I am part of a small group called The Revolution. We are looking for people to become part of the group. This is not spam, as if nothing else, I'd like opinions on the ideals we are expressing. We just launched a site, you can see it at here (http://www.revolution.junkyville.net)

Thank you all

If I may ask, does this group have any political orientations?

Cults are not cool.

Blackshirt, I thought you would be the one to jump right on this!

Look before you leap. What's this "revolution" about?

I will deconstruct this later.

He's right.

Total cult.

First off, This is not a cult. We are not looking to suck people in/take their money/brainwash them. We have no religious affiliation as far as this group goes. While I and Nicoli Quillion use the title Reverand, we do not impress religious views on others, and all people from all walks of life are welcomed to be a part in this.

Stage monster, I offer my apologies, as I didn't really have time to fully explain things as before I was kind of pressed for time. What we are are a small group of individuals looking to bring light new facts and ideals to the world through information. Looking at what we can do to find information ourselves. That's what the Dynamic Manifesto is about, anybody can add their thoughts on the numerous chapters and have their article included as part of the manifesto.

Something else about this group that has been established is that there is no "hiarchy" there is no set leadership that 1 person (of a few persons) holds. The members decide where the revolution is to go. It is not about following some one person's ideals and beliefs.

Secondly, we are not affiliated with any political organization nor does the group sponser any political party. But "Political Orientations" could be a number of things. In the aspect that we support 1 political party, we are not. But in the aspect that members themselves may be supporters of a political party, yes we are. We have members who are capitalists as well as communists; Democrats as well as republicans, greens as well as libertarians. So in that aspect, yes. But we do not say that as a organization that we are pro any particular party.

Blackshirt, I look forward to hearing your take and 'deconstruction'. There's nothing wrong with healthy debate.

I gotta tell ya, Lich, you're making this sound like you're trying to create an artificial collective consciousness. While you may not believe it to be a cult in the traditional sense, it is sounding quite a bit like one.

Hmmmm.... That's not good. The whole 'cult' aspect is certianly not something that we're going for nor do we want to be seen as.

Well, perhaps we here can be of assistance in helping you re-evaluate your wording.

What I got out of your site after a quick glance was that, while you allow people to retain their own thoughts and views, in retaining them they are supposed to add them to the collective "melting pot" if you will. This "melting pot" of perspectives has the views of each member of the Revolution and every member of the Revolution is supposed to pick and choose which of these views he/she believes in.

The reason that sounds cultish is becuase...well...it sounds a bit like the Borg from Star Trek. You will be added to the collective so that all may shaire in your knowledge. That's what I meant by a forced collective consciousness.

Rev. Nicoli asked me to pass this along:

Dear Posters and Readers,

Here's the gig with the revolution. If you read through what is written
all over the site this movement is basically about people sharing ideas
about how to make change in the world. There is no forcing anyone to do
anything, I have no authority over you nor do I wish to. Like-wise you
have none over me and I don't want you to.

The idea that this is some sort of cult may or may not be warranted.
Everything from the boy scouts to the masons to the ACLU has been described
as a cult by someone. In many ways any group of people looking to do
anything in common can be construed as a cult and maybe it is. If you are
interested in writing something and posting it up on our forum telling us
how and in what ways we are a cult we will be glad to include it in the
manifesto.

The intention of the revolution is a call to people to discuss and begin to
offer solutions to the problems of the day. To call people to not just
complain but to offer ideas and solutions. In America people enjoy empty
complaining without solutions offered, in short, this solves nothing. The
revolution is merely a philosophy of change. Something to jog peoples
brains and get them thinking about what they are capable of doing in the
world. The idea being that the world has become stuck in its ways and that
it is time that people start to think about wither society needs to change
or not.

The point is the long-term effect of the dissemination of the idea that in
fact, YOU are capable of changing the world. On your own without anyone.
The Revolution is merely a meeting ground of Individuals who realized they
are changing the world, people who want to share their ideas with other
individuals on what should be done.

