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Criminal
10-11-2003, 05:41 PM
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IE420030317011353&Title=Features+-+People+%26+Lifestyle&rLink=0

Irish Jews -- Sitting Shiva on a dying way?

Reuters

CORK: Fred Rosehill stood in the 120-year-old Jewish cemetery overlooking the River Lee in Cork and wondered whether it would have to close, with so few Jews left in the southern Irish city.

"I don't want to be the one to blow out the candle," said the 75-year-old retired haberdasher, pointing to graves where Jewish victims of the sinking of the liner Lusitania, torpedoed off the Irish coast in 1915, as well as his friends and family, lie buried.

The demise of Ireland's Jewish community, which gave Israel its sixth president, Chaim Herzog, and Dublin a two-time Lord Mayor, Robert Briscoe, has been forecast for years.

A plummeting Jewish population, from some 5,500 just after World War II to about 1,100 today in this staunchly Roman Catholic country of 3.9 million, seems to bear that out.

The Cork synagogue, once the place of worship for a thriving community of some 300, has not had a presiding rabbi for 39 years and has only a couple of services a year.

Dublin, which once boasted seven synagogues, has just one Orthodox and one progressive, or "reformed" in U.S. terms.

Some say it is time to sit shiva -- the Jewish fashion of mourning -- for a community with links in Ireland dating back to the 11th century.

"It's the demise of what we would normally call the traditional, Orthodox northern European Jew who came in the 1880s to flee persecution," Rosehill said.

But if so, how can one explain the buzz in the Terenure Hebrew Congregation temple in Dublin at a recent Saturday service as men warmly greeted each other and conversed -- an atmosphere one member likened to "a pub, but without the beer?"

Or the 25 youngsters between the ages of 6 and 14 who show up on Sunday mornings at the Dublin Jewish Progressive Congregation for Hebrew class?

Or the packed Jewish singles social in Dublin and the 100 adults and children attending a Hannukah party in Cork?

NOT DYING, BUT EVOLVING

In this land of contradictions and paradoxes, it would seem that reports of the death of Ireland's Jewish community are premature -- but then again not far off the mark.

"You ask me is there a future here?" Carl Nelkin, 41, a lawyer who negotiates aviation finance deals, contemplated over a cappuccino in one of Dublin's growing number of coffee bars.

"I would say there could well be but it will be different to the experience we've had up until now. I think we have to look at the community not as dying, but evolving."

What has gone are the kosher butcher and Jewish shops on Clanbrassil Street, once the Jewish section of town.

The small red-brick Adelaide Road synagogue, which looks like a typical eastern European Jewish temple, has been converted to offices and has a "to let" sign out front.

The traditional community of Irish Jews, many of them descendants of immigrants who fled the Kovno Gubernia province of Lithuania during pogroms there in the late 19th century, is indeed dying out.

Many of the faces in the Orthodox Terenure synagogue are in their 50s and 60s, and younger people are in scarce supply.

IRISH IMMIGRATION POLICY BLAMED

Some say Ireland, where incidents of overt anti-Semitism are few and far between, lost its chance to stem that decline in the years immediately preceding and following World War II, when 6 million Jews were killed in the Nazi Holocaust.

When Ireland held its first Holocaust Memorial day earlier this year, Justice Minister Michael McDowell apologized for official policy which was inspired by "a culture of muted anti-Semitism in Ireland," that discouraged immigration by Europe's shattered Jews.

"At an official level the Irish state was at best coldly polite and behind closed doors antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling toward the Jews," McDowell said.

By some estimates, only 30 Jews were given asylum before the war, none during it, only a handful afterwards.

It has also never been fully explained why Eamon De Valera, president during World War II when Ireland remained neutral but implicitly backed the Allies, signed the condolence book at the German Embassy after Hitler committed suicide.

Raphael Siev, who runs the Jewish Museum in Dublin and believes that immigrant Jewish glassmakers may well have introduced the art of crystal glassmaking to Ireland, said the apology was welcome, but the damage done was irreparable.

He said his father was denied permission to bring his own brother to Ireland before the war, even though he was ready to make all the necessary guarantees.

Some Jews, he said, were let in if they converted to Roman Catholicism beforehand, but after the war the clampdown continued.

"It (the community) needed a spark," Siev said in the hallway of the small museum filled with memorabilia from closed Dublin synagogues and of a Jewish lifestyle that is no more.

"It's a dying community simply because of the very strict restrictions on admission," he said.

IFF
10-12-2003, 08:28 AM
i'm not really surprised at this though i am saddened

reason i'm not surprised:

1: ireland was one of the last countries in the world to actually recognise Israel

2: i've also noticed that ireland is growing into both a racist and anit-semitic country of people which is also very sad

though i do think (99% sure) a distant relative of mine oin my mother side has married a person of judaism but i'm not sure whether this was in ireland or somewhere else

Truth Teller
10-12-2003, 04:58 PM
Good post Crim.

Johnson
10-12-2003, 06:33 PM
Darn.

SpabSFW
10-12-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by IFF
i'm not really surprised at this though i am saddened

reason i'm not surprised:

1: ireland was one of the last countries in the world to actually recognise Israel

2: i've also noticed that ireland is growing into both a racist and anit-semitic country of people which is also very sad

though i do think (99% sure) a distant relative of mine oin my mother side has married a person of judaism but i'm not sure whether this was in ireland or somewhere else


I've read racism is on the increase because of immigration, about like here. But I hadn't see much on anti-semitism.

I do know that politically most republicans fall on the side of the palestinians because they seem to view it as a similar struggle to NI. I personally disagree on the similarity.

It does seem to match the decrease in the Jewish population the U.S. is also seeing, quite a shame really... I wonder if it's world wide?

Anyone know?

spabbo

Johnson
10-12-2003, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by SpabSFW


I've read racism is on the increase because of immigration, about like here. But I hadn't see much on anti-semitism.


Anti-semitism is not a special, shiny type of racism.

semites are a race, anti semitism is racism. anti semitism has become a leftist buzzword.

Hannibal
10-12-2003, 11:54 PM
I didn't even know there were Jews in Ireland.

Johnson
10-13-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by Hannibal
I didn't even know there were Jews in Ireland.

Octopi have many tentacles.

jojo
10-13-2003, 12:31 AM
Bagels Begorra !

SpabSFW
10-13-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by jojo
Bagels Begorra !

hehehe :nice:

Criminal
10-13-2003, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by Truth Teller
Good post Crim.
No prob. I really did not know there was such a thing as Irish Jews but it only makes sense really since Jews are found everywhere else.
Originally posted by Spab
I've read racism is on the increase because of immigration, about like here. But I hadn't see much on anti-semitism.

I do know that politically most republicans fall on the side of the palestinians because they seem to view it as a similar struggle to NI. I personally disagree on the similarity.

It does seem to match the decrease in the Jewish population the U.S. is also seeing, quite a shame really... I wonder if it's world wide?

Anyone know?

spabbo

I would venture to guess its due to a low birth rate combined with emmigration to Israel. In Russia and east europe it also has to do with Jewish people intermarrying with non jews and others loosing their religious identity. I work with several people from russia and most of them are jewish. The IT industry is quite crowded with them. Mostly they will identify themselves as beint Russians first and Jews later.

IFF
10-13-2003, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by SpabSFW



I've read racism is on the increase because of immigration, about like here. But I hadn't see much on anti-semitism.


yeah your right there, racism is on the rise because of immigration but there is also the people who are anti-semitic. |I know a good few people who are very anti-semetic and it just really sickens me.

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