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Criminal
10-17-2003, 08:19 PM
http://www.sinnfein.ie/history

I don't necessarily agree with these guys but I do believe in giving the devil his due. I do think they make a pretty good case.

Throughout history, the island of Ireland has been regarded as a single national unit. Prior to the Norman invasion from England in 1169, the Irish had their own system of law, culture and language and their own political and social structures. Following the invasion, the island continued to be governed as a single political unit, as a colony of Britain, until 1921.

At various times over the next 800 years Irish men and women resisted British rule and attempted to assert Irish independence. Between the years 1916 and 1921 Irish nationalists waged a combined political and military campaign against British occupation. In 1920 partition (dividing Ireland into two sections - the 26 and Six Counties) was imposed by a British Act of Parliament. The consent of the Irish people was never sought nor freely given.

Unionist Rule

Throughout the 19th Century and until partition in the 20th Century the British Government provided its colonial rule in Ireland with a cover of 'democracy'. In the changed conditions of a partitioned Ireland it now used the wishes of Irish Unionists in North East Ireland as justification for its continued occupation.

Within the Six-County statelet the British government fostered political division between Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants through a system of political, social and economic privilege. The in-built manufactured unionist majority meant continuous government by the Unionist party. Today the unionist community represent some one in five of the Irish nation.

For nationalists, life under Stormont rule meant institutionalised discrimination, electoral gerrymandering and human rights abuses and sectarian pogroms instanced by a sectarian state. Indeed patterns of discrimination which existed at this time remain today with nationalists still 2.5 times more likely to be unemployed.

Civil Rights

Organised discontent began to emerge in the late 1960s, leading to the formation of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association. Their moderate demands were:-

• One person, one vote;

• An end to the gerrymandered local government boundaries;

• An end to discrimination in the allocation of housing;

• An end to discrimination in employment;

• The repeal of the repressive Special Powers Act.

These demands were viewed by the unionist majority as a threat to their privileged position. But the violent reaction of the state shocked the world as television cameras relayed scenes of unprovoked attacks on civil rights marches and demonstrations.

As widespread political unrest spread, on August 14th 1969, British soldiers were deployed into Belfast and Derry. Within a relatively short period came the introduction of curfews in nationalist areas, internment without trial and the murder by British Paratroopers of 14 unarmed civilians in Derry on Bloody Sunday in 1972. Within weeks of this massacre the British Government abolished its local assembly, Stormont, and resumed direct rule.

SpabSFW
10-18-2003, 03:43 AM
Good subject Crim.

Will post to it as I have time to collect sources.

I do agree with the vast majority of their positions as what they are working for is equal opportunity and civil rights for all.

:)

IFF
10-18-2003, 06:22 AM
While this does seem to be mostly factually true they are just leaving out some facts like when nationalist areas were under attack and a possible threat of "invasion" iun the seventies, who stoped the unionists from attacking and invading these areas? Not the IRA but the British Army

grafiti on walls in these nationalist areas read "I.R.A. - I Ran Away"

Truth Teller
10-18-2003, 05:20 PM
I agree with their cause and the goal of a united Ireland,I can't agree with the violence [though I understand it].

Criminal
10-18-2003, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by IFF
While this does seem to be mostly factually true they are just leaving out some facts like when nationalist areas were under attack and a possible threat of "invasion" iun the seventies, who stoped the unionists from attacking and invading these areas? Not the IRA but the British Army

grafiti on walls in these nationalist areas read "I.R.A. - I Ran Away"

That comment was cute!

I rember seeing "In the Name of the Father" and would advise everyone else to see it as well. It showed that the IRA actually had a harsher form of justice than the civil authorities. I remeber the scene when Daniel Day Lewis was caught with stolden goods and that IRA dude was about to shoot him in the knee. Later his friend was killed by the IRA for something.

SpabSFW
10-19-2003, 12:11 AM
To an extent, the role of the PIRA acting as an alternate 'police presence' in some parts of some cities has to do with the lack of an effective and impartial real policing presence.

Trust levels for RUC/PSNI remain quite low and probably for good reason though recent changes seem to indicate some improvement and some hope for greater improvement in the future.

In fact, things like ridding the PSNI of loyalist terrorists who are also policemen, and equal opportunity in interviews and hiring for Catholics are part of Sinn Fein's political agenda at this time, if I'm not incorrect.

If they should achieve positive results from such political action, the need for an extraneous "enforcing" group would be considerably lessened.

"Last night Sinn Fιin councillor for Short Strand Joe O'Donnell repeated his party's position on paramilitary-style attacks.

“I don't believe punishment shootings are the way to deal with the situation but in the absence of proper, effective policing, unfortunately these things do happen,” he said. "

http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2003/oct17_provos_under_fire.php

Chris
10-19-2003, 12:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the major contributing factor to the trouble in Northern Ireland was interfering Americans with at best a romantic understanding of the actual situation.

SpabSFW
10-19-2003, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Chris
I wouldn't be surprised if the major contributing factor to the trouble in Northern Ireland was interfering Americans with at best a romantic understanding of the actual situation.

Nice little bait Chris, but I'm confident in my level of education (constantly being increased as well) of the history of the struggle and current politics and know my opinions to be based in valid data.

I might add it's not surprising that racism is a particularly Orange phenomenon in Ireland. Most republicans are antiracist.

Perhaps that's why you don't like them, or perhaps you are just completely clueless as to Irish politics and just taking pot shots at me for something to do. In fact, the latter would be my guess.

:)

Chris
10-19-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by SpabSFW

I might add it's not surprising that racism is a particularly Orange phenomenon in Ireland. Most republicans are antiracist.


Uh-huh :rolleyes: sure thing. Why is it not surprising? I don't see that an opinion about which country you wish to belong to in anyway affects your opinion of other races.

Please post some non-partisan sources about the differing attitudes towards other races in Ireland.

Hey Spabs, did you know that the unionists often have graffiti comparing themselves to Israel, while the nationalists often compare themselves to the Palestinians. Talk about a crisis of confidence.....


Perhaps that's why you don't like them, or perhaps you are just completely clueless as to Irish politics and just taking pot shots at me for something to do. In fact, the latter would be my guess.

:)

LOL, if anything I lean towards a united Ireland.

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