Hey, fordman, considering I probably have more beef with you than anyone else on this forum since those jackass neo-nazi punks left, let's settle this like 2 normally adjusted adults. So, let's air the dirty laundry. First question for you. Do you hate import cars themselves, or people who drive them? Or do you just not hate either, and just like picking on me for the sake of picking on me?

Pity he hasn't seen some of the furballs you've gotten in with Turbostang behind closed Admin forum doors, eh Ian? :D

Well, have at it guys, I'm staying outta the way from here on out.

Hmmm, maybe I should join forces with turbostang, like a joint coalition.

Hehehehe! You know what they say about paybacks...

First off, I dont have the slightest bit of a beef with you (or anyone really) I dont take internet shit too seriously. BUT I can see how you could have gotten your feelings hurt since I did lay the smack down and destroyed all your week arguments :D

People who know me, know that I am not into hate. Hate is evil and destroys those who posess it. I forgive and forget. I also have no problem with import cars at all. There are many fine ones out there.

My problem is with those who think that US cars suck and the US car drivers are neanderthals (who cant spell :D) and eat raw meat. My problem is with those import drivers who have zero consideration for how their purchases effect their country that they suposedly love. Its one thing to really have no understanding of how profoundly buying US help this country, buts another not to care, or even worse, say "its the definition of freedom." What an insult to all those who died in the name of freedom.


PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, BE AMERICAN, BUY AMERICAN!

Have a nice day :)

Oh goodie... this is just the mindless no-brainer type of post that I was hoping you would make.

Ian, you are what is referred to as a shit disturber. See, you may not be into hate persay, but you ARE definately the type of person who GETS OFF on creating hard feelings and saying nasty things to people. The way I see it, that makes you just as bad.

Let's take this post for example...

First off, I dont have the slightest bit of a beef with you (or anyone really) I dont take internet shit too seriously. BUT I can see how you could have gotten your feelings hurt since I did lay the smack down and destroyed all your week arguments

Dude, you couldn't sell a glass of water to a man dying of thirst in the middle of the Sahara. If our arguements are weak, then you have NO arguement at all. The best I have seen you do is "Nyaa, Bush sucks"... Come on, any five year old can do that good.

I have yet to see you answer any of the questions put to you. Why don't you start by answering FatChicks. Do you hate imports, or the people who drive them?

. I also have no problem with import cars at all. There are many fine ones out there.

So you say... you just have a problem with the people who buy them.

My problem is with those who think that US cars suck and the US car drivers are neanderthals (who cant spell ) and eat raw meat.

At least I'm not the only one who thinks of you as a neanderthal.

My problem is with those import drivers who have zero consideration for how their purchases effect their country that they suposedly love. Its one thing to really have no understanding of how profoundly buying US help this country, buts another not to care, or even worse, say "its the definition of freedom." What an insult to all those who died in the name of freedom.

Well, I guess that's your answer. You hate people who drive imports.

This is where you are being a stupid ******* again. First off, I'll buy what I damn well please, and I don't give a rats ass if you like it or not. Furthermore, I dare you to tell me to my face that I am unAmerican or unpatriotic for buying an import... I'll guarantee you a trip to the dentists office.

Insult to freedom? With the way you spout off about how people owe you a living, and the way you tell people what they can drive, and if they can stick an American flag on their car or not, I thought you were a flag waving communist. You my friend are the insult to freedom.

If YOU really care about American jobs and the American economy, maybe YOU ought to go protest Ford and GM for moving their factories south of the boarder so they can exploit cheap labor under NAFTA.

Can't reply long, but well, Fordman, I don't really take this too seriously either. But you truly are a jerk online, which leads me to the assumption that you're an ******* in person, too. Weak arguements? Please remind me of what some of those were. You were the one who stopped posting on the thread once it came out that you have previously purchased an import car, and (gasp)a Honda at that! Not just any import car, but the bane of domestics itself! It truly shows your character what kind of attitude you walked onto this thread with. I was trying to be nice, but that didn't last long with how you act.

That Honda I refured to was actually my live in gfs. I just got to drive and maintain it for 4 years.

