Ok, I'm curious as to who has been involved in a relationship that started online? How has it worked out?

I have talked to a number of people over the last few years, and it seems to be running about 50%. Seems about half have had an overall positive experience, and the other half have had horror stories.

I tried it for a little while myself, and discovered there are some WIERD people out there!

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Artist formerly known as Reindeer

That other post I have started online. Before long I found myself packing bags to move to New York with her. I'd chalk it up as a failure, but definitely not as a bad experience.

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Seven stage denial to break the pieces further
To whisper on the wind how you can't appease me further
To color all your words with the stain of introspection
To hope to realign the webs of fate we're spinning

Well, I guess in your case, a fair question is if you would do it again?

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Artist formerly known as Reindeer

Naw. This time I'd just...stay there. It was the distance that killed us. The whole long-distance thing is like nightshade to a relationship. The internet is a good platform for introductions, but it's no way to really get to know a person. I didn't care a bit for that girl until long after we'd met in person. At that point, internet was just a means for communication, and a pretty half-@$$ one at that.

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Seven stage denial to break the pieces further
To whisper on the wind how you can't appease me further
To color all your words with the stain of introspection
To hope to realign the webs of fate we're spinning

i have "dated"...or attempted to date a few people i have met online.

One stood me up...

one was a very nice date..but it didn't turn into anything.

and one i am still seeing...it's was a GREAT relationship..but it's slowly tapering off...but because of busy lives and such.

it's not a bad thing to meet people on line..just don't get diluted and fall in love with someone you have never met on the web.

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"The only thing i know is that i don't know"
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oh..there was another....


but that one was just a date as well...


she turned out to be like 2 times my hight..and she was a bit odd..but it was a nice coffee date....she was interesting...

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"The only thing i know is that i don't know"
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I have met a few people from the net, but never with the intent to date any of them. (and it never lead to that down the road either.)

The closest thing I've come to dating a person off of the net is a friend met a girl on the net, and a year later I met her through him (at a party) and we started going out.

As far as what I think about it...

I don't think there is a 'problem' inhrent with dating on the net. I mean it is almost the same as meeting someone at a bar or a nightclub and going home with them. (though I don't particularly agree with that either.) The problem with net dating is when things start becoming fantasy. When you develope expectations before you even meet the person. Also, when it becomes a regular, habitual thing that sometimes replaces a 'real' social interaction, I think that is also a problem.

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Manu Narayan

I think the main problem is that people aren't really themselves online. I met a guy online (a good friend's best friend from home, so not a total stranger) and ended up dating him for 8 months. It worked out ok, but it was like I was dating two different people - the online one and the in-person one. People talk differently online, their personality is a bit different (especially in that people say things online that they would *never* say in person). So you get used to what someone is like online, start liking that personality, get to know them...and then you meet them and they're a different person.

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"I have no regrets. Regret only makes wrinkles." - Sophia Loren

Well people are open and honest (usually) on the net because they dont have to look you in the eyes... they can be much more blunt cause they cant see hurt expressed in words...

anyways its not a big deal in my mind...

Mo hit it all

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Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?
George Carlin

Online dating...

I've definitely had my share of experiences with online dating. In fact, the last two guys I dated--our first interaction was online, even though we went to the same college. The first guy turned out to be my boyfriend of 6 months. We had a mutual friend who gave him my SN, and after 2 weeks of talking online, we met and were together from that day on. But, the other guy only turned into someone who I dated for a couple weeks. The pathetic thing is that even after we met in person, he seemed to like interacting with mex online and would never pick up the phone and call me! So, I think as long as you use the Internet as the launching point of a relationship, and not have it be the only way communication occurs, then online dating can be healthy and work. It really all just depends upon the person as well.

As some of you know, I'm dutch. My girls' american and we hooked up online, met a couple times and now she's coming over here to study for a half year. We're doing great.

I've seen many people hook up, even marry, but it hardly ever ends well. All i can say is that i have faith and that i'll prove all the negative-thinkers wrong. Mark my word.

Online dating is sucks. I had cybersex once and got my "Floppy disk" stuck in the CD-Rom drive.

