I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.

And I am going to the record store and picking up some of their music. Really I don't like their music but I figure they cant be all bad!:)

Hopefully, you can't find any because many stores are refusing to sell them.

It's kind of pointless to destroy them after you've already paid for them. A better answer may be to not buy them; but who really buys CD's anymore? I haven't bought one in over a year. File sharing, baby! :nice:

I destroyed them because I won't listen to them anymore. I don't steal my music. They have the right to make money off their work. You make money off your work don't you? (if you work that is)

You've never downloaded a single song from the net? Tell the truth now. Ask Criminal if I work. :D

NO NEVER. I wouldn't even know how, and I don't want to learn.

I agree i wont be listening to their music anytime soon. I wouldnt destroy anything though, thats a bit extreme. I am going out and buying charlie daniels and travis tritt music, cause they are both blastin the chicks. :)

what's up with the dixie chicks? I haven't heard anything about them being anti-american, what's it all about?

i'd destroy their cds just because their music sucks...but that's just me....

Originally posted by Tally
what's up with the dixie chicks? I haven't heard anything about them being anti-american, what's it all about? Where have you been?:D They made a stupid comment about how they are ashamed that George W. Bush is also from Texas. They are a bunch of morons.

Originally posted by Ponycar_302
It's kind of pointless to destroy them after you've already paid for them.

I think that most people are destorying them, even after they already bought them, just to make a point and to show that they're upset with what they said.

Originally posted by 20_cent
They are a bunch of morons.

I think (if you like country, which I do!) that they're pretty good and I love their new song Traveling Soldier and I was going to go buy their CD just for that song but since they said that there's no way I'm going to buy it now

Originally posted by lm8077
I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.


Being anti-Bush is not anti-American..


Being anti-Bush is pro-American, read the constitution sometime...

Originally posted by lm8077
I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.
Why not just sell them and get some of your money back?
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Being anti-Bush is not anti-American..

that's what I was going to say. I'm not anti-american, but I'm ashamed of bush too. And anyone that wants to fault them for having an opinion might as well move to a facist country, that kind of country's ideals might suit yours a little better.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Being anti-Bush is not anti-American..


:stupid:

Bush may represent America but he is not actually what makes this country "America". He's not connected to what I think of the country. Presidents get ellected, impeached, assasinated, etc. basically they just get cycled through the system but America is always America regardless. The government and economy may change slightly throughout these changes but we are still America regardless of who the president it. He is simply a representative, nothing more, and in this case I think he is representing us poorly, therefor I can be anti-bush but I am very pro-american

Personally I don't think the Dixie Chicks did anything wrong. Is it wrong to have an opinion? Is it wrong to voice that opinion? Isn't that kind of what america is about? Being able to think for yourself and speak for yourself....freedom? How are the Dixie Chicks different than the protesters outside of the whitehouse? Everyone may not agree with what they said, but in a way, that is the beauty of our country.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Being anti-Bush is not anti-American..


Being anti-Bush is pro-American, read the constitution sometime...

Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your county

Originally posted by TexasRed132
Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your county
I'm sorry, but that is absolutely absurd. This is a real big hypothetical, but it will make my point. Pretend Hitler was alive and american and lied to everyone, and pretended to be a good guy and got elected president. Then we should support him because he's our president and the person representing the country? No, I think not.

Originally posted by lm8077
Hopefully, you can't find any because many stores are refusing to sell them.
There is the Internet right? I buy most of my stuff from Amazon.

Originally posted by Ponycar_302
You've never downloaded a single song from the net? Tell the truth now. Ask Criminal if I work. :D
Gives me an idea.
Now get this, Ponycar, if you really hate the Dixie chicks, download their music and don't buy it. Now that would really piss them off.

Yea people Ponycar works in a prison. Download music and get caught and you may get to meet him.

Originally posted by igofast

I'm sorry, but that is absolutely absurd. This is a real big hypothetical, but it will make my point. Pretend Hitler was alive and american and lied to everyone, and pretended to be a good guy and got elected president. Then we should support him because he's our president and the person representing the country? No, I think not.

Good point. I never heard such talk when Clinton was president.

I hated Clinton also by the way.

Originally posted by Criminal
I hated Clinton also by the way.

I know have very high respect for you

I like their music. I just dont like their political messages they sneak in at concerts.

Therefore like Criminal said, I just download their music now, so they dont make a profit off of me.

Originally posted by Criminal


Good point. I never heard such talk when Clinton was president.

I hated Clinton also by the way.


:werd: If I didn't support Clinton & his "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" stand, did that make me anti American??? It works both ways :) Was I anti American for not supporting adultery???

I guess to me, being anti American is being anti choice. It's being anti the freedom to voice an opinion, whether it's popular or not. I am praying for our troops every day, I wish them all the best in what they & their loved ones are about to face. I pray for a swift end to this war. Yet I don't always agree with Bush, just like I didn't always agree with Clinton. That's the beauty of living in the USA you have the freedom to disagree. You have the freedom of your opinion :) and to voice your opinion peacefully. Why do we HAVE to agree to EVERYTHING Bush says or does??? Personally I don't think our current President should represent our country as a whole. To me, what represents our country is the Constitution, the flag & the men & women who settled this land & preserved it with their blood, sweat & tears. I certainly wouldn't say Clinton's antics represented America.

Re: The Dixie Chicks

Well first of all, I myself take celebrities's political views with a grain of salt. For all we know, it could've been for publicity; I don't know. We have the right to boycott the Dixie Chicks, but Natalie Maines also has the right to say what she feels doesn't she???

Last time I checked, we still lived in America where we have the First Amendment right to free speech. I think it's terrifying that stores are refusing to sell their CD because Maines spoke out against the President. That's crap that they pull in third world, underdeveloped, terrorist nations.