Sorry you feel so strongly dude. Didnt know I could have that kind of effect on people. I think you have given me too much power over you TBH. All I can say is I wouldnt take this internet so seriously if I were you. You seem to really let it get to you bad. I honestly dont remember most of that thread which had such an effect on you. In fact, until THIS thread, you were not even on my radar in any real way (not to belittle you, I just didnt know you had these feelings). My thread on Import cars and the US economy certainly WAS NOT a personal attack on YOU by any means. Just MY opinion on world economics and all. I was just editorialising in that thread. This is still a free coutry isnt it? I know I'm not politically correct in THIS jaded day and age but PC is not high on my list of abmirable qualities either. Feel free to hate me for my beliefs if you want. I have NO such feeling for any of you what so ever. Hate and hurtfull words are not a value I hold. Life is too short sit around stressing on past insults and hate. Let it go and you will be a happier, healthier person. Anyway, I appoligize if you felt singled out or abused somehow. I get kinda wrapped up in my issues sometimes ;)

Happy holidays and may God bless you and your family with good fortune and health!

(BTW Gary, You'll be happy to know that I didnt even take the time to read your post since this was clearly a two man thread. I will add this though Gary, its a shame that your not man enough to let by-gones be by-gones and you have to keep rehashing stupid old shit. Give it a rest doood its getting real old and kinda sad frankly. Find someone else to hate. Dont you have some leaves to rake?)

I don't hate you Ian... actually, in a perverse way, I kind of like you. That still doesn't stop you from being what you are, namely an inconsiderate *******.

See, it's kind of like when you blamed me the time Manu banned Stupidfly. You jumped on my case, blaming me, saying it was politically motivated, that I was power hungry, etc. You didn't take the time to figure out what Stupidfly did, or what really happened. As it is, you were completely wrong about what happened. Thing is, YOU could have done like most adults do and made an apology. Instead, you take more cheap shots at me. Lucky for you I'm not a vengeful person... otherwise I could have stripped you of your moderator status right then and there. That's not to say that you might not push one of us too far one of these days.

Think about it.

(BTW Ian, I don't believe you. )

This is kinda good guys...

Like "Days of our Lives" or something like that.

Originally posted by Powerboss
This is kinda good guys...

Like "Days of our Lives" or something like that.

More like "As the Stomach Turns."

I was going to stay out of this, but I can't sit here and watch you guys trash Ian like this. I know him personally and have visited his house and hung out with him on many occasions. While I totally disagree with almost every single one of his political philosophies, I think he's a damn nice guy and consider myself lucky to have a friend like him. He's the sort of guy that's willing to lend a helping hand where it's needed and I'd bet that if either of you guys were in need of help, Ian would be one of the first ones to step up and give it to you.

my $.02

Nic, I don't think anyone is trying to say that in 'real life' Ian is a jerk. His compassion and his character is pretty clear in his posts. But I think Ian does tend to rail on people to get a rise out of them. Hell, Ian has admitted to this many times. It is just that doing so causes some people to be rubbed the wrong way...which is what we're seeing here. :D

Rather than re-type a rather lengthly opinion here I'll simply paste my reply to Ian's voiced concerns about Fight Club's usefulness in The Staff Forum...

I don't think it's redundant at all, given the opportunity it give to REALLY let loose about something. It potentially keeps the rest of the board "cleaner" (for lack of a better term) by "keeping t inside the ring" as well. We're free (in theory - LMAO!) to stick to the issues in the other forums. The only forums I see as redundant at this point are "The Lounge" and the "Fun Facts, Trivia & Questions" forum. They seem to handle the same kind of traffic anymore...

I should probably just keep my mouth shut here, but as for personal attacks... When you deliberately try to yank someone's chain with an off color joke or by "trying to evoke an emotional response (ie piss them off - LOL!)" you've got to expect that the people you're debating with are gonna get really upset at times. I'm not saying it's right, just human nature. Personally Ian I don't think you're as bad a guy as some here would make you out to be... If you were, you'd have goten all pissed off yourself when I messed with you about being a Yankee because you live north of Atlanta

That said, as someone who's been trained in classic public speaking style debate, debates are won with logical presentation of accurate facts. It's that way 90% of the time in the real world as well. Playing on emotion only normally works for politicians dealing with the dumbed down masses

Don't expect to automaticly change peoples' minds either. Generally people are going to believe what they want to regardless of the facts. Then there's always the old cliche about the truth usually being somwhere in the middle. Anyway, for what my personal advice is worth, use the forums as an opportunity to further develope your own critical thinking and communications skills. If you actually learn something or change someone else's perspective, that's just icing on the cake

OK, I'm getting the hell off my soap box now...

Ian makes me laugh. 'Nuff said.

Well Nic, that's part of the problem. I DON'T know Ian outside of the internet... all I have to go by is the way he presents himself here.

See, this thread is classic Ian. First, let's start with a few quotes from the thread that started it all...

PLEASE dont have the ODASITY to put those Chinese made, Waltmart bought, American flag stickers on you foriegn cars again like they did back in the Gulf War. After all the grief and pain of this grim Tuesday, I dont think I could stand to see my flag desicrated in that way. I might just snap and rip it off or give you a piece of my mind

Telling people what kind of cars they can stick a flag on, and THREATENING them if they do so? Not nice.

I get mad when I see people putting U.S. flags on import cars because I feel that these people are selfishly harming our economy. As soon as a war breaks out, all the foul weather patriots come out of the woodwork. People who otherwise WONT put their money where their mouth is (not full time patriots)!

So anyone who buys an import is "a foul weather patriot"? Buying a foreign car is not patriotic?

First, I happen to own a Ford that was built in Germany... since my car is foreign built, that means he is suggesting that I am not a patriot. I find that offensive.

Then statements are pretty common to Ian in general... paints him as an intellectual flyweight.

While you consider it "disrespectfull" to rag on Americans that (selfishly IMHO if not uninformed) buy imports yet wave the flag, I on the other hand find it extreamly disrectfull to invest your money in another country, robbing the US of jobs and your $$$. See where I am coming from?

Now it's DISRESPECTUL to buy an import? Gee, i wonder how many appliances in Ian's home were made in China? Could it be that Ian is also a hypocrite? Hmmmm...

I had a gf who has an 82 accrd that was really fun to drive and reliable. My wife had a 90 CRXsi when I married her (I made he sell it) I know they are nice cars and I dont fault them for driving them (but hey, they'er girls ) The truth is, I really dont mind import car drivers under ordinary circumstances. But for whatever reasons I get real bent when they do one of two things:

1) talk smack about American cars like they are crap.

2) put American flags on them esp during times of war.

I cannt help it, it just makes my blood boil!

So let me get this straight... people might buy a Honda because it is (according to Ian) fun to drive and reliable? Sounds like a good reason to buy a car to me.

Then he backpedals and says that most import drivers are OK, just not the ones who happen to stick an american flag on their car.

Anyone else getting confused here?

Noone has called you unpatiotic my friend. Why are you getting all bent out of shape? You have 3 mustangs, your dad has a brand new mustang, your gf has a nice mustang and you get you'lls money that your making off of fixing imorts is going to the right places. If anything I would say you are a FINE rollmodel of a you patriot Nic and you make me proud!

So lets see... a couple of friends of mine who happen to be career in the United States Air Force happen to be UNPATRIOTIC because they drive Hondas. However, Nic, who happens to work at a HYUNDAI dealership is patriotic because he owns three Mustangs?

Anyone else here think that Ian could give Mr. Spock lessons in how to be logical?

Whether that means serving in the army, buying war bonds or buying American cars. I TRUELY equate buying an IMPORT with draft dodging. I always have and that is a belief passed down to my buy my family

Oh, now not only are import owners unpatriotic, but they are as bad as draft dodgers?

What makes that especially bad is that Ian is one of the all time great Clinton supporters, a known draft dodger.

As far as draft dodgers, Clinton may have been a lot of stupid things but he never "dodged the draft". Niether did my grandfathers or my father in Nam. What was your point?

This is typical of how well informed Ian is.

Heaven forbid that his parents/grandparents buy something made in China.

Like I said earlier, I dont think that the younger generations mean to be less patriotic, I just dont think they have been raised/taught to really understand why its important to protect american jobs and support our country in SIGNIFICANT ways buy buying big ticket items.

Oh so now people buy imports because they are IGNORANT!?!?!?

My gf had a 81 Accord. I loved that car. At the same time, My mom had an 81 Ford Fairmont. It was a POS. So what. never said all American cars are great and I never said all imports suck either. I said that there are good/comparable American cars and that as Americans, we should consider them first to support our economy (as well as global environment and labor standards). If thats closed minded than I guilty.

First, the GF owned an '82 Accord... NOW it's an '81. Hmmmm....

Ian happened to love the '81/82 Accord, but the Fairmont is a POS. I guess that makes Ian a draft dodging, unpatriotic, ignorant fool as well...

BTW Gary, why are you so angry all the time? Its a message board, relax, I dont hate you dude.

Of course, when confronted with his bullshit, Ian typically makes this "why are you picking on me" maneuver.

See, part of the fun of ripping on Ian is that he is so damn predictable.

BUT I can see how you could have gotten your feelings hurt since I did lay the smack down and destroyed all your week arguments

WHO has the weak arguements?

My problem is with those import drivers who have zero consideration for how their purchases effect their country that they suposedly love. Its one thing to really have no understanding of how profoundly buying US help this country, buts another not to care, or even worse, say "its the definition of freedom." What an insult to all those who died in the name of freedom.

Oh, so now if I happen to buy an Import, then it's an insult to freedom.

Sorry you feel so strongly dude. Didnt know I could have that kind of effect on people.

Yeah, sure you do Ian...

I think you have given me too much power over you TBH. All I can say is I wouldnt take this internet so seriously if I were you. You seem to really let it get to you bad.

Who said FatChicks is taking this seriously? Him, like myself are just calling you on your bullshit is all.

I honestly dont remember most of that thread which had such an effect on you. In fact, until THIS thread, you were not even on my radar in any real way (not to belittle you, I just didnt know you had these feelings). My thread on Import cars and the US economy certainly WAS NOT a personal attack on YOU by any means.

Again, classic Ian. He won't confront the issue... instead he tries to weasel out of it by saying that he didn't really mean to call us draft dodgng, unpatriotic, insults to freedom, ignorant fools.

Of course, to say as much to Ian, we are full of hate. :rolleyes:

So Nic, you tell me... maybe Ian is a decent guy in real life, but considering how he presents himself here, what are the rest of us supposed to think?

Originally posted by Shadowhawk


That said, as someone who's been trained in classic public speaking style debate, debates are won with logical presentation of accurate facts. It's that way 90% of the time in the real world as well. Playing on emotion only normally works for politicians dealing with the dumbed down masses



No way, debates are won by whomever is damn sexiest, hence my stellar record of convincing honies that "Yes, you do want to come home with me."

First of all, I don't know why all of you chumps are posting on a thread I specifically asked to be kept between me and Fordman. I appreciate the "support" turbostang, but you're bringing up issues that I didn't want to come into this thread. This is for fordman and me. And to reply to what Fordman has said (if I can even remember), well, taking this too seriously? I probably am. But I hate letting things roll off my shoulders when people get uppity. And you simply like to get uppity, in my opinion of what you have seen. I wasn't implying that you hate me, but you seem to take the opposite of all my stances, and I just think you oughta tone it down a bit. And my real problem with you is that you have automatically labeled me as something of an unpatriotic person. I'm just trying to figure out how that works. I don't want an apology from you or anything. I was just hoping that this thread could be a place where I could, for lack of a better term "discuss anything" with you, as I think it'd be pretty interesting to hear what you have to say in a more private forum.

Just rered my thread. I didn't mean that you should tone down what you say just cuz I think oppositely. I just meant that it'd be nice if you were a little more civil on this site.

Thanks for the kind words Nic. I think as Nic and freedom would testify, that what I lack in social and communication skills, I try to make up in kindness and humor. I will admit that my social skills are weak and I am an ADD poster child. If you know anything about ADD you know what I am saying. ADD it related to terrets BTW (speak first, regret later)

Also I think that the thread in question that seems to have you and Gary the most worked up was written like on Sept 12th! I was VERY emotionional that morning after coming to work (at the brokerage firms network center) and most of our circuits to the Trade Center (and Wall Street) were down and the people we work with in NYC for support were all DEAD! I (like a lot of people) was not in good shape. Now look at that thread in that context.

Nope, still not good enough. You were saying that anyone with an American flag on an imported car was unpatriotic. Sorry, can't sympathize with you at all. Hell, one of my good friends, actually, fraternity brother, was working 2 blocks from the World Trade Towers when the attacks happened. He couldn't return home for more than a week, and lost some very good friends. He drives a Honda, and I promise you that he'll be displaying an American Flag on his rear window til Kingdom Comes. So if your excuse is that you were emotional, I don't accept it.

Originally posted by IDigFatChicks
First of all, I don't know why all of you chumps are posting on a thread I specifically asked to be kept between me and Fordman.

Well, I figured that since you replied to a thread that was basically between Ian and myself, I would return the favor.

Hehe. I don't really mind that much, just want to keep on topic.

Originally posted by IDigFatChicks
Nope, still not good enough. You were saying that anyone with an American flag on an imported car was unpatriotic. Sorry, can't sympathize with you at all. Hell, one of my good friends, actually, fraternity brother, was working 2 blocks from the World Trade Towers when the attacks happened. He couldn't return home for more than a week, and lost some very good friends. He drives a Honda, and I promise you that he'll be displaying an American Flag on his rear window til Kingdom Comes. So if your excuse is that you were emotional, I don't accept it.

A frat boy? :rolleyes: That tells me a lot!

All I can say is its a damn shame that it took experience like Sept 11th to get your friend's feelings of patriatism stirred up enough to dawn a flag. American flags (and cars) have often frequented my driveway and home for as long as I can remember. I dont need a war or death of a friend to remind me of how great my country is. I was raised with the beleife that buying American was patriotic and good for America. Its an old family and American tradition that seems to have gotton lost in the "me first" commerialism world today. Its a value I hold dear and am passing to my kids.

Put your self in MY shoes for a min. In MY eyes you are attacking/violating the beliefs and social contract as an American that my WW11 grandparents have passed down to me. Shouldnt I be the one who is insulted? Like I said, its OK if you didnt really know better, but NOW you do. What are you going to do about it? Fly silly little flags or something more concrete like saving US jobs by keeping your money in the US. Its time for Americans to put their money where their mouth is or STFU.

As far as your name calling is conserned, I really dislike it and it shows a real lack of charactor on you alls part. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I KNOW Im not perfect and niether are you. But its not your job to judge me, tear me down, try to be hurtfull and ugly any more than its my job to attack you wealnesses with ugly insults. Mother taught me that if I dont have something nice to say about someone (no hold bared for public figures BTW) dont say anything at all! Sure I have unique and strong opinions and will defend them. Your opinions may offend me as much as mine you too. But to call me names like "*******" only make YOU that "*******" and "jerk"for doing so. Name calling is the last refuge for the weak and insecure. People who strike out with such hurtful words are the embodiment of the words they use in my book. However! As I have stated many times before, I am a forgiver. That the wasy Jesus would have us all be. You say that you didnt ask (nor offer) an apology but your getting one and your forgiven in advance too.

Alright, then. Bridge under the water between us and any personal attacks, either intended or not, ok? So I will understand that you're a pretty sarcastic person, and since its pretty hard to distinguish between sarcasm and "being an *******" when looking at a computer monitor, I'll take that into account. But yeah, I don't like you style of communication, which you just perfectly displayed in your last post.

A frat boy? That tells me a lot!

Like, I know you're joking, but do you really need to say that? I mean, I've gone through a lot of drama with my fraternity, and I know about all the classic stereotypes. So...

As far as your name calling is conserned, I really dislike it and it shows a real lack of charactor on you alls part. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I KNOW Im not perfect and niether are you. But its not your job to judge me, tear me down, try to be hurtfull and ugly any more than its my job to attack you wealnesses with ugly insults. Mother taught me that if I dont have something nice to say about someone (no hold bared for public figures BTW) dont say anything at all!

And you don't know squat about my life, so don't YOU start judging me and insulting things that I consider very personally important to me. When you're basically out on the street with no money, a family that has disowned you, and 2 of your fraternity brothers decide to take you in for 3 months, put a roof over your head, feed you and make sure that you basically don't go committing suicide, you take your fraternity pretty seriously.

