It seems to have become quite a big issue, however, in the 2000 elections it was a complete non-issue.

It was known about then, but there were only a couple of articles in the Boston Globe and then it completely died. Why the change?

I even remember being told whenever I raised the issue on this forum that the allegations couldn't possibly be true because if there was any truth to them they would have been plastered all over the newspapers at election time.

Originally posted by Chris
I even remember being told whenever I raised the issue on this forum that the allegations couldn't possibly be true because if there was any truth to them they would have been plastered all over the newspapers at election time.

Its an issue now because that ******* Kerry made an issue out of it and is making a big deal about his tour of duty in Viet Nam.

Also, that disgusting, fat pig Michael Moore and his pal General Clark had a coordinated effort with Democratic Party Chairman Terry McAuliffeto to charge Bush with being AWOL. Investigators just have to trace back to see how Bush got his honorable discharge to see if there was any conspiracy in that regard.

In 2000, maybe they didn't sling their Vietnam experiences back and forth, because Algore's was slightly controversial also. He had a 2 year enlistment and with 7 months before it expired he was sent as a reporter to Vietnam for a total of 5 months. Despite pictures of him with a rifle, he basically interviewed soldiers who actually participated in battles in Vietnam before leaving 2 months early to attend Vanderbilt Divinity School.

Because the leftist press will do practically anything to beat Bush.

I think it demonstrates several things.

1) They will say anything because their allies in the mainstream media will go along with it.
2) They don't have much else to attack him on.
3) The kooks are in control of their party.


I heard Larry Flynt is going to bring up an abortion charge against Bush.
LOL Bring it on Larry, keep associating yourself with the Democrat party.

Originally posted by Powerboss

LOL Bring it on Larry, keep associating yourself with the Democrat party.

I think democrats would say the same about Ann Coulter and republicans.

Originally posted by drunken hearted man


I think democrats would say the same about Ann Coulter and republicans.

hmm, let's see, Larry Flynt (degenerate pornographer) vs. Ann Coulter (political author/commentator).

Yeah, they're the same :rolleyes:

Originally posted by frankiep


hmm, let's see, Larry Flynt (degenerate pornographer) vs. Ann Coulter (political author/commentator).

Yeah, they're the same :rolleyes:


Coulter makes Flynt look like a choir boy...

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Coulter makes Flynt look like a choir boy...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Whatever you say man.

If you had to choose someone to look after your daughter for a weekend who would it be? Larry Flynt the sleazeball smutmaster or Ann Coulter the political writer?

Next we will be hearing how George W Bush and Adolf Hitler are the same. Oh wait, lefties have already made that ridiculous and insulting comparison.
Maybe Mr. Rogers and Jeffrey Dahmer are the same though...

Originally posted by frankiep



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Whatever you say man.

If you had to choose someone to look after your daughter for a weekend who would it be? Larry Flynt the sleazeball smutmaster or Ann Coulter the political writer?

Next we will be hearing how George W Bush and Adolf Hitler are the same. Oh wait, lefties have already made that ridiculous and insulting comparison.
Maybe Mr. Rogers and Jeffrey Dahmer are the same though...

Or how Kerry is a communist war criminal, or Max Cleland is a lying coward who doesn't deserve the medals he got for bravery in combat.....good thing the "righties" are above that sort of thing.

Originally posted by drunken hearted man


Or how Kerry is a communist war criminal, or Max Cleland is a lying coward who doesn't deserve the medals he got for bravery in combat.....good thing the "righties" are above that sort of thing.

I never said anything about Kerry being a communist war criminal, I just don't like him. I also have never said anything about Max Cleland, ever. Nice try to change the subject though and attempt an attack on someone who points out the utter stupidity of a comparison between Coulter and Flynt. Do you really believe the hate and the charges you spew or is it just a part of the playbook?

I never compared Bush and Hitler or Mr. Rogers and jefferey Dahmer, but you brought up those comparisons when you addressed me. You don't see me spazzing out over it, why don't you settle down and look at what you yourself wrote, then maybe you'll understand things a little better.

This was an equally ignorant and stupid comment...


>>>Coulter makes Flynt look like a choir boy...

Originally posted by Chris
It seems to have become quite a big issue, however, in the 2000 elections it was a complete non-issue.

It was known about then, but there were only a couple of articles in the Boston Globe and then it completely died. Why the change?
there was no war during the 2000 election, but there is one now. many people think that a person that got out of serving in war himself doesn't have the right to order others to go to war

Originally posted by frankiep



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Whatever you say man.

If you had to choose someone to look after your daughter for a weekend who would it be? Larry Flynt the sleazeball smutmaster or Ann Coulter the political writer?

We're not talking about babysitters here are we?

Besides, Larry Flynt makes porn, Coulter spreads hate, her venom that she emits is what should really be considered sleazy trash.



Next we will be hearing how George W Bush and Adolf Hitler are the same. Oh wait, lefties have already made that ridiculous and insulting comparison.


Remember, you guys got caught on that one too, it simply was a lie that the "left" said so.

However, the NY post DID say that Howard Dean and Hitler are the same, I didn't here any outcry about that one. Wonder why..



Maybe Mr. Rogers and Jeffrey Dahmer are the same though...


I don't know what you have against mr. Rogers...

Its an issue now, because he's sending 100s of thousands of men and women into combat.

But we know the AWOL charge is bunk.

What does bringing up a 30 year old allegation have to do with him putting our troops in harms way?
Where is the correlation?

Why is it an issue? Because GW involved us in a war. One that it now appears we perhaps should not have involved us in and as a result many question his qualifications in that regard. All the Republicans come back with is Kerry's record of voting. Check out this story in that regard....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4352277/

WASHINGTON - In a dramatic about-face, the Army canceled its Comanche helicopter program Monday after sinking $6.9 billion and 21 years of effort into producing a new-generation chopper.

The Comanche decision reflects a growing realization in the Pentagon that the military has more big-ticket weapons projects in the works than it can afford, even after seeing the Pentagon budget grow by tens of billions of dollars since 2001.

So why is it wrong to question military spending?

Appears we should not have gotten into?

In WHO'S opinion!?

Don't say that as if it is a foregone conclusion because it absolutely ISN'T!

Why is it an issue? Because GW involved us in a war. One that it now appears we perhaps should not have involved us in and as a result many question his qualifications in that regard.

So what does a 30 year phoney AWOL charge have to do with his ability to be CNC?

Most of the troops love him, it's not like there has been a problem with them taking orders from him.

Whats the issue?

So why is it wrong to question military spending?

There isn't. But what Kerry is being attacke for isn't a matter of just "questioning". It is a matter of a long voting pattern of a poor and niave judgement. Over and over and over there is a pattern of Kerry's anti military voting record. Its not like it was an isolated incident, it is repeated and includes many of the weapons and weapons systems that are now in use.

Originally posted by Powerboss
But we know the AWOL charge is bunk.

What does bringing up a 30 year old allegation have to do with him putting our troops in harms way?
Where is the correlation?
Originally posted by jadatrack
there was no war during the 2000 election, but there is one now. many people think that a person that got out of serving in war himself doesn't have the right to order others to go to war

many people think that a person that got out of serving in war himself doesn't have the right to order others to go to war

I hate to tell you but his unit could've been called up at any time during the conflict.

Blame LBJ for not sending Bush's unit.

Originally posted by Powerboss
I hate to tell you but his unit could've been called up at any time during the conflict.

Blame LBJ for not sending Bush's unit.
eh, the average person won't think of that. bringing up the awol issue was a politcal ploy. people hear on the news "president bush went awol during vietnam" the think "that bastard! what in the hell is he doing sending troops to iraq when he wouldn't even fight in vietnam?" they don't bother to look it up themselves. some may continue to pay attention to the news to find out if the allegations were true or not, but the conlusion won't be aired nearly as much as the accusation, so a less amount of people will get the information.

i wasn't debating whether bush went awol or not, i was just answering the first question of why it was brought up now and not in the 2000 election.

eh, the average person won't think of that.


Obviously. That is why I am here.:p

i wasn't debating whether bush went awol or not, i was just answering the first question of why it was brought up now and not in the 2000 election.

It was brought up in 2000, and in 96 when he ran for Governer.

Thats what is amazing. The liberals, and their allies in the media, are pretending that it had never been investigated.
That is what is so ridiculous about the entire affair.

Originally posted by Powerboss
Obviously. That is why I am here.:p
well, you're obviously not the average member of the electorate. eh, the allegations weren't really meant to appeal to you anyways. it's more for those swing voters out there. :p
It was brought up in 2000, and in 96 when he ran for Governer.

Thats what is amazing. The liberals, and their allies in the media, are pretending that it had never been investigated.
That is what is so ridiculous about the entire affair.
oh, i didn't know it was brought up in the past. i just know that it's a big deal now. well, all those things i said before apply to it being more important now too: it's the war

This is from a newsweek article I read this morning and it really says I think what many feel about the war.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4389368/

War heroes are a special group. We hear the stories, shake our heads, and we wonder: would I have been able to risk my life, crawl that far, plunge into the sea, reach my arm out for another knowing it could mean my life? We don’t expect people to become heroes, but we’re glad that some have been. In the end, we just want to know: where did you stand during a time in history that carved up lives and hearts and an entire country? “What did you do in the war?” is not as important as “Who were you in the war?”

It doesn’t matter how long ago some events occurred; they will always be immediate and important. The Vietnam War is one of those events. A generation was forged in its turmoil and has grown up in its shadow. "The V.C. seems to come out of the mist, silent as ghosts," my friend wrote to me so long ago. In many ways it was a war of ghosts and they haunt us still. In the end there is only one stark thing that war asks of us: to tell the truth.

The point now is not to scoff at somebody who scored the easy road of National Guard duty, and even figured out how to avoid some of it … if that’s what happened. We just want to know, and we want to know truthfully. Because we all have a war story from those years, and if you know that story you know a lot about who we are now.