The National Security Agency, also known as the No Such Agency, has long been monitoring the lives of American citizens to protect us from ourselves. But to what lengths will they go in the name of national security?

Something to think about: When NASA launched the Galilleo probe, they held a press conference about it. One reporter asked how NASA planned to track the space probe.
"By the radiation it puts off," came the response.
"Well, how much radiation does it put off?"
"About as much as a wristwatch."

In the 1960s, the government had the technology to trace a person by their wristwatch.

Is there any semblance of privacy truly left in society?

My brother was in the Navy and was a UNIX specialist for the NASA. He told me about all kinds of crazy stuff they had out there. He said there are satelite photos of terrorist training camps where you could count the hairs on the guys arms they were so clear. He is under the impression that if we wanted to we could know where anyone was at anytime. He said Enemy of the State with Will Smith wasn't far fecthed at all.

Odd thing is now he's this anti-war guy. Funny to me.

Originally posted by Stage Monster
The National Security Agency, also known as the No Such Agency, has long been monitoring the lives of American citizens to protect us from ourselves. But to what lengths will they go in the name of national security?

Something to think about: When NASA launched the Galilleo probe, they held a press conference about it. One reporter asked how NASA planned to track the space probe.
"By the radiation it puts off," came the response.
"Well, how much radiation does it put off?"
"About as much as a wristwatch."

In the 1960s, the government had the technology to trace a person by their wristwatch.

Is there any semblance of privacy truly left in society?


The NSA does not monitor US citizens on US soil .... Get real.

What you need to worry about is weather you crackpots will elect someone (a socialist democrat) into office that will use "it" on the us citizens.

You mean like J. Edgar Hoover used the FBI?

Originally posted by 92Notch



The NSA does not monitor US citizens on US soil .... Get real.

What you need to worry about is weather you crackpots will elect someone (a socialist democrat) into office that will use "it" on the us citizens.


Uh.. Ever hear of Echelon? They monitor every phone conversation in this country.

And we are already screwed, the real crackpots already elected a tyrant who is busy hammering away at our freedoms.

Originally posted by Stage Monster
You mean like J. Edgar Hoover used the FBI?


Or how Ashcroft brought it back? But's it's ok, as long as a conservative does it.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Uh.. Ever hear of Echelon? They monitor every phone conversation in this country.


outside of this country, chief. ... not inside.

30 years ago, surveillance photos were used by the NSA that could read the licence plate of a car.

Nowadays they can read the serial number printed above a bar code off of a box of cookies in your grocery bag.

The Hubble space telescope points out towards the stars, and you don't think that, with the U.S. putting up 2 new sattelites each year (on average), there aren't some pointing down?

Originally posted by Stage Monster
30 years ago, surveillance photos were used by the NSA that could read the licence plate of a car.

Nowadays they can read the serial number printed above a bar code off of a box of cookies in your grocery bag.

The Hubble space telescope points out towards the stars, and you don't think that, with the U.S. putting up 2 new sattelites each year (on average), there aren't some pointing down?

I am aware of certain technologies employed by the DOD.... I'm sure their capabilities extend past my imagination .... What I'm saying is they do not use those systems on US citizens; it's not legal.

And a government agency that can't be monitored or detected would have next to no way of being caught doing something illegal. You're idealizing (sp?) the world you see as one in which the government obeys the laws.

Originally posted by Stage Monster
And a government agency that can't be monitored or detected would have next to no way of being caught doing something illegal. You're idealizing (sp?) the world you see as one in which the government obeys the laws.

"We" can not conclude/prove one way or the other. To do so would land us in jail :)

Damn loopholes..

http://www.actionamerica.org/echelon/echelonsubv.html