Some time ago I read a fascinating book by Charles Berlitz (same author as "the Bermuda Triangle") entitled Atlantis the lost continent. This book gave some compelling evidence regarding the existance of a lost land lying in what is now the Atlantic Ocean. Some of the scientific evidence presented in this book is too amazing to dismiss. Concider the existance of Masonry walls deep under the sea near the Bahamas. Concider also the evidence that at one time the sea level was as low as 200 feet lower then it is today. Climatic changes following the ice ages had caused the sea levels to rise.

The existance of Atlantis was first recorded by ancient Greeks, who learned of its existance from Egyptians. It was Plato who stated that this place existed 8000 years before his own lifetime.

The book mentions theories how ancient Atlantis may have influenced the growth of civilizations in Meso America.

Any thoughts on this?

On an old Unsolved Mysterious type show that Leonard Nimoy (Spock) hosted, there were various theories about Atlantis, one being that it might be Antarctica. That Psychic Edgar Cayce also described Atlantis and a particular location which upon investigation revealed those giant carved stones in the Caribbean waters.

http://www.atlantisinsights.net/Carib.htm

The Origins of the Egyptians by Augustus Le Plongeon describes evidence to support the conclusion that Ancient Mayan civilization and Ancient Egyptian (obviously not much relation with current residences there) were in communication with each other and that the Mayas predated the Egyptians. A cataclysm of earthquakes and floods that sank Atlantis occurred approximately 9,600 B.C. Although this info is from Plato's Dialogues Timaeus II, 517, Maya inscriptions and artifacts support evidence of a Land of Mu or Atlantis.

Well, I think the one thing is clear is that we know very little about our own planet and our own existence...I cannot implicitly deny the existence of this civilization...we're constnatly learning more and mroe about our past...

I think Atlantis was likely very real... To me it's more a question of how much about it is fact and how much is fantasy.

Originally posted by Manu
Well, I think the one thing is clear is that we know very little about our own planet and our own existence...
Thats hitting the nail right on the head. Though this is hardly the place for discussing it, I did see a rather old documentry called "Chariots of the Gods". I have been trying to locate it but no video stores carry it. I might have to purchase it through the internet. Anyway this film gives some really startling evidence that the earth may have been visited by aliens in prehistoric times. This showed some actual cave paintings and artwork in ancient tombs showing what appears to be space crafts. Perhaps the most amazing discovery of all is this landing strip in northern Chile. Visible only from the air, this is a straight line on a level surface and was possibly used as a landing field for aircraft.

Originally posted by Criminal

Thats hitting the nail right on the head. Though this is hardly the place for discussing it, I did see a rather old documentry called "Chariots of the Gods". I have been trying to locate it but no video stores carry it. I might have to purchase it through the internet. Anyway this film gives some really startling evidence that the earth may have been visited by aliens in prehistoric times. This showed some actual cave paintings and artwork in ancient tombs showing what appears to be space crafts. Perhaps the most amazing discovery of all is this landing strip in northern Chile. Visible only from the air, this is a straight line on a level surface and was possibly used as a landing field for aircraft.


Ahh.. Your beginning to see the light..;)

I would like to find this video myself..

SOUTH AMERICA?

Let us assume that the civilization of Atlantis was real and flourished (this could be explained by purer genetic traits, higher spiritual awareness or simply due to a perfect environment). This great nation surely would be the people who were travelling and educating others. However, a lot of the Central and South American peoples claim to have been visited by a God (called Thunapa, Kontiki, Votan, Viracocha, or Quetzalcoatl) who taught them many things. At Tiahuanaco, there is an image of this God: Straight nose. Round eyes. Bearded with a moustache, obviously not the current native peoples. Since the God is said to have arrived after the 'darkening of the Sun', this could correspond with Atlanteans seeking refuge after the destruction of Atlantis.


The Cloud People

The Spanish chronicles contain many myths about the Incas. In the 1480's an Inca emperor conquered seven great cities in the cloud forests. The people, the Chachapoyas, were said to be tall, fair and have blue eyes. The explorer Gene Savoy has over the past thirty years rediscovered six cities hidden within the cloud forest, whose culture is distinct from the Incas. The largest of these is the Fortress of Kuelap, built with 2.5 times as much stone as the Great Pyramid of Giza.

