White supremists contantly lie about Africa, it is now knowledge that the black Africans of Kush and Nubia were smelting iron over 6,000 years ago, and Kush and Nubia when straight from the stone age to the iron age, skipping the bronze age. All the so-called "facts" of white supremists is nothing more than the fiction resulted by first impressions of visitors to Africa who never studied African history.

Also another lie is that Jews are not semetic. The earliest drawing of the semetic hebrew people were of brown-skinned people entering Egypt to trade and then they were enslaved. And even though the 9,000 member Khazar Empire converted to Judaism, the Khazars themselves were semetic, the Khazars being arabic-semetic. Jewish skin is yellowish-greyish white (majority of Ashkenazic jews), compared to the palish pinkish-white skin of the Caucasian.

Also one thing they should know, it that no one is 100% pure Caucasian, unless they have clear blue eyes, bright blonde hair, and very pale pinkish-skin.

Another thing is about the Roman Empire. White supremists speak of pride of the Roman Empire not knowing that the Romans constantly battled with the Germanic and Asiatic warriors who fought side by side against the Romans, and also the Asiatics/Jews had a working relationship between the Saxons, Angles and Jutes of Britian now known as Anglo-Saxon British.

Another lie of racists is that "Pharisee" means Jew. It does not mean jew. "Pharisee" means teacher, like Rabbi, the Pharisee's were the Teachers of Judea, not just any jew, the Essens who created Christianity were all Jews. And I suggest reading "The Jesus Puzzle" which can be bought on Amazon.com, which disproves the existence of Jesus Christ.

Races of humanity

Caucasian (Nordic European)

Mongoloid (Semetic/Jew/Arab/Asiatic. Native North/Central/South American, Asian, Oriental)

******* (Black African)


Also about the Irish, I believe Bob Quinn disproved again that the Irish are pure white, there is much evidence for this. First of all, West Irish music sounds excatly like African music according to scholars of music, the Celts were described as being "tall and blonde" yet most Irish are dark haired or redheaded, and short, and also another thing is that St. Patrick never existed, the first Christians in Ireland were Gnostics from North Africa, and an example of this ethnic conflict was a sword found in Ireland with the arabic inprint of "in the name of Allah". The "white" Moors (100% Arabic) were in fighting in Ireland at that time.

Also it is complete knowledge that the Black Moors (50% Arabic, and 50% Negro) invaded Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Macedonia, Albania and Southern France, and those people cannot either be classified as "100% white" as can't anyone who isn't part of Hitler's grand race.

Also I hate racism because it attacks the individual, the individual thrives on self-choice and not on the herd's choice or following the bandwagon. I care not about my great descendants I care only about me, me personally.

Those who practice racism must have a lack of self-confidence, how it is "I can't think of any reason to get up in the morning. My life is worthless, Hey! I can either follow up with the herd and worship an imaginary kind deity, or I can care about my great great descendants". I'm sure the bacteria in the ocean or the space dust didn't care about what it will be part of in the next billion years, it cared for itself.

You're coming on as strongly as any WN I've seen post here. Try to go easy on attacking entire groups of people at once. You're outnumbered by default.

I have to agree about the lies of white supremacists, but man you've got to get your facts straight.

Originally posted by debaterdebater
Races of humanity

Caucasian (Nordic European)

Mongoloid (Semetic/Jew/Arab/Asiatic. Native North/Central/South American, Asian, Oriental)

******* (Black African)


Well at least you agree that jews are not White.


Those who practice racism must have a lack of self-confidence, how it is "I can't think of any reason to get up in the morning. My life is worthless, Hey! I can either follow up with the herd and worship an imaginary kind deity, or I can care about my great great descendants". I'm sure the bacteria in the ocean or the space dust didn't care about what it will be part of in the next billion years, it cared for itself.

Well, no, WNs are anything but members of the unthinking herds of sheeple.

Most animals only live by instict for the here and now. Humans have the mental capacity to think beyond that. That is part of why we are the dominant species on this planet. We can think ahead beyond the next meal.

White supremists [SIC] contantly [SIC] lie about Africa

This is an example of the logical fallacy known as the Straw Man, inventing your opponents case and thus attacking a misrepresentation. This is just one example of the bankrupted and murky thinking of the egalitarians.

it is now knowledge that the black Africans of Kush and Nubia were smelting iron over 6,000 years ago. and Kush and Nubia when straight from the stone age to the iron age, skipping the bronze age

Logical Fallacy: Anonymous Authority.

All the so-called "facts" of white supremists [SIC] is nothing more than the fiction resulted by first impressions of visitors to Africa who never studied African history.

Another Straw Man.

Also another lie is that Jews are not semetic.

Judaism is a religion not a “race” in the materialistic sense and there are observable genetic differences between Jewish populations.

The earliest drawing of the semetic hebrew people were of brown-skinned people entering Egypt to trade and then they were enslaved.

Seven percent (7%) of Ashkenazi Jewish Y-chromosomes are "Asian" (presumably Mongoloid), and "sub-Saharan" (*******) Y-chromosomes are also detected among Jews, in low frequencies.

