler on?

I've followed the draconian career of Giuliani for quite some time, so he "cleaned up NYC", at what expense? At the constitutional rights of mostly the minority citizens, that's who. And the bastard announced his break-up with his wife on television! What a stand up guy!:rolleyes:

His crazed backing of all the police murders in NYC was reason enough to hate the guy.



What rights did Giuliani trample on? Can you give me some specific examples?



Oh yea, trampling on the rights of the people is doing whats "best" for them, sure..

The guy is a nutcase, I don't understand why attacking the homeless and street vendors makes someone so great..


Considering that there was an epidemic of homeless people attacking people with bricks he had to do something. Homeless people brought down the quality of life in NYC.

Also, have you walked down a street with street vendors peddling bootleg DVDs, knock off watches and purses and CDs?
Its hard enough walking down any street in Manhattan (at any time of day) without vendors. With vendors lined up and down many blocks it impedes on pedestrian traffic. It really is a pain in the ass. The vendors also takes away business from legit, rent paying businesses.

Have you ever set foot in NYC?

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Oh ok, I guess unless you live somewhere you aren't supposed to know anything about the place. I guess all history is bunk using your illogic since none of the historians lived everywhere, all of the time..:rolleyes:

There is a difference between knowing anything, and knowing the truth. People who live there have a much better knowledge than people who live 3000 miles away, as not only can they read the same reports about the place, they have first hand experience. I run into the same problem when Irish-American's Tell me about Northern Ireland ;)

hugs

lilnymph

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Oh ok, I guess unless you live somewhere you aren't supposed to know anything about the place. I guess all history is bunk using your illogic since none of the historians lived everywhere, all of the time..:rolleyes:
what little tidbits you hear in your media about NYC pales in comparrison to what Paulie or i hear and see everyday. it's only logical.

I don't see any shortage of disparaging comments leveled at California by conservatives who have never set foot here. Where is your outrage!?!
i don't live in CA so i can't really comment on CA's situation :p

Define "cleaned up"..
crime dropped dramatically in every category (safest big city in the country for 5 yrs IIRC), helped get the homeless off the streets and into shelters, brought business and tourism back to NYC, created the largest and most successful welfare-to-work initiative in the country, record of tax reductions that topped over $2.5 billion, turned an inherited $2.3 billion dollar budget deficit into a multi-billion dollar surplus... and this is only few things during his 8 yr career as mayor.

Originally posted by lilnymph
There is a difference between knowing anything, and knowing the truth. People who live there have a much better knowledge than people who live 3000 miles away, as not only can they read the same reports about the place, they have first hand experience. I run into the same problem when Irish-American's Tell me about Northern Ireland ;)

:nice:

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
The guy is a nutcase, I don't understand why attacking the homeless and street vendors makes someone so great..


arent you talking about the present mayor? He's done a lot more to take away civil liberties in nyc, like fining everyone for everything!

Not to mention Dougie, he cleaned up Times Square. Pre Giuliani, Times Square was riddled with crime, hookers, drugs and porn shops. Now Times Square is a tourist magnet with restaurants, TV studios and corporate headquarters.


Not to mention he put cops on almost every corner. And little did you know, most cops hated Giuliani because he didnt hand out raises.

I live close to the city, I go to Manhattan often and I have worked within the city limits of NYC for 4 years now. I thin I know whats going on around here.

The city was a mess when Lindsey (city went bankrupt under his watch), Koch (crime was rampant, city was hemmoraging jobs) and Dinkins was mayor.

Not to mention there were numberous race riots when Dinkins was at the helm. The Crown Heights riots occured during Dinkins tenure. He was too afraid to do anything about it.

Originally posted by 302Riz
Not to mention Dougie, he cleaned up Times Square. Pre Giuliani, Times Square was riddled with crime, hookers, drugs and porn shops. Now Times Square is a tourist magnet with restaurants, TV studios and corporate headquarters.


Not to mention he put cops on almost every corner. And little did you know, most cops hated Giuliani because he didnt hand out raises.

I live close to the city, I go to Manhattan often and I have worked within the city limits of NYC for 4 years now. I thin I know whats going on around here.

The city was a mess when Lindsey (city was bankrupt when he was in charge), Koch (crime was rampant) and Dinkins was mayor.

Not to mention there were numberous race riots when Dinkins was at the helm. The Crown Heights riots occured during Dinkins tenure. He was too afraid to do anything about it.
:nice:



but wait, we must be wrong. Rudy is a nutcase Mussolini, he could never have done all these great things.