I applaud Maines for her conviction -- and I think it's sad that her publicists (or whomever) demanded that she retract her statement.

I love the Dixie Chicks. And now I have another reason to listen to their CD.

Why can't people remember Hitler. They tried to appease him, giving him land, he wasn't too bad, he'll leave us alone.
People don't know their history, they haven't learned from it. That's what the problem is in the US we aren't getting smarter we are getting dumber.
USA start reading and stop watching movies and tv.

Originally posted by lm8077
Why can't people remember Hitler. They tried to appease him, giving him land, he wasn't too bad, he'll leave us alone.
People don't know their history, they haven't learned from it. That's what the problem is in the US we aren't getting smarter we are getting dumber.
USA start reading and stop watching movies and tv.

Excellent point. I agree with you whole-heartedly here.

However, while all of this is true, we need to maintain personal freedoms and rights -- especially in times of war. Our constitution and committment to personal freedoms are what sets this nation apart from everyone else on the globe. We need to remember that and respect that while we're fighting on behalf of other people on foreign turf.

If we don't practice what we preach than we are no better than the people we are fighting against.

Originally posted by TexasRed132
Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your county

"Etat c'est moi":rolleyes:

With our current boycott on France though, you probably won't be able to understand the significance of that. I'm sure the gov't will have us editing out the French revolution in history books soon enough.

Justin

Originally posted by beatlebabe1972



:werd: If I didn't support Clinton & his "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" stand, did that make me anti American??? It works both ways :) Was I anti American for not supporting adultery???


Alright, I gotta give you that. That's really true

Originally posted by beatlebabe1972



:werd: If I didn't support Clinton & his "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" stand, did that make me anti American??? It works both ways :) Was I anti American for not supporting adultery???

But that is a whole different story. So you are comparing adultery to War? Thats like comparing apples and oranges. We have men preparing to fight and perhaps give up their lives for our freedom and saftey. I think it's about time to support them.

I like their Traveling Soldier song. It's catchy. :)

Originally posted by 20_cent
But that is a whole different story. So you are comparing adultery to War? Thats like comparing apples and oranges. We have men preparing to fight and perhaps give up their lives for our freedom and saftey. I think it's about time to support them.


Supporting the troops has nothing to do with supporting the resident.

In times like these exercising ones freedom of speech is the most patriotic and important thing one can do, as a free country it is our duty to speak up against a man who is leading the country down the wrong path.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Supporting the troops has nothing to do with supporting the resident.

whose arguing that?:confused:
In times like these exercising ones freedom of speech is the most patriotic and important thing one can do Speaking out against a war where men, family are giving up their lives for you freedom is the most patriotic and important thing to do? You will have to further explain this one.
as a free country it is our duty to speak up against a man who is leading the country down the wrong path. one man's oppinion.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Allegra
Last time I checked, we still lived in America where we have the First Amendment right to free speech. I think it's terrifying that stores are refusing to sell their CD because Maines spoke out against the President. That's crap that they pull in third world, underdeveloped, terrorist nations.

I applaud Maines for her conviction -- and I think it's sad that her publicists (or whomever) demanded that she retract her statement.

I love the Dixie Chicks. And now I have another reason to listen to their CD.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is anyone saying that they don't have their first amendment right? No, of course they have the right to speak. But if you're in the public eye and you say controversial things, then expect a backlash.

yes...

but....they're being called Anti-American..


my issue is....how are you an Anti-american if you excersise that first amemendment right?

>how are you an Anti-american if you excersise that first amemendment right?<


Just becasue they excercised a right doesnt mean they are not anti-american.

You can use your right to free speach to say anti-american things.

I don't know much about the Dixie chicks... all I'm saying is that if you're a celebrity that publicly mouths off about politics, then expect to be criticized. Whether or not they're anti-American is another matter. Of course just being against the president (or a war) doesn't necessarily mean you're anti-American. I had an entire website devoted to bashing/exposing Clinton, and I consider myself a patriot.

But about what you said... there are plenty of anti-american people who use their first amendment right (which is ironic, in a lot of other countries they would be jailed or killed for bashing their government)

Originally posted by buttercup

But about what you said... there are plenty of anti-american people who use their first amendment right (which is ironic, in a lot of other countries they would be jailed or killed for bashing their government) Maybe we ought to start implemeting that system here in the US....:shrug:


...ok I'm not serious but hearing these anti-war/anti-american comments are just fustrating.

lol

I agree it's frustrating, especially when these people take advantage of everything this country offers, then turn around and spit on it. (so to speak) I think the anti-Americans who want communism or socialism should go live in a communist country for a while, maybe then they'll realize how good they have it here.

Originally posted by Scott
yes...

but....they're being called Anti-American..


my issue is....how are you an Anti-american if you excersise that first amemendment right?

Thank you Scott. My point exactly.

Originally posted by RightWingZealot

You can use your right to free speach to say anti-american things.

Excercising your right to free speech is absolutely the most American thing anyone can do right now.

And anyone trying to stop or censure someone for excercising their first amendment right is just as anti-american as the terrorists who bombed the trade center.

Originally posted by Allegra
Last time I checked, we still lived in America where we have the First Amendment right to free speech. I think it's terrifying that stores are refusing to sell their CD because Maines spoke out against the President. That's crap that they pull in third world, underdeveloped, terrorist nations.



If you support free expression, then you should support the store that refuses to sell their CD. That is a form of expression. :)

Originally posted by buggy


If you support free expression, then you should support the store that refuses to sell their CD. That is a form of expression. :)

I suppose you are right on that one. However, I do not support any big business or agency in making decisions for me. So, when I find out which businesses have stopped selling their CDs, I will stop shopping with them.

Originally posted by Allegra

Excercising your right to free speech is absolutely the most American thing anyone can do right now.