And even though the 9,000 member Khazar Empire converted to Judaism, the Khazars themselves were semetic, the Khazars being arabic-semetic.

I see you are equivocating a linguistics with racial anthropology now, this is getting ever the more amusing.

Jewish skin is yellowish-greyish white (majority of Ashkenazic jews), compared to the palish pinkish-white skin of the Caucasian.

This is another example of the Straw Man, it is argued by the White Nationalists that the Jews ARE NOT Europeans, although this canard is commonly touted by illiterates.

Also one thing they should know, it that no one is 100% pure Caucasian unless they have clear blue eyes, bright blonde hair, and very pale pinkish-skin.

Why are you attacking the Straw Man of the “pure” race?

Another thing is about the Roman Empire.

What about the Roman Empire?


White supremists speak of pride of the Roman Empire not knowing that the Romans constantly battled with the Germanic and Asiatic warriors who fought side by side against the Romans

Who were the “Asiatic Warriors” who fought side by side with the Germanic peoples against the Romans? What battle was this?

and also the Asiatics/Jews had a working relationship between the Saxons, Angles and Jutes of Britian now known as Anglo-Saxon British.

Logical Fallacy: Anonymous Authority.

Another lie of racists is that "Pharisee" means Jew. It does not mean jew. "Pharisee" means teacher, like Rabbi, the Pharisee's were the Teachers of Judea, not just any jew, the Essens who created Christianity were all Jews.

Why are you equating “racists” with “Christianity” now? Who are you addressing now once again? Which specific individuals?

And I suggest reading "The Jesus Puzzle" which can be bought on Amazon.com, which disproves the existence of Jesus Christ.

Link.

Races of humanity Caucasian (Nordic European)

ROFL. Nordics are a Caucasian sub-race.

Mongoloid (Semetic/Jew/Arab/Asiatic. Native North/Central/South American, Asian, Oriental)

ROFL Semites are classified as Caucasians by most anthropologists. Many Latin Americans are Mestizos.

******* (Black African)

There are several black races, Negroes being just one of them. Black does not equal ******* at all. GG m8 on embarrassing yourself.

Also about the Irish, I believe Bob Quinn disproved again that the Irish are pure white, there is much evidence for this.

There is no such thing as a pure race, that is a Straw Man.

First of all, West Irish music sounds excatly like African music according to scholars of music

Logical Fallacy: Anonymous Authority

the Celts were described as being "tall and blonde"

Who described them? Which anthropologist?

yet most Irish are dark haired or redheaded

Logical Fallacy: Anonymous Authority

and short, and also another thing is that St. Patrick never existed

What does “St. Patrick” have to do with race? Do Leprechauns exist?

the first Christians in Ireland were Gnostics from North Africa

Evidence?

and an example of this ethnic conflict was a sword found in Ireland with the arabic inprint of "in the name of Allah"

Non Sequitur.

The "white" Moors (100% Arabic) were in fighting in Ireland at that time.

Evidence?

Also it is complete knowledge that the Black Moors (50% Arabic, and 50% Negro) invaded Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Macedonia, Albania and Southern France, and those people cannot either be classified as "100% white" as can't anyone who isn't part of Hitler's grand race.

The Moors invaded Greece, Macedonia, Albania? That is all new to me. ROFL the Moors were ½ black? The ******* paternal contribution in North Africa is much smaller: one study determined (http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v67n6/002082/002082.tb1.html) 4% or 5% of North African Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan haplography. Mediterraneans are not half Negroes that is ridiculous. Do you even know the first thing about genetics, history, or anthropology?

Also I hate racism because it attacks the individual

The individual is a member of a race just like the individual is a member of any other super personal form of organization whether it be a basketball team, a believer in a religion, or a citizen of a nation. “Racism” does not attack any individual - it affirms him.


the individual thrives on self-choice and not on the herd's choice or following the bandwagon.

I see no difference whatsoever between being proud of one’s race and being proud of one’s nation. Race is nothing more than an extended family. You are attacking a straw man that there is some dichotomy between “race” and “individual.”

I care not about my great descendants I care only about me, me personally.

What should this be called? Familialism? Is not the belief in a family an attack on the individual :rolleyes:

Those who practice racism must have a lack of self-confidence

Another Non Sequitur. Race is a form of super personal organization like any other. Restated: Those who practice patriotism lack self-confidence :rolleyes:

how it is "I can't think of any reason to get up in the morning. My life is worthless, Hey!

Ad Hominem

I can either follow up with the herd and worship an imaginary kind deity, or I can care about my great great descendants".

ROFL the individual is not an isolated differentiated unit. There is no dichotomy between the individual and the participation of an individual in an organization. That is ridiculous.

I'm sure the bacteria in the ocean or the space dust didn't care about what it will be part of in the next billion years, it cared for itself.

I do not follow that form of bankrupted ethics personally.

Hey man. While glad to see someone anti racist making a thread, PLease try and not post such rambling confusing posts up man. It just makes ya look strange as all get out. And coming off just as pompus as many of the WN's act does no one any good.