OK, after that rant, which was only started because you actually said "mother taught me that if I don't have something nice to say about someone don't say anything at all!"

And are you insinuating that my friend and I are fair-weather patriots? We might not have been flag-wavers before, and might not be so much afterwards, but that's a sorry excuse for calling us unpatriotic. And you're right, we're not supporting the American economy to the fullest. But how is that a bad thing? I mean, hasn't the government of the United States decided, by not having ridiculous tariffs, which it could easily do, that buying foreign is alright? I'll tell you how its a good thing. It keeps American companies sharp and consumers up-to-date with the best products. Our economic system is that of a free-market, roughly. That means that we should seek out the best product for the best price, whatever our judging criterion is.

yes, yes, the free market, Adam Smith, yadda, yadda. Tell it to the people who live in entire towns that now have no jobs.

Maybe my memory is slipping but can you please show me where I expressly called you "unpatriotic"?

considering that I drive a Volvo with an American flag on the back, I thought that's what you said? And you're right, it sucks that some communities have lost all of their jobs due to little "bumps" in the economic order. I know it sounds harsh, but on a macro scale, there's very little that can be done about it, besides crippling our economic system and implementing huge tariffs on foreign goods, which would catch up to us sooner or later. Yadda yadda sob story.

Originally posted by Fordman50
First off, I dont have the slightest bit of a beef with you (or anyone really) I dont take internet shit too seriously. BUT I can see how you could have gotten your feelings hurt since I did lay the smack down and destroyed all your week arguments :D

People who know me, know that I am not into hate. Hate is evil and destroys those who posess it. I forgive and forget. I also have no problem with import cars at all. There are many fine ones out there.

My problem is with those who think that US cars suck and the US car drivers are neanderthals (who cant spell :D) and eat raw meat. My problem is with those import drivers who have zero consideration for how their purchases effect their country that they suposedly love. Its one thing to really have no understanding of how profoundly buying US help this country, buts another not to care, or even worse, say "its the definition of freedom." What an insult to all those who died in the name of freedom.


PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, BE AMERICAN, BUY AMERICAN!

Have a nice day :)

But you did say yolu hate Barbara Olson, more than once. And you said you read her book, judged it to be full of lies. I read the book at your urging and found everyone of her stories to be ducumented with footnotes. I don't believe you read the book Ian. I think tath may have beena little white lie, same4 as when you said your not into haate.

Originally posted by Cosmo


But you did say yolu hate Barbara Olson, more than once. And you said you read her book, judged it to be full of lies. I read the book at your urging and found everyone of her stories to be ducumented with footnotes. I don't believe you read the book Ian. I think tath may have beena little white lie, same4 as when you said your not into haate.

LOL This isnt the "pick on Ian thread" Chief! Please document where I said that I "hated" her? I dont think I would say that. Even if I did, that would fall under the public figure clause ;)

Glad you liked the book. Im sure I didnt read it as intently as you did. I read through it in one afternoon when I was stuck at a very borring relatives house. I will admit it was a bit of a speed read but enough to judge it trash :D

Ian, you said she deserved to die. That can equate to hate by any rational person...

Originally posted by Brian
Ian, you said she deserved to die. That can equate to hate by any rational person...

Oh really? Just to be safe, you had better provide that quote. BTW, I think Bin Laden deserves to die, I dont really have any hate for him. I believe I used the words "poetic justice" because she, a hate mounger, died at the hands of hate moungers. I guess Im that only one who saw the irony in that? Its sadly funny if you look at it like that. But then again, I have a twisted sense of humor

Oh well, again That whole thread was on Spt 11th or twelth, it was a very emotional time for me. I wasnt playing nice. I have appologized and explained more than enough for all the posting around that time. I really dont think you need to flog the dead horse any more.

Originally posted by Fordman50
Poetic justice.

Originally posted by Fordman50
I let it be known that I didnt like Olsan in the Hilary thread earlier this summer.

Originally posted by Fordman50
I dont like here dead or alive regardless of how she died.