Of course it's "American" to excercise your first Amendment rights, but at the same time, some people who do just that actually DO hate America and want to destroy the type of government we have, and change it into something it was never supposed to be. Believe it or not, there are some self-proclaimed "anti-Americans" living in this country. You denying that?


And anyone trying to stop or censure someone for excercising their first amendment right is just as anti-american as the terrorists who bombed the trade center.

People are criticizing the Dixie Chicks.. I don't hear many people saying that they don't have the right to speak. Yeah, they do. And people have the right to criticize them or not buy their cd's.

Originally posted by 20_cent
But that is a whole different story. So you are comparing adultery to War? Thats like comparing apples and oranges. We have men preparing to fight and perhaps give up their lives for our freedom and saftey. I think it's about time to support them.


My point was this: If it's "Anti American" to say anything in regards to our current President (as some has stated) was it also Anti American to say anything bad about Clinton when he was in office??? And I stated in my previous post that I DO support our troops, I just don't agree with everything Bush says, or for that matter, what Clinton said during his presidency :) Maybe the war/adultery comparison is apples & oranges, but both are things that many people don't believe in or support. I don't think it's anti American to say that you don't always agree with our President. I really don't think there are many people, pro war or anti war, who wish nothing but the best for our troops. I know I do, even if I don't always agree with Bush :)

You are fooling yourself if you think you can separate anti war from anti troops. It doesn't happen that way. Think of the troops, how they feel with the anti war demonstrations. Come on let's give them ALL of our support not just half.

Originally posted by TexasRed132


I know have very high respect for you
Thanks Red. I respect you too.:)

Originally posted by buttercup


Of course it's "American" to excercise your first Amendment rights, but at the same time, some people who do just that actually DO hate America and want to destroy the type of government we have, and change it into something it was never supposed to be. Believe it or not, there are some self-proclaimed "anti-Americans" living in this country. You denying that?
I would say that people who protest the war and the President are not anti American. I know many of these people. In fact I am one. I do not hate america. I love this country. That is why I protest.

Originally posted by lm8077
You are fooling yourself if you think you can separate anti war from anti troops. It doesn't happen that way. Think of the troops, how they feel with the anti war demonstrations. Come on let's give them ALL of our support not just half.

Funny you should mention that. My neice is in the Army and she actually was in an anti war protest. She does do her work but she does not agree with what the war is being fought for.

Originally posted by lm8077
I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.


I don't see how they are anti-american, just anti-Bush and using their rights to say what they want. :shrug:

I still enjoy their music, they sure can sing!

Originally posted by lm8077
You are fooling yourself if you think you can separate anti war from anti troops. It doesn't happen that way. Think of the troops, how they feel with the anti war demonstrations. Come on let's give them ALL of our support not just half.

That's really true, my friend who was overseas came home and had to deal with all these anti-war rallies and people who were anit-war. He talked to some of them and told him about how he just got home and they said that they supported him and all the troops. That didn't make him feel a whole lot better :( That people were havng these rallies totally discouraged him and bummed him out and don't blame him at all

Originally posted by beatlebabe1972
I really don't think there are many people, pro war or anti war, who wish nothing but the best for our troops. I know I do, even if I don't always agree with Bush :)

BB... I don't think anyone in here would say that they are "pro-war" Who would want to go to war? It's a terrible thing. But since we're now at war, and it obviously can't be avoided (even if it could have before) we need to stand by the president (even if we disagree with him) and stop with the anti war rallies. That's not supporting our troops, if anything, it's discouraging them because it's like people are complaining about what they're fighting for.

Originally posted by Criminal
I would say that people who protest the war and the President are not anti American. I know many of these people. In fact I am one. I do not hate america. I love this country. That is why I protest.

Criminal, I NEVER said that. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else, but please don't assume things, that's a pet peeve of mine.

I'm not talking about people who protest the war, and I'm not talking about people who don't like Bush. (or any president) I don't like Bush much, and I had an anti-Clinton website, and I consider myself a patriot. I love this country.

I was talking about self-proclaimed anti-Americans... There are some of those over on another site I post on, the EBN (where a lot of the rage people went after that site got shut down.) You used to post on the rage board, I'm sure you know some of the people I'm talking about.


And I'll end with a quote:


"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public office save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country."

Theodore Roosevelt

Originally posted by lm8077
You are fooling yourself if you think you can separate anti war from anti troops. It doesn't happen that way. Think of the troops, how they feel with the anti war demonstrations. Come on let's give them ALL of our support not just half.


I can think of many times I've been opposed to something, but not opposed to the heart & soul behind it (to me the heart & soul in this case is our troops). I don't agree with a lot of Medicare & HMO policy; does this mean I'm anti doctors & nurses??? I don't agree with city government all the time; doesn't mean I don't support the police officers who have to enforce the laws. I don't agree with my family all the time, do I love them less for it??? Of course not. Maybe I'm weird that way but I can separate between the two :)

Originally posted by TexasRed132


BB... I don't think anyone in here would say that they are &quot;pro-war&quot; Who would want to go to war? It's a terrible thing. But since we're now at war, and it obviously can't be avoided (even if it could have before) we need to stand by the president (even if we disagree with him) and stop with the anti war rallies. That's not supporting our troops, if anything, it's discouraging them because it's like people are complaining about what they're fighting for.