Originally posted by debaterdebater
White supremists contantly lie about Africa, it is now knowledge that the black Africans of Kush and Nubia were smelting iron over 6,000 years ago, and Kush and Nubia when straight from the stone age to the iron age, skipping the bronze age. All the so-called "facts" of white supremists is nothing more than the fiction resulted by first impressions of visitors to Africa who never studied African history.

What you say about Africa certainly is true. Africa is the cradle of several civilizations. I found all kinds of informaion on this. The existance of African civilization is even attested to in the Bible. Remember the Queen of Shaba? She was a Kus*ite. The Land of Punt was a region known to Phoenicians and Greeks. In the future I plan on posting more on such civilizations but I think I did enough damage for one evening!:)

Fade - Good job picking up fallacious arguments. Bad job arguing. And you really, really reached to label any of his posts with the straw man fallacy. I also see that you to rely on unsourced claims. Anonymous authority, did you call it?

Pot. Kettle. Black. Black.

The only conclusion that can be reached as a result of reading this board is that racists are in fact smarter than your average bear.

Fact: all humans come from Africa.

Fact: The Ostrogoths fought on the side of the Huns ( Huong-Na or revolted slaves) til the defeat of Attila.

Fact: all humans come from Africa.

This is not a fact at all, for I can at least testify as never having personally been there. I am sure most other "humans" on this board have never been to Africa either. To be honest, there is not much of interest there except Safari. The "Species-ists" amuse me sometimes. Did you know life most likely originated in the ocean and that was most likely not in Africa?

Fact: The Ostrogoths fought on the side of the Huns ( Huong-Na or revolted slaves) til the defeat of Attila.

I do not understand why "Asiatic" is equated with non-Caucausian.

You're being facetious about evolution and why mongoloid people are not caucausoid? HUH? Restate that last statement, please don't go off about the scythians, Herotodus was high.

Homo sapiens appears likely to have first evolved in Africa...clear enough for you, Fade?

Yes, Joey, but do we keep the ball rolling, or turn the human species into a dead end-allopatric speciation, how we became human in the first place, began with a more ''human'' race/group becoming reproductively isolated from an earlier branch. Out of Africa theory clearly states that Africans were ther first humans, and thus, the oldest branch. Nothing hateful about that, it is simply the fact of the matter. Perhaps if Africans remain genetically seperate to others, perhaps it will be they who speciate first, who knows, i am simply on the side of increasing diversity, not ending it.

Whereas I'm on the side of letting people do what they; free to mate with whoever they please.

We evolve to adapt to our environments, over a very, very slow timescale. Currently, I would state that human evolution has quitre possibly reached a pause, as we now have the power to alter our environments to fit us.

Also, to say that as humanity first evolved in Africa the Africans are the least evolved is to deny that they too have evolved - albeit very, very sluightly - since homo sapiens first developed.

Again the "Pharisees" meant Jewish authorities, the Pharisees were the Teachers, the Rabbis, and the authorities of Judah, not the common Jews as the white supremists claim.

When the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Asiatics of England procreated together after the Roman Empire fell, and the Romans retreated out of England in 470 C.E. (Common Era), a few centuries later, England became a very powerful kingdom of Europe, and it wouldn't be without racial intermixing.

When the Germanic warriors and the Asiatic warriors saw that the Romans were defeated, the Asiatic warriors (Including Huns) procreated together with the Germanics, and a few centuries later, Germany too became a very powerful kingdom of Europe, with much racial intermixing.


Interracial breeding is benefical. It helps to completely avoid inbreeding, (procreating with close blood relatives), because procreating with close blood relatives leads that the defective genes of both the male and the female come out full force, while the benefical genes are too similiar and a "mutation" an extremely unhealthy person is the result of close blood relative breeding, with cloning is an extreme example, such as the cloned sheep. Examples of great empires thanks to racial intermixing was England and Germany, and Egypt thanks to inbreeding (close blood relative procreation) fell, as the drawing of the period of the last pharoahs resembled sloped features and drooping limbs which is known to be the result of extreme inbreeding, and thats why Racial Intermixing is very important and wise to do.

Also believe in aliens is like believe in God, and the fact is Great Claims need Great Evidence, however in the case of aliens and God, there is not even a shred of tangible evidence to proof the theories. Therefore, any ridiculous theories are of equal possibility, the more common lies are just as untrue as the unpopular lies.

Some alien/God theories can be mind-broadening and even enlightening, like Dante's Inferno. However, given that 99% of the God/alien theories are modernly spoken of by rednecks, white trash and hicks it's again repeative stupidity.

The fact is the white supremists have the same motto of the Israeli Mossad. "By way of deception thou shalt do war". Not only that but crazy white supremists with their first impression beliefs also believe Jews are smarter than they are. If "white pride" claims that whites are smarter than non-whites, then the utter hyprocrisy of the whole white racist "movement" is completely evident. Only one whos perseption of reality is demented, would strive for or die for "white power". Yeah right. There should be another race added, Caucasians, Mongoloids, *******s, and Stupid People.

PS. I believed I was dealing with persons familiar with history, I guess not, it's just that all "my racist brother may not always be right, but he's still my racist brother.". It's just the way it is, ignorance is much more common than intellegence. After all the Romans viewed the British, Germanic and Asiatics as all uncivilized and unclean people.

