The NYSlimes is at it again. :p

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082935/posts

BEACHWOOD, Ohio - In the 2000 presidential election, Bill Flanagan a semiretired newspaper worker, happily voted for George W. Bush. But now, shaking his head, he vows, "Never again."

"The combination of lies and boys coming home in body bags is just too awful," Mr. Flanagan said, drinking coffee and reading newspapers at the local mall. "I could vote for Kerry. I could vote for any Democrat unless he's a real dummy."

Mr. Flanagan is hardly alone, even though polls show that the overwhelming majority of Republicans who supported Mr. Bush in 2000 will do so again in November. In dozens of random interviews around the country, independents and Republicans who said they voted for Mr. Bush in 2000 say they intend to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate this year. Some polls are beginning to bolster the idea of those kind of stirrings among Republicans and independents.

That could change, of course, once the Bush campaign begins pumping millions of dollars into advertising and making the case for his re-election.

But even as Democratic and Republican strategists and pollsters warned that a shift could be transitory, they also said it could prove to be extraordinarily consequential in a year when each side is focused on turning out its most loyal voters.

"The strong Republicans are with him," a senior aide to Senator John Kerry said of Mr. Bush. "But there are independent-minded Republicans among whom he is having serious problems." . . .

"The strong Republicans are with him," a senior aide to Senator John Kerry said of Mr. Bush. "But there are independent-minded Republicans among whom he is having serious problems." . . .

hahahahaha...."strong Republicans...". What a laugh.
Ideological automatons is more like it. What self-respecting conservative can say, "Bush is my prefered conservative politican."? He's as centerist as Nixon. Were it not for his irrational Christian zealotry I'd say he'd be up there with John Anderson or H. Humphrey.

If conservatives vote for ANYONE else they will get further socialism (even worse than Bush's), anti-constitutional judges, and UN control of the USA.

I have no respect for any conservative that is too stupid to realize a vote for anyone but Bush is a vote to destroy everything they hold dear.

Look, I am not in love with Bush's centrism, either. but he is far, far better than ANY democrtat that could ever get in office with the National party their way it is.

Originally posted by ColWTH
If conservatives vote for ANYONE else they will get further socialism (even worse than Bush's), anti-constitutional judges, and UN control of the USA.

I have no respect for any conservative that is too stupid to realize a vote for anyone but Bush is a vote to destroy everything they hold dear.

Look, I am not in love with Bush's centrism, either. but he is far, far better than ANY democrtat that could ever get in office with the National party their way it is.

I think Bush supporters and other conservatives will realize this as well. People will see that though they may disagree with Bush on some things that keeping him in office is essential if we want to avoid the country from completely falling into a pussified socialist mess.

If conservatives vote for ANYONE else they will get further socialism (even worse than Bush's), anti-constitutional judges, and UN control of the USA.

Don't forget that Earl Warren himself was appointed by a Republican. Sandra Day O'Connor was appointed by one too.

Look, I am not in love with Bush's centrism, either. but he is far, far better than ANY democrtat that could ever get in office with the National party their way it is.

But, doesn't that beg the question, by voting for a softer version of your ideology don't you, in fact, help push forward the "other side's" agenda? I mean for example, Bush and his increasing the budget for the National Endowment of the Arts. That to me, is no conservative. And people that voted for Bush have, in a sense, helped the very doctrine they claim to rally against. Would you not agree?

Don't you think guys like Buchanan & Keyes would've served this country with, at the very least, more honesty & sincerity than Bushnev? Look at the quotes of Buchanan's from 2000 & 1999:

“...malignant tumor in the intestines of the US economy. Unattended, it will one day kill this country’s tenure as the world’s mightiest industrial power,” Mr. Buchanan said. “A $300 billion annual deficit will strip America of our manufacturing and production base. Manic consumption is a mark of a republic that has passed its apogee, and begun its long descent.”

"...One year later [after signing NAFTA], Mexico devalued the peso. American trade surplus disappeared. We now have a $15 billion trade deficit with Mexico, which means 300,000 American jobs were lost this year. Illegal immigration is soaring."

"Every attempt to establish hegemony incites resentment and hostility. Weaker nations instinctively seek security in each other, creating the very combinations the hegemonists most fear. It is a law of history: The thesis calls into being the antithesis; the weak collude to balance off the strong."

"...If Palestine wants to fight and die and unite the Arab states around them, we cannot stop them. It’s not vital to America’s security whose flag flies over Jerusalem or the Golan Heights."

"...we’ve maintained rigid sanctions on Iraq, resulting in the premature deaths of 500,000 children. Will the parents of those children ever forgive us?...we flout every tenet of Christianity’s Just War doctrine, and build up deposits of hatred across the Arab world that will take decades to draw down. One day our children shall pay the price of our callous indifference to what is happening to the children of Iraq.