Actually you're right, pro war was a bad choice of words, but I was stuck for anything better at the time :) As far as anti war protests, I can only imagine how discouraging it is, and I would hope that people wouldn't blame the troops for doing the job they have to do. However, to stop a peaceful anti war rally (I use peaceful here because I don't condone violence as a form of protest) isn't that stopping their right to free speech??? Like I said I have yet to see one person post anyting remotely close to "I hope our troops die" or something horrid like that. It seems to me that a lot of the anti war sentiment is that they don't want people to die & the motives are in question. No there isn't nothing we can do now; we are at war. But Rome wasn't built a day & a lot of people won't accept this easily or change their opinion overnight. To me, what I think of Bush isn't as revelant as our men & women returning home safely & swiftly :)

One more thing. On another thread, I think did call some of the Hollywood leftists anti-American, but that is not because they are protesting this war. It's because some of them truly are marxists/commies who hate America, and our system of government.

Originally posted by buttercup
One more thing. On another thread, I think did call some of the Hollywood leftists anti-American, but that is not because they are protesting this war. It's because some of them truly are marxists/commies who hate America, and our system of government.
Again that does not mean someone hates america. The system of government perhaps. I don't like Marxism because its obsolite in this day and age but I will never say a Marxist is un american.

That is only my opinion.

I think you missed my post #53. (I posted to you twice) I'm talking about self-proclaimed anti-Americans. Please read that post.

Originally posted by buttercup
myself a patriot. I love this country.

I was talking about self-proclaimed anti-Americans... There are some of those over on another site I post on, the EBN (where a lot of the rage people went after that site got shut down.) You used to post on the rage board, I'm sure you know some of the people I'm talking about.

Sorry, I missed this the first time. Yes I do know rage board. I also been to EBN a few times myself. There are some hard core anti americans but mostly they are not even from the United States.

Peace

Originally posted by lm8077
I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one.



I'll take up your slack.

Originally posted by Criminal
And I am going to the record store and picking up some of their music. Really I don't like their music but I figure they cant be all bad!:)

Buy their new album,it's all acoustic and pretty good.


Originally posted by lm8077
Hopefully, you can't find any because many stores are refusing to sell them.

Not where I live [ Ohio].


Originally posted by TexasRed132


I think (if you like country, which I do!) that they're pretty good and I love their new song Traveling Soldier and I was going to go buy their CD just for that song but since they said that there's no way I'm going to buy it now


I'll take up your slack.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Being anti-Bush is not anti-American..


Being anti-Bush is pro-American, read the constitution sometime...

:nice:

Originally posted by Tally

:stupid:

Bush may represent America but he is not actually what makes this country &quot;America&quot;. He's not connected to what I think of the country. Presidents get ellected, impeached, assasinated, etc. basically they just get cycled through the system but America is always America regardless. The government and economy may change slightly throughout these changes but we are still America regardless of who the president it. He is simply a representative, nothing more, and in this case I think he is representing us poorly, therefor I can be anti-bush but I am very pro-american



I agree 100%.

Personally I don't think the Dixie Chicks did anything wrong.



Neither do I.


Is it wrong to have an opinion? Is it wrong to voice that opinion? Isn't that kind of what america is about? Being able to think for yourself and speak for yourself....freedom? How are the Dixie Chicks different than the protesters outside of the whitehouse? Everyone may not agree with what they said, but in a way, that is the beauty of our country.

:nice:


Originally posted by TexasRed132


Bush represents America, sorry,




Maybe for you ,but not for my friends or myself and it's our country
too.


but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.


With all due respect,that is illogical.



Originally posted by Allegra
Last time I checked, we still lived in America where we have the First Amendment right to free speech. I think it's terrifying that stores are refusing to sell their CD because Maines spoke out against the President. That's crap that they pull in third world, underdeveloped, terrorist nations.

I applaud Maines for her conviction -- and I think it's sad that her publicists (or whomever) demanded that she retract her statement.

I love the Dixie Chicks. And now I have another reason to listen to their CD.

:nice:

Originally posted by 20_cent
But that is a whole different story. So you are comparing adultery to War



War is not fun,adultery can be fun. :D



We have men preparing to fight and perhaps give up their lives for our freedom and saftey. I think it's about time to support them.



And many of us choose to support them by not wanting them to be killed or hurt for no good reason.

Again,I can remember the Vetinam War,my family was personally affected by it,this is the time to speak out because tommorow may be too late.


Originally posted by Ponycar_302
I like their Traveling Soldier song. It's catchy. :)

I agree.


Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Supporting the troops has nothing to do with supporting the resident.

In times like these exercising ones freedom of speech is the most patriotic and important thing one can do, as a free country it is our duty to speak up against a man who is leading the country down the wrong path.

:nice:


Originally posted by 20_cent
whose arguing that?:confused:



You seem to be.

Speaking out against a war where men, family are giving up their lives for you freedom is the most patriotic and important thing to do? You will have to further explain this one.



It is patroitic to hold the government accountable and not rubber stamp what they say.

Many of us feel the troops are giving their lives up for big buisness and oil,not our freedom.



one man's oppinion.:rolleyes:



The same can be said about you.


Originally posted by 20_cent
Maybe we ought to start implemeting that system here in the US....:shrug:


...ok I'm not serious but hearing these anti-war/anti-american comments are just fustrating.

The right to dissent is precious,to even joke about it being taken away is not funny.


Originally posted by buggy


If you support free expression, then you should support the store that refuses to sell their CD. That is a form of expression. :)

I choose to use my free expression in not supporting a store that does that [like I say,there are no stores boycotting DC in my area anyway].


Originally posted by Criminal
I would say that people who protest the war and the President are not anti American. I know many of these people. In fact I am one. I do not hate america. I love this country. That is why I protest.


I agree 100%.


Funny you should mention that. My neice is in the Army and she actually was in an anti war protest. She does do her work but she does not agree with what the war is being fought for.



:nice:


Originally posted by TexasRed132


BB... I don't think anyone in here would say that they are &quot;pro-war&quot; Who would want to go to war? It's a terrible thing. But since we're now at war, and it obviously can't be avoided (even if it could have before) we need to stand by the president (even if we disagree with him) and stop with the anti war rallies. That's not supporting our troops, if anything, it's discouraging them because it's like people are complaining about what they're fighting for.
I'm sorry ,but with all due respect I can't see what you are sying.

