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Criminal
01-21-2002, 09:52 PM
Though this posting is about a movie, it is a historical topic so I posted it here.

One of my favorite war movies is the Dirty Dozen, with Lee Marvin and 12 other big time actors. Most people who are into war movies already know the story, but for the rest of you peeps, heres the low down:

This maverck Major, played by Marvin is reluctantly forced to take 12 men from a Millitary Prison, each one convicted of a serious offence, and train them to be commandos and then lead them in a suicide mission behind enemy lines just before D Day. The movie is very funny at the beginning but the war action is extremely violent and realistic.

Well, anyway I have always wondered if the story behind this movie is real so I did a bit of research on the subject and this is what I found:

http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/d/dirty_dozen.html

According to a film review by James Berardinelli:

"Based on the novel by E.M. Nathanson, the script has no specific historical antecedent, although it has been a common practice in wars to place criminals in the front lines with the promise of a full pardon if they survive. Much has been written about whether something along the lines of The Dirty Dozen actually occurred during World War II, but there is little evidence one way
or another. In essence, therefore, the film should be treated as entirely fictional. It does not claim to be based on a true story, which is fortunate, because, when it comes to details, the production often gets things wrong."

I did learn from someone else on a Millitary History News group to which I suscribe, that during WW2, inmates in millitary prisons were released to serve in combat duty. Most of these were convicted of less serious crimes, however, then the individuals shown in the movie. Murderers, rapists and armmed robbers were not put back into millitary units.

Though not exactly the same story, the Movie, "The Devil's Brigade" about a group of motly misfits who went on to become an elite commando unit in the Italian campaign of WW2 is entirely true.

Momof6
01-22-2002, 09:48 AM
Never mind, was thinking of the magnificent seven......brain tremor...... :D

u8nxprt
01-22-2002, 10:45 AM
What about "Kellies Heros" is that for real?

Manu
01-22-2002, 10:56 AM
It is definately and interesting thought...

Given many of the men in military prisons were trained, able, and had skills, im sure if any time we got them out it was ww2.

Momof6
01-22-2002, 10:58 AM
I think "Hogan's heros" and I know "The Great Escape" are based on real stories. "The Great Escape" is one of my favorite movies.......Steve McQueen.........man what a film!!

Criminal
01-23-2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Momof6
I think "Hogan's heros" and I know "The Great Escape" are based on real stories. "The Great Escape" is one of my favorite movies.......Steve McQueen.........man what a film!!
Great Escape was a romanticised version of a true story. It was absolutely true that 50 men were killed after the escape and that two individuals did make it to safety.

BTW: I just loved that scene with Steve McQueen on that motorcycle when he was jumping the fence.

Banky
10-03-2002, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Momof6
Never mind, was thinking of the magnificent seven......brain tremor...... :D
Magnifcient Seven was awful, you have to get the Kirosawa, the original version, THE SEVEN SAMURI

Criminal
10-05-2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Banky

Magnifcient Seven was awful, you have to get the Kirosawa, the original version, THE SEVEN SAMURI Great movie!

Banky
10-05-2002, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Criminal
Great movie!

Ever see SUNJURO or YOJIMBO? Both were made speghetti Westerns, YOJIMBO became FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE I think, and SUNJURO became ...whatever, I forgot, but I have all 3 original Kirosawa films, they are awsome...but in Japanese! :(

You cant walk away and listen while getting popcorn in the kitchen!

Oh, I just bought the DVD of GREAT ESCAPE, great flick, not even related to the original story it is based on except the number of dead prisoners in the end (THere were no Americans in that camp).

They interviewed the motorcycle driver who did the jumps, it was kewel! The movie won an oscar for best editing because it looks like McQueen almost really did those jumps.

My other favorite now, since I never saw it before believe it or not, was A BRIDGE TOO FAR. Never saw it before, bought the DVD, excellent movie!!

samwe
10-26-2002, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by Banky

Magnifcient Seven was awful, you have to get the Kirosawa, the original version, THE SEVEN SAMURI

I think they are both great movies. I view the M7 has a good tribute to the 7S.

Shelter
10-28-2002, 07:03 PM
I spent some time in the army and actually a military history freak and as far as i can remember there is actually a group like the dirty dozen that did actually occur but they were in a kind of Army Ranger Unit and they werent all killers or anything that bad.

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