I was watching on the history channel (war channel) about WW1. One of the points they made was during 1916 the triple antauntte and the austria-germany pact were in the process of talking peace and ending WW1. Now here is my question..what would the world be like if the isolationists won and America didn't get involved in WW1?

now keep in mind that in late 1917 the communist party took over russia, and no treaty of versies (how ever you spell it) therefore no Hitler....

What would the world be like if a treaty was signed in 1917?

Originally posted by suncrush3r
I was watching on the history channel (war channel) about WW1. One of the points they made was during 1916 the triple antauntte and the austria-germany pact were in the process of talking peace and ending WW1. Now here is my question..what would the world be like if the isolationists won and America didn't get involved in WW1?

now keep in mind that in late 1917 the communist party took over russia, and no treaty of versies (how ever you spell it) therefore no Hitler....

What would the world be like if a treaty was signed in 1917? Now that is an interesting scenerio. I think it is probible that the Germans would have triumphed. What that would mean is that the ballance of power in Europe would shift away from the French and Brittish and towards the Germans. The Bolshiviks would still have been in power in Russia, but would be more contained by a strong Germany. Eastern European states such as Poland and Czechoslovakia which were created after WW1 would ether not have existed or would exist as puppets of the Germans. Yugoslavia would not have existed. Serbia would be a small isolated nation surrounded by the Austrian Empire and Ottoman Empires. Turkey would continue to dominate the middle east and remain a strong power. Therefore Palestine would continue to be occupied by Turkey and Zionism would not be an issue, at least at that time.

It is questionable how a German victory would affect the Brittish and French colonies in Africa, Europe and the Pacific. Perhaps the Germans would use the opportunity to expand their colonial empire.

In the contries of France, Britian and Belgium, millitary defeat might have possibly led to an upsurge in revolutionary activity. We may have even seen the establishment of Soviet style worker states in western europe.

Assuming a German victory, I'd have to say Criminal's analysis is likely dead on, with the possible exception of the socialist/communist uprisings in western Europe. That's certainly debatible too however.

A stalemate type truce likely wouldn't have been TOO much different in it's results either IMO.

Any kind of a victory by Britian & France would still have likely resulted in sactions along the lines of those imposed at the end of WWI.

Which way it would have actually gone, I'm not sure... My understanding was that it was largely a stalemate in the trenches of France prior to the US entering the war. That aside my understanding was that France & Britain were in a bit more dire straits overall in regards to resources, economy, etc... I guess Criminal can enlighten us all a bit more here:)

Read THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE, by Phillip K. Dick. It takes place in a world in which we did get involved - and we lost.

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
Assuming a German victory, I'd have to say Criminal's analysis is likely dead on, with the possible exception of the socialist/communist uprisings in western Europe. That's certainly debatible too however.

A stalemate type truce likely wouldn't have been TOO much different in it's results either IMO.

Any kind of a victory by Britian & France would still have likely resulted in sactions along the lines of those imposed at the end of WWI.

Which way it would have actually gone, I'm not sure... My understanding was that it was largely a stalemate in the trenches of France prior to the US entering the war. That aside my understanding was that France & Britain were in a bit more dire straits overall in regards to resources, economy, etc... I guess Criminal can enlighten us all a bit more here:)
I think thats about right. I do not necessarily think that the defeat of France or Britian would trigger a successful communist revolution in those two nations but I do think there would be conciderable unrest. In almost any defeated nation in any war there is conciderable social change. The more severe the defeat, the greater the upheval. France in particular has always been the hotbed of revolution. Remember what happened in 1871 after the countries defeat by Germany. There was the Paris Commune which was hailed by Marx as the first social revolution.

Of course if Hitler did not come to power, and chased all the Jew scientists away, germany might have gotten the bomb before the US.

Hell, from the little bit I read, they nearly did as it was...

If it wasn't for Hitler's rejeccting of Einstein's theories anyway, they might have from what I've heard (to be a bit more specific).