All i can say is that i have faith and that i'll prove all the negative-thinkers wrong. Mark my word.[/B]

Good to see you have faith in your relationship http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif I am sure that everything will wokr out fine!

On another note I think online relationships can be a positive thing. Its definatly becoming more "mainstream" then it has been in the past.It's a good way to get to know someone to see if your compatable I think. I think the problem is, is that people abuse this and do it to often. To where it is not serious but somewhat fantasy. They go from person to person trying to fill some void. Now THAT is where I think that they can be bad. but if you meet someone one day and click and it works out for you guys, I think it's totally awesome!

my mom is engaged to someone she met online. they are perfect for each other and are completely happy together. they have been together for a year or so now.

I've been dating a nice girl I met on a hobby board back in August. No complaints from me.

It seems like a waste of time, But if its the only method you can stand to meet people, then use it. Try to find people in a near area.

Originally posted by slayr420:
... I had cybersex once and got my "Floppy disk" stuck in the CD-Rom drive.

LOL. Not sure, but I think you are supposed to put the hard drive in there.

A friend of mine has AOL (I think AOL is worse than Microsoft as far as monopolistic practices go) and he has met a number of oriental broads via the chatrooms for dates. He usually offers to pay for their transportation and related expenses.

I was visiting him in Manhattan Beach, CA, a while back and he was chatting one time with a white broad from Massachusetts. He stepped away to talk on the phone so I continued talking to the broad. What kind of nipples she had, etc. She was very forthcoming with info and also posted naked pics. My friend returned from his call and was annoyed that I was chatting in his place so he asked her to call up and talk to me. I lived closer to her anyway and might be able to date her.

I found it extremely amusing and ran out of the room laughing when she did in fact call. Hind sight, I should have taken it seriously and gotten a date out of it. Sex would have been a sure thing as long as I didn't puke on her or something.

C.T., I'm 31 with a kid, so it's tough for me to find people that are okay to date. The whole club/bar/dance scene around me is geared towards the 18-23 crowd, and honestly, I don't care for staring at a bunch of teeny-boppers while trying to avoid 19 year old boys looking for a fight after their first beer (ever!). I just can't do it.

That being said, I think it's really strange to "meet" someone on the net who's female, 16-21, attractive, and on ICQ at 9:00 on a Saturday. It's like the WHOLE social world is geared around them yet they're at home on the net. I never figured that one out. If I was 16-22, it would be a cold day in hades before I'd spend my weekends on the net. That's just me, though.

Durden- I am 18 and recently I have been spending more time at home relaxing or on the net. For some reason I am really sick of the whole party/hangout thing that I have been doing for the last several years. It really gets old after a while. My friends always call and want to go out but I don't take them up on the offers as much. I can only club sooooo much and "hangout" so much. I feel for the most part its a waste of my time. I really would rather catch a good movies, a new art exibit, go dancing (to jazz) or even some theatre. Things my friends arent really interested in. Thank God my man is cultured and enjoys the same things I do http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif
As far as the net goes. I enjoy talking to my best friends (all who reside in different states) and getting to chat with all you wonderful people here http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif Half these topics my friends wouldn't know a damn thing about...or they could care less... a shame!

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Right on AGirl.

I think Durden's point was that he wouldn't spend it looking for 'love' or a 'relationship' online.

I mean, I do get online when I get in on the weekends, and most of the time when im just sitting around home off of work.

Really, it comes down to not doing 'social' things in palce of the net. And I just couldn't see myself doing that. Sure once in a while we wanna stay in, or I don't feel like going to a party. But a habitual thing of staying in or going home, basically just to 'play' on the computer...that is a problem...

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Manu Narayan

I don't think that peoples main attention on the net is to fine "love" perhaps sometimes they run into it, who knows. I have my spells, when I get sick of going out. My dad owns a bar, I do they partying thing 7 nights a week, it gets old. My friends are all married except one whom lives in another state. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/frown.gif So, As Angel says I communicate online some..perhaps more than I should. I know my limits though, if the computer crashes I will not have withdrawals.. I will jsut spend my free time on the phone catching up http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif

Back to the subject, Online dating, I can tell you that is not my goal. If by chance I meet someone who catches my attention and circumstances permit perhaps..I could do it, no problem, because I am that type of person, granted it will be hard. As for now, I am keeping my eyes open all around me..who knows what may pop up..

