Does he want the Republicans to win AGAIN?

I mean, what goes through his head? "Gee whiz, I can't possibly get elected, but I'm gonna run anyway and take votes away from the Democrats"?

Is he on the Republican payroll or something?

Originally posted by Sinclair
Does he want the Republicans to win AGAIN?

I mean, what goes through his head? "Gee whiz, I can't possibly get elected, but I'm gonna run anyway and take votes away from the Democrats"?

Is he on the Republican payroll or something?


He's on meet the press right now, and he makes some great points, he's 100% correct.

Either way we get evil, but kicking the extreme PNAC neo-cons out of power would be a step in the right direction. It's just a shame the only other option is Kerry, but hell, anybody is better than Bush and his cohorts..

Some people think he is working with the Republicans, but I have a hard time believing that one!!

Originally posted by Sinclair

I mean, what goes through his head? "Gee whiz, I can't possibly get elected, but I'm gonna run anyway and take votes away from the Democrats"?

Is he on the Republican payroll or something?

That's pretty amusing.

In all seriousness, we've already got one bolshevist running. Kucinich. We don't need another communist.

I need nader to die. He's making me so angry. Hopefully he won't get the signatures he needs to get into any of the states.

:nice: :D

Go Nader!!! I think we may see something similar to what Perot did to Bush in '92 only this time Kerry will suffer for it :D


This is great news!!!

Go to hell frankiep. Hopefully Nader won't get any votes anyway...he pissed off so many liberals like me last time. Bush wouldn't be president if not for him.

I'm hoping Gary Nolan takes some bush votes ;)

Originally posted by Volconvo
Go to hell frankiep.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Can't the Democrats bribe him or something? FFS, offer him some position, in exchange he doesn't run and tells his people to vote democrat.

If I voted then I would vote for Nader. He seems to be the only candidate who stands by what he actually believes in.

Can't the Democrats bribe him or something? FFS, offer him some position, in exchange he doesn't run and tells his people to vote democrat.

They tried that last election, and it didn't work.

If independents want Bush out bad enough, they'll ignore Nader. Independents can either:

-vote their ideology/philosophy
-be practical and get Bush out of office

If the public feels angry/betrayed, they'll vote Kerry.

hehe, I said "get bush" ;)

:D

I'll vote for Nader, and if any right-wingers had an ounce of nutsack and/or backbone they would vote for Buchanan.

In fact I'd rather see Buchanan elected than Bush. Something's gotta change in this rotten system. Anyone who votes for Bush or Kerry is part of the problem and really has no room to complain about American government/politicians.

I'mwith you on that DHM

What kills me is the total lack of self-awareness from people who claim to passionate about their political beliefs.

I wonder if people like sinclair, volconvo, etc. etc. realize that Democrats and Republicans have dinner parties together? That they are all investors in the same companies, bribed by the same lobbies, come from the same rich families, etc?

Did you know that Bush and Kerry are distant cousins?

These so-called "leftists" act as though once John Kerry the massachusetts billionaire is in office they can breathe a big sigh of relief. "Whew! The Bush era is over." What nonsense....The exact same forces will still be running the show (i.e. the military-industrial complex will still be deciding American policy at home and abroad).

They don't realize that this exactly how the parties want them to act. That this is how Republicans and Democrats keep their stranglehold on American politics, by creating this imaginary dichotomy, when there really is no difference between the parties on all the most important issues (except abortion, and since I'm pro-life that is certainly no reason for me to want Kerry elected).

So people keep acting like hamsters in a wheel, going on with this tug-of-war..."conservtaives" are to scared to vote for anyone but Bush and "liberals" are too scared to vote for anyone but [insert Democrat party stooge here].....meanwhile both the parties are laughing all the way to the bank.

Yep, have that principled backbone, there Drunken. Good for you.

...of course you'll NEVER get ANYTHING you want out of government!