"The US should end foreign aid to Israel and Egypt, which runs to $5 billion yearly, and lay out the elements of an honorable peace:
return of the Golan Heights to Syria, and their demilitarization
Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, with a right of return if Hezbollah uses the territory for attacks.

He doesn’t have the tickets that his father did. But that’s not why I oppose Bush. Fundamentally, he supported NAFTA & WTO, which I opposed. He supported an unjust, unconstitutional war in the Balkans, which I opposed. He supports the Clinton/Gore policy toward China, which I consider appeasement. He’s proposed spending about $700 billion in new programs and entitlements. That is not conservatism. We got two parties very close together funded by the same special interests, the same corporate powers. We need a party that will stand up for conservatism, for an America first foreign policy, that will defend our borders, that will defend life, that will speak up for a new Supreme Court that recognizes what its role ought to be. The Republican Party has abandoned ground to imitate Clinton and Gore because it believes that’s the way to win.

Granted, that's alot of reading. But all of those quotes are from 2000 and before. You don't think Buchanan would be better suited as representative of the Conservative model, than our pal Bushnev?

Buchanan is a racist. I would not more vote for him than I would vote for other racists like Sharpton, Jackson et al.

Originally posted by ColWTH
If conservatives vote for ANYONE else they will get further socialism (even worse than Bush's), anti-constitutional judges, and UN control of the USA.

I have no respect for any conservative that is too stupid to realize a vote for anyone but Bush is a vote to destroy everything they hold dear.

Look, I am not in love with Bush's centrism, either. but he is far, far better than ANY democrtat that could ever get in office with the National party their way it is.


Originally posted by frankiep


I think Bush supporters and other conservatives will realize this as well. People will see that though they may disagree with Bush on some things that keeping him in office is essential if we want to avoid the country from completely falling into a pussified socialist mess.


Originally posted by ColWTH
Buchanan is a racist. I would not more vote for him than I would vote for other racists like Sharpton, Jackson et al.

http://web.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/2001/images/ka_flavor_13.gif

Originally posted by ColWTH
Buchanan is a racist. I would not more vote for him than I would vote for other racists like Sharpton, Jackson et al.

hhmmmmm...I haven't seen any evidence Buchanan is a racist. If you have, I'd be interested in looking it over.

Have you not seen statements he has made since the Nixon administrations about *****rs and Jews, etc?

He is WELL known for having made such statements.

Originally posted by ColWTH
Have you not seen statements he has made since the Nixon administrations about *****rs and Jews, etc?

He is WELL known for having made such statements.

I'm not calling you a liar, don't get hostile with your all-caps attitude...I'm just saying I haven't seen any statements I consider racisit from Buchanan. Maybe it was James Buchanan, but not Pat.

To begin with, I'm not sure that being "racisit" impeads the job performance anyway, but for right now...hook me up with the links or post a quote & the source.

Redsteer,

Please do not get mad at me for my caps thing.

It is just my style to emphasize things. I was not being hostile at all, really. A lot of people mistake that for me being mad, but you will see that I ALWAYS use caps somewhere in my posts. Just think of it as an Italian talking with his hands, ha,ha.

As to Buchanan’s racism, I have read it in magazines and books for years. I do not keep "links" on things. I think the last place I read about it was in a book on Reagan called "The Age of Reagan" by Steven Hayward.

Anyway, I have read such things about Buchanan for a long, long time.

I often agree with much of what he says but I just cannot vote for a person I think to be a racist because racism implies a lack of intelligence, a lean away from American principles and a disrespect for the law.

you will see that I ALWAYS use caps somewhere in my posts. Just think of it as an Italian talking with his hands, ha,ha.

Hey...I'm Italian! I think you're racist aganist me and my Goomba brotherhood. hahahahaha.

Originally posted by ColWTH
I often agree with much of what he says but I just cannot vote for a person I think to be a racist because racism implies a lack of intelligence, a lean away from American principles and a disrespect for the law.

I've followed Buchanan for a number of years. being that I've read all the books and the op/ed's, I'm pretty confident the statements you read were either from detractors, infidels or out-of-context.

The most obvious argument against the alleged racisim of Buchanan's is his choice of running mates in the 2000 election, Ezola Foster, a black female from Los Angeles.
http://fluoride.oralhealth.org/papers/2000/washingtonpost091300.htm

Read that profile and tell me that this tandem wouldn't be better than Bush/Cheney. I'd be surprised if you thought they would not.

But besides their qualifications, how can Buchanan be racisit against Blacks?....Jews on the other hand, well who can blame him?

Personally I believe that one should take the opportunity to change the government everytime its offered that way each succesive administration will spend most of its time fixing the obvious errors of the previous administration and a limited amount of time mking new mistakes,