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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
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I guess my current relationship is classified as an internet relationship in some way. After a couple weeks of talkin in this room, I found out these girls were the same age, lived close-by, and eventually they invited me to a party. Going in to the party with only their personal descriptions (I figured if they were nasty, I'd chat and get bombed) ... started hittin it up with this chick, and found out later it was one of the two I've been talkin to, and so four years later, here I am. Sounds somewhat like a movie, a horror movie.

Not legally.

Slayr: That is how you met wifey...coolness..

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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
-Joseph Addison

Even funnier is I met the previous girlfriend the same way (except it was before the internet, we used local BBS's). Found out she lived down the street, a whole 6 houses over, and did lots of drugs. It seemed perfect until I walked in on her doing like six guys at once and asked me to join in.

Slayr . . . you married??

Nah, he just calls his woman, wifey... Weird I know..But we are talking about Slayr here.

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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
-Joseph Addison

Originally posted by Turbostang:
Ok, I'm curious as to who has been involved in a relationship that started online? How has it worked out?

I have talked to a number of people over the last few years, and it seems to be running about 50%. Seems about half have had an overall positive experience, and the other half have had horror stories.

I tried it for a little while myself, and discovered there are some WIERD people out there!


I did form a long distance relationship with someone I met online. The problem was that she was in Oklahoma, about a thousand miles away. We only met three times. After a couple of years we both got tired of it. I think that it can be a good thing to meet online. You can chat back and forth and you can usually sense if the person is right. It is especially exciting to meet someone face to face for the first time.

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If thinking for myself is a crime I plead guilty.

Oh, that's all crap . . . Ask LisaGT how crappy the online guys are . . . she ended up with a real loser . . .

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

Im at work so I will make this short..

I had online 'friendship/relationships' with about 3 different girls from 1994-1997, almost met all 3 at different times, but didnt cause I was too young, too scared and they were too far away.

Starting in January of 1999 I started talking with this one chick online. We talked online daily (about 2-3hrs a day) for 5 months. Starting in March we talked on the phone about 1 hr per day. In June I flew out to meet her. She lived in Bay Area of California, I was in Chicago. I took a big risk, I didnt have a lot of money and my friends and family did NOT support this venture.

Man we had a blast, one of the best weeklong trips in my life. It is hard to describe the experience other than unbilieveable. I flew out there every 30-40 days (youch a lot of $$) She flew out to visit 2-3 times.

By about august both our families and friends supported our relationship.

December 28th 1999 I proposed to her at Starbucks in pleasonton CA.

We were wed July 15th 2000. Been married for 1 year 2 months. Its been great, never been happier in my life.

EVERYTIME we go somewhere or meet someone they always have to hear our story because they can't bilieve how we got together.

Sometimes I still can't beilieve it. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif

That is really great Adam. :-)

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Manu Narayan

I have tried online dating...I didn't go out looking for a relationship, it just kinda happened. It didn't work simply because of time issues...I was never home to be on the computer or on the phone and he got pissed. I wasn't gonna stop doing stuff with my friends to stay home to talk to him.

What I find strange is how many YOUNG people are on the computer "dating". I mean, hey, I admit that I've met a WONDERFUL lady on the net (StangNet, actually), and we're perfectly happy together. BUT, I'm 32 and she's about my age, and, honestly, the single life for me in my area was NOT that good. If I'd have been 22, hell, I wouldn't have been on the computer.

But, I get random hits all the time from guys and girls who are 16-23 and out looking for love. Crap, a few that I've talked to had NEVER been on a real, in-person date and were 20 or something. It was like "yeah, me and this guy have been dating about 5 or 6 months . . . I really love him, and we have everything in common . . . next year we're going to see if we can't meet somewhere if we can . . . " WHAT?????