E V E R

Me, I would love to see a staunch conservative get into office but I know that if all I do is vote for conservatives I KNOW will not win I am allowing someone with anti-American ideas running all the way through their ideology to get into office (that would be ANY democreep).

I have to hold my nose to vote for Bush, but at least with him I have a CAHNCE to get SOME of my desires put into effect. At least I may get a few conservative, constructionalist Judges in position. I may get some taxes lowered. I may get some conservative ideas through by my vote.

If I throw my vote away on a presidential candidate that would never win I am not voting "my conscience" but, rather, I am voting for the socialists in the Democreep party because my vote has been made null and void.

It isn’t ideal. It isn’t the way it should be. But it IS the way it IS.

If someone like Buchanan would come close to winning I would vote for him. (But not Buchanan himself. He is a racist through and through) But if I have to settle for the GOP to get at least some of what I want done, then that is where I will be forced to go.

Meanwhile I will continue to agitate to my representatives for more conservative thought, and I will keep pushing at the grass roots. But the presidential election is NOT the place to make that stand. It is far, far too important to get all prickly. It will allow a scum bag like Al, the screamer , Gore to get into office. Or John, the commie, Kerry. And if these people won office we would have more of the 9/11 type of stuff that Clinton caused. If you are comfortable being part of the cause of such stuff, then you go ahead. Vote for someone you KNOW will loose, or do not vote at all.

But if something like a new 9/11 happens or if we are attacked by China or we are overtaken by the UN or if the constitution is finally thrown out by the left you can blame YOURSELF as much as you can blame the leftists and other such cretins.

I will check the C-Span broadcast regarding Nadar, but last time he was running, he basically said, "white males have been running things long enough."

He seems like a white skinned version of Al Sharpton.

Despite Nadar's arguments otherwise, the Covair was a cool car. It is because of Nadar's disorted vision of economic reality and safety that the country is now budened with expensive, gas guzzling SUVs. Nadar has a proven record of erroneous claims, yet claims to know what is best for consumers and voters in a Marxist kind of way. He would fit in well on the Democratic ticket somewhere but is such an egomaniac he is going to pull this stunt to allow the Smirking Chimp another 4 years.

My guess is that the Democrat party wants Hillary as the next Democrat president, and since this year was not the right time, they are happy Nadar is going to split the Democrat vote.

Nadar's postion on issues he feels are relevent (http://www.votenader.org/issues/index.php)

Caution, font used by Nadar's web designer is almost unreadable.

Originally posted by Volconvo
Go to hell frankiep.


damn dude, any need for that remark?


I hate Nader for his push to ban 3 wheelers back in the 80's. Don't really know much about what he stands for.

Have to bring it up - Ralph Nader is a Lebanese American, fluent in Arabic, and has stated he's pro Palestinian, and that Israel is responsible for most of the violence.

However, his candidacy hurts Democrats and helps Republicans. Democrats are not as pro Israel as Republicans are.

Makes you wonder.

Do we want more than 2 political parties?

Nadar is irrelevant.

He will not get more than 2% in the end.

It is a waste of time to worry about him.

Do we want more than 2 political parties?

When we actually get a second political party, let me know.

Originally posted by Volconvo
I need nader to die. He's making me so angry. Hopefully he won't get the signatures he needs to get into any of the states.

hehehe

Originally posted by Turbostang


When we actually get a second political party, let me know.

:rofl:

Originally posted by ColWTH
Yep, have that principled backbone, there Drunken. Good for you.

...of course you'll NEVER get ANYTHING you want out of government!

E V E R

.

ColWTh, don't you understand? I'm already not getting anything I want out of government. A N Y T H I N G.

Sorry, I'm not going to be a good party-loyalist doggie and hope to get some table scraps. How did you put it? "Meanwhile I will continue to agitate to my representatives for more conservative thought, and I will keep pushing at the grass roots." LOL, yeah, you do that. Good luck getting some falling crumbs from the banquet being had with your tax money.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. You're old-fashioned; a traditionalist. You approach politics like a football game or some other professional sport. You're loyal to a party and nothing will change your mind against it, you even use funny nicknames like "democreeps", etc. to show loyalty to "your team" the Republicans. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and methods, of course. But I'm not like that. I think there are serious and dangerous flaws in the way our country is governed. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe things can stay like they are and the country will keep running smoothly for another 500 years or until the sun dies. Certainly that is a possibility. But regardless, I want things to change, and the least I can do is vote the way I want.

The only thing I really disagree with Nader about is abortion, but since we've had republicans controlling all three branches of government for 2 years now and no headway is being made on that issue, I say screw it. Nader is on the same page as me on my two other main issues, health care and ending the insane "war on drugs". He is also against NAFTA and the WTO, was against the war in Iraq, is not a stooge for Israel, etc. these are important things to me, maybe the most important (aside from abortion), and no other candidate is even remotely offering what I want. So I simply will not vote for them and hope they toss me some table scraps after they take office. Look how well that turned out for the conservatives who voted for George "$500 Billion deficit, and oh hell how about another $17 million for the NEA" Bush. F--- that.


Originally posted by Powerboss
Do we want more than 2 political parties?

I don't even want two. If I were Supreme King I would outlaw political parties entirely. They have been the most destructive force used to fool, manipulate and steal from the American public in our history. The authors of the constitution warned against them and now we see why. Now we are their bitches.

>>>but since we've had republicans controlling all three branches of government for 2 years

Ao you give the GOP 2 years and ignore the damage done by nearly 60 years of Democrats?

LOL

Originally posted by Jay GW
Have to bring it up - Ralph Nader is a Lebanese American, fluent in Arabic.

REALLY?!

Originally posted by Powerboss
Do we want more than 2 political parties?

uh, yes.

The most interesting thing for me in all of this is that the Democrats crying over Nader running just shows me that they really don't have much confidence in their candidate. How about talking up your own people instead of trashing everyone else? Then they go as far to say that Nader should not run!!! Who the hell are they to tell him that he should not run for president when it is his Constitutional right? Where does it say that if you want to run as an independent that the major parties must give you the OK first?

If the Democrats are so nervous about Nader running then they only have themselves to blame. Instead of trying to stop him from running maybe they should focus on making their own candidate more attractive to voters. The Democrats have shown nothing but negativity and mud slinging and that's why I think that they will not this election, even if Nader wasn't running.

I used to respect Nader,now I think he's nothing but an egotisitical SOB.

It won't be like 2000 however,he's not running on a party ticket,he won't be on the ballot in all the states,he's got no money and I don't think most voters are going to make the same mistake they did in 2000.

Even The Nation magazine [which gave Nader a de facto endorsement in 2000] asked him not to run.

Nader himself said yesterday "We're going to lose much of the liberal intelligentsia".

Nader is a loser,so is anyone who votes for him.

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Nader is a loser,so is anyone who votes for him.

Please enlighten us as to why anyone who votes for Nader would be a loser.

Thats a pretty harsh statement. I dont blame if people voted for Nader. The 2 party system sucks. The people of the US are getting tired of the Republicans and Democrats. We want more choices.

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Nader himself said yesterday "We're going to lose much of the liberal intelligentsia".

Nader is a loser,so is anyone who votes for him.


why, because he is not leberal enough? 62.3% of the country aren't liberal either, are they losers?

Originally posted by Kraw



why, because he is not leberal enough? 62.3% of the country aren't liberal either, are they losers?

You already know the answer to that. :|

Nader exposes who the pussy liberals are.

Keep agitating Ralph until the democrats stop being the demotwats.

As much as I'd worry about Nader being a spoiler, go Nader.

We need big money independent campaigns to keep awareness up and activism up.

Originally posted by 302Riz


Please enlighten us as to why anyone who votes for Nader would be a loser.