Originally posted by Criminal

Again that does not mean someone hates america. The system of government perhaps. I don't like Marxism because its obsolite in this day and age but I will never say a Marxist is un american.

That is only my opinion.

It's my opniion too.

:nice:

I believe in freedoms of speech. I do believe that the president does symbolise America, and by insulting the such a symbol is a slap in the face of America, particularly doing so on foreign soil. Having differing opinions that those of the president and voicing your disagreement is one thing, but to blatently insult the president is another. They took things too far in my book....

Originally posted by lm8077
I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much. Isn't it just as anti-American what you're doing, what the record stores are doing?

I may not like what they have to say, but America is becoming un-American if it's trying to censure them. Did you ever think maybe they were misquoted? It happens......

Originally posted by Diabhal
Isn't it just as anti-American what you're doing, what the record stores are doing?

How? Destroying your personal property in protest is exercising freedom of speech, just as much as standing on stage with a mike, just a smaller audience. Private businesses should have a right to sell what they want, when they want, that's the American way. Nobody said they can't say what they want, but why shouldn't a business be able to say that they don't want to echo it?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030423/capt.1051133564.dixie_chicks_ny123.jpg


kinda lame, if you ask me. i think they screwed up already, but it looks like they're pandering to a different audience now, to make up for the conservative fans they lost.

Originally posted by buttercup
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030423/capt.1051133564.dixie_chicks_ny123.jpg


kinda lame, if you ask me. i think they screwed up already, but it looks like they're pandering to a different audience now, to make up for the conservative fans they lost.


:eek: wow.

like they need anymore exposure, they are huge stars already

Well...aparently....they have been given death threats..




That SURE IS PATRIOTIC...to give other people death threats! :|

Originally posted by Scott
Well...aparently....they have been given death threats..




That SURE IS PATRIOTIC...to give other people death threats! :| Question, how many celebrities receive death threats every day for various reasons? There are morons out there who like to threaten to kill people for various reasons. I don't see what the big deal is about them receiving death threats. Its part of being a celebrity. If you don't like exposure, stay the **** off the stage. :|

Damn, I always thought they were a pretty group of gals but they look flat ugly nekkid... and I really can't say why. That pic is just... unappealing. It might have something to do with the personal disgust I now have towards them.

Anyways, they just did it for the money. That's the bottom line, make no mistake. Not that their is anything wrong with that, but be frickin' honest about it, ya know? They're acting like politicians. Do or say whatever it takes to get the vote.

Originally posted by jwreck
Question, how many celebrities receive death threats every day for various reasons? There are morons out there who like to threaten to kill people for various reasons. I don't see what the big deal is about them receiving death threats. Its part of being a celebrity. If you don't like exposure, stay the **** off the stage. :|


so when people generalize one retard holding a sign saying "kill the president"......to all liberals......it's really not huh? :|

Originally posted by Scott



so when people generalize one retard holding a sign saying "kill the president"......to all liberals......it's really not huh? :| :confused:

I saw the one who said the comment boo-hooing on TV yesterday because people are making threats, and people don't understand, and we were just speaking our minds, blah blah blah. You know what? If you're not ready to take the reprecussions of your words, don't say them. If you're going to have an opinion and are brave enough to say it, be brave enough to back it up then dammit don't back down and say "I didn't mean it like that". If you are a country artist and you express those opinions to that particular audience, that's your own stupid move.

Originally posted by Betty
I saw the one who said the comment boo-hooing on TV yesterday because people are making threats, and people don't understand, and we were just speaking our minds, blah blah blah. You know what? If you're not ready to take the reprecussions of your words, don't say them. If you're going to have an opinion and are brave enough to say it, be brave enough to back it up then dammit don't back down and say "I didn't mean it like that". If you are a country artist and you express those opinions to that particular audience, that's your own stupid move.

:werd:

Intresting that the press didn't publicize the fact that Natalie Mains said "But we support our troops 100%" immidiately right after the comment...




Intresting :|

Originally posted by Scott
Intresting that the press didn't publicize the fact that Natalie Mains said "But we support our troops 100%" immidiately right after the comment...




Intresting :| Actually, I did hear that. It doesn't matter, its a bs copout. Its like slapping your wife and then telling her that you love her. It doesn't make it right.so when people generalize one retard holding a sign saying "kill the president"......to all liberals......it's really not huh? I'd still like to know what this was supposed to mean.:confused:

Oh..so..pandering to an audience and then....taking it back is the same as domestic violence.....



sure... :|

How about no, Scott.

He was refering to the fact that they're only taking it back because it bit them in the butt the same way a wife beater will grovel for forgivness when the wife threatens to leave. The difference is that it's an audience leaving.

Amen, Betty.

Don't you just LOVE how some groups will cry freedom of speech to say whatever they want, but the second somebody else exercises THEIR freedom of speech to criticize the first person or group, it becomes hate speech & attempts at censorship?

The Ditzy Twits had the right to pander to that British audience any way they wanted to, BUT like any grown up, they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences of their words. They're free to say they're ashamed of the President, & we're free not to buy their music anymore. It really is just that simple.

But you are free to give them death threats?

Originally posted by jwreck
Question, how many celebrities receive death threats every day for various reasons? There are morons out there who like to threaten to kill people for various reasons. I don't see what the big deal is about them receiving death threats. Its part of being a celebrity. If you don't like exposure, stay the **** off the stage. :| I thought I'd repeat this post for scott, since he apparently missed the fact that it dealt with the death threat issues.

ps, I never sent anyone a death threat.