Originally posted by Fordman50
I Olsan had a heart attact, or whatever, I would shed no tear regardless. She was a POS of a person with no redemable qualities.

Originally posted by Fordman50
Oh really? Just to be safe, you had better provide that quote. BTW, I think Bin Laden deserves to die, I dont really have any hate for him. I believe I used the words "poetic justice" because she, a hate mounger, died at the hands of hate moungers. I guess Im that only one who saw the irony in that? Its sadly funny if you look at it like that. But then again, I have a twisted sense of humor



Okay, so you didn't outright say she deserved to die or that you hated her. But I think everyone got the message on how you felt about Mrs. Olson. No where in that thread did you say she didn't deserve to die either, even after Manu used the exact phrase. Deny it if you want, but, these comments are hard proof of hatred. And, no, it is not funny in ANY way you look at it. Suppose you are correct about her being a hate-monger. Bill and Hillary have that down to a science. They perfected the use of a 'scortched earth' policy for thier political foes and those in thier inner circle who decide to defect (ie: Ron Brown and others). The fact that someone turned the tables on Hillary was truely 'poetic justice,' as you put it.

Wait, just thought of something. I think wehre the miscommunicatoin lays is your preconception of import car drivers. You said you have no problem with import cars, but you dislike those people who hate on American cars, right? Well, I think you're making the assumption that all of us hate American cars. That is so far from the truth. Hell, there are plenty of American cars I would drive out there right now. My choices for wanting my little Civic hatchback come down to simple economic choices. There's no other car I like for the price. And while I love old-school American muscles cars that can be had for dirt-cheap, I don't think I could ever own one. So tell me what car I should buy for $5,000, Fordman? Please, give me a good selection of American cars I should buy. I mean, before you hate my decisions, shouldn't you look at my record. Where have I ever talked trash about Mustangs or any other domestic? The most enjoyable car I've ever personally driven was my best friend's (oh, he's Asian, btw) 94 GT. And hell, I decided that I'd never buy one of those things because you had to open the glove box to get to the trunk release! But that's another story.

There you go! Problem solved! I never said all import drivers were scum or anything like that per se. I made many statements but I am not sure if any applied to you exactly so whats the beef?

Brian, since your so in love with Bardra, maybe we could arrage a white wedding between you two! LOL You into necrophilia? (sp?) :D

Can we end this thread now?

Originally posted by Bill Clinton
There you go! Problem solved! I never said all import drivers were scum or anything like that per se. I made many statements but I am not sure if any applied to you exactly so whats the beef?

Brian, since your so in love with Bardra, maybe we could arrage a white wedding between you two! LOL You into necrophilia? (sp?) :D

Can we end this thread now? \

Bill Clinton = Ian (Fordman 50)

;) Did you mean for us to notice?

Originally posted by Bill Clinton
There you go! Problem solved! I never said all import drivers were scum or anything like that per se. I made many statements but I am not sure if any applied to you exactly so whats the beef?

Brian, since your so in love with Bardra, maybe we could arrage a white wedding between you two! LOL You into necrophilia? (sp?) :D

Can we end this thread now?

Why don't you go waste some time to find ANYTHING I have EVER said about Barbara Olsen until today. I did not know WHO she was until after Sept. 11. I have NEVER read her book, nor do I intend to. Would take to much time away from my kids.

And, no, screwing a dead person is not on my list of things to do in this lifetime.

For the record, no Clinton person or democrat has refuted any of the specific charges in her books. They, like Ian, simply attack the messenger.

I saw her a lot on TV and her positive attitude is what made me remember her. All the while being very articulate and logical she was a happy person. She was not an angry hate filled person.

If there are lies then show them to us, the burden is on you Ian since you made the charge. If you cant or wont, that will tell us a lot.

And please, stop blaming your stupid statement or outbursts on one of your ailments. Admit they are stupid statements and people will begin to respect you more than they would you falling back on the "victem" excuse mentality.

Those quotes of yours that Brian was good enough to find;
If that aint hate filled, I dont know what is.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by IDigFatChicks
Like, I know you're joking, but do you really need to say that? I mean, I've gone through a lot of drama with my fraternity, and I know about all the classic stereotypes. So...