Anybody on the left who helps Bush is a loser.



Originally posted by Kraw



62.3% of the country aren't liberal either,


Do you have anything to back that remark up with?

I'd say we're pertty much split down the middle.

The closeness of the last election ,the closeness that people on both sides expect of this one,the fact the Senate and House are Republican by a slight majorities [even then,there are a couple of liberal Republicans in the Senate],would all suggest to me that we are a 50/50 country between right and left.

Where does your 62.3 stat come from?

And even if it is right,what does majority have to do with right and wrong?

Majorities have given us Jim Crow,schoolbooks saying the earth was flat and the crucifixtion of Jesus [all of which I've paraphrased from Isben's An Enemy Of The People].

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Anybody on the left who helps Bush is a loser.




Anyone who votes for Nader is sick and tired of the dems and repubs and how they have ruined this country.

So, they are not losers. They just want an alternative.

Originally posted by Truth Teller
Do you have anything to back that remark up with?

Well, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. LOL Where are your reference links to your "Who Said It?" threads.

Example #1. (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50429) You ask who says it, someone answers, and you say yes; but you provide no proof that he did say it. How about a link, hypocrite? I can understand not linking the info to begin with because of the contest-like format, but after you credit the winning answer to someone give us a link as proof.

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Nader is a loser,so is anyone who votes for him.

Anyone who doesn't vote for whoever most closely represents their ideological convictions is a coward and a detriment to our country. In an armed revolution such cowards and phonies would (will?) be the first ones to get smoked. If you can't even put your beliefs on a ballot (which is meaningless in our country anyways really) how could you ever stand for them in real life?

Nobody is "helping" Bush by voting for an independent candidate, and nobody who votes for Kerry is helping this country (unless they actually find themselves in agreement with his record and beliefs, which seems unlikely.)

DHM. You must understand that once someone ceases being a useful idiot of the left they throw him overboard as TT is doing. Just watch the Democrat slime machine go after Nader.

I must also tell you, I respect your opinions on the matter. If Buchanan were running, I would seriously consider the matter.
Some of us righties do have some principle despite our limited options.

I'll vote for Nader, and if any right-wingers had an ounce of nutsack and/or backbone they would vote for Buchanan.

Well, then you are gonna LOVE my nutsack!

Bush wouldn't be president if not for him

Clinton would not have been president if it were not for perot.

I just left the Nader page . From what I read this ' Independant ' is a huge world order and open border man. Imo, he wants to give away the working families money to the rest of the world, what the other two partys have'nt already got that is . Get informed before you toss away a vote to this,imo, one worlder liberal who has more concern with saving the " world " than this conutry. Nothing about borders or immigration , other than helping the jihads and terrorist get free legal services, [ all on US tax-payers of course ] . Then he wants to cater to crimminals . He will enforce the ACLU and make the liberal supreme court look like kids play,imo . My understanding of what I just read, he will gut this country in his quest to save humanity. Beware of a man who thinks he has answers to a 7000 yr. problem .




Also he says he will give the muslems their ' freedom ' Bush took away with Patriot Act. So now they can kill us even more ' freely', how nice !! I'm no fan of Patriot Act, but this is other exstream.


If this arrogant, egotisticle maniac [ IMO ] gets elected at least the blind majority will Wake up in time to see what they lost . I can hear the tree huggers doors slamming now as they dash for the polls ! granny

I just watched some of the rerun of Nadar's presentation on C-Span. Just some quick observations.

His publically speaking ability is only slightly better than the Smirkng Chimp. I am guessing his delivery is so slow and tedious because he is being particularly careful to not scare people away by revealing his radical socialist desire for income redistribution too early.

All of his attacks on election law, the two major parties, and corporations were superficial. There was no recognition of the corporate criminals being brought to justice and he of course made no mention of union corruption. Again, if he was to fully explain his position, it would reveal his hatred for Constitutional Federated Republic that uses a capitalist economic system.