And, of course, I know what you're thinking. These people are probably hideous, right? Well, SOME are, but some of them have their own websites and their dolls. I mean, one of these chicks is like captain of her basketball team, homecoming queen, and has NEVER been out on a date (met her on a political board, of all places?!).

I keep thinking that either these young people are GREAT at creating fake lives to live or they're serious.

I know this . . . when I was 16, I was WAY out of the house trying to MEET people . . . and hopefully end up alone with the cute ones. Online friends would have been a last resort . . .

It bothers me sometimes that so many young people are at home on computers instead of out interacting with people in the "real" world. I think it's going to really hurt them in the long run.

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

I understand Adam.. Thanks for clearing that up..Like I said you made a good point.. You know me..just want to contradict.. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif

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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
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Originally posted by Princess:
You know me..just want to contradict.. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif


Actually I don't know you. But I do now, so Ill be sure to remember your a contradictor http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

Originally posted by D Durden:
What I find strange is how many YOUNG people are on the computer "dating". I mean, hey, I admit that I've met a WONDERFUL lady on the net (StangNet, actually), and we're perfectly happy together. BUT, I'm 32 and she's about my age, and, honestly, the single life for me in my area was NOT that good. If I'd have been 22, hell, I wouldn't have been on the computer.

But, I get random hits all the time from guys and girls who are 16-23 and out looking for love. Crap, a few that I've talked to had NEVER been on a real, in-person date and were 20 or something. It was like "yeah, me and this guy have been dating about 5 or 6 months . . . I really love him, and we have everything in common . . . next year we're going to see if we can't meet somewhere if we can . . . " WHAT?????

And, of course, I know what you're thinking. These people are probably hideous, right? Well, SOME are, but some of them have their own websites and their dolls. I mean, one of these chicks is like captain of her basketball team, homecoming queen, and has NEVER been out on a date (met her on a political board, of all places?!).

I keep thinking that either these young people are GREAT at creating fake lives to live or they're serious.

I know this . . . when I was 16, I was WAY out of the house trying to MEET people . . . and hopefully end up alone with the cute ones. Online friends would have been a last resort . . .

It bothers me sometimes that so many young people are at home on computers instead of out interacting with people in the "real" world. I think it's going to really hurt them in the long run.


i see your point dave, but it's a different generation than yours. ten years ago, there was hardly such a thing as the internet and more less people that could use it. now kids are wired harder than switchboard. it's easy to use and more people know how to use it than don't. as such, there are going to be more of these on line relationships that you hear about. i would't be surprised if ten years from now, things like video phones were the norm and you'll hear about even MORE people taking up these long distance relationships. if two people honestly and truly want something. there is nothing that can stop them. who's to say they aren't right? i myself have plenty of friends have a normal social life and go out on the weekends, yet i am involved in just such a venture. does that make me a nerd? hardly? i've probably done things that would scare you. am i unpopular, uncool, not accepted, in dire need of friends? as i stated earlier, no i am not. i see that you and lisa have met over the internet and settled in together and are in the process of living happily ever after. that's great for you, but why knock the ones that are following in your foot steps? i don't think age matters. if your 32 or 22, that's no excuse. i'm not trying to flame, just looking at it from another angle. i also see that you post QUITE frequently for someone that has such a stimulating life...


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there are two ways to go through life. to believe everything or to doubt everything. both ways keep you from thinking.

Hehehehehe . . . no offense, but what have you done that would scare me? LOL!

I hear ya', and I can understand, but I guess what I think is sad is that people are losing that personal interaction and the learning of social skills.

I mean, on the net, you can be whoever you want to. You can lie and pretend and whatever . . . and people do daily. It's a shame. Also, people go off into rants because there's NOTHING you can do to someone over the net. Face it, in "real" life, you're probably not going to go mouthing off at anyone and everyone just because. On the net, you can. And, if you're tired of taking crap, you can change your identity.

I just think the net isn't condusive to people learning who they REALLY are OR developing basic social skills. When Lisa and I met, we were already VERY adept at interpersonal relationships. We have kids, ex-whatevers, and years of dating experience. We've ALREADY been through that stuff. We simply needed a media to connect through. A teenager who devotes ALL of their social efforts through a keyboard is losing out on a lot.