I don't think it's right to threaten anyone's life...


celeb or nothing..


seriously...if i ever became famous.....i woudln't want my life threatened...


i find it hard to belive that ANYONE would not feel uncompfortable from a SERIOUS death threat

Of course it's an uncomfortable feeling, but it their own fault. They stated their opinion to an audience that was obviously going to react negatively. If you're not willing to deal with the backlash, you should keep your mouth shut and find an alternate route to persue your agenda.

Ok....i can agree with dissagreement..



But we aren't talking about Critics saying their music is too main stream....


we are talking about death threats! .........come on! :rolleyes:

A few bad apples...:shrug:

Originally posted by Scott
I don't think it's right to threaten anyone's life...


celeb or nothing..


seriously...if i ever became famous.....i woudln't want my life threatened...


i find it hard to belive that ANYONE would not feel uncompfortable from a SERIOUS death threat I never said it was right, I said its a fact that goes with being a celebrity? How many times has Marilyn Manson received death threats? Hell, Jerry Seinfield has received death threats. Why do you think celebrities hire bodyguards?

Still...


:hitit: :hitit: :hitit:

Originally posted by jwreck
I never said it was right, I said its a fact that goes with being a celebrity? How many times has Marilyn Manson received death threats? Hell, Jerry Seinfield has received death threats. Why do you think celebrities hire bodyguards?




But you still sound like you are trying to justify those few actions...



Eh...they are celebs...who cares.....


and it's that complacetcy that dosen't solve any problems...just lets them fester

Originally posted by Scott





But you still sound like you are trying to justify those few actions...



Eh...they are celebs...who cares.....


and it's that complacetcy that dosen't solve any problems...just lets them fester I'm not trying to justify anything. I didn't say it shouldn't be illegal. Its certainly not the way to lend any credence whatsoever to a cause. What I am saying is that it doesn't make them the martyrs they are desperately trying to be. It doesn't even make them unique. Yes, death threats are a problem and should be handled. However, playing the victim and crying to the media about it is not the way it gets solved.

Originally posted by jwreck
it doesn't make them the martyrs they are desperately trying to be.

:werd:
Nobody here is justifying it.

Really....it dosen't make them martyrs?


you don't think they are unfairly being singled out?

When you publicly comment on something, you single yourself out. You single yourself out to be criticized, or sided with. That's just kind of how the ball rolls.

I didn't see you posting in the threads about soldier's Mom's getting calls that their sons had been killed during duty, what gives? Why are you single out one atrocious act and not another? Isn't that unfair of me? To compare your comment on here to the another extreme. It is exactly what you're doing. You're thinking folks excuse death threats when they are basically saying, they're getting what they gave in regards to the negative feedback they've recieved.

Originally posted by Scott
Really....it dosen't make them martyrs?


you don't think they are unfairly being singled out? Dude, are you smokin crack? Have you read anything I've written? How are they being singled out?

Originally posted by jwreck
Dude, are you smokin crack?



nice retort

i didnt think my level of respect for the dixie chicks could go any lower.
until i saw that magazine cover.

Originally posted by RightWingZealot
i didnt think my level of respect for the dixie chicks could go any lower.
until i saw that magazine cover.

Ditto that

It's art and rhetoric all at the same time..


i caught their message.

They are branded by the lies that people say about them...and are vunerable by being naked to these lies

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.

More like, "Please ignore all the dumb **** that was said and focus on our sex appeal". Add a weak attempt at artistic value, and folks like Scott eat it up.

Damn, it's not like they said "F the USA I hope those American pigs all die"


I agree entirely with what they said, I'd be embarassed if he was from my state too, I'm actually embarassed he's from the states.

This political correctness is sickening. And so is Bush..

Originally posted by Scott




nice retort Nice dodge. So why don't you answer the question? How are they being singled out? (btw, I wish you'd debate like a grown up, I'm tired of making every point twice)

Thanks for attacking me again.


Ok...don't think they are being singled out?

How bout when charlten heston said he thinks problems with america today is the minorities.... in the movie bowling for columbine?...

think what you will about that movie...he said that ON CAMREA.


Ok..did you see the black community rise up and burn all his movies?....take fork lifts to his posters?....did "liberal" ask to have his Oscars revoked?...



NO


And yet...the dixie chicks get singled out....so yes...they are being singled out...

If there was no war, they would not have been singled out......plain and simple..

NO, they're not being singled out. MANY celebrities recieve death threats for various reasons. That was my earlier point. The Dixie Chics are not the only ones. You don't think Charleton Heston has never received a death threat? He just doesn't wine about it to the media(not that the media would report that anyway). Marilyn Manson has received death threats, long before there was a war. Besides, as I said before, death threats are illegal, and should be handled accordingly. Think about it, if others receive death threats from wackos, then how are the Dixie Chics special for receiving death threats from wackos? Face it, a person who will send anyone a death threat is not right, they don't speak for me, and they are criminals who should be in jail.Thanks for attacking me again.
Sorry, but its really frustrating repeating myself.

A brief summary of my thoughts:

1) People are entitled to say what they want to.
2) Within the bounds of the law, people are entitled to respond to others' speech as they see fit. If that extends to telling the first lot of speakers that they're goodfernothing c***niblicking f***os, so it goes. Same thing applies to (not) buying records or throwing out those you already own.
3) Death threats are neither cool nor legal.
4) A law should be passed prohibiting those women from ever being photographed in the nude again. Good lord, I think one of them has a rectangular face. Most distressing.

:|

Originally posted by Scott Ok..did you see the black community rise up and burn all his movies?....take fork lifts to his posters?....did "liberal" ask to have his Oscars revoked?...

And?

They had their chance.:shrug:

Ok...regardless of what they said....



do you think it was a fair reaction from what they said?