When asked something about immigration, he said he supported worker rights of illegal invaders and legals ever since he first wrote about it in the 1950's. He then floated a theory that a $10 minimum wage would be nice, not realizing that it would put even more people out of work, and he said that if only the US would stop supporting dictators in Central and South Americas, the illegal invaders would stop the invasion. He seemed like a medicated madman.

I also saw the Chimp earlier make a presentation with the 50 Governors, one of whom is the corrupt bastard John Rowland, from my state. The Chimp seemed to have a weird twitching going on with his lower lip. It looked like he might of had some chewing tobacco in there, but since he wasn't spitting the juice into a brass spittoon to the side of the podium, it must have been a nervous twitch.

I will not vote for the lesser of evils .So I guess I won't vote at all. Bush's border policy, immigration of terrorist and his grandpaws connections to some very wicked ,imo ,people ,plus 911 questions , make him a democrat in conservatives clothing. We have had it folks ! Every damn one of them are selling out this country, imo . granny

Originally posted by drunken hearted man
I'll vote for Nader, and if any right-wingers had an ounce of nutsack and/or backbone they would vote for Buchanan.

In fact I'd rather see Buchanan elected than Bush. Something's gotta change in this rotten system. Anyone who votes for Bush or Kerry is part of the problem and really has no room to complain about American government/politicians.
- You're completely right of course. But I don't see it happening unless you give your states individual independence. The system is simply too big to change.

Originally posted by Snouter

Nadar's postion on issues he feels are relevent (http://www.votenader.org/issues/index.php)

Caution, font used by Nadar's web designer is almost unreadable.
- Nader seemes like a decent candidate. I see a lot of issues I agree on there (I just read the headlines however). Especially liked "Wants to make health care universally available", "Wants electoral reform that creates a vibrant, active, participatory Democracy.", "Wants fair trade that protects the environment, labor rights and consumer needs".

How is it really, don't small parties in the US get any power at all?

Originally posted by Powerboss
Do we want more than 2 political parties?
- You do need it to get a healthy political debate going. I notice just by debating on sites like this that people are too stuck in this "there are only two options to everything" thing. :hmm:
Your system is dumbing :o

Originally posted by Turbostang
When we actually get a second political party, let me know.
- :rofl:

Originally posted by BIG GABE
Nader exposes who the pussy liberals are.

Keep agitating Ralph until the democrats stop being the demotwats.
- Like I said; your system is dumbing.

- You're completely right of course. But I don't see it happening unless you give your states individual independence. The system is simply too big to change.

That WAS the original intent :shrug:

How is it really, don't small parties in the US get any power at all?

Unfortuneately they don't.

Originally posted by Turbostang
Unfortuneately they don't.
- You're kidding?!! :eek7:

The party that gets the most votes gets all the power? That's just.... that's a carricature of democracy if that's true :hmm:

- You're kidding?!!

The party that gets the most votes gets all the power? That's just.... that's a carricature of democracy if that's true

I wish I were... It's almost impossible for an independent (meaning non Democrat or Republican) to get on the ballot or get any recognition out of the mainstream media. As such, they rarely pull much more than 2 -3% or so combined. The only two that have had ANY success whatsoever in recent years has been H. Ross Perot and Ralph Nader. I doubt that Nader would even be a blip except for the outcome of the last election.

Does anyone have an explanation why Nadar did not run in the democratic primary as a democrat? What was he afraid of? He could have joined with Sharpton as Al's VP and they could have split off later as the "Ebony and Ivory" ticket.

He says he is totaly against the Democrats and it is his position that they are absolutely no different than the GOP.

But, once again, it is pointless to discuss him. He will not get more than 2% of the vote and he will NOT effect the outcome of this election in ANY way.

Originally posted by Ponycar_302

Well, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. LOL Where are your reference links to your "Who Said It?" threads.