Think about this. You're 14 and you spend 2 years in a "relationship" with someone from Ogden, Utah. You finally get the chance to meet them, and they turn out to be either a 6 year old kid, a 55 year old janitor, or a group of people duping you. That would DESTROY some kid. And, I'm afraid the internet is going to do a lot of that. Not only did you destroy this person's faith in humanity, but you just robbed him/her of YEARS worth of experience dealing with the real world.

I've NEVER had an ICQ message hug me. I've never had one roll over in the morning and kiss me. I've NEVER had one give me a look from across a room that said "hmmmmmmm . . . we need to, uh, talk later . . ." I've never fallen in love at first sight on Yahoo Messenger. I'd just hate to that the internet rob someone of that, you know?

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

I'm so bloody tempted to argue this one, say it COULD theoretically work. I could say that everyone has a certain someone out there and that you can't just limit yourself to your geography. All these are valid arguments, when viewed from an ideological standpoint.

But here's the thing: you have to fail. You will NOT find your true love the first day you go outside. You won't find your true love on your first web board, or in your first chat room. You will not find your true love on your first computer video dating service, your first blind date, or your first kidnapping. It's not going to happen. You are going to fail.

The problem is: it's too easy to kid yourself. If you look for something hard enough, you'll see it. You'll convince yourself that you've found it, and you're probably kidding yourself. Long-distance relationships held exclusively over the internet are loaded with unknowns; little blanks that you can fill in on your own, and will, subconsciously, to make virtually anyone into your ideal mate. Illusion is typically more attractive than reality.

What Dave's saying is that the illusion is a waste of time, and he's right, to a degree. By the moment, it's joyous, totally worthwhile. But there will be regret, in the end. You will feel like you've wasted your life. That's what he's trying to protect the world from. Regret. Can't fault a man for that.

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"He'd watched her sleep with her fists clenched, tormented by nightmares of gleaming, blond archangels, implacable in their armor, as dogmatic as the God who made them march in time." ~Arturo Pérez-Reverte

Once again I have to mention how people view this subject differently depending on their social standpoint (intro/extroverted)

I HAVE had situations where I spent, maybe a YEAR of online discussion with a chick to finally realize that she is wrong for me!

I didn't view that as time WASTED, I didn't REGRET what happened. I don't feel that the 5 years where I spent long periods of time online HINDERED me in anyway, ESPECIALLY socially.

In fact, I was so real-life socially withdrawn I didnt goto ANY of my HS Dances, including Prom.

If anything I feel that I am EXCESSIVELY equipped with the understandings or at least fimiliarities of thousands of different personality types. Instead of making mistakes in real-life situations, I read about others and made a point to learn from them. I sucked in information, text, and conversations from more people on the internet in 5 years than I could probably find in real life in a life time.

There are PROs and CONs, but the Kids/Children who are going to be the ones 'wasting' time online are gonne be the ones like me. The ones like you will still be out with the masses socalizing.

It all boils down to Introverts vs. Extroverts.

Introverts: Find relationships on the internet, don't like meeting new people in real life.

Extroverts: Hunt for chicks and like meeting new people.

Introverts: Sometimes don't like talk on the phone, or having unecessary conversations.

Extroverts: Like talking to people on the phone or real life.

Extroverts think Introverts need to get out more and mingle socially.

Introverts think Extroverts chit-chat with people too much and don't have deep enough relationships.


Many, if not the majority of people you will find on the internet (teens especially) are going to be Introverts. The Internet suits us perfectly by allowing us to get to know the way someone thinks before we actually get to know the person.

However, you are right in saying that the girl who said she was 'in love' before even meeting the person was overboard. That is the internet equivlent of puppy love.

To give you an example of how well my wife and I knew each other online: When she was typing I could tell her emotions just by the words she was using in her text and punctuation. Its kind of like how people pick up on someones body-language, we could pick up on our text styles, and I dont mean using emoticons either.

