This is a subject that is certain to generate controversy so I will say that I am no fan of Hitler or the Nazis. I have read a great deal on the subject of the war and it continues to be a subject that fascinates me.

A while back a book came out called "Fatherland" which showed the world as it would have been would the Nazis won the war. Other books have cropped up on this subject, particularlyu "The Moscow Option" by David Downing, which shows what may have happened if Hitler allowed his Generals to fight the war against Russia their way and if Moscow was taken.

Here are some possible outcomes.

First it would have been a bad situation for the Jews of Europe, as the Germans would have had a free hand to complete their extermination.

I think that for Russia it would have been a difficult time though after time the Nazis would have given Russia self rule and in the long run, German rule or a German led puppet state would have been less severe than Stalin's tyrany.

For the western powers it would have been a period of great humiliation. The British would be ruled by puppet dictators appointed by the Germans.

Eventually the rule of the Germans would loosen, probibly following the Furher's death and democracy will replace fascism.

I seriously doubt if the Germans or Japaneese would make good on their threat to invade the US as the technology of war was not sufficient for such an invasion.

Again, I will bring up Phillip K. Dicks wonderful book, the man in the high castle. It presupposes that the Axis Powers won (remember, the nazis had allies) and that they split the united states between them. West of the rockies - Japan controlled. East - Nazi controlled. Quite an interesting book, and a good read.

Man oh man; our world would be different for sure. Most of us probably would not be here. If Pearl Harbor was a success (they missed the carriers; they failed), we would have probably been faced with a large-scale invasion, the Japs needed our resources (that's why they were attacking China, and that's why they hit Pearl), the Japs would have probably had no problems pushing as far east as the Mississippi .... Well I'm just rambling it seems, but there are several little things that could have caused a totally different outcome to the war ....

Originally posted by Contraband
Again, I will bring up Phillip K. Dicks wonderful book, the man in the high castle. It presupposes that the Axis Powers won (remember, the nazis had allies) and that they split the united states between them. West of the rockies - Japan controlled. East - Nazi controlled. Quite an interesting book, and a good read.
I highly doubt that a successful invasion of the United States would ever take place. Mostly, the axis were more concerned with taking over the Eastern Hemisphere. If they ever tried invading the US, they would certainly be defeated.

I think if the japs had pushed on at pearl harbor we would have been caught with our pants down in Santa Barbara, los Angeles and San Diego. Once the west is lost, what is left that is really worth fighting for anyway?

Originally posted by Contraband
I think if the japs had pushed on at pearl harbor we would have been caught with our pants down in Santa Barbara, los Angeles and San Diego. Once the west is lost, what is left that is really worth fighting for anyway?
At least we would be rid of all those Californians.:D

We got lots of guns in California... :p

Yup, but if a lot of the left coast pulled the trigger, they'd just be leaving bloody footprints!
:D

In SF, the gun might not be pointed at your foot but stuck someplace else I suppose. That wouldn't work either.;)

Criminal is right.

If the Japanese had suceeded at Pearl Harbor (or Midway for that matter), what would have happened is that they would have forced us to essentially sue for peace, and force us to break off of our embargoes. Japan went into the war realizing they had no real chance to defeat us... they basically wanted us out of their hair so that they could continue with their China campaign.

Several possible scenarios for Germany:

Hitler had followed through with Dunkirk... he let the majority of the British army escape. Had he not done so, chances are the British would have surrendered fairly early into Operation Sea Lion.

Battle of Britain: Again, if Hitler had just kept pressing the attack for a little bit longer, the British would have capitulated.

Either scenario would have kept the U.S. out of the war.

Russian offensive: Hitler started the war too late, and was defeated by the Russian winter within sight of Moscow. This gave time for the Russians to move their industry to the east of the Urals, well out of range of German bombers.

Me-262: Hitler could have had a functioning jet as much as two years earlier. Had that been the case, the allied air offensive against Germany would have failed. The allies had nothing that could even come close, and Germany would have been able to field a second generation of jets by the time the allies would have gotten their first gen into combat. Hitler blew off the idea.

FWIW, Albert Speer would most likely have been Hitler's sucessor.

Originally posted by Turbostang

FWIW, Albert Speer would most likely have been Hitler's sucessor.
Such a shame the Germans didn't get rid of Hitler and put Speer in his place. Speer was 10 times more intellegent than any of those Nazis. He also had a heart.

