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Xenodamus
02-24-2004, 08:10 PM
So long Dick. :p

http://www.economist.com/World/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2447095

Lexington
Time for him to go?

Feb 19th 2004
From The Economist print edition

Why Dick Cheney should watch whom he travels with

A YEAR ago, with the invasion of Iraq imminent, George Bush delighted guests at the American Enterprise Institute's annual dinner by unveiling his plans to democratise the Middle East. A year later, conservative Washington once again massed in the Washington Hilton ballroom to enjoy the AEI's hospitality and hear from the administration—this time from Dick Cheney.

You might have thought that the faithful would be feeling a little chastened by recent events. Not a bit of it. Mr Cheney looked as cocksure as ever. Charles Krauthammer treated the guests to an interminable celebration of American power. The chatter after dinner was surprisingly upbeat. Those missing weapons of mass destruction? Much ado about nothing. Of course, these conservatives were prepared to admit the odd setback—Mr Bush's flaccid state-of-the-union speech, for instance, or the fact that Howard Dean was no longer the likely Democratic nominee—but nobody seemed to be taking seriously the idea that John Kerry might actually be elected president in November. “This country won't elect a Massachusetts liberal,” declared one senior journalist flatly.

This sounds strangely like the pride that goes before a fall. Mr Bush certainly stands a good chance of hanging on to the White House—but not if he underestimates Mr Kerry as his father did his philandering southern rival. The Republicans had expected the first quarter of the year to be dominated by Democratic squabbling; instead, the pounding coming from American television screens has been that of relentless Bush-bashing. For all his liberal traits, Mr Kerry looks a formidable presidential candidate, and even if he slips up in the run-in he will be replaced by John Edwards—the southerner whom Mr Bush's people feared most at the beginning of the contest. If nothing else, the Democratic Party has shown that it is obsessed by the idea of getting Mr Bush out of the White House.

The Bush campaign needs a jolt, not just to wake up the ideologues at the AEI but also to improve the president's standing among independent voters. And what bigger jolt could he give it than to start at the top—or rather second from the top—with the vice-president? In 1992, Mr Bush tried to persuade his father to ditch Dan Quayle. The idea that Mr Cheney might also be a “drag on the ticket” was unthinkable a year ago. Now it has begun to seep into the more hard-headed, vote-scrounging parts of the Republican Party, and become common chatter among political operatives from both parties. It is, indeed, the current cover story of the National Journal, the inside-the-Beltway bible.

This is partly Mr Cheney's own doing. Four years ago, he looked the perfect complement to young George, possessing everything the callow Texan lacked—gravitas, eloquence and experience. Nowadays, he is seen less as the sober pragmatist and more as the dangerously revolutionary zealot. Look at economic management, where he supposedly told Paul O'Neill, his former friend and the former treasury secretary, that “Reagan proved deficits don't matter.” Or look at Iraq, where the vice-president went further than anybody else in exaggerating Saddam's “reconstituted” nuclear-weapons programme and the idea that he provided a “geographic base” for terrorism against America.

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ColWTH
02-24-2004, 09:45 PM
No.

Stick with Dick.

Besides, Bush is an extremely loyal person and he will not dump Cheney unless Cheney REALLY wants to quit.

Secondly, a dump of a VP is usually seen as an admission of having done "something wrong". And this administration will not do that in this case.

There will be no change in my opinion, nor should there be.

Xenodamus
02-24-2004, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by ColWTH
No.

Stick with Dick.

Besides, Bush is an extremely loyal person and he will not dump Cheney unless Cheney REALLY wants to quit.

Secondly, a dump of a VP is usually seen as an admission of having done "something wrong". And this administration will not do that in this case.

There will be no change in my opinion, nor should there be.

Well James Baker may have an entirely different opinion than yours.

ColWTH
02-24-2004, 11:11 PM
Wow, a salient point.

Yep. James Baker did not consult me on what he should think. I find myself in opposition to his ideas. I am duly chastised.

Of course if all you were interested in was James Baker's opinion maybe you should not have bothered to post this here so that others might give THEIR opinions?

Xenodamus
02-24-2004, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by ColWTH
Wow, a salient point.

Yep. James Baker did not consult me on what he should think. I find myself in opposition to his ideas. I am duly chastised.

Of course if all you were interested in was James Baker's opinion maybe you should not have bothered to post this here so that others might give THEIR opinions?

We'll definately see their opinions near the election. Until then, things don't look strong for Cheney.

Von Apfelstrudel
02-25-2004, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by ColWTH
No.

Stick with Dick.

Besides, Bush is an extremely loyal person and he will not dump Cheney unless Cheney REALLY wants to quit.



let's dump both of them then :p :D

Saudade
02-25-2004, 02:06 PM
Ignore the man behind the curtain........he's just a "Dick."

ColWTH
02-25-2004, 02:22 PM
:rolleyes:

drunken hearted man
02-25-2004, 07:42 PM
If by "go" you mean finally kick off from a heart attack, then yes he's long overdue to go.

Saudade
02-25-2004, 07:49 PM
The Dick had five draft deferments during the Vietnam War, while flunking out of Yale twice. Does anyone know if he has more or less major heart attacks than draft deferments?

Thanks.

What a Dick!