One design commonly found in the ruins is remarkably similar to the Babylonian motif for a ship. Gene Savoy is certain that ships were navigated along the Amazon and were capable of reaching Europe and Asia. This indicates contact was likely between South America and cultures such as the Egyptians and Mesopotamians. So far, historians deny the possibility of the existence of a white, blue eyed race in South America. But, in 1997 a cliff-top tomb was discovered in the cloud forest, bearing the typical red colouring and zigzag frieze of the chachapoya. A Peruvian archaeologist, Sonia Guilles, subsequently studied the tomb. Over 200 mummified bodies were found, bearing faces stitched onto the cloth. Like Egyptian mummies these had no internal organs, and were embalmed, helping to preserve them from the high humidity of the cloud forest. The average height of the adult bodies was estimated to be 5 foot 10 inches, making them quite tall for ancient man.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger



Ahh.. Your beginning to see the light..;)

I would like to find this video myself..


I saw video of the 'landing strip' AGES ago on Unsolved Mysteries or something like that... Looked fairly convincing:eek:

Some think the Aztec "god" you're referring to was Jesus come to preach to the "other sheep" that he mentioned in the Bible before departing, TheMan.

Thursday December 6 11:13 AM ET
Explorers View 'Lost City' Ruins Under Caribbean
By Andrew Cawthorne

HAVANA (Reuters) - Explorers using a miniature submarine to probe the sea floor off the coast of Cuba said on Thursday they had confirmed the discovery of stone structures deep below the ocean surface that may have been built by an unknown human civilization thousands of years ago.

Researchers with a Canadian exploration company said they filmed over the summer ruins of a possible submerged ``lost city'' off the Guanahacabibes Peninsula on the Caribbean island's western tip. The researchers cautioned that they did not fully understand the nature of their find and planned to return in January for further analysis, the expedition leader said on Thursday.

The explorers said they believed the mysterious structures, discovered at the astounding depth of around 2,100 feet and laid out like an urban area, could have been built at least 6,000 years ago. That would be about 1,500 years earlier than the great Giza pyramids of Egypt.

``It's a really wonderful structure which looks like it could have been a large urban center,'' said Soviet-born Canadian ocean engineer Paulina Zelitsky, from British Columbia-based Advanced Digital Communications (ADC).

``However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence,'' Zelitsky told Reuters.

Zelitsky said the structures may have been built by unknown people when the current sea-floor actually was above the surface. She said volcanic activity may explain how the site ended up at great depths below the Caribbean Sea.

In July 2000, ADC researchers using sophisticated side-scan sonar equipment identified a large underwater plateau with clear images of symmetrically organized stone structures that looked like an urban development partly covered by sand. From above, the shapes resembled pyramids, roads and buildings, they said.

``ULISES'' ASSISTS UNDERWATER ODYSSEY

This past July, ADC researchers, along with the firm's Cuban partner and experts from the Cuban Academy of Sciences, returned to the site in their ship ``Ulises.'' They said they sent a miniature, unmanned submarine called a Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) down to film parts of the 7.7-square-mile area.

Those images confirmed the presence of huge, smooth, cut granite-like blocks in perpendicular and circular formations, some in pyramid shapes, the researchers said. Most of the blocks, measuring between about 6.5 and 16 feet in length, were exposed, some stacked one on another, the researchers said.

Others were covered in sediment and the fine, white sand that characterizes the area, the researchers said.

The intriguing discovery provided evidence that Cuba at one time was joined to mainland Latin America via a strip of land from the Yucatan Peninsula, the researchers said.

``There are many new hypotheses about land movement and colonialization, and what we are seeing here should provide very interesting new information,'' Zelitsky said.

ADC's deep-water equipment includes a satellite-integrated ocean bottom positioning system, high-precision side-scan double-frequency sonar, and the ROV. The company currently is commissioning what it calls the world's first custom-designed ocean excavator for marine archeology to begin work both at the Guanahacabibes site and at ship wrecks.

ADC is the deepest operator among four foreign firms working in joint venture with President Fidel Castro (news - web sites)'s government to explore Cuban waters containing hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the colonial era.

The Canadian company already has discovered several historic sunken Spanish ships.

In an earlier high-profile find, ADC was testing equipment in late 2000 off Havana Bay when it spotted the century-old wreck of the American battleship USS Maine. The ship had not been located since it blew up mysteriously in 1898, killing 260 American sailors and igniting the Spanish-American War.