Another thing, you believe one who has mixed blood is bi-racial? Well the so-called "Mediterreans" are mixed blood with the Black Moors (50% Arab and 50% Negro), any competent history book shows. So that leaves just the minority Alpines, and Nordics as "Caucasian" unless you wish to include bi-racials in the white race, well then it could be claimed from that point of view that the Semetic Jews are also white, after all, Jews are bi-racial just like the "Meditterean Europeans". White supremists just write of as "zog lies" and believe white people either came from the north polar or outer space, and as for the "White" Moors who were 100% Arab and invaded Ireland, check Bob Quinn's studies you will be quite suprized.

Well for one thing, I am glad I live in a country where white racism is prosecuted and something is done about it, racist rallies are illegal, where anti-semetism and racist comments are looked under investigation by police, where racist web-sites cannot operate on the national servers. Canada, maybe sacrificing the majority of gun-ownership may be worth not having the white racists, alien and god nutcase hicks, and the situation of church and state like in America (under God).

You are glad in the same sense nazis were glad jews were being sent to their deaths. Enforce it, how could we ever be fascists?

You are glad in the same sense nazis were glad jews were being sent to their deaths. Enforce it, how could we ever be fascists?

Your claim has absolutely no validity. I am not a fascist, in fact I would gladly move to another country, where there was not REAL FACISTS like in USA and Germany. Nobody is sent to their deaths for racism in Canada, Canada has no death penalty. I support freedom of speech to the full extent, however, in Canada, freedom of speech is limited and understandably so, so that ethnic groups don't have to live with the same bigotry that they had to deal with and survive through in other lands. Funny thing is, that you compare people's right to live comfortably without ethnic perjudice (jewish-canadians, and canadian laws regarding anti-semetism), as the same as murdering an entire group of people? That isn't abortion, abortion is a fetus that you are protecting not a fully alive human being such as those in the death camps. How typical of the American mentality, comparing mild annoyance to utter genocide and disregard of human rights. Long live interracial pornography!

Originally posted by Noddy
The only conclusion that can be reached as a result of reading this board is that racists are in fact smarter than your average bear. But much less intelligent than your average human? Yes, I agree....:D

A real conclusion reading this line of posts is that racists thrive on ignorance and ignorance is not something difficult to obtain like vital knowledge is. I see those who claim to know "facts" yet know so little I would be suprized if they weren't retarded. I challenge anyone to straighten out any "untruth" I stated about race, for all I written was the truth, and the truth hurts to those who thrive on ignorance.

Originally posted by debaterdebater
White supremists contantly lie about Africa, it is now knowledge that the black Africans of Kush and Nubia were smelting iron over 6,000 years ago, and Kush and Nubia when straight from the stone age to the iron age, skipping the bronze age.

This source flatly contradicts this.

http://www.rit.edu/~nrcgsh/bx/bx01a.html

What Herodotus and the Greeks referred to as Ethiopia was, in fact, the kingdom of Kush. It was located up the Nile from Egypt. As the Egyptian empire grew in strength and wealth, it strove to expand its power over its neighbors. Egypt sent several military expeditions south along the Nile to try to conquer the black people of Kush. They failed and the Ku****es, in turn, endeavored to extend their power over Egypt. In 751 B.C., Kush invaded Egypt and, shortly thereafter, conquered it. This occupation of Egypt lasted for over a hundred years, until both the Ku****es and the Egyptians were defeated by an invading army from Assyria in 666 B.C. At that point, the Ku****es returned to the safety of their homeland.

The Ku****es and the Egyptians had been defeated by a superior technology. While they were fighting with weapons made of copper and bronze, the Assyrians fought with iron. Methods of smelting and working iron had been developed centuries before by the Hittites who lived in Asia Minor. The use of iron spread across the Near East, becoming the basis for the Assyrian power. After their defeat in 666 B.C., the Ku****es and the Egyptians rapidly adopted the new iron technology. The coming of the Iron Age to Africa meant the production of better weapons and tools. Better weapons provided safety from hostile foes and protection from ferocious beasts. Better axes meant that man could live in densely forested regions where he had not been able to live before. Better farm implements meant that more food could be grown with less work, this again encouraged the development of denser population centers.

And, it is hardly a White Supremacist site, to put it mildly.

What is your source?

My source is "The Concise History Encyclopedia" and your so-called new info, talks of the years 751 BCE, my information states that archeologists found that roughly 6,000 years ago the peoples of Kush and Nubia evolved from stone age to smelting iron and used that iron in arigculture.

Note: Not all civilizations had their stone/bronze/iron ages at the same time. Kush and Nubia had it's iron age 6,000 years ago right after it's stone age. Not all civilizations are running on the same clock. The Romans developed first a Roman Republic and then with Julius Ceasar an Empire with him as the first Emperor. All the while the angles, jutes, saxons were behaving the same as the Germanics of Germania running around in tribes like the Blackfoot Native American tribes that white racists claim to be so much "superior" then.

The Moors invaded Greece, Macedonia, Albania? That is all new to me. ROFL the Moors were ½ black? The ******* paternal contribution in North Africa is much smaller: one study determined 4% or 5% of North African Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan haplography. Mediterraneans are not half Negroes that is ridiculous. Do you even know the first thing about genetics, history, or anthropology?

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Apparently you do not know history very well.

As for the MOORS:

There are two types of Moors (from Mauritania in North Africa, not just any country in North Africa)

"White" Moors (100% Arab)

Black Moors (50% Arab, 50% Negro)

Read "World Geographica 2002" and go to the page about the North African country of "Mauritania" to find out about the difference between "white" (arab) moors and "black" (half-negro) moors.

Aparently you cannot tell that the Medittereans would not be half negro, they would be 25% negro.

So fade, mathematics is not one of your strong points is it???

Originally posted by debaterdebater
My source is "The Concise History Encyclopedia" and your so-called new info, talks of the years 751 BCE, my information states that archeologists found that roughly 6,000 years ago the peoples of Kush and Nubia evolved from stone age to smelting iron and used that iron in arigculture.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0753454173/qid=1041354171/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-8897886-2168068?v=glance&s=books

The Concise History Encyclopedia
Reading level: Ages 9-12

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

However, since it may be a valid source, could you please post an exact quote from the book? Is the statement footnoted? I did a fairly extensive search, and I don't see any non Afrocentric sites that agree with this statement.

What i find quite funny is if these blacks were so advanced 6000 years ago, um, what happened? Did they destroy all their artifacts and biuldings, destroy their iron implements, and go back to throwing spears and getting chased by lions? LOL

Again the "Pharisees" meant Jewish authorities, the Pharisees were the Teachers, the Rabbis, and the authorities of Judah, not the common Jews as the white supremists claim.

Who are the White Supremacists that claim this? Another Straw Man.

When the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Asiatics of England procreated together after the Roman Empire fell

ROFL. Where is your evidence? That is the precise opposite of every genetic study I have ever seen. Do you even know what the hell you are talking about?

and the Romans retreated out of England in 470 C.E. (Common Era), a few centuries later, England became a very powerful kingdom of Europe, and it wouldn't be without racial intermixing.

"Saxons" and "Jutes" are not races LOL.

When the Germanic warriors and the Asiatic warriors saw that the Romans were defeated, the Asiatic warriors (Including Huns) procreated together with the Germanics

ROFL

and a few centuries later, Germany too became a very powerful kingdom of Europe, with much racial intermixing.

Another one of your stories, much like the ridiculous one about the Moors invading Macedonia. Spare me laughter and do not even bother to post in this forum any longer.

Interracial breeding is benefical.

LOL! Interracial breeding is ABNORMAL amongst all species. It is not "beneficial" at all.

It helps to completely avoid inbreeding, (procreating with close blood relatives), because procreating with close blood relatives leads that the defective genes of both the male and the female come out full force, while the benefical genes are too similiar and a "mutation" an extremely unhealthy person is the result of close blood relative breeding, with cloning is an extreme example, such as the cloned sheep.

This is another example of a ridiculous Straw Man. Is interbreeding with blacks with Sickle Cell Aenima beneficial in anyway whatsoever? Once again you know nothing whatsoever about genetics. Noddy give this individual a lecture.

Examples of great empires thanks to racial intermixing was England and Germany

What racial intermixing?

and Egypt thanks to inbreeding (close blood relative procreation) fell

The depth of your historical ignorance is absolutely shocking. So let me get this straight. Being overrun by the Hyskos, Assyrians, Persians, Arabs, Macedonians, and Ethiopians and mixing with them is a strength? It is close inbreeding?

as the drawing of the period of the last pharoahs resembled sloped features and drooping limbs which is known to be the result of extreme inbreeding

Drooping limbs is a sign of ******* admixture or the presence of *******s. The 25th Dynasty of Egypt was black after being overrun by the Ethiopians but you knew that.


and thats why Racial Intermixing is very important and wise to do.

LOL

Also believe in aliens is like believe in God, and the fact is Great Claims need Great Evidence

Perhaps you can provide some evidence to support your ridiculous theories and historical fallacies such as the absurd one about North African Ireland. Rosser showed that HG 1 reaches near-fixation (98.5%) in the west of Ireland. HG 1, is indicative of male Paleolithic western European ancestry. The west of Ireland has been relatively immune from invasion, a fact confirmed by genetics and hard science.

“In the personal observation table for Ireland, the localities are arranged in an ascending scale of depth of colour of hair; and it will be seen from the figures, and from the illustrative maps, that blonds are most numerous on and near the eastern coast, and brunets towards the west, whither they have been driven by successive invasions. There are a few exceptions to the rule, mostly explicable."

John Beddoe, The Races of Britain

however in the case of aliens and God, there is not even a shred of tangible evidence to proof the theories.

Where is your “tangible proof” of anything?

Therefore, any ridiculous theories are of equal possibility, the more common lies are just as untrue as the unpopular lies.

A common lie is that the “Moors” invaded Macedonia. That is ridiculous just like your claim about Ireland was shown to be false with by genetics.