On the mention of spirit and religion, there are those who believe that
there is something going on beyond the material realm. I am one of them.
But that has no relation to you maintaining free thought.

It's a simple plan.
I have my ideas; you have yours; let's talk and find something that is do-
able.

If you wish to call us a cult, sobeit, you're entitled to your thoughts as
I am entitled to mine. Long Live Free Speech.

In Favor of a Change,

~Rev. Nicoli Quillon

I don't see anything wrong with your message itself. It's very open and diplomatic, but maybe too much so. There is definitely a sense of something strange going on, there. Just calling yourself Reverends and capitalizing "individuals" is creapy. If you really have some things you want to change, why not start a more traditional interest group. You obviously aren't trying to influence people with the merit of your organization, so maybe it's more of a self-help thing. Trying to teach people to be more effective in life? Or maybe it's for people who want things to change but don't know exactly what and they're looking for ideas.

It's a very appealing idea, but once you peel off the skin of idealism, it's really just playing on misguided peoples' good intentions.

so maybe it's more of a self-help thing. Trying to teach people to be more effective in life?

Yes, when people are confronted with opposing ideas they have to rethink their own and come up with a more effective version. We can't start a special interest group if we don't know what should be done and what would best answer the problems.

But people join this thing for many different reasons. I think the more I try to defend this the more I am going to just be telling you the reasons that I wanted this. This is basically to get people thinking about things. That’s all. I call myself Reverend because I am a street preacher in real life. I don't speak for anyone but myself and my beliefs.

I can see how things look shady and ineffective but think long term. People need to think more about what’s going on. I don't care what they think is right or wrong as long as they are thinking about it and not just doing what other people say. This is again my point of view.

Perhaps I am misguided to think that people can ever think for themselves but if that’s the case, I am afraid I have lost hope for humanity.

I will not be continuing this discussion with you, I am sorry about this, but I have much more to do in the coming weeks.

Have a Good Life.

~Rev. Nicoli Quillon

Originally posted by Blackshirt
I will deconstruct this later.

rofl. nerd :o

rofl. nerd

Judeo-American Fascist :D

Originally posted by Anarch


Judeo-American Fascist :D

you mean american nationalist, zionist when it matters

Originally posted by Stage Monster
I gotta tell ya, Lich, you're making this sound like you're trying to create an artificial collective consciousness. While you may not believe it to be a cult in the traditional sense, it is sounding quite a bit like one.


what you do is just brand it as a cult.we call that demonising something.you know that the word cult has a negative ring to it,and that's why you use it.

Originally posted by Stage Monster
Well, perhaps we here can be of assistance in helping you re-evaluate your wording.

What I got out of your site after a quick glance was that, while you allow people to retain their own thoughts and views, in retaining them they are supposed to add them to the collective "melting pot" if you will. This "melting pot" of perspectives has the views of each member of the Revolution and every member of the Revolution is supposed to pick and choose which of these views he/she believes in.

The reason that sounds cultish is becuase...well...it sounds a bit like the Borg from Star Trek. You will be added to the collective so that all may shaire in your knowledge. That's what I meant by a forced collective consciousness.


there is nothing forced about this.it's just a way to organise opinions in an equal way.are you sure it doesn't just make you think of communism,and that's why you oppose it?

Originally posted by contra


you mean american nationalist, zionist when it matters

America isn't a nation, it's a chunk of turf with a few nations in it controlled by a single Government. You're still a Judeo-American Fascist :D Btw, Israel doesn't matter :p

To Lich and the Rev:

Someone's trying to tear the violence out of Fight Club and call it The Revolution.

"You are not your job.
You are not how much you have in the bank.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your f#cking Khakis!"
- Tyler Durden

LOL

Originally posted by Anarch


America isn't a nation, it's a chunk of turf with a few nations in it controlled by a single Government.


In your opinion. That and 50 cents will get you some gum, congrats.


You're still a Judeo-American Fascist :D Btw, Israel doesn't matter :p


:rolleyes:

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