Example #1. (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50429) You ask who says it, someone answers, and you say yes; but you provide no proof that he did say it. How about a link, hypocrite? I can understand not linking the info to begin with because of the contest-like format, but after you credit the winning answer to someone give us a link as proof.


Who said it can be found at www.daytoncitypaper.com under "Ralph Nader and 'Ralph' Keys [actually Alan Keys ] At Miami U".


Who said it Part 2 can be found at www.nytimes.com under "Quayle,Reconsidered" by Calvin Triilin.

The Colin Powell quoted form his autobiography "My American Journey",the Quayle quote is from Quayle's appearance on Meet The Press in 1988.

Now that I've backed up my sources,I'd still like to see Kraw back up his stats.

Originally posted by ColWTH


He will not get more than 2% of the vote and he will NOT effect the outcome of this election in ANY way.

In 2000 he did keep Gore from getting New Hampshire and Florida,but I do agree,this year he will be nothing.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Some people think he is working with the Republicans, but I have a hard time believing that one!!
Does this make the first time ever that Corporate Avenger has ever been skeptical about the plausibility of a conspiracy theory?:eek:

:D

If the country is in such horrific conditions and everything bad is because of Bush as the Democrats say, why are they threatened by Nader so much?

Originally posted by Powerboss
If the country is in such horrific conditions and everything bad is because of Bush as the Democrats say, why are they threatened by Nader so much?

well only Clinton apologists take that stance, I personally don't feel that Bush has been the cause of horrific conditions, but is just a continuation of the same sh*t that was already wrong with the political situation in this country to begin with: phoniness, corruption, lies lies lies, cronyism and collusion, a government that serves only the richest Americans and only tries to present a decent image to the rest to get votes. It was the same with Clinton and would have been the same with Gore, and it will be the same with Kerry.

I know. You are rational and reasonable despite our differences.

I heard yesterday that Nader's an anarcho syndicalist! Is this true? :eek3:

Originally posted by I don't know
I heard yesterday that Nader's an anarcho syndicalist! Is this true? :eek3:

...jesus-up-a-rope :rolleyes:...anarcho-syndicalists
I.E. garden-variety Commie Pinko

"...anarcho-syndicalists believe that workers' organizations -- the organizations which struggle against the wage system and which, in anarcho-syndicalist theory, will eventually form the basis of a new society--should be self-managing."

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/africa/wsfother/what_is_as.html

I dunno that Nader is any more "Anarcho-Syndicalist" than the Exalted Pubah of the "Anarcho-Syndicalists"...or Premiere Bushnev or Comrade Kerrynishka. What I am sure of, is the headquarters for these young "free-thinkers" is located squaar in the heart of a town called, Nevergonnahappensville...just down the road from Animal Farm.

That's the whole Green Party thing. They make some good points about caring about the environment and concern about corruption, but underneath it all is a seething hatred that seeks a communist revolution.

Isn't archano-syndicalism one of those imaginary internet ideologies?

Originally posted by redsteer


...jesus-up-a-rope :rolleyes:...anarcho-syndicalists
I.E. garden-variety Commie Pinko

"...anarcho-syndicalists believe that workers' organizations -- the organizations which struggle against the wage system and which, in anarcho-syndicalist theory, will eventually form the basis of a new society--should be self-managing."

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/africa/wsfother/what_is_as.html

I dunno that Nader is any more "Anarcho-Syndicalist" than the Exalted Pubah of the "Anarcho-Syndicalists"...or Premiere Bushnev or Comrade Kerrynishka. What I am sure of, is the headquarters for these young "free-thinkers" is located squaar in the heart of a town called, Nevergonnahappensville...just down the road from Animal Farm.
- :rofl:
Where's crim?