Originally posted by Scott
Ok...regardless of what they said....



do you think it was a fair reaction from what they said? What reaction are you talking about? The death threats? I've already said that death threats are bad. The boycotts? Yes. Those are perfectly fair. Burning your own records? Fair, but rather pointless if you ask me.

Yep. What he said.

They aren't singing anything anti-American, are they?

If you like the music, why deprive yourself of it? The music hasn't changed.

I'm sure homophobes dance to 'Tainted Love' after one too many man's drinks on Retro night. Right?

If it's just a personal thing, stop reading their interviews, watching the 'Behind the Music' specials, reading their biographies.

Before I say anything else, I agree wholeheartedly with the Dixie Chicks. I am from Texas, and I am ashamed that Bush is from the same place as me.

Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your country.
Just because he "represents" America does not mean I should support him. I do not like him, nor do I support him, because I disagree not only with his political positions but with many of his actions as President. The fact that "he is [MY] president" means that I have the right to support or not support him. He may represent my country, but he is not my country.

You are fooling yourself if you think you can separate anti war from anti troops. It doesn't happen that way. Think of the troops, how they feel with the anti war demonstrations. Come on let's give them ALL of our support not just half.
It does happen that way. I support anyone who is defends my country. I even support anyone who is sent on a misguided, senseless mission to kill others by someone whom I do not support at all. I do not support the war, I support the people.

Why can't they practise the number 1 ammendment? Yeah I don't agree with what she said, but don't ruin the music with the politics. What are you trying to prove anyway-they don't care what you think,you already spent the money for the cd. It's just too bad that all these people who got rid of their cds think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are being the total opposite. Oh well, it's just the ignorance a lot of people in this country share.

"Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your country."

Tell that to the majority of Americans who voted for Gore in the 2000 election! I'm sorry for bringing this topic up again but the Dixie Chicks have the right to their opinion..

What's worse.. critizing your president or being the president and deliberately lying to your own people because all you want is oil... the Bush family has always been about profit.. I doubt many of you know about Prescott Bush who did business with the Nazis before WWII... did he care of who he was dealing with?

They should have been done away with the moment they got the idea in their heads to do "Landslide". :not:


Some songs should never be touched other than by the original artist. :hmm:

Its a complete joke to attack the Dixie Chicks. As much as there music sucks (and oh it does), the idea that you MUST support your govt. at all times is outrageous bull**** that leads to scenarios like Germany in WWII. So **** that outrageous idea of having to support your president.

I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.


So is dosent matter if someone can sing well or not; if they dont share the same views as you, they arent worth a crap?

Guess I'll never sell any CD's, then :p

So is dosent matter if someone can sing well or not; if they dont share the same views as you, they arent worth a crap?

Guess I'll never sell any CD's, then :p

A performer isn't about acting or singing well...they are about representing the people they want to identify with them. If their targetted audience doesn't....well...it was a crappy judgement call. I suggest the Dixie Chicks target the college crowd....ofcourse I'm not at all sure that's the audience who wants to listen to their music. SO....they should've thought before they talked............

Hey it got 'em a lot of publicity,I don't think they won in the end though did they?
BTW perceptive post,Zoot!

Hey it got 'em a lot of publicity,I don't think they won in the end though did they?
BTW perceptive post,Zoot!

Oh Noooooooooooo..not the audience THEY were goofing with! How retarded was THAT call????

Good point, but I still think that they should be intitled to an opinion without bad publicity.

Well as Bill Maher had said those Dixie Chicks are a real threat They are Al Queda right?
I find in amusing when people get all upset over someone elses thoughts this is what being free means people you have to put up with others opinions and thoughts not just your own. You call them Anti America when the fact of the matter is they are using their rights to say their opinion if that is not American than what is. Everyone knows Bushs only agenda is for him and his buddies to remain rich.

People took this Dixie Chick thing WAY to seriously... because they voiced their opinion people took the oppertunity to take anger out on them... Is Bush and all his supporters all so naive to think that everyone is happy in America and that everyone likes Bush? Attacking Bush is not the same as attacking America...

Here's another thing I don't get... the Dixie Chicks made fun of Bush.... Greenday writes lyrics that are considered anti-american (American Idiot and Holiday) yet no one seems to give damn.... :confused:

Not that I want that... I've always liked Greenday... I just find it weird no one is calling them unpatriotic

I don't know anything about Greenday but the Dixie chicks' timing was bad.Bush still had some stature in the polls...Zoot's right too,who your audience is,is everything...

People took this Dixie Chick thing WAY to seriously... because they voiced their opinion people took the oppertunity to take anger out on them... Is Bush and all his supporters all so naive to think that everyone is happy in America and that everyone likes Bush? Attacking Bush is not the same as attacking America...

Here's another thing I don't get... the Dixie Chicks made fun of Bush.... Greenday writes lyrics that are considered anti-american (American Idiot and Holiday) yet no one seems to give damn.... :confused:

Not that I want that... I've always liked Greenday... I just find it weird no one is calling them unpatriotic


That's what I'm saying!!! I don't get that either. :confused:

look at the difference between the fan base of green day and the dixie chicks. notice any differences?

Yeah, jwreck, huge difference in fan base...

I didn't like the Dixie Chicks before, and I still have no use for them.

Timing is everything.

There is a difference between going on a talk show and discussing your political views and performing a concert on foreign soil and making a derogatory statement about the President (don't care if it's Bush, Clinton or anyone) to get a crowd response. It's the same as protesting the government on foreign soil...

look at the difference between the fan base of green day and the dixie chicks. notice any differences?

i'm a fan of both... then again my music tastes vary considerably...

A performer isn't about acting or singing well...they are about representing the people they want to identify with them. If their targetted audience doesn't....well...it was a crappy judgement call. I suggest the Dixie Chicks target the college crowd....ofcourse I'm not at all sure that's the audience who wants to listen to their music. SO....they should've thought before they talked............