IMHO Germany could have occupied Britain, but to actually get them to surrender is another thing. Britain would have taken what was left of the Royal Navy, RAF, and army to Canada and continued (however they could of I dont see how) the fight. The middle east, India, etc. would have fallen thereafter. And there is no feasible way Japan could have invaded the west coast. Just my .02 cents

Ha ha none of it would have mattered though because the United States size and location would have made it unoccupyable and with the developement of nuclear weaponry the facist armys would have been forced into capitulation. Hitlers hordes would have degenerated into civil war after his death anyway seeing as how the whole party was based around him and there was no line of assendency, let alone any provisions for democratic elections. Hell there were constantly factions in the party plotting against him anyway not to mention the conflicts and factionalism amoungst his screwball lieutenants. Speer was prolly the most sane out of the inner circle but he lacked the military power of the others so I kinda doubt he could wrested controll from them. Hitler was a lunatic his vision of a Nazi dominated Europe just wasnt feasible, no way could a single country dominate the entire continent. Germany's entire populaion was what like 40 something million and they were going to lord over like what 20 countries?

Do think think the NAZI's ever could have won. We are basing this on the fact the the US conceded so to speak. Do you think we would have used the "if I can't have you no one can" line of thinking and just had multiple Hiroshimas (sp?) in Europe?

Sorry if someone else already brought this up. I'm at work and didn't have time to read the entire thread.

i know this for sure:

1: nazi's had a plan called o[peration green in which involved invading ireland. if sucjh a thing happened, england had troops ready to defend us, there uniforms had shamrocks on them

2: if germany had successfully invaded great birtain, ireland would have been invaded by the usa as they would need a base in westerne europe

ok:

my opini0on if nazi land and italy took over the world is that boith gemrany, italy and japan would be at war vagaisnt each other because of their lust for power. at least italy and germnay would have been. italy had the paln to join the war when it was certain victory (they ****ed up that idea) lkuke they did in world war 1

Originally posted by IFF
i know this for sure:

2: if germany had successfully invaded great birtain, ireland would have been invaded by the usa as they would need a base in westerne europe


We didnt have the resources to invade Ireland in 1940.

Originally posted by IFF
i know this for sure:

1: nazi's had a plan called o[peration green in which involved invading ireland. if sucjh a thing happened, england had troops ready to defend us, there uniforms had shamrocks on them

2: if germany had successfully invaded great birtain, ireland would have been invaded by the usa as they would need a base in westerne europe

ok:

my opini0on if nazi land and italy took over the world is that boith gemrany, italy and japan would be at war vagaisnt each other because of their lust for power. at least italy and germnay would have been. italy had the paln to join the war when it was certain victory (they ****ed up that idea) lkuke they did in world war 1
I doubt that it was ever the intention of the Germans to invade Ireland. For one thing, Ireland was of no strategic value to the Germans.

The Irish Free State (now the republic of Ireland or Eire), was officially neutral througout the war. This was mainly because the Irish had just broke off from the yoke of britian and there was still some bitterness over the brittish retaining northern Ireland. Eamon De Valera, the Irish president, feared that entry into war against Germany would result in dependence on Britain.

The Germans appearently found having a neutral Ireland to be to their advantage. At the very least, the German Embassy could provide the Nazis with reliable weather reports.

@cfriminal
,many irish people ctually wanted ireland to join the allies in world war 2. they felt that if ireland fought with the british maybe afterwardds ireland would be given unity by the british

and incase, germnas did land in ireland, the irish media was banned from publishing weather report and sign posts were taking down

Originally posted by IFF
@cfriminal
,many irish people ctually wanted ireland to join the allies in world war 2. they felt that if ireland fought with the british maybe afterwardds ireland would be given unity by the british

and incase, germnas did land in ireland, the irish media was banned from publishing weather report and sign posts were taking down
I did hear this: many young Irish men volunteered in the British Armed forces during the war. For many irish it was a way to get a good job.

Originally posted by Criminal

I did hear this: many young Irish men volunteered in the British Armed forces during the war. For many irish it was a way to get a good job.

yeah that is right

but on grave stones if a person dided in war, it could not be said that they died fighting for the british armed forces as to ashow they were neutral