Originally posted by Red
but wait, we must be wrong. Rudy is a nutcase Mussolini, he could never have done all these great things.

Perhaps some people liked the hookers, drugs and porn shops?

:D

hugs

lilnymph

Originally posted by Red

:nice:



but wait, we must be wrong. Rudy is a nutcase Mussolini, he could never have done all these great things.



Crime was down in the 90's nation wide.

And never matter the extreme tactics employed by Giuliani to "clean up" the streets.

Can you explain exactly what "great things" Giuliani did? Was it knocking down building that were occupied that makes him great? Was it supporting brutal racist cops?

Do you still believe Hillary Clinton is as bad as Adolf Hitler??
There's no shortage of people comparing her with him..

Originally posted by Powerboss
Howabout dramatically reduced crime and got rid of the bums for starters?


LOL. Where are the evil bums supposed to go?




I suppose you would've preferred that the criminals and bums were "free" to do as they please.


Yea, that's it..:rolleyes:

Nice how you make no distinction between the homeless and criminals.

On crime.. You see, there is this little thing called the "Constitution", you may never have heard of it, but violating everyones rights in order to fight crime is hardly commendable..



Just like you preferred Saddam in power, free to do as he pleased.


Like you did when he was gassing people.



Your arguments are a great example of how silly and ridiculous extreme liberalism really is.


Your trollish juvenile vomit is a great example of how your hardline partisan beliefs are nothing but insane gibberish.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger




Crime was down in the 90's nation wide.



NYC always lags behind the rest of the country when it comes to crime and jobs.


And never matter the extreme tactics employed by Giuliani to "clean up" the streets.
What were these "extreme tactics"? Giuliani had enough balls to take crime head on. Everyone else was chicken ****. Would you prefer to live in a city rampant with crime? I think I could speak for everyone here and say no. Everyone was getting sick of hearing about murders, rapes and shootouts on a regular basis. Something had to be done. Now its safe for anyone to walk through times square (and most of the city for that matter) late at night.


Can you explain exactly what "great things" Giuliani did? Was it knocking down building that were occupied that makes him great? Was it supporting brutal racist cops?

Myself and Red already explained some of the good things he did for the city. Rudy after 9/11 didnt make him great. I always thought highly of him. Some people came to realize that after he left office in 2002. At least Giuliani had enough respect to go to as many fire fighter and Police funerals as possible. He even came to one out on Long Island.

He supported brutal racist cops? Are all cops racists?


Do you still believe Hillary Clinton is as bad as Adolf Hitler??
There's no shortage of people comparing her with him.. [/QUOTE]

Hillary is a carpet bagger. When she was running for Senate here in NY, she claimed she was a quarter jewish just so she could get the jewish vote. When her book was published, she was nowhere to be seen. SHe wasnt doing her job she was running around the country promoting her book.

Why havent you addressed any of my posts?

Originally posted by Powerboss
Howabout dramatically reduced crime and got rid of the bums for starters?


LOL. Where are the evil bums supposed to go?




I suppose you would've preferred that the criminals and bums were "free" to do as they please.


Yea, that's it..:rolleyes:

Nice how you make no distinction between the homeless and criminals.

On crime.. You see, there is this little thing called the "Constitution", you may never have heard of it, but violating everyones rights in order to fight crime is hardly commendable..



Just like you preferred Saddam in power, free to do as he pleased.


Like you did when he was gassing people.



Your arguments are a great example of how silly and ridiculous extreme liberalism really is.


Your trollish juvenile vomit is a great example of how your hardline partisan beliefs are nothing but insane gibberish.

Originally posted by 302Riz


What rights did Giuliani trample on? Can you give me some specific examples?


If living there or near NY makes one aware of what goes on there, how can people be so un-aware of the abuses during Giulianis reign?

Is it just an example of looking at the polished media image and ignoring the bad stuff?

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9907/barrett.php



Considering that there was an epidemic of homeless people attacking people with bricks he had to do something. Homeless people brought down the quality of life in NYC.


Ah, so because some people break laws, it's ok to crack down on evrybody?


Also, have you walked down a street with street vendors peddling bootleg DVDs, knock off watches and purses and CDs?


Yup, all the time here in LA.. The price of living in a free society..



Its hard enough walking down any street in Manhattan (at any time of day) without vendors. With vendors lined up and down many blocks it impedes on pedestrian traffic. It really is a pain in the ass. The vendors also takes away business from legit, rent paying businesses.