Sorry man . . . and it isn't often that I come up to bat for Ian, but . . . . LOL . . . . stereotype or not, I wouldn't bring up fraternity in a discussion where credibility matters.

My balls itch ....... this thread sucks. :)

Alright, Fordman. My end of this discussion is dead. What I got out of it is to understand that you're a really sarcastic person. And what the hell does my being in a fraternity have anything to do with my credibility? More useless stereotypes. And not only am I in a fraternity, but I get drunk every day, have sex with every sorority girl I meet, and use roofies on the ones who aren't willing! I also like to burp in public, and light my farts on fire. Is that what you wanted to hear? That's the kind of bs that really itches MY balls.

You got a beer bong you can sell me? How about that file cabinate full of cheat sheet, term papers and last years test those frats keep on tap? Make school a breeze dont it? :D ;)

Originally posted by IDigFatChicks
Alright, Fordman. My end of this discussion is dead. What I got out of it is to understand that you're a really sarcastic person. And what the hell does my being in a fraternity have anything to do with my credibility? More useless stereotypes. And not only am I in a fraternity, but I get drunk every day, have sex with every sorority girl I meet, and use roofies on the ones who aren't willing! I also like to burp in public, and light my farts on fire. Is that what you wanted to hear? That's the kind of bs that really itches MY balls.


See - I know mike personally, and except for the part about lighting farts on fire, he isn't kidding around. Finally some honesty in the thread!

Thanks for the support, Avi. If it weren't for my friends.....I'd probably have a lot more peace of mind, come to think about it. And no, we don't have a testbank, our idiot academic's chair a couple years back lost it when he moved. It only had like 50-60 tests out of the chem major anyhow. And hell, we're at a UC, they change the tests every year. And beer bong for sale? Dude, just go to a hardware store, buy a funnel and a tube. You're good to go. I much prefer keg stands, tho. :D

Wow, the spiders dug up an old "Fight Club" thread. First one when it opened too I think, LOL

This brings back almost as many memories as the Mumia thread :D



Yes, I know this was EVIL also, but where else was anybody gonna find out ResidentRice's old SN was "IDigFatChicks"? :eek:

:D



And before anybody gets any ideas... We once had a forum for settling personal disputes before, as this shows. It DIDN'T work. PLEASE Don't get any ideas here. The current rules are there for a reason & they work to keep things relatively peaceful.

holy crap, this is an old thread

I remember this thread, too. I think I was drunk when I posted it. That Fordman really did get under my skin, though, that's for sure.

LOL, Ian got under alot of people's skins. :D

I think this really was the FIRST thread when this forum opened too. :|

hmm...wonder if the spiders can find the heather v durden thread...:hmm: :devil:

Heather vs. Durden?

Woooooooord...... now we're really showing our DA age. That was, well, that one was special. Even I got caught up in the tail end of that one. Draaaa-ma.

You know what's funny? This thread is so old, I'm receiving email notifications every time someone posts to it, that's how old it is. Notifications to my old email address. =|

I forget, was this one of the first gems in Fight Club?

Heather vs. Durden?

Woooooooord...... now we're really showing our DA age. That was, well, that one was special. Even I got caught up in the tail end of that one. Draaaa-ma.

You know what's funny? This thread is so old, I'm receiving email notifications every time someone posts to it, that's how old it is. Notifications to my old email address. =|

I forget, was this one of the first gems in Fight Club?i'm not sure. i remember dave and heather (of course), and me and powerboss...that was so long ago and such a short lived thing...they should post the whole fight club in its entirety, just for old times sake.

i'm not sure. i remember dave and heather (of course), and me and powerboss...that was so long ago and such a short lived thing...they should post the whole fight club in its entirety, just for old times sake.

Yeah, that's just not a good idea, Mr. Requhernlkfnjdlsuvljsdfnaglhc.

My understanding is the threads relating to that drama were deleted.

Honestly, I think in retrospect it was prolly a good idea too. Things got WAY outta hand there & should have been settled in a more adult manner.

Fordman was the reason I found this place. I abandoned those *******s on the corra and came to this placel. There were so many tards on that site, like Cosby, couldn't stand that jackass.

...This is for fordman and me...

I will not tolerate that kind of selfishness.