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Criminal
01-16-2003, 01:48 AM
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2461/pg1/

oklahoma city bombing: startling evidence proves government cover-up
by Doug Cirignano (Cirignano@aol.com) - July 26, 2002

Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Committee Claims Startling Evidence Proves Government Cover-Up

Sam Cohen is an explosives expert, who is retired after a 40 year career in nuclear weaponry. During World War II Cohen was assigned to the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, New Mexico. In 1958, he was one of the principal designers of the neutron bomb. Cohen is one of the many people who have criticized the federal government's contention that Timothy McVeigh's 4,800 pound ammonium-nitrate (fertilizer-fuel oil) truck bomb was the sole cause of the destruction of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Cohen has said: "I believe that demolition charges were placed in the building at certain key concrete columns and this did the primary damage to the Murrah Federal Building. It would have been absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil---no matter how much was used---to bring the building down."

Before the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon buildings, the Oklahoma City bombing was the worse act of domestic terrorism in the history of the United States.

On 11 June 2001, Timothy McVeigh was executed for the crime. To some, that brought closure to this horrific chapter of American history.

To others, it did not. Some of the family members of those who were killed in Oklahoma City have stated that they believe that one man couldn't have done the bombing, and that there is too much evidence that McVeigh had accomplices. These bereaved families feel the whole story behind the bombing hasn't been revealed, and they want anybody else who may have been behind the murders of their loved ones brought to justice. Federal Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over McVeigh's trial, has said, "There are many unanswered questions. It would be very disappointing to me if the law enforcement agencies of the United States government have quit looking for answers in this Oklahoma bombing tragedy."

For the most part, the media has accepted and promoted the government's version of the bombing: that McVeigh--with minor assistance from Terry Nichols--acted alone. The one-man, one-bomb scenario.

Some writers, though, have questioned these conclusions. Reporter James Ridgeway, writing in The Village Voice about a week before McVeigh was scheduled to be executed, brought up many unanswered questions. These included: Who was the dark-skinned John Doe #1 who people testified seeing McVeigh with on the morning of the bombing? How could McVeigh and Nichols have built a 4,800 pound ANFO bomb on the evening before the bombing--as the government claims--if bomb experts claim that much more time would have been needed to do that? Could the anti-government terrorist groups that McVeigh had connections to have collaborated in the atrocity? Gore Vidal's article in Vanity Fair (September 2001) was entitled The McVeigh Conspiracy. In the article, Vidal is extremely critical of the FBI, who, he shows, failed to investigate many promising leads that could have lead to the identity of McVeigh accomplices. The famous journalist-novelist feels that the McVeigh-Nichols scenario is unlikely and makes no sense. Vidal suggests and shows evidence that McVeigh could have been working with Arab terrorists, or anti-government terrorists, or even ("who knows?") government agents. He suggests that even the "grandest conspiracy theory of all" is a possibility--that McVeigh neither built nor detonated a bomb, and is a patsy. Vidal had been exchanging letters with McVeigh, and was one of the few people that McVeigh invited to witness his execution. Vidal is convinced that McVeigh confessed to something he didn't do alone--or didn't do at all--because McVeigh felt that his lawyer had "blown" the case, and he wanted to be executed as a martyr, a protester of government abuse, rather than face the prospect of living in a prison cell for fifty years with the threat of rape an everyday fear.

Charles Key was a Oklahoma state representative from 1986-1998, during which time he served on the Banking and Finance, Criminal Justice, and other committees. Mr. Key served as Republican Whip during part of his tenure. Soon after the Oklahoma City bombing, survivors and relatives of the victims of the bombing began contacting Key to complain about the manner in which the Federal Government was conducting the investigation. Within hours and days of the bombing, many suspicious facts were coming to light. So many broken-hearted families affected directly by the bombing had unanswered questions and implored Key, in his capacity as an elected official, to pursue further investigation into the case. This resulted in the formation of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee (OBIC). The OBIC--which consists of Key and three other prominent Oklahoma citizens--was established in April 1997 to investigate matters that government agencies had refused to consider, and to submit information to the Oklahoma County Grand Jury which was impaneled in June 1997.