So someone has to pay rent in order to have a business? Maybe these vendors, being poor, can't afford NYC rents, why do the poor get attacked when they try to work and make their own way like conservatives are always saying they should do? Also, it is every persons choice where they give their business to, nobody is entitled to consumers choice of where they spend their money.


Have you ever set foot in NYC?


Yes, is living somewhere a requirement to pass judgment on someone who runs the place? I see plenty of people passing judgement on Saddam hussein, do they all need to live in Iraq to be able to do so?

Originally posted by lilnymph


There is a difference between knowing anything, and knowing the truth. People who live there have a much better knowledge than people who live 3000 miles away, as not only can they read the same reports about the place, they have first hand experience. I run into the same problem when Irish-American's Tell me about Northern Ireland ;)

hugs

lilnymph


Well I've read plenty of reports from people who live in New York that hate Giuliani, but I guess only those that like him opinions count?

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Well I've read plenty of reports from people who live in New York that hate Giuliani, but I guess only those that like him opinions count?

No idea, as I don't live there ;) However its a well known fact that people are most vocal if they don't agree with the status quo, and have an axe to grind :) People who agree with how things are going usually don't comment loudly, as they don't see the point, for better or worse.

That still doesn't change the fact that people who live there know more about the situation than you, who have only read reports from people who live there, and who might have left things out (either on purpose to put over their point of view, or by accident because they just didn't think about it)

hugs

lilnymph

Originally posted by Red

what little tidbits you hear in your media about NYC pales in comparrison to what Paulie or i hear and see everyday. it's only logical.

One thing I've read about New York under Giuliani is that he's loved by White people and hated by minorities. I think there's a lot behind this..



i don't live in CA so i can't really comment on CA's situation :p


Oh but it's the in thing to do so among conservatives..


crime dropped dramatically in every category (safest big city in the country for 5 yrs IIRC), helped get the homeless off the streets and into shelters, brought business and tourism back to NYC, created the largest and most successful welfare-to-work initiative in the country, record of tax reductions that topped over $2.5 billion, turned an inherited $2.3 billion dollar budget deficit into a multi-billion dollar surplus... and this is only few things during his 8 yr career as mayor.


Source? Where is the part of librarys being told to hold fund raisers to stay afloat?

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



If living there or near NY makes one aware of what goes on there, how can people be so un-aware of the abuses during Giulianis reign?

Is it just an example of looking at the polished media image and ignoring the bad stuff?

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9907/barrett.php


I am not going by what the media said about him. Im going by the job that he had done. The media didnt like him at all. Why dont you bitch and moan about the terrible job the Dinkins did?


Ah, so because some people break laws, it's ok to crack down on evrybody?


Whos said he cracked down on eveyrone? He sent police to the problem areas.



Yup, all the time here in LA.. The price of living in a free society..





So someone has to pay rent in order to have a business? Maybe these vendors, being poor, can't afford NYC rents, why do the poor get attacked when they try to work and make their own way like conservatives are always saying they should do? Also, it is every persons choice where they give their business to, nobody is entitled to consumers choice of where they spend their money.

Stop it with this ****! How would you like it if you were a business owner and a "street vendor" was selling the same product (and a knockoff or bootleg to boot) in front of your store for a fraction of the price? The business owners have the right to complain and get rid of them because they pay taxes and rent (which is very expensive, by the way.). Street vendors do not. Most street vendors now sell 9/11 memoribilia of ictures of the planes smashing into the towers, hats that have ground zero embroidered on it and t-shirts. Or did you know that? :rolleyes:


Yes, is living somewhere a requirement to pass judgment on someone who runs the place? I see plenty of people passing judgement on Saddam hussein, do they all need to live in Iraq to be able to do so? [/QUOTE]

Actually, yes it is. Because we actually know about the issues that affect us. How do you know what goes on every day here? I dont have a clue as to what goes on in California and therefore, I will not comment about it.



Also, Id like to add that Giuliani never passed a smoking ban. Bloomberg did. If anyone is taking away rights, its Bloomberg not Giuliani. Bloomberg has done some rotten things since he became mayor. But I assume that you ignore it.

And dont you know? Giuliani supported Gays :eek: That evil Mussolini marched with gays in numerous parades every year even when the people of NYC chastized him for it?! That NAZI! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by turtle_o


arent you talking about the present mayor? He's done a lot more to take away civil liberties in nyc, like fining everyone for everything!


Nope..


Originally posted by 302Riz
Not to mention Dougie, he cleaned up Times Square. Pre Giuliani, Times Square was riddled with crime, hookers, drugs and porn shops. Now Times Square is a tourist magnet with restaurants, TV studios and corporate headquarters.