Truth Teller
02-26-2004, 07:32 PM
If Cheney goes,then Bush would be president.:eek:

Patrician
02-26-2004, 08:19 PM
If I were dick I would go. Being vice president is not good for stress and he has had 4 heart attacks already. Some things (like your life) are just more important than politics.

drunken hearted man
02-26-2004, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by contra
If I were dick I would go. Being vice president is not good for stress and he has had 4 heart attacks already. Some things (like your life) are just more important than politics.

Yeah, gee it's almost like he has sold his very soul for money and power....those are obviously the most important things in life to him.

ColWTH
02-27-2004, 12:05 AM
... I see. And how long have you known Cheney well enough to know his innermost feelings?

Oh. You haven't?

So .... so, you are just talking out of your ass?

Ah, I get it!

Corporate Avenger
02-27-2004, 02:50 AM
There has been a lot of rumors floating that Bush might dump Cheney because even Bush's handlers are worried that the vile corporate crook might cost Bush the White house.

ColWTH
02-27-2004, 02:56 AM
Correct.

But a dumped VP has only happened four other times.

Grant dumped Colfax because of his railroad mess and FDR dumped both Garner AND Wallace, the latter because he was a communist. The fourth is sort of Agnew, but he resigned so I'm not sure if that counts.

Thing is, Cheney has no overridding scandal attached to him. This Haliburton stuff is trumped up nonsense.

I doubt Bush will dump Cheney at all.

Kyle Gridley
02-27-2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by drunken hearted man
If by "go" you mean finally kick off from a heart attack, then yes he's long overdue to go.

That would be the way to do it without too many questions popping up at the wrong time.

Bochephus
03-04-2004, 07:53 PM
Condy Rice would be a good replacement.

Xenodamus
03-04-2004, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Bochephus
Condy Rice would be a good replacement.

http://www.vdare.com/francis/beichmanrice.htm

I don't think an emotionless machine would make a good vice-president.

ColWTH
03-04-2004, 08:51 PM
:rolleyes:

Vespasian
03-06-2004, 08:29 PM
It was time for Dick to go years ago. Lets hope a heart attack takes him out. :cool:

Bochephus
03-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
There has been a lot of rumors floating that Bush might dump Cheney because even Bush's handlers are worried that the vile corporate crook might cost Bush the White house.

Don't let a little thing like the fact he has never been accused or convicted of a crime cloud your judgement.:p

SpabSFW
03-06-2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Bochephus


Don't let a little thing like the fact he has never been accused or convicted of a crime cloud your judgement.:p

Don't let a little thing like the fact that he is a member of the elite and thus protected cloud your judgement about whether he is in fact guilty of various crimes whether he is ever arrested for them or not.

Bochephus
03-06-2004, 10:25 PM
So people who are members of the elite are guilty of what? Just being your betters apparently makes them a crook?

SpabSFW
03-06-2004, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Bochephus
So people who are members of the elite are guilty of what? Just being your betters apparently makes them a crook?

They would hardly be my 'betters'.

Feel free to consider them your 'betters', if you like.

Corporate Avenger
03-07-2004, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Bochephus


Don't let a little thing like the fact he has never been accused or convicted of a crime cloud your judgement.:p


What? Maybe not convicted since he's one of the annointed elitists that are above the law, but the accusations have been coming from all over the place!!

Remember this one?

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47257&highlight=cheney+nigeria

Bochephus
03-07-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by SpabSFW


They would hardly be my 'betters'.

Feel free to consider them your 'betters', if you like.

Interestingly I hvae never beentold by a rich white guy that I should go back to the ghetto or I should act black. I have encountered more racism from you than from any of the people you would convict without a trial.

I would consider your racism when classifying you as a loser in every respect.

Bochephus
03-07-2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



What? Maybe not convicted since he's one of the annointed elitists that are above the law, but the accusations have been coming from all over the place!!

Remember this one?

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47257&highlight=cheney+nigeria

I would hardly give any charge from the left credibility, it is the same as coming from you.

Has Cheny been indicted or convicted of any crimes other than not be a leftist or a racist like Spabbs?

SpabSFW
03-07-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Bochephus


I would hardly give any charge from the left credibility, it is the same as coming from you.

Has Cheny been indicted or convicted of any crimes other than not be a leftist or a racist like Spabbs?

At least you admit you're so partisan you're blinded by it.

:nice:

Yeah yeah, bo... I'm some racist. It's crossed my mind that you aren't even black, just assuming that internet guise to make your anti-black tirades come across as more valid. You're probably some Stormfronter in an Uncle Tom suit. It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last.

ColWTH
03-07-2004, 01:23 PM
I love to see that old saw used by the leftists to keep fools down, class warfare.

It always makes a leftist look so blind, so unthinking, so ... well ... LEFT!

It is the main example of why they and their ideas are foolhardy, incorrect and illogical.

All one need do to discount the left is allow them, to hang themselves as sophists and extremists by allowing them to start in on their rant on the "evil rich".


Then you can freely sit back and point fingers at the "special people" and laugh at them.

Bochephus
03-07-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by SpabSFW


At least you admit you're so partisan you're blinded by it.

:nice:

Yeah yeah, bo... I'm some racist. It's crossed my mind that you aren't even black, just assuming that internet guise to make your anti-black tirades come across as more valid. You're probably some Stormfronter in an Uncle Tom suit. It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last.

Well you would be wrong again, since some of the people on here have met me in person you might check with them.

I have never engaged in an anti-black tirade. Now you are adding liar to your loser status?

I am assuming Storm Front is a nazi site. Can you find any anti semitic statements on my part?

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