Some alien/God theories can be mind-broadening and even enlightening, like Dante's Inferno. However, given that 99% of the God/alien theories are modernly spoken of by rednecks, white trash and hicks it's again repeative stupidity.

Argumentum Ad Hominem. What does “aliens” and “God” have to do with this?

The fact is the white supremists have the same motto of the Israeli Mossad. "By way of deception thou shalt do war". [/quote[

You are the one that has been shown to be making up fairy tales and stories.

[quote]Not only that but crazy white supremists [SIC] with their first impression beliefs also believe Jews are smarter than they are.

Who has claimed this? Noddy, have you claimed this? LOL

If "white pride" claims that whites are smarter than non-whites

White pride claims that white people should be proud of their race. White supremacy, a different concept, is what you are talking about. Logical Fallacy, Equivocation.

then the utter hyprocrisy of the whole white racist "movement" is completely evident.

It is easy to paint your opponent as hypocrites when you can invent their case and thus attack it - with a Straw Man.

Only one whos perseption [SIC] of reality is demented

We have shown your perception of reality to be demented. The notion that Western Irish are North Africans rather than Paleolithic Europeans is quite frankly silly.

would strive for or die for "white power". Yeah right.

White Power.

There should be another race added, Caucasians, Mongoloids, *******s, and Stupid People.

Yes, we can include you in that category for in your last post you equivocated Caucasian with Nordic, an obvious testament of your ignorance regarding race.

PS. I believed I was dealing with persons familiar with history, I guess not

Yes so did I. I for one was totally unaware of “50% black Moors” and “North African Irish” and the Moors invading Macedonia and “racial inbreeding amongst Egyptians” which was overrun by several dozen groups of foreigners. This is a history forum, not a mythology forum, and as we have demonstrated it is not the place for you.

it's just that all "my racist brother may not always be right, but he's still my racist brother."

I am a racist.

It's just the way it is, ignorance is much more common than intellegence [SIC].

It is called “intelligence” ROFL.

After all the Romans viewed the British, Germanic and Asiatics as all uncivilized and unclean people.

You are unfamiliar with Tacitus aren’t you.

Another thing, you believe one who has mixed blood is bi-racial? Well the so-called "Mediterreans" are mixed blood with the Black Moors (50% Arab and 50% Negro), any competent history book shows.

What the hell do you mean the “black Moors.” Obviously you have been reading historical fairytales once again, just as we showed you to be totally ignorant of history regarding Macedonia and Ireland. 4% or 5% of North African Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan haplography, most likely a result of importing sub-Saharan slaves. The Spanish also EXPELLED whatever remains there was of the North African population, which was Hamitic and not “black,” and it was always small, during the Christian Era along with the Jews. More about the Moors

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

So that leaves just the minority Alpines, and Nordics as "Caucasian" unless you wish to include bi-racials in the white race

No it doesn’t just leave Alpines and Nordics. Your garbage about Mediterranians being “black” is absurd and ridiculous unsupported by no evidence whatsoever.

well then it could be claimed from that point of view that the Semetic Jews are also white

Do not confuse White and Caucasian that is a fallacy.

after all, Jews are bi-racial just like the "Meditterean Europeans".

There is not such thing as “bi-racial” Mediterranians.

White supremists [SIC] just write of as "zog lies" and believe white people either came from the north polar or outer space

Who claims this?

and as for the "White" Moors who were 100% Arab and invaded Ireland, check Bob Quinn's studies you will be quite surprised [SIC]

Both Cavalli-Sforza's research and Y-chromosome analysis show that the Scottish, for example, have among the lowest levels of North African ancestry in Europe, and that all of Britain is lower in North African ancestry than all of Southern Europe, and Western Ireland even lower than that.

Further Massive Refutation of your garbage about Britain and Ireland:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v68n3/002146/002146.html

Apparently you do not know history very well.

Show me evidence that the “Moors” invaded Macedonia.

Aparently you cannot tell that the Medittereans would not be half negro, they would be 25% negro.

Your notion that Mediterranians are “25% Negro” is ridiculous and absurd and supported by no evidence whatsoever.

So fade, mathematics is not one of your strong points is it???

ROFL. I am not the one floating the ridiculous, unsupportable, and bankrupt theory that Mediterranians are “25% Negro” supported by no evidence whatsoever. I am not the one saying Greeks are part “black.” None of the 35 Greek Y chromosomes are of non-Caucasoid origin.

Apparently you do not know history very well. As for the MOORS: There are two types of Moors (from Mauritania in North Africa, not just any country in North Africa) "White" Moors (100% Arab) Black Moors (50% Arab, 50% Negro)

I just dealt with the Moors above. About the Greeks.