Not to mention he put cops on almost every corner. And little did you know, most cops hated Giuliani because he didnt hand out raises.

I live close to the city, I go to Manhattan often and I have worked within the city limits of NYC for 4 years now. I thin I know whats going on around here.

The city was a mess when Lindsey (city went bankrupt under his watch), Koch (crime was rampant, city was hemmoraging jobs) and Dinkins was mayor.

Not to mention there were numberous race riots when Dinkins was at the helm. The Crown Heights riots occured during Dinkins tenure. He was too afraid to do anything about it.


So if Rudy is responsible for everything good in NYC, wasn't he also equally responsible for everything bad?


Originally posted by 302Riz


NYC always lags behind the rest of the country when it comes to crime and jobs.


There are areas of LA where you couldn't walk during the day back in the 80's where I've walked at night recently and felt safe. Did Giuliani do this too?




What were these "extreme tactics"? Giuliani had enough balls to take crime head on. Everyone else was chicken ****. Would you prefer to live in a city rampant with crime? I think I could speak for everyone here and say no.


There's nothing wrong with preventing crime, but this whole authoritarian "the ends justify the means" approach doesn't sit well with me.



Everyone was getting sick of hearing about murders, rapes and shootouts on a regular basis. Something had to be done. Now its safe for anyone to walk through times square (and most of the city for that matter) late at night.


So is this just a superficial thing or did Giuliani reach down and attack the root causes of crime?



Myself and Red already explained some of the good things he did for the city. Rudy after 9/11 didnt make him great. I always thought highly of him. Some people came to realize that after he left office in 2002. At least Giuliani had enough respect to go to as many fire fighter and Police funerals as possible. He even came to one out on Long Island.


Somethig tells me if we had a Republican president during the 90's these things would be attributed to the president.. Just a thought..



He supported brutal racist cops?


Patrick Dorismond,

unarmed, off-duty security guard, was shot in March by undercover New York City detective Anthony Vasquez during a “drug buy and bust operation.” A scuffle ensued after Dorismond rebuffed the officer's inquiry for marijuana, and shots were fired. Dorismond was the fourth unarmed black man shot by New York City police in just over a year. Mayor Rudolph Giuliani expressed immediate support for the police and criticized the dead man for a violent criminal record. Hours after the shooting, Giuliani released Dorismond's criminal record, including court-sealed juvenile records. The mayor, however, neglected to reveal that Det. Vasquez also had a blemished record as an officer.


http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0855253.html



Are all cops racists?


Why do you make this ridiculous comment whenever anybody questions any actions by the police??

There ar bad apples in every group, are cops somehow angelic and above this simple fact?



Do you still believe Hillary Clinton is as bad as Adolf Hitler??
There's no shortage of people comparing her with him..

Hillary is a carpet bagger. When she was running for Senate here in NY, she claimed she was a quarter jewish just so she could get the jewish vote. When her book was published, she was nowhere to be seen. SHe wasnt doing her job she was running around the country promoting her book.[/quote]


Whew, definitely Hitleresque!



Why havent you addressed any of my posts?


Just did, I don't have much time these days...

You are being irrational and Im not going to argue with you anymore. And since you really dont pay attention to my posts I DO NOT SUPPORT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS!!!!!

Jesus ****ing christ!

Originally posted by lilnymph


No idea, as I don't live there ;) However its a well known fact that people are most vocal if they don't agree with the status quo, and have an axe to grind :) People who agree with how things are going usually don't comment loudly, as they don't see the point, for better or worse.


True..


That still doesn't change the fact that people who live there know more about the situation than you, who have only read reports from people who live there, and who might have left things out (either on purpose to put over their point of view, or by accident because they just didn't think about it)


And how is reading reports from people who live there that don't like Giuliani any different from reading reports from people who live there that like him? Don't they all have biases?

Why should I believe what his supporters say over his distractors? Why does their opinion matter more?

Originally posted by 302Riz
You are being irrational and Im not going to argue with you anymore. And since you really dont pay attention to my posts I DO NOT SUPPORT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS!!!!!

Jesus ****ing christ!


Uh ok, did you pay any attention to my post?

How am I being "irrational"?

Did I say YOU support Dems or Reps?

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
And how is reading reports from people who live there that don't like Giuliani any different from reading reports from people who live there that like him? Don't they all have biases?

Why should I believe what his supporters say over his distractors? Why does their opinion matter more?

You shouldn't, however you should take info from both sides :) First hand information is always more valuble than reports, so you should really go and live there for a while yourself ;)

But you should never tell someone who lives there, or has experienced things first hand, they are wrong because of what you have read in reports.

hugs

lilnymph

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Uh ok, did you pay any attention to my post?

How am I being "irrational"?

Did I say YOU support Dems or Reps?

Forget it. I am done with you in this thread. There really is no point to contiune to argue since you dont take into account that I live here and I know whats going on. You seem to take everything you see and hear as fact. I can sense the seething hatred you have for Giuliani. He never pulled the trigger and killed Amadou Diallo. Giulani never used a plunger on Abner Louima.

Originally posted by lilnymph


You shouldn't, however you should take info from both sides :) First hand information is always more valuble than reports, so you should really go and live there for a while yourself ;)


Well I've been wanting to visit for some time, I hear it still stinks though..:D



But you should never tell someone who lives there, or has experienced things first hand, they are wrong because of what you have read in reports.

hugs

lilnymph


Well I disagree them on Giuliani and his tactics, if he's going to be credited with everything good, then he should share responsibility for the bad right?

I think it's perfectly valid for foreigners to debate American politics, should they not because they don't live here? That would seem rather silly, I've heard them all refered to as "anti-Americans" if they question US policies. Or that it's of no concern to them because they don't live here. Well our foreign policy effects the world. There is talk that Giuliani might replace Cheney, so he will effect my life, and that is certainly up for debate. With the insane level of attacks on John Kerry for what he did 30 years ago I would think someone who might become our next vice president isn't above being called out for things he did in the past 10 years? No?

No, they can debate it. However they should be ready to accept the views and info from people who live there as more accurate than their own views.

Hugs

lilnymph

Originally posted by lilnymph
No, they can debate it. However they should be ready to accept the views and info from people who live there as more accurate than their own views.

Hugs

lilnymph


Isn't that what I'm doing? not all New yorkers views are the same as Riz's and Reds, who am I to believe? Remember, Red is a huge Bush supporter, so his perceptions are skewed.:| :D :p ;) :jk:

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Isn't that what I'm doing? not all New yorkers views are the same as Riz's and Reds, who am I to believe? Remember, Red is a huge Bush supporter, so his perceptions are skewed.:| :D :p ;) :jk:

Hehe, well, the question is do you actually talk to other new yorkers, or just read reports? People you can talk to and question are the second best source of data (after personal experience), and are better than reports that you can't ask questions of. If you can talk to people with difference views, you can ask them questions to try and get a true view of the situation. But however many questions you ask, and however many reports you read, you will still not have as good an understanding of the situation as someone who lives/works/ has experience of the situation.

hugs

lilnymph

Personal experience is anecdotal and does not belong in serious discussion of statistics.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
One thing I've read about New York under Giuliani is that he's loved by White people and hated by minorities. I think there's a lot behind this..
replace "Giuliani" with "Dinkins" and you'd see the exact opposite.

your point?

Oh but it's the in thing to do so among conservatives..
have you bashed Bush lately? that is a liberal's favorite past time, right? ;)

Source?
a quick search gave me these results. i'll post more later. it'll take longer if you want actual news articles.

Budget and Economy (http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Rudy_Giuliani_Budget_+_Economy.htm)
Times Square (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Square)
Crime (http://www.issues2000.org/Senate2000/Rudy_Giuliani_Crime.htm)

Originally posted by ColWTH
Personal experience is anecdotal and does not belong in serious discussion of statistics.

I disagree, statistics only tell half the story, and are very easy to manipulate. In physics I would agree with you, however in discussions about human experiences first hand experience is more valuble. With just statistics you don't know about the circumstances behind them, and how "false" they might be.

hugs

lilnymph

If you dont want Hillary as president then elect Kerry this time around! :)

I'd rather deal with the possibility of Hilary 5 years from now than deal with the utter destruction of American policy, power and it's econopmy by electing Kerry now!

One disaster at a time.

Don't quote me on the exact numbers but under Rudy, murders of black males dropped from something like 2000 a year to around 700.

If that is racist then perhaps we need more of it.


This sums it up.

A sampling of the most recent crime statistics (since 1993) shows:
50% drop in overall crime
70% drop in murder
23.4% drop in rape
29.9% drop in felony assault
54.6% drop in robbery
53.2% drop in burglary
40.0% drop in grand larceny
61.2% drop in car thefts
The City’s homicide rate is at its lowest level since 1964.
According to FBI statistics, between 1993 and 1997, NYC crime reduction accounted for a full 25 percent of the nation’s drop in crime.

Good news for NY City is bad news for the radical left.