In the winter of 2001 the OBIC released its Final Report On The Bombing Of The Alfred P. Murrah Building April 19, 1995. The report is extremely critical of the government and FBI. Citing government documents and the findings of their own investigators, the OBIC claims the government has engaged in a massive cover-up.

Some of the most intriguing information in the Final Report--and one of the main reasons that Key founded the OBIC--is that within a few weeks of the bombing, the most preeminent experts on explosives--Sam Cohen and others--were saying that the destruction of the Murrah Building could not possibly have come from an ANFO truck bomb, and that the bomb--or bombs--had to be inside the building. As one of these experts, Brigadier General (USAF, ret.) Benton Partin said, "It's an entirely different story if you had a bunch of demolition charges in the building in contradistinction to an ammonium-nitrate truck placed out in front of the building . . . It probably would have taken several people to do this. And it would have taken people with access. You have to remember that these federal buildings have guards on the gate and they have magnetometers and everything else. So it's not only how many people, but who had access . . . You just don't walk in off the street through security with explosives like this."

lily
01-17-2003, 10:08 PM
I have no doubt that there is much more to the OKC bombing than what "the official story" is. I think everyone should read the book The Secret Life of Bill Clinton (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895264080/qid=1042858856/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1210895-8011813?v=glance&s=books) by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. It's a really good book, and the author devotes a couple chapters to the Oklahoma City Bombing. There are definitely more people involved, and the book talks about how the government had undercover people at the white supremacist camp that Mc Veigh was a part of, and so they knew in advance about this bombing. (not to mention it happened on the April 19, anniversary of Waco, and the government anticipated that something big might happen)

The amazing thing is how many people know nothing about this, and bought the official story that we were told.

Potyondi
01-17-2003, 10:10 PM
Reminds me of Arlin Specter's lone gunman/magic bullet theory RE: Kennedy.

Oh well, that's the American mentality: tow tow tow the party line...

Banky
01-17-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by buttercup
I have no doubt that there is much more to the OKC bombing than what "the official story" is. I think everyone should read the book The Secret Life of Bill Clinton (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895264080/qid=1042858856/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1210895-8011813?v=glance&s=books) by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. It's a really good book, and the author devotes a couple chapters to the Oklahoma City Bombing. There are definitely more people involved, and the book talks about how the government had undercover people at the white supremacist camp that Mc Veigh was a part of, and so they knew in advance about this bombing. (not to mention it happened on the April 19, anniversary of Waco, and the government anticipated that something big might happen)

The amazing thing is how many people know nothing about this, and bought the official story that we were told.
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Sulla the Dictator
01-18-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Potyondi
Reminds me of Arlin Specter's lone gunman/magic bullet theory RE: Kennedy.

Oh well, that's the American mentality: tow tow tow the party line...

*Sigh*

Griff
01-18-2003, 02:07 AM
The best part was when Mulder figured out that they were searching the wrong building, and it turned out to be in a soft drink machine. Wow, who woulda guessed?

lily
01-18-2003, 02:15 AM
never mind

Banky
01-18-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by buttercup
I have no doubt that there is much more to the OKC bombing than what "the official story" is. I think everyone should read the book The Secret Life of Bill Clinton (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895264080/qid=1042858856/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1210895-8011813?v=glance&s=books) by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. It's a really good book, and the author devotes a couple chapters to the Oklahoma City Bombing. There are definitely more people involved, and the book talks about how the government had undercover people at the white supremacist camp that Mc Veigh was a part of, and so they knew in advance about this bombing. (not to mention it happened on the April 19, anniversary of Waco, and the government anticipated that something big might happen)

The amazing thing is how many people know nothing about this, and bought the official story that we were told.

OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11?
by William F. Jasper

Evidence links the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern terrorists, and the failure of officials to examine this evidence in 1995 may have set the stage for the September 11th attacks.Your E-Mail:



The Black Tuesday terror attacks on America have prompted some journalists to take a look at the abundant evidence of Middle Eastern terrorist involvement in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the possible connection of that event to the more recent 9-11 attacks. A recent example is Insight magazine. A December 3rd article by Kelly Patricia O’Meara reports that Timothy McVeigh’s convicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols "reportedly attended a meeting in the early 1990s on the predominantly Muslim island of Mindanao, a hotbed of fundamentalist activities, at which Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah were present. The themes of the meeting were ‘bombing activities, providing firearms and ammunition, training in making and handling bombs.’ Yousef was the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing in 1993; Murad and Shah were convicted in a 1996 conspiracy to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners."
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/01-28-2002/vo18no02_okc_print.htm
http://thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/index.htm

Sulla the Dictator
01-19-2003, 02:23 AM
Nazi UFOs: A real coverup!

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"In retrospect, Americans should have correlated the WW II and post-war sightings of flying spheres, saucers, and cylinders to the wondrous technology of National Socialist Germany. It is an understatement to say that our government has deliberately misled us on the UFO question." - Robert J. Lee

The German Cylindrical UFO
- Interview with a CIC Veteran

by Robert J. Lee, Author of
Fascinating Relics of the Third Reich




"On September 29, 1944, at 10:45 a.m., a test pilot was trying out a new Messerschmitt Jet, ME 262 Schwalbe, when his attention was suddenly caught by two luminous points situated on his right. He shot at full speed in that direction and found himself face to face with a cylindrical object, more than three hundred feet long with some openings along its side, and fitted with long antennae placed in front up to about halfway along its length. Having approached within about 1,500 feet of the craft the pilot was amazed to see that it was moving at a speed of more than 1,200 m.p.h." - from U.F.O.s and Extra-terrestrials in History (Vol. 4) by Yves Naud.

I believe that many of us can make some contribution to explaining the UFO mystery. This page is my modest contribution. I am sharing with those of you who are interested, an interview with a veteran who was a member of the US Army Counter Intelligence Corps. Shortly after the end of WW II, this remarkable man actually was on site at the Harz mountain facility where Germany apparently manufactured at least some of their photon propulsion craft during the war.

In retrospect, Americans should have correlated the WW II and post-war sightings of flying spheres, saucers, and cylinders to the wondrous technology of National Socialist Germany. It is an understatement to say that our government has deliberately misled us on the UFO question.

My own interest in the UFO phenomenon was first sparked in February 1955 when I noticed a glowing yellow sphere hovering a few feet above a tree. This extremely fascinating object was only about twenty-five feet from where I was looking out of a window. After a few seconds it moved away horizontally at a speed of perhaps 30 mph. I had an immediate sense that this amazing machine was under intelligent control. This sighting occurred on a Sunday afternoon in Nashville, Tennessee. I would estimate the object to be between 6 to 7 feet in diameter. In retrospect, I might add that it had an uncanny resemblance to a WW II vintage 2 meter German electromagnetic drive sphere - of the type that were transported to various locations in large wingless cylindrical ships.

It is likely that the German cylindrical (or cigar-shaped) craft had large photon reflectors mounted in an opening at the tail end of the ship. WW II German scientist Eugen Sänger once wrote, "Reflectors are used to direct the beams not only of searchlights and weapons rays but of various kinds of photon and pure fission rockets as well. Here they serve to reflect and collimate electromagnetic or corpuscular radiation. So doing they replace the conventional firing nozzle in directing the force which propels the rocket." Of course, there were problems associated with photon propulsion. According to the late NASA scientist, Paul R. Hill, the energy of a photon beam required to propel a UFO weighing 60,000 pounds in earth's atmosphere would be approximately 2,000 times greater than the jet energy of a Saturn class rocket with a thrust of six million pounds.

German scientists were well aware of the above constraints. They knew that gravity had to be overcome by some means. Cancellation of gravity was the real challenge. I believe that through experimentation they discovered that rings fitted with ports for emission of bursts of high energy electromagnetic waves could cancel gravity by relaxing the tension in the fabric of space-time. Photon propulsion became feasible in our atmosphere and strange UFO's ("Foo Fighters", flying saucers, wingless cylinders, etc.) raced across the skies of WW II confounding the eyes (and nerves) of those who saw them.

(Author's note: I will remind the reader that numerous eye witnesses have reported flashing lights along the rims of flying saucers. These lights (glowing air molecules) are actually caused by bursts of x-ray photons which distort gravity by relaxing the tension found in the fabric of space-time. See my article on gravity: Is Gravity Caused by Tension in the Fabric in Space-Time?)

In March of 1997, I was very pleased to conduct a series of five interviews with a (then) 76 year old US Army Counter Intelligence Corps veteran who was actually present at the wartime German facility where photon propulsion craft were manufactured. I believe that the following excerpts from my interviews can help each of us to decide on what really took place.

RJL: What circumstances brought you to the German manufacturing site for the flying saucers?

CIC Veteran: I was on an intelligence mission which I would rather not discuss. We visited the Harz mountain facility out of intense curiosity.

RJL: Did you see any flying saucers at the plant?

CIC Veteran: Well, to begin with, I don't recall anyone using the term "Flying Saucers." Our people referred to them as craft. I only examined one craft while I was there.

RJL: What did it look like?

CIC Veteran: It was a large cylindrical-shaped metallic craft resting on two long, wide skids. It was painted a gray-green color and did not have any markings or German insignia what-so-ever. I gathered that it was partially assembled and when the US Army was drawing near, the Germans hastily removed the propulsion system and other sensitive items.

The propulsion system had been located in the belly of the craft. You could see where it had been removed. The bottom of the craft was somewhat flattened and the top was rounded. The nose of the craft was rounded.

I went all through the thing and I noticed that one of the two front windows had been broken out. They appeared to be made out of very thick glass. Several of the gauges were missing from the control panel. There were round porthole windows on each side. The outside of the craft was smooth with riveted joints.

RJL: How big was the craft?

CIC Veteran: Frankly, it is hard for me to remember. I do recall thinking that it was larger than any WW II submarine. I will estimate that it was several hundred feet long and maybe 30 feet high and perhaps 20 feet across the top.

RJL: Did it have a searchlight?

CIC Veteran: I don't remember seeing one.

RJL: What about the craft's entrance doors?

CIC Veteran: Strange as it may sound, we could not figure out exactly where the entrance doors were located, due to damage done to the sides when the Germans dismantled the parts they wanted to remove. We concluded that the doors must have been located on the sides.

RJL: Was the craft located in an underground facility?

CIC Veteran: It was stored in a well-camouflaged aboveground building.

RJL: Were you briefed about the nature of this German craft?

CIC Veteran: We were told that the Germans designed it to go to the moon and that they had flown all of the operational craft which had been kept at the plant to South America and Africa.

(Author's note: Germany also had an electromagnetic drive 300 meter long cylindrical ship which was alleged to be capable of traveling to the moon. A possible postwar siting of one of these giant ships is included in Strange Worlds by Frank Edwards. On June 30, 1947, the steamship Llandovery Castle was passing through the Straits of Madagascar, when those on board observed a 1000 feet long cigar shaped metallic craft descend from the sky and cruise along beside them for about one minute. Given the time frame of the above incident it would seem likely that this UFO was in fact a craft from a displaced Reich operating out of a secret base in Africa - or possibly Antarctica.

George Leonard, author of Somebody Else is on the Moon, mentions the puzzling mystery of runic symbols appearing on the moon's surface. He cites considerable evidence of activities on the surface of the moon.

Rumors have persisted for decades that German forces continued to wage a secret war after May 1945, using exotic technology - especially UFO based psychological warfare. In 1952, CIA director Walter B. Smith wrote, in a now declassified memorandum, to the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, "I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal (TAB A) in which it is concluded that the problems connected with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological warfare as well as for intelligence and operations." He went on to write in section 3 of the same memo, "I suggest that we discuss at an early board meeting the possible offensive or defensive utilization of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes.")

RJL: Were you instructed to keep this information secret?

CIC Veteran: I have been warned at least three times.

RJL: Were you contacted after you returned to the states?

CIC Veteran: Yes. Once by a government visitor to my home.

RJL: What type of ID did he show you?

CIC Veteran: He showed me a Military Intelligence ID.

(Note: The above interview was granted with the request that the identity of the CIC Veteran will remain anonymous. -RJL)

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