And this is why all the music most people listen to is formulaic paint-by-numbers bull****. Target markets? Awesome. I'd suggest that the Dixie Chicks - and anyone else - should live life with integrity, play the music they love and say what they believe. If people like it, so much the better. If they get offended or disgusted, they can deal with it.

It's funny, really, how people got into fits because of what the Dixie chicks said, when there's a whole lot of music with more 'anti-American' lyrics out there.

It's the same all over, everywhere that you go
People doing the same things, cause its all they know
Boredoms a virus, it breeds and it spreads
To millions of people, who are already dead

Another night in America (x4)

They hate their jobs, and they hate their lives
They yell at their kids, and they beat up their wifes
They can watch tv, and they drink their beer
And days turn to weeks, and weeks turn to years

Another night in America (x4)

Another night in America, as our dreams they die and our lives are used up (x2)

(Another night)
Another night in America (x4)

From the Suicide File. They also have songs about Ashcroft and Kissinger. And Hollywood. And how much they hate you.

It's funny how when country musicians air 'anti-American' views, there's a national controversy. When punk, metal or hardcore vocalists do, no one notices....and what they say tends to be a little more violent and aggressive than any half-hearted waffle people with publicists gabble on about.

And Greenday suck now too. At least they used to be happy and musically terrible. Now they're depressing and musically terrible.

I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.


LOL It pleases me to see that the Dixie Chicks, who used to be an annoying band rising in popularity is now an annoying pariah. :D

I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO crirtisizing a man who fights for everything the US stands against is Anti-american?????

DAMN,,,tell me how did u get so F*cking stupid????

If u truly love the US u would be totaly agaisnt the bush goverement, I would prefer my country to be lead by a real leader and not some oil thirsty, redneck, *******.

It's the same all over, everywhere that you go
People doing the same things, cause its all they know
Boredoms a virus, it breeds and it spreads
To millions of people, who are already dead

Another night in America (x4)

They hate their jobs, and they hate their lives
They yell at their kids, and they beat up their wifes
They can watch tv, and they drink their beer
And days turn to weeks, and weeks turn to years

Another night in America (x4)

Another night in America, as our dreams they die and our lives are used up (x2)

(Another night)
Another night in America (x4)


If we truly are the "Land of the free" we MUST accept and encorage critisism, its the only way we can improve.

Yeah. If Dixie Chicks are evil, for criticising Bush...how about Ramallah?


Lyrical gold includes:


...I'd love to detonate a car bomb at the doors of your precious MTV and put some sarin gas in the central AC at the VMAs and watch those beautiful faces turn ashen grey...

Not nasty enough? Well, what about:

Kill a celebrity, hey kid you're under 18 you'll prolly get off easy so feel free to blame it on me, hey kid just remember if you blame it on me I'll take the heat and you can plead insanity…

Not political enough?

Here come the 757s. If you don't ask why then you deserve to die

...

I want to cut the brakes of every SUV in the world. And I'd love to burn down to ashes every jewelry store in the world. I'd love to drown in crude oil every 'spring break' beach in the world. I'd love to slap awake every sheep that puts their faith in the monsters that run this world. My heart's so full of love...I'd love to rape a Hilton sister or kill an FM show director and piss on the illusions that you hold so dear....

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85393

I destroyed my Dixie Chicks CDs. I will not buy another one. Their anti-Americanism is too much.

Where have you been?:D They made a stupid comment about how they are ashamed that George W. Bush is also from Texas. They are a bunch of morons.


Criticizing a lying, worthless warmonger is not anti-Americanism, it's simply anti-Bushism, and to fail to see the difference is idiocy.

There are only two songs I like by the Chicks, so I don't consider myself a fan, but I despise a great deal about the shrub and his lackey apologists.
Still, I agree that Maines' comment was both stupid and shameful, because dubya is NOT from Texas, having been born in Connecticut, while his vile daddy hails from Massachusetts. To perpetuate this common misconception is an insult to Texas.

the Dixie Chicks should be euthanized. :|

i think its funny that they've virtually fallen off the face of the earth. if only all moronic celebreties who like to "enlighten" us poor masses would follow suite. i like the idea of consequences for alienating your base audience.

Why should artists just focus on tedious anf generic love-songs instead of standing up for whatever they believe in? I have more respect for bands like One Life Crew and Skrewdriver who write shocking and offensive music advocating things I loathe and detest than plastic, produced 'artists' who write songs about nothing...

Why should a musician be forced to be nothing more than a generic celebrity pandering to a pathetic and apathetic audience?

well, you can't go from little miss music row approved good housekeeping seal of aproval to political activist and not catch some flack. i'm all for standing up for your beliefs, but her conviction doesn't impress me when an apology immediately follows the backlash. the plastic backbone seems to have been lacking...

Yeah, the apology was pathetic. That's pop-music for you.

Let's be honest here. The Dixie Chixs have a great sound, and any one who thinks other wise just doesn't have a good hear for music. They have apologized, and it has to sound a little corny so it can be called politically correct. They are coming out with a new CD in May 2006, and the fact that people will send them hate letters that say they will kill them, or tell their children to hate them is just sad. The Chixs are asking for forgivness, who are any of us to not give it to them. Yes they shouldn't have said what they did where they did, but cut them some slack, she was just trying to get the crowd to have a good time and most of them don't like the President. I myslef love him, and I think it's America itself that needs to clean it's act up.

Bush represents America, sorry, but if you're Anti-Bush then you're anti what he stands for which is American.... You're entitled to your opinion of not liking him but even if you are "anti-Bush" you should still support him because he is YOUR president and the person representing your county

I dont really feel like reading this whole thing so I just popped in for a second to ask one qustion.....Does this moron still post here? :eek7: