Just a general observation on my part. I am a avid watcher of the history channel and rather obsessed with anything to do with WW 2. I have noted that there are a great many people who have interests in the Nazi Germany. Perhaps it is not because these people have any love for Hitler or the political philosphy of the nazi regeim but what they find interesting is the heraldry of the Nazi German millitary. I have seen in many millitary magazines advertizements for various collectors items. I am totally aware that Hitler and his bunch are as bad as they come. All the same the German Millitary Uniforms of that era had a certain unique style. German propaganda posters and films depected German males as being strong, emotionless and invincible against any foe. The uniforms and insignias reflected this sense of dignity.

This was of course a big lie, but to sell such a lie took an incredible effort. That was the purpose of propaganda, the tourch light parades, the uniforms, the banners, the ceremonies and the songs. They were to sell the ideo that the Nazis were promoting. Perhaps its good that we do understand how the Nazi's sold their ideas so we can understand what attracts people to evil.

This is going to open a big can of worms, you brought it up though Criminal :p

They ought to rename the History Channel the "24 Hour, War Station."


What i find most fascinating about the whole Nazi business is the occult elements. I used to be pretty well versed in all the intricacies of the Nazi business but not so much anymore so i dont recall all the particulars. Anyway, the inner sanctum of Hitlers regime were into all kinds of magic n shit. Theres a photo of H-dawg in full on Templar robes preforming some blood ritual or something in an old Austrian castle. See Hitler got his start with these cultist guys: Guido Von List and Lanz Von Lebenfels or something like that. Anyway they were into ritual magic and such and Hitler carried it over to his politics. The mass rallies, carefull regimentation, symbols and all that have their roots in ritual magic which is basically psychological in nature and involves focusing on patterns and creating a sort of mind over body thing (similar to a fancy version of yoga). Like the way they used to consecrate the battle flags with the original standard from the Beer Hall Putsch. Hell when the allies captured Mussolini the Nazis dragged in all the psychics and diviners they could find and used magnets n shit to discern his location then they sent out troops and guess what they found him!

Hitler used all this incredible symbolism and ritual to get people really fired up to the point where their emotions overwhelmed their rationality. He took lessons in speaking from a stage magician, hence the melodrama of his speechs. He even used rockstar type tricks like making people stand around for hours before taking the podium, thumping music to get people pumped before he came on stage. Of course he had a great PR machine and talented propagandists. All this shit was soo effective that it continues to resonate with people today. Take away Hitlers personality and all the imagery and regalia and the whole thing loses most of its intrigue.

The shit behind the SS is like the pinacle of bizarreness too, ill post on that later.

What I think is interesting about Hitler are his speeches. I cant understand any German, but when they show a video of his speeches, he is clearly a much better orator than any politician i can think of. Even though I cant understand him, he sounds and looks like a charismatic and influential leader. It is not at all surprising that he was able to organize Germany behind his awful ideologies.

Originally posted by Thutmose
What I think is interesting about Hitler are his speeches. I cant understand any German, but when they show a video of his speeches, he is clearly a much better orator than any politician i can think of. Even though I cant understand him, he sounds and looks like a charismatic and influential leader. It is not at all surprising that he was able to organize Germany behind his awful ideologies.

Thats is what I find fascinating...just how he was able to sway his masses to do what they did. It kinda goes on with that quote tam posted in the lounge...

But his oratory power was amazing.

I think he could have sold sand to a man dying of thirst in a desert. :-)

Originally posted by Criminal
Just a general observation on my part. I am a avid watcher of the history channel and rather obsessed with anything to do with WW 2. I have noted that there are a great many people who have interests in the Nazi Germany. Perhaps it is not because these people have any love for Hitler or the political philosphy of the nazi regeim but what they find interesting is the heraldry of the Nazi German millitary.


The Nazi war machine was absolutely astonishing when it began its reign of terror. They were highly mechanized, organized and motivated. A scary combination no doubt...

On the subject of Hitler's oratory...

That's a critical point. He was a fiery speaker that mesmerized his audience with inflammatory and nationalistic rhetoric.

I think it should be noted, though, that without the Depression there would have been no Hitler.

Originally posted by eanax



The Nazi war machine was absolutely astonishing when it began its reign of terror. They were highly mechanized, organized and motivated. A scary combination no doubt...

On the subject of Hitler's oratory...

That's a critical point. He was a fiery speaker that mesmerized his audience with inflammatory and nationalistic rhetoric.

I think it should be noted, though, that without the Depression there would have been no Hitler.
This is what was most chilling. Remember that to build a death factory like Auchowicz took a great deal of effort. The Nazis made mass murder into a sceince. They engineered death they same way automobiles are engineered.

Originally posted by CodyChaos
This is going to open a big can of worms, you brought it up though Criminal :p

They ought to rename the History Channel the "24 Hour, War Station."


What i find most fascinating about the whole Nazi business is the occult elements
That was really interesting. Did you find this out in the History Channel also?

I think that using the Swastika was rather interesting. The Swastika was a symbol of Indian origin. It was believed to be a way to identify a link to the "Aryan" origins of the Germanic people. The word Aryan was of Sanscrit origin. The real Aryans were indo-european speaking invaders of India. The Nazi propagandists used the term to include all indo european peoples, particularly those of nordic racial types. It was all phoney science but it was studied religiously in Nazi Germany.

There's a couple of books out on the subject too Criminal... Kind of old and maybe hard to come by at this point as well. One was called 'The Occult History of The Third Reich' or something like that. Cody seems more up on this than I, so he might be able to tell you the exact titles of the books.

As for his comment about it being the 24 hour, war station... I've heard some people refer to the History Channel as 'The Hitler Channel' as well:D

Originally posted by Criminal

This is what was most chilling. Remember that to build a death factory like Auchowicz took a great deal of effort. The Nazis made mass murder into a sceince. They engineered death they same way automobiles are engineered.

At least some of that purpose was to stop the world (Jewish, according to Hitler et al) takeover, the 'plan' for this takeover described in some detail in some of my old posts in a different thread ...

for example
No.14
6. Who will ever suspect then that ALL THESE PEOPLES WERE STAGE-MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO A POLITICAL PLAN WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT IN THE COURSE OF MANY CENTURIES?

and

NO.4
4. In order to give the OTHERS no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade.

5. …Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give.

Stopping this Jewish world takeover was the assignment of the SS.

Originally posted by Shadowhawk

As for his comment about it being the 24 hour, war station... I've heard some people refer to the History Channel as 'The Hitler Channel' as well:D
LOL
I dont really think that it is intentionally slanted to any point of view. All the same the history channel does deal mainly with "Millitary" history and little else. Not that millitary history is not important but there does seem to be little emphasis on other aspects of history.

I don't know if that came so much as an allegation of being slanted Criminal, it just seems that they do concentrate almost exclusively on military history, and the majority of that does seem to be WWII Europe, hence the nickname:)

I know some people claim the History Channel has a left wing bias, but to be honest, I don't watch it enough to make a jugement there one way or the other.

Originally posted by eanax
I think it should be noted, though, that without the Depression there would have been no Hitler.

If he got accepted into the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts like he wanted, he probably would never have become a political leader either. If he married his neice like he wanted, who knows what would have happened. But what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? :rolleyes:

The First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire. The Second Reich was formed by Bismark in 1871. Hitler promised a Third Reich to glorify the Germany. He was unique because his revolution was to occur after he gained control of the state.

International Banks and corporations made him a well financed master of propaganda, delivering the propaganda product to the Germans who were desperate to unshackle themselves from the constraints of the Treaty of Versailles and who began to believe his lies and objectives.

The Nazification of Germany occurred through conspiracies such as the Reichstag fire and infiltration of state institutions and military. There were a number of conspiracies throughout his 12 year rule up until the night he shot himself in the mouth. Historians are intrigued by conspiracies that occured and how they are used again on populations of people.

I saw a production of Mephisto the other day. Its al based on a true story about a bunch of actors in Germany during the Nazi rise to power. Anyway the character that was most fascinating was this one actor who was a National Socialist from the early days prior to the Beer Hall Putsch. He gets fired by the guys that run the theatre for being anti semetic but 10 years later when the nazis nationalize the theatre they invite him back. He tells them though that he didnt support the nazi party in order to become just another cog in their oppressive system and that he joined the Nazi party because he believed jews were responsible for germanys defeat in world war I and he though the nazis would help the unemployed and working class poor, the nazis are pissed by his dissent and kill him.

I just thought it was interesting to think that alot of people probably got caught up in the Nazis not because they were evil but simply misguided and the thing kinda snow balled and probably evolved into something many people hadnt expected but by the time it did no one was willing to speak out.

Originally posted by CodyChaos
just thought it was interesting to think that alot of people probably got caught up in the Nazis not because they were evil but simply misguided and the thing kinda snow balled and probably evolved into something many people hadnt expected but by the time it did no one was willing to speak out.


Isn't this how most evil occurs?

No doubt about it. I never blame the people of a country when a country has a government gone wild. Just look at Afghanistan. A lot of people wanted to nuke Afghanistan back into the Jurassic age, (the poor bastards are still in the stone age), but we find the Afghans have been manipulated by other countries and various criminal warlords.

According to Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, the Germans differed a little under their Nazi regime than the Italians under Benito Musolini. The Italians didn't have the industrial resources and were not attracted to Nazi-type false ambitions and never completely embraced their Italian fascist regime like the Germans did theirs. But then again it could have be a reflection of Hitler's complete system of propaganda and organization and threat of death to dissenters.

Interestingly, Hitler was giving Mussolini a pep talk in 1943, 2 weeks before the Italian government had decided they had had enough war and voted to restore the consitutoinal monarchy with a democratic parliament. The once arrogant proud Mussolini strutting around was then carted off to the police station and anti-fascists were set free from the jails.

To blanketly hate all Germans for the faults of the 3rd Reich is about as stupid and pointless as it was for the Nazis to hate Jews, is it not?

Originally posted by Snouter
No doubt about it. I never blame the people of a country when a country has a government gone wild

I am guessing you are referring to me. Did you mistakenly think I was sacastic? Read more carefully. ;)

even though i do not like the guy and wish him in his followers to burn, it is still interesting to realize that though the actions of 1 man *and alot of support staff* he was able to bring a country out of ruins, rampant poverty, hyper inflation, into a power house, in less then 5 years.(i think it was around 5)

Not to my knowledge, no other country in the world was able to do that as quicikly

not to mention his ability to skirt around treaties and not get into trouble

He didn't get in trouble because the rest of the world treated him like a rabid dog on a short leash, which turned out to be much longer than most people thought. But really, in this matter, hindsight is 20/20.

Hitler was right. Jews are evil in every sense of the word. Read David Duke's book, "My Awakeing", and you shall see the light.

I'm sure Tam & Scott just for atarters will be happy to hear that... :rolleyes:

But if a literary & intellectual giant like David Duke said it, it MUST be true. :eek: News flash! ALL people deserve to be judged on their individual merits (or lack thereof) and not on some generalized group ID

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
I'm sure Tam & Scott just for atarters will be happy to hear that... :rolleyes:

But if a literary & intellectual giant like David Duke said it, it MUST be true. :eek: News flash! ALL people deserve to be judged on their individual merits (or lack thereof) and not on some generalized group ID

All that you can do is sensor me. You commie! WHITE PEOPLE AWAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by TheMan


All that you can do is sensor me. You commie! WHITE PEOPLE AWAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all, it's 'censor', and yes you're heading in that direction:D And, no, I don't believe in state ownership and control of the country's means of production as if that's at all relevent here:D

Oh, and coincidentally, I'm Scots & German, and very much awake as well:)

Is he being serious?

Sorry about "sensor", I am a bit wasted.

Originally posted by TheMan
Hitler was right. Jews are evil in every sense of the word

Funny... half the middle east thinks exactly the same, only about americans.... it's all so relative..........

but it doesn't matter, as you're banned