Originally posted by Snouter
That's the whole Green Party thing. They make some good points about caring about the environment and concern about corruption, but underneath it all is a seething hatred that seeks a communist revolution.
- For some reason I'm feeling very critical towards that statement ;)

Originally posted by Sinclair
Isn't archano-syndicalism one of those imaginary internet ideologies?
- Ask Criminal.

extremeists of any ilk left or right are dangerous. Both Bush and Nader represent extremes. Bush the get me ma gun mentality and Nader the if its got a face you cant eat it mentality. Personally I prefer the i am going to get my gun and shoot it so we can eat it balance. Thats where I see people like Kerry or McCain. Either will make me happy more so McCain.

I see. Kerry of the let the UN run our military and he of voting agaisnt EVERY military bill ever put before him.

THAT isn't extreme?

If that is your idea of "moderate" I would say YOU are an extremist.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that it isn't just about removing Bush from power, it's the whole regime, Cheney, Rice, Perle, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Powell, Abrahms, Negroponte, Poindexter, etc. And then there is the massive PNAC/neo-conservative influence on this administration.

So this isn't about just replacing one elitist with another, while Kerry is a bonesman and will continue on with the empire, it is highly unlikely his administration could come even close to the corruption of the Bush admin. Maybe we'll have more time to restore our Constitutional rights and wake up the sleeping? If Bush wins his second term, the republic is history, and we will all get to see what a real police state looks like. The Patriot act 2, what Ashcroft calls the "victory act" (As in, victory over our liberties) is guaranteed to pass. And then you just try to protest a government action, or attend an anti-war meeting, you'll quickly see what it was like to live under people like Pinochet or Suharto..


A shame it isn't Wellstone running against Bush, but then, if he was, the corporate conservative media would have torn him apart, there's no way in hell they'd let anybody threaten their control..

Originally posted by Sinclair
Does he want the Republicans to win AGAIN?

I mean, what goes through his head? "Gee whiz, I can't possibly get elected, but I'm gonna run anyway and take votes away from the Democrats"?

Is he on the Republican payroll or something?
No, he just believes very strongly in a third alternative to the usual demo-republicrat crap that americans had to choose from for the last 100 years.

Ordinarily I would support Nadar but this year, the main priority must be to defeat Bush!

Originally posted by Criminal


Ordinarily I would support Nadar but this year, the main priority must be to defeat Bush!

Right on brother!:nice:

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Right on brother!:nice:

So then it's simply, a type of vendetta...rather than a consensus regarding Kerry. This is what you're saying, no?

Originally posted by redsteer


So then it's simply, a type of vendetta...rather than a consensus regarding Kerry. This is what you're saying, no?


Of course, and then the "conservatives" will hate Kerry so much they will vote for the next watered-down Anyone But Kerry republican who will keep spending and keep f*cking over the people, because "this time the important thing is just to get [fill in interchangable Party candidate here] out of office".

And so the two will keep jumping back and forth like puppets on a string meanwhile the Republicrat party gets fatter and fatter while the country goes to sh*t.

Yeah, I remember when I first asked an American why he voted Bush. His answer? Guess.

Originally posted by redsteer


So then it's simply, a type of vendetta...rather than a consensus regarding Kerry. This is what you're saying, no?

Your side had [still have in fact] the same vendatta in regards to Clinton,if you can do it,so can we.

But I do like Kerry as well.

Originally posted by Truth Teller


Your side had [still have in fact] the same vendatta in regards to Clinton,if you can do it,so can we.

But I do like Kerry as well.

That could, perhaps, be the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

You're saying that since Republican's supported the due process Clinton was begging for, a vote against Bush is justified. Congratulations...you sir, have turned the laws of logical deduction squarely on it's ass-end.

And further, which "side" do you think I'm on?...Republicans? Not hardly. I support the Diaz Brothers and the justified butchering of that *** Omar Suarez.

Originally posted by redsteer


That could, perhaps, be the dumbest thing I've heard all day.



It shouldn't surprise you. Look who said it.

He also stated that Dean would be the next President. LOL.

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