2. 129 Feb. 21, 1863

"Mr. Colliers also offered the following resolution, viz.:


'Whereas the Congress of the United States has by law authorized the raising of negro troops, to be used in the present war in the attempted subjugation of the Confederate States: therefore,

Resolved, That the Committee on the Judiciary inquire into the expediency of providing by law that all negroes captured while so in the service of the United States shall, ipso facto, unless they be fugitive slaves, become the property of the captors, and shall thereafter be held and considered in all respects as slaves:'


Which was read and agreed to."


3. 486-487 May 1, 1863 Same subject as Senate pp. 386 April 30, 1863.


1. 'Resolved by the Congress of the Confederate States of America, in response to the message of the President transmitted to Congress at the commencement of the present session, That , in the opinion of Congress, the commissioned officers of the enemy ought not to be delivered to the authorities of the respective States, as suggested in the said message; but all captives taken by the Confederate forces ought to be dealt with and disposed of by the Confederate Government.


2. That, in the judgment of Congress, the proclamations of the President of the United States, dated, respectively, September 22, 1862, and January 1, 1863, and the other measures of the Government of the United States and of its authorities, commanders, and forces, designed or tending to emancipate slavers in the Confederate States, or to abduct such slavers, or to incite them to insurrection, or to employ negroes in war against the Confederate States, or to overthrow the institution of African slavery and bring on a servile war in these States, would, if successful, produce atrocious consequences, and they are inconsistent with the spirit of those usages which in modern warfare prevail among civilized nations. They may, therefore, be properly and lawfully repressed by retaliation.


3. That in every case wherein, during the present war, any violation of the laws or usages of war among civilized nations shall be or has been done and perpetrated by those acting under the authority of the Government of the United States, on the persons or property of citizens of the Confederate States, or of those under the protection or in the land or naval service of the Confederate States, or of any State of the Confederacy, the President of the Confederate States is hereby authorized to cause full and ample retaliation to be made for every such violation in such manner and to such extent as he may think proper.


4.That every white person, being a commissioned officer, or acting as such, who during the present war shall command negroes or mulattoes in arms against the Confederate States, or who shall arm, train, organize, or prepare negroes or mulattoes for military service against the Confederate states, or who shall voluntarily aid negroes or mulattoes in any military enterprise, attack, or conflict in such service, shall be deemed as inciting servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or be otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.


5. Every person being a commissioned officer or acting as such in the service of the enemy who shall, during the present war, excite, attempt to excite, or cause to be excited a servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.


6. every person charged with an offense punishable under the preceding resolutions shall, during the present war, be tried before the military court attached to the army or corps by the troops of which he shall have been captured or by such other military court as the President may direct and in such manner and under such regulations as the President shall prescribe; and, after conviction, the President may commute the punishment in such manner and such terms as he may deem proper.


7. All negroes and mulattoes who shall be engaged in war or be taken in arms against the Confederate States or shall give aid or comfort to the enemies of the Confederate States shall, when captured in the Confederate States, be delivered to the authorities of the State or States in which they shall be captured, to be dealt with according to the present or future laws of such State or States.'


Shooting and enslaving POWs....how genteel....

As Thaddeus Stevens said the Southern States should be treated "as conquered provinces and settle them with new men and exterminate or drive out the present rebels as exiles." Of course, [i]"I have never desired bloody punishments to any great extent. But there are punishments quite as appalling, and longer remembered, than death. They are more advisable, because they would reach a greater number. Strip a proud nobility of their bloated estates; reduce them to a level with plain republicans; send them forth to labor, and teach their children to enter the workshops or handle a plow, and you will thus humble the proud traitors." :rolleyes:

4.That every white person, being a commissioned officer, or acting as such, who during the present war shall command negroes or mulattoes in arms against the Confederate States, or who shall arm, train, organize, or prepare negroes or mulattoes for military service against the Confederate states, or who shall voluntarily aid negroes or mulattoes in any military enterprise, attack, or conflict in such service, shall be deemed as inciting servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or be otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.

I absolutely agree with the above. I am in complete favour of destroying enemies of the South, white or black.

. Every person being a commissioned officer or acting as such in the service of the enemy who shall, during the present war, excite, attempt to excite, or cause to be excited a servile insurrection or who shall incite or cause to be incited a slave to rebel shall, if captured, be put to death or otherwise punished, at the discretion of the court.

Once again I find myself in absolute total agreement.

7. All negroes and mulattoes who shall be engaged in war or be taken in arms against the Confederate States or shall give aid or comfort to the enemies of the Confederate States shall, when captured in the Confederate States, be delivered to the authorities of the State or States in which they shall be captured, to be dealt with according to the present or future laws of such State or States.'

I am in absolute agreement.

Shooting and enslaving POWs....how genteel....

"I know of no way to exterminate them except to burn out the whole country."

-- General Sheridan to Abraham Lincoln

Murdering civilians, how quaint! I only have one regret about the War Between the States, well actually two. Number one I regret that the South lost and the North went on to dominate and ruin the country. Number two I regret that Lee surrendered and called it quits there. I would have advocated the use of massive, unrelenting, relentless guerrilla warfare of the Northern Ireland variety. If necessary, complete total war.

The tables have turned nowadays. The industrial heart of the country is shifting to the Sun Belt and out of the Frost Belt. We also have nuclear weapons. I for one am more than willing to create a "New Order" in North America. This is why I actually have re-evaluated my position on multiculturalism. I believe it is the first step towards the de-evolution of the United States.

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
As Thaddeus Stevens said the Southern States should be treated "as conquered provinces and settle them with new men and exterminate or drive out the present rebels as exiles." Of course, [i]"I have never desired bloody punishments to any great extent. But there are punishments quite as appalling, and longer remembered, than death. They are more advisable, because they would reach a greater number. Strip a proud nobility of their bloated estates; reduce them to a level with plain republicans; send them forth to labor, and teach their children to enter the workshops or handle a plow, and you will thus humble the proud traitors." :rolleyes:


A man as repulsed by the institution of slavery and the degradation of men as I am. Regardless, RHETORIC isn't law. Thats the difference in these two posts.



I absolutely agree with the above. I am in complete favour of destroying enemies of the South, white or black.


Fade supports the MURDER of POWs.



Once again I find myself in absolute total agreement.


Fade supports the MURDER of politicians who disagree with him.


I am in absolute agreement.


Fade supports the ENSLAVEMENT of his fellow men.


"I know of no way to exterminate them except to burn out the whole country."

-- General Sheridan to Abraham Lincoln


Didn't happen. Rhetoric isn't law.



Murdering civilians, how quaint!


LOL Since EVERYONE you dislike is, in your mind, a valid target, how can you balk at the same criteria being applied by your enemies?

Exaggeration, anyway.


I only have one regret about the War Between the States, well actually two. Number one I regret that the South lost and the North went on to dominate and ruin the country.


"Ruin" it by making it the premier world Superpower, surpassing every nation on earth in Economic and military might? Riiight...:rolleyes:


Number two I regret that Lee surrendered and called it quits there.


He was a gentleman, who didn't revel in bloodshed the way you do.


I would have advocated the use of massive, unrelenting, relentless guerrilla warfare of the Northern Ireland variety. If necessary, complete total war.


No one would have followed you. Even the South was sick of war by 1865, and what your proposing was rejected out of hand by virtually every Southerner of importance.



The tables have turned nowadays.


Pff, your taxes go to Washington DC still, Fade.


The industrial heart of the country is shifting to the Sun Belt and out of the Frost Belt. We also have nuclear weapons.


No, the United States has nuclear weapons. YOU do not.

A man as repulsed by the institution of slavery and the degradation of men as I am. Regardless, RHETORIC isn't law. Thats the difference in these two posts.

Yes Thaddeus Stevens was quite a Republican back in his day. LOL the party of Lincoln, [b]exterminate[/i] the Southerners. :rolleyes:

Fade supports the MURDER of POWs.

Given what was being done to our POWs absolutely.

Fade supports the MURDER of politicians who disagree with him.

I would have shot Lincoln myself. I would also have shot Thaddeus Stevens. That is war. I would be more than willing to have taken it to that level.

Fade supports the ENSLAVEMENT of his fellow men.

I support Seperation. I do not support Slavery. I do however favor detaining such an alien population until they can be properly deported.

Didn't happen. Rhetoric isn't law.

Yes actually it did it happen.

LOL Since EVERYONE you dislike is, in your mind, a valid target, how can you balk at the same criteria being applied by your enemies? Exaggeration, anyway.

The U.S. Army regularly waged war against Southern Civilians. See your friend General Sherman. Sherman also regretted he did not kill every Indian in America on his death bed. Regardless, the U.S. Army used total war against the South. It was the U.S. Army that escalated things to that level. I in turn would have supported the use of total warfare against the United States.

"Ruin" it by making it the premier world Superpower, surpassing every nation on earth in Economic and military might? Riiight...

ROFL a world superpower without the balls to protect its own borders. The American military is highly overrated. See my Hackworth articles. Furthermore the United States has been in an economic downward spiral for well over a decade now. Now empire lasts forever. Nothing will give me greater pleasure than to see the USSA fall.

He was a gentleman, who didn't revel in bloodshed the way you do.

Yes, quite unlike Sherman. I however disagree with Lee in that respect. We should have answered people like Sherman.

No one would have followed you. Even the South was sick of war by 1865, and what your proposing was rejected out of hand by virtually every Southerner of importance

Actually that was seriously considered but much like the Germans in the aftermath of WW1 to many Southerners were FOOLED by the rhetoric of peace by the North. We all later came to see that is not what they had in mind in the least.

Pff, your taxes go to Washington DC still, Fade.

The economic center of gravity has shifted away from the North.

No, the United States has nuclear weapons. YOU do not.

That can change. I have put a lot of thought into this recently and have modified my position. I no longer see any prospect whatsoever for preserving the United States or really a desire to do so. I have no desire whatsoever to preserve the politically correct failing multicultural cesspool we have today, the USSA. That will fall apart on its own accord. America is already swinging downward culturally and economically. This will massively accelerate in coming years. The empire will become to expensive to maintain and splits will grow in the current world order and crack open. I consider the period from the end of Reconstruction to the early 1960s to be more or less equivilant to an American Cold War. As the fiscal health of the federal government deteriorates conflict will resurface between the states and the federal government similar to how it did in the USSR. I find that encouraging.

Mahna mahna, do do di do do.....