The rush of interest in Cuba's seas in recent years is due in part to the Castro government's recognition that it does not have the money or technology to carry out systematic exploration by itself, although it does have excellent divers.

American companies are prohibited from operating in Cuba by the long-running U.S. embargo on the Communist-run island.

....For Cayce's reading regarding Atlantis check following link:

http://all-ez.com/atlantis1.htm

For interesting information about ancient civilizations.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/default.htm

Originally posted by Snouter


The rush of interest in Cuba's seas in recent years is due in part to the Castro government's recognition that it does not have the money or technology to carry out systematic exploration by itself, although it does have excellent divers.

American companies are prohibited from operating in Cuba by the long-running U.S. embargo on the Communist-run island.

....For Cayce's reading regarding Atlantis check following link:

http://all-ez.com/atlantis1.htm

For interesting information about ancient civilizations.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/default.htm

Sounds like more politics interfering with scholorship. Its such a damm shame.

Yes the relationship the US government has with Cuban government is bizarre.

What would be controverisal also is the exploration of the USS Maine that they discovered which was alledgedly blown up by the Spanish. "Remember the Maine" was the battle cry similar to "Pearl Harbor" and other tradgedies that seemingly could easily have been avoided.

On March 28, 1898, the United States Naval Court of Inquiry found that the Maine was destroyed by a submerged mine. Although blame was never formally placed on the Spanish, implication was clear. Recent research suggests that the explosion may have been an accident, involving a spontaneous combustion fire in the coal bunker. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that sensational journalist William Randolph Hearst may have set the explosion in order to precipitate a war. While historians will never know exactly what happened the night the Maine went down, it is clear that the incident was a significant force that propelled the United States into the Spanish-American War.

I, for one, have a belief in the existence of Atlantis. So, I thought I'd add my two cents.
Originally posted by Shadowhawk
I think Atlantis was likely very real... To me it's more a question of how much about it is fact and how much is fantasy.[/b]
This is the question that I have. Throughout history, Atlantis has been our maleable utopia. I believe that humanity has exploited a story of an, ancient, lost world and embellished it to the point of fairytale.
Originally posted by Snouter
On an old Unsolved Mysterious type show that Leonard Nimoy (Spock) hosted, there were various theories about Atlantis, one being that it might be Antarctica. That Psychic Edgar Cayce also described Atlantis and a particular location which upon investigation revealed those giant carved stones in the Caribbean waters.
The show was called In Search Of. I used to watch reruns every summer. I like the Antarctica theory. As far as I know that theory is still alive today. As far as Cayce: I think a lot of his readings were dead on. The guy had a gift. But once again, he was competing with a lot of other spiritualists and mediums of his time. His motives for embellishing an already irresistable story were there. He predicted that there would be signs of Atlantis found off of the coast of Bimini. "The Bimini Wall" as it has come to be known has been (nearly) proven to be a naturally occuring erosional feature caused by the waxing and waning of the tide over centuries. These features have been known to exist by the locals and Cayce used this landmark to make his predictions founded in stone (pun).
Originally posted by Shadowhawk regarding "Chariots of The Gods"I would like to find this video myself..[/b]
Here you go (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6301599411/qid=1018510059/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_3_4/002-6237364-4291259)

Regarding the "Lost City Ruins Under Carribean" article: Snouter, last I heard, those structures were determined to be that of an Olmec mini-port accessable when small landbridges connected the islands to the mainland. I'll see if I can dig up some articles on that for this thread.

Now for the theory I subscribe to:
In July 1995 Jim Allen travelled to the Bolivian Andes. He formulated this theory long before his trip, but the evidence he found furthering his theory has shed a new light on Atlantis. Furthermore, it ties into Criminal's previous post regarding the "landing strip" in South America, and quite possibly even CA's aliens :).
This theory is centered around the Altiplano, a plateau that sits between two ranges of the Andes. There, Jim Allen, drove out into the desert to look for possible remains of an ancient canal which might confirm the location as being the site of Plato’s Atlantis. He found the remains of an enormous channel which reminded him of Plato’s description of an irrigation channel that existed at Atlantis. According to Plato the width of the channel was 184 metres, the exact width of the Altiplano's prehistoric channel. :eek: Coincidence?....I think not.

A few years before his 1995 expedition, Jim Allen had conducted a simple study of the origins of ancient systems of measurement. Plato’s description of Atlantis’ extent, of its rectangular-shaped plain enclosed by mountains and of its fall took grabbed his attention. He didn't exactly support that an island as large as Libya and Asia combined could have sunk into the sea in just one night and day. For most Atlantis critics this is there strongest leg.

So Allen wondered if Atlantis might have been South America and if the rectangular-shaped plain described by Plato lay somewhere in that continent. The shape of the Altiplano almost fits the description if one takes South America to be an island which it almost is (given the distance it has traveled from Pangean era geology due to continental drift). Furthermore, an Atlantean city as described by Plato would have been "layed out" in a manner similar to a city-state. Allen constructed a topographical model of the region. The 4000 metre contour encloses the whole rectangular-shaped Altiplano. Thus making the Altiplano the largest, natural made, level plain in the world. This caused Allen to believe that this level plain was developed and graded by something other than nature.

The Altiplano corresponds to Plato’s description of a plain that "borders on the sea" (the Pacific) and "extends through the centre of the whole island". It is "enclosed by mountains" so that, according to Plato's text, the region rose sheerly out of the sea and only the part about the city was a smooth plain. Allen imagined that it was not the whole island Atlantis that sank into the sea but only its main city.
Geographical Magazine, March 1997, Vol. 69, Issue 3, p. 44
"What if it was not the island continent of Atlantis that sank into the sea as Plato believed, but only the island city of Atlantis, built around the lava rings of an extinct or dormant volcano, which sank beneath an island sea, or what is now Lake Poopo?"

All the metals which the people of Atlantis needed for their buildings, according to Plato, are found around Lake Poopo. Gold and copper mines still exist in or about the Altiplano and Lake Poopo.
From December to March is the wet season when the altiplano gets flooded. Drought conditions for the rest of the year are in the south of the Altiplano. To construct a perimeter canal, like the one Plato described, would have been feasible to the inhabitants of this ancient city. The perimeter canal Plato mentioned would drain water away during the wet season and store it for irrigation during the dry periods. The Altiplano is described to be an enclosed basin and therefore a period of torrential rain could, in theory, produce within it an inland sea or sorts. Allen noticed that if you re-examine Plato’s statement about the end of Atlantis, a period of torrential rain is described as a result of earthquakes and floods, "in a single day and night of rain". The Altiplano is an area prone to earthquakes caused by the shifting of subterranean plates.
Redfield's Wrap Up: The suggested end of Atlantis, in Plato’s view, was around 9600 B. C. At that time, the Altiplano was indeed flooded. Geological and sedimentary calling cards have left their marks. But it may also be that the end took place at a time when the confederation of Atlantis was engaged in a war against Egypt. It is possible that the story of Atlantis came from one of these people who were taken prisoners after the war, and was handed on by temple priests to the visiting Greek statesman Solon. The rest, as they say, is history.

As opposed to the Minoan, Atlantic, and Bimini Theories, I believe that Allen's Altiplano Theory holds the most water (pun).

For Jim Allen's book, click here. (http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y2547669Y8631099/qid=1018513223/sr=1-1/002-6237364-4291259)
I admit that I'm a "conspiracy nut", but I really do have a life...really.

I for one am glad you dug this one up. Its an oldie but goodie. Those were some interesting ideas.

Art Bell talks about it all the time.. Said they found a city off the coast of Cuba (I think someone else posted it)

He also finds it amusing that Nat. Geographic wants to do a story on it as a breaking story, when he and his listeners have been talking about it for a year or so now

D'OH!

In the fifteen hundreds there was a map descovered by the Portuguese of the ancient southern land (Antarctica). This map, made before Antarctica was rediscovered in modern times shows an Antarctica with rivers and without ice cap. Is it possible that many thousands of years ago Antarctica was infact Atlantis, that a sudden tectonic movement shifted the continent, destroying the infrastructure of a great civilization? There is eveidence of a great world-wide civilization. In most cultures there is talk of great floods and god- like creatures from above. Maybe humans are infact visitors to this planet, and ancient Egypt was a continuation of the dwindling Atlantis. Don't be fooled and think that ice ages take a long time to come about. There was a mini ice-age in the 1100's. Perhaps Antarctica/ Atlantis is quickly coming out of it's and the secret of Atlantis will be unthawed.

I've read of this theory before. It involves the process of ECD (Earth crust displacement) and an Egyptian map of Antarctiva.

I think it may be possible. I will post later with any web-based info I can find on this.