Greek Y-chromosomes
The most comprehensive study of Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe thus far is Rosser et al., [1]. The human Y chromosome is passed on from father to son. One can thus study one half of a population's ancestry (along the paternal line) by studying the Y-chromosome. Greek Y-chromosomes belong to haplogroups HG1, HG2, HG3, HG9, HG21 and HG26. None of the 35 Greek Y chromosomes are of non-Caucasoid origin.
A second Y-chromosome study including Greeks have also shown similar results. Helgason et al., [2] reports one HG16 sequence of North Eurasian provenance in a sample of 42 Greeks (at least 97.6% Caucasoid). To put this in perspective, eight HG16 chromosomes occur in 110 Swedes (at least 92.7% Caucasoid) and three HG16 sequences in 112 Norwegians (at least 97.3% Caucasoid) were also found. HG16 is shared by many populations ranging from Europe to Mongolia. Its origin has been placed by [7] in the Eastern range of its current geographical distribution.
A third Y-chromosome study, by Malaspina et al., [3] which included a sample of 28 continental and 83 Cretan Greeks (total sample size of 111) found no evidence of the presence of non-Caucasoid Y chromosomes in Greeks.
A fourth Y-chromosome study, by Semino et al., [4] included 76 Greeks and 20 Macedonian Greeks. One Eu6 lineage, corresponding to HG10/HG36 [5] is probably of East Asian origin. One Eu17 lineage corresponds to HG 28 which is frequent in Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent [6]. In total, admixture of 2.1% is detected (if we label HG 28 as non-Caucasoid).
A fifth Y-chromosome study, by Weale et al., [8] included 132 Greek students from Athens. The same haplogroups found in [1] were detected in this study. No non-Caucasoid chromosomes were found.
Thus, at present, in a total of five studies, in which 416 Greek males were tested, one HG16, one HG28 and one HG10/HG36 have been found, for a total of 0.7% possible non-Caucasoid contribution to the modern Greek male gene pool. No Sub-Saharan influence is detected in the modern Greek male gene pool.
Future studies with larger samples and more detailed founder analyses will allow us to obtain a better pictures of Y-chromosome variation in Greece, Europe and the world at large. At present, it appears that modern Europeans share many of the haplogroups, while there is also geographic structure in the distribution. With the exception of the Northeast corner of Europe, all other European populations have very small traces of extra-Caucasoid genetic input(a).
[1] Rosser et al. (2000) European Y-Chromosome Diversity. Am J Hum Genet 67:1526-1543
[2] Helgason et al. (2000) Ancestry of Icelandic Y Chromosomes. Am J Hum Genet 67:697-717
[3] Malaspina et al. (2000) Patterns of male-specific inter-population divergence in Europe, West Asia and North Africa. Ann Hum Genet 64:395-412
[4] Semino et al. (2000) The genetic legacy of Paleolithic Homo sapiens sapiens in Extant Europeans: A Y Chromosome Perspective
[5] Zerjal et al. (2002) Y-Chromosomal Insights into Central Asia. Am J Hum Genet 71:466-482
[6] Qamar et al. (2002) Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in Pakistan. Am J Hum Genet 70:1107-1124
[7] Zerjal et al. (1997) Genetic relationships of Asians and Northern Europeans, revealed by Y-chromosomal DNA analysis. Am J Hum Genet 60:11741183
[8] Weale et al. (2001) Armenian Y chromosome haplotypes reveal strong regional structure within a single ethno-national group. Hum Genet (2001) 109: 659-674

http://www.geocities.com/dienekesp/greeky.html

Read "World Geographica 2002" and go to the page about the North African country of "Mauritania" to find out about the difference between "white" (arab) moors and "black" (half-negro) moors.

Link me.

Well for one thing, I am glad I live in a country where white racism is prosecuted and something is done about it

I for one, am glad I actually got a real education rather than having been fed the ridiculous myths and lies you obviously have for if I were you I would be pretty embarrassed by now.

racist rallies are illegal

Ignorance.

where anti-semetism [SIC]and racist comments are looked under investigation by police

Welcome to 1984!

where racist web-sites cannot operate on the national servers.

Which country is this.

Canada, maybe sacrificing the majority of gun-ownership may be worth not having the white racists, alien and god nutcase hicks, and the situation of church and state like in America (under God).

Canada? Is that where you live? I know tons of racists in Canada.

You are glad in the same sense nazis were glad jews were being sent to their deaths. Enforce it, how could we ever be fascists?

What the Nazis did to the Jews does not bother me. Why should it?

Your claim has absolutely no validity. I am not a fascist, in fact I would gladly move to another country, where there was not REAL FACISTS like in USA and Germany.

You do not support freedom of expression or free speech. That does reek of Fascism.

Nobody is sent to their deaths for racism in Canada, Canada has no death penalty.

That is just one thing wrong with Canada.

I support freedom of speech to the full extent, however, in Canada, freedom of speech is limited and understandably so, so that ethnic groups don't have to live with the same bigotry that they had to deal with and survive through in other lands.

This is a Non Sequitur.

Funny thing is, that you compare people's right to live comfortably without ethnic perjudice (jewish-canadians, and canadian laws regarding anti-semetism), as the same as murdering an entire group of people?

It is prejudice.

That isn't abortion, abortion is a fetus that you are protecting not a fully alive human being such as those in the death camps

What about death camps? Everyone dies sometimes or another.

typical of the American mentality, comparing mild annoyance to utter genocide and disregard of human rights.

There is no such thing as any “human rights” other than in someone’s imagination. Noddy is from Australia, not the United States by the way.

Long live interracial pornography!

That is disgusting.

A real conclusion reading this line of posts is that racists thrive on ignorance and ignorance is not something difficult to obtain like vital knowledge is.

Ironweed is not a racist, he is a non-racist, and even he is laughing at your ignorance. You have displayed your ignorance with your bankrupt knowledge of history, your gross distortions and lies, your ridiculous claims supported by no evidence whatsoever. Your so-called “vital knowledge” has been shown to be half truths, non sequiturs, and out right lies.

I see those who claim to know "facts" yet know so little I would be suprized if they weren't retarded.

Your claim that Mediterranians were “25% Negro” and that the Irish were North Africans and that the Moors invaded Macedonia was shown to be ridiculous. You have no facts. The only thing you have is fairy tales and fiction. Good Going m8. Your very presence here is increasing our stock IMO.

I challenge anyone to straighten out any "untruth" I stated about race, for all I written was the truth, and the truth hurts to those who thrive on ignorance.

Challenge accepted. Your so-called truth on race has been discredited.

Do you see what is being taught to the children in school.

Do you see what is being taught to the children in school.

Yes, funny isn't it? :p

The Concise History Encyclopedia
Reading level: Ages 9-12

Why am I not surprised?

Relevent Range you have an uncanny ability to embarrass people. This is becoming quite a trend :p. Mediterrainians are 25% Negroes! I read it in a colouring book! LOL

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
Fade - Good job picking up fallacious arguments. Bad job arguing. And you really, really reached to label any of his posts with the straw man fallacy. I also see that you to rely on unsourced claims. Anonymous authority, did you call it?

Pot. Kettle. Black. Black.

Still relevant methinks. :|

Originally posted by debaterdebater
Also about the Irish, I believe Bob Quinn disproved again that the Irish are pure white, there is much evidence for this. First of all, West Irish music sounds excatly like African music according to scholars of music, the Celts were described as being "tall and blonde" yet most Irish are dark haired or redheaded, and short, and also another thing is that St. Patrick never existed, the first Christians in Ireland were Gnostics from North Africa, and an example of this ethnic conflict was a sword found in Ireland with the arabic inprint of "in the name of Allah". The "white" Moors (100% Arabic) were in fighting in Ireland at that time.


Irish people most commonly have dark blonde(light brown hair). Irish people that have black hair tend to be very pale. St. Patrick didnt exist? I assume you got this from a book entitled "how the north african gnostics brought christianity to ireland"? Written by a north african gnostic(hope this is blunt enough)? The average height of irish men is 5'8, and 5'5 of women. But in Hollywood I've seen a couple of short red haired irish people speaking like leprechauns, so maybe youre right.

Originally posted by Noddy
What i find quite funny is if these blacks were so advanced 6000 years ago, um, what happened? Did they destroy all their artifacts and biuldings, destroy their iron implements, and go back to throwing spears and getting chased by lions? LOL
Remember that about the time of the 16th and 17th centuries, Portuguese and later the British powers invaded Africa and enslaved many of the people. This led to the downful of many of the civilizations there.

Remember that about the time of the 16th and 17th centuries, Portuguese and later the British powers invaded Africa and enslaved many of the people. This led to the downful of many of the civilizations there.

Interesting. You see I was under the impression African rulers were selling Africans on the African coast that they had enslaved, just like they had been doing for centuries to the Arabs before Europeans got anywhere near Sub-Saharan Africa.

Um, Fade, methinks it was Arabs selling/enslaving blacks, wasn't it? I dont't claim to know it all, but thats what i heard.

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


This is not a fact at all, for I can at least testify as never having personally been there.


ROFL Its a sad day for science when it requires your rubber stamp of eye witness testimony before it is to be considered fact. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
Interesting. You see I was under the impression African rulers were selling Africans on the African coast that they had enslaved, just like they had been doing for centuries to the Arabs before Europeans got anywhere near Sub-Saharan Africa.

Is it your assertion that there was no such thing as a white slave trader in Africa?

Not only that but crazy white supremists [SIC] with their first impression beliefs also believe Jews are smarter than they are.
Who has claimed this? Noddy, have you claimed this?
I claimed that they were smarter than whites, although not anywhere near smarter than I am. Of course, I am neither a White Nationalist, nor a White Supremecist, nor even a White "Supremist," so if DebateDebate was referring to me with his comment, then maybe he should stick to coloring books.

Fade - Good job picking up fallacious arguments. Bad job arguing. And you really, really reached to label any of his posts with the straw man fallacy. I also see that you to rely on unsourced claims. Anonymous authority, did you call it?

Pot. Kettle. Black. Black.

Still relevant methinks

It wasn't that relevant to begin with, Joey, but at this point Fade has provided over half a dozen sources whereas DebateDebate has provided only one. Also bear in mind that Fade hasn't made half as many claims as DebateDebate. You're just sniping without paying attention or putting forth any effort - but then again, that's your entire history of posting at DA, so far as I've been here. At least in this thread you haven't misquoted yourself yet.

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