Originally posted by AdamJ:
It all boils down to Introverts vs. Extroverts.

Introverts: Find relationships on the internet, don't like meeting new people in real life.

Extroverts: Hunt for chicks and like meeting new people.

Introverts: Sometimes don't like talk on the phone, or having unecessary conversations.

Extroverts: Like talking to people on the phone or real life.

Extroverts think Introverts need to get out more and mingle socially.

Introverts think Extroverts chit-chat with people too much and don't have deep enough relationships.


Many, if not the majority of people you will find on the internet (teens especially) are going to be Introverts. The Internet suits us perfectly by allowing us to get to know the way someone thinks before we actually get to know the person.

However, you are right in saying that the girl who said she was 'in love' before even meeting the person was overboard. That is the internet equivlent of puppy love.

To give you an example of how well my wife and I knew each other online: When she was typing I could tell her emotions just by the words she was using in her text and punctuation. Its kind of like how people pick up on someones body-language, we could pick up on our text styles, and I dont mean using emoticons either.

I have to disagree and perhaps I am an exception to the rule..But I am an extrovert, people person..love to meet new people, go out.. Yet, I have met ppl on the internet, and enjoyed there company and what not.. I think your analysis is good, Adam, I just dont fully agree..

Dave, not everyone young that plays on the net have no life.. Hell, my life is so hectic...I never stopm yet I still find time to chat with my friends on the net, usually before bed time. I think "online dating" is not a bad thing. Just because some people are immature abouit, I think it is just ridiculous to say young people are "silly" for doing it.



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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
-Joseph Addison

Well I didn't necessarily mean it as a rule. "Many, if not the majority of people you will find on the internet (teens especially) are going to be Introverts."

I was just trying to point out that the Introverts tend to take it a level further...

Certainly there are many Extroverts who participate in online communities...

And also using Intro/Extrovert is a moot point, because many people are 'borderline' 50/50 mixes...

Okay . . . good point, and I will agree to "to each his own", BUT, if you think you can learn all of life's little leassons from studying others . . . hehehe, you can't!

From the feedback I get, people seem to think I give decent advice . . . sometimes pretty crude, but generally accurate. I've learned from lots of people's mistakes, BUT, hehehehehe, MAN have I done some lulu's! The kicker is that I was doing them WHILE giving good advice to other people. Sometimes, you just have to go out there and touch the damn stove and FEEL what hot is . . . even though you know it's going to hurt.

Regret is the WORST thing in the world. When my marriage went the way of the WTC (or, more accurately, the WTC went the way of my marriage!), the BIGGEST pain other than the hurt I was going to cause my son was regret . . . "WHY did I waste my time trying to make this work . . . WHY did I give up some many good years pursuing something impossible?" I can't imagine "waking up" 23 years old and having the only romantic experiences in my portfolio is a CD-R filled with old ICQ messages along with 2 plane tickets and a few hotel receipts.

To me, the risk is just too high. Add to that MANY of these "kids" growing up with their social lives based around who's online are entering the "real" world and having major problems. At work, you can't "logout" when the boss is on your ass. You can't change your identity or block someone's EMails. You HAVE TO deal with people. There aren't patches or cheat codes like Evercrack or UO. And, as cool as it would be, you can't go to EBay to get yourself a better personality, brain, or big tits (I've looked . . . trust me!).

Sometimes you need to be FORCED into situations requiring you to deal with things you don't want to. It's a significant part of growing up.

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

And I completely agree with you there. You certainly can't learn everything from the internet/book.

You are right to say youngins need real life experience, as much so that I didnt 'go out' with friends I did have a Job that put me in stressful person-to-person interaction that many people would try to avoid. (I was the tech manager of a PC Shop, so I was managing Techs who were older than I and I delt face to face with many a customer threating to physically damage me) LOL

I also have met some technically inclined people (computer/network wise) but because of the lack of social & communication skills don't get the recognition or job position they should as an adult.

When I made my other post, I neglected to remember think of the real-life experiences and mistakes I had made, therefor I lean more towards your expression that you need a balanced social life to not be